A Hibs Future

[Septimus]

Last night five of the QPR players who turned out against Newcastle had never played together before. They produced a cohesive, fast, attacking performance which was as different from the Hibs team's display on Sunday as could be imagined. No thought of "gelling". They just went out and plied their trade. Wright-Philips, who has sat on the bench for a year ran himself into the ground for his new team.

What has this to do with Hibs? Again I say our salvation lies in youth. East Mains should, by now be turning out dedicated young footballers who are well grounded in the skills of their chosen trade. Never mind who is manager of the first team. We should be looking for a man with the dedication of a Collins, a Pat Nevin or, dare I say it a Weir, to produce the future of our club. Somebody who can instill in the upcoming players that nights at the boozer are not compatible with professional football. I would suggest that the salary enjoyed by Petrie at the moment could be much better employed in paying for someone who actually produces something.

Two years ago Hanlon was being lauded as a future Scotland player but he is now being villified in this forum. Booth is rapidly going the same way. Why? These boys should either have been sold on by now to the financial benefit of the team or should be the backbone of a fine Hibs team. They are being reduced to the level of hacks who appear to have come directly from the Labour Exchange.

[LancsHibs]

Agree 100%, there appears to be something wrong right through the club. And you can add young Wothersoon to list of young talent which has gone backwards. Are the warm nights in Paphos keeping you awake or something, you need air-con, lol.

[GreenCastle]

Agreed the problem doesn't just lie with CC but the way the whole show is being run from the top downwards.

Like it or not the board have hired the wrong people for the job and the knock on effect has been negative for the last few years.

With Mowbray they got it right- by luck or not - but at least he changed the mentality around the club and put his stamp on the way things should be done.

This is not happening right now and players know they can get away with it.

The club needs to look at it's structure and look at the way areas such as the training center are run - are the coaches doing enough ? Is there someone in charge that has the right mentality and do they link well with the 1st team ?

It seems the successful teams have a structure in place that runs all the way through from youth to 1st team with the board in sync.

At Hibs it seems there are bits and pieces there for potential success but we are being managed / organised in the wrong way.

Do the people running the club realise the issue lies deeper than just CC ? They also are crucial to success and I am not sure they are the people to take the club forward - as are they getting fully evaluated from STF ?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

With east mains the spotlight is more firmly on the players development
And in youth development and rightly so
But looking back with the exception of the u know what era things have been patchy
Miller was lauded as a great coach maybe he was / became but club86 can we name the fruits of that?
Mibbie just goes to show that youth development takes time and patience and isn't necessarily the silver bullet.
And what of the impact of no reserve league ?

[Eaststand]

Agreed the problem doesn't just lie with CC but the way the whole show is being run from the top downwards.

Like it or not the board have hired the wrong people for the job and the knock on effect has been negative for the last few years.

With Mowbray they got it right- by luck or not - but at least he changed the mentality around the club and put his stamp on the way things should be done.

This is not happening right now and players know they can get away with it.

The club needs to look at it's structure and look at the way areas such as the training center are run - are the coaches doing enough ? Is there someone in charge that has the right mentality and do they link well with the 1st team ?

It seems the successful teams have a structure in place that runs all the way through from youth to 1st team with the board in sync.

At Hibs it seems there are bits and pieces there for potential success but we are being managed / organised in the wrong way.

Do the people running the club realise the issue lies deeper than just CC ? They also are crucial to success and I am not sure they are the people to take the club forward - as are they getting fully evaluated from STF ?

:top marksThe board need to wake up and realise that despite the massive changes to our playing squad, we seem to have fundamental coaching problems which result in getting consistently poor performances from our players.

A thorough root and branch review of our coaching and managerial system is needed asap

GGTTH

[truehibernian]

:top marksThe board need to wake up and realise that despite the massive changes to our playing squad, we seem to have fundamental coaching problems which result in getting consistently poor performances from our players.

A thorough root and branch review of our coaching and managerial system is needed asap

GGTTH

I keep saying it, and will continue to do so. The coaching, whilst not the greatest, is not the problem in my eyes.

For me it's the club discipline and the off field behaviour and lifestyle of players. Up here, they socialise in George Street, see themselves as 'important' and football is an 'accessory'. Like the expensive car or watch on their wrist. Hibs don't really mean anything to Palsson or Agogo, let's face it. It's a well paid job where the perks are you get ogled by women, autograph hunters and into VIP lounges in bars. Some can't even find toilets !

Yes, they want to win games. But as we see after defeats....it's straight to the pub. Literally. There is no shame in defeat. There is no 'hiding in the house for days' after being beaten by your rivals. There is no anger at a loss. Just a wee dejected walk off the pitch, a half-hearted hand clap towards the stand, and into the shower.........then a manager who comes out despite it all and says 'there were little passages of play which excited me' !!

We also have a chairman who hides behind statements. Doesn't partake in a media interview, unless on a managerial apppointment day. He has now let SL and Fyfe take the hits. Then he backtracks and meets with the previous manager for coffee to apologise. Even STF, who I have time for, doesn't face the music and is a politician when it comes to answering questions......last time I asked him a telling question his response was 'aye, but have you bought your season ticket yet' !!!

Player power rules, discipline is poor, passion has disappeared, and we have a soft board who pretend to listen but don't really react. We also have yet another 'good guy' manager whose main failing in my eyes is lack of inspiration. He is a good coach, just cannot relay it well IMHO.

Even off the field, let's have them really change the club root and branch. Ticket pricing - make it cheaper for kids, make it cheaper for walk-up's. The food they sell - let's stop the comedy of paying silly prices for a pie and get involved with local business - I quite fancy having a wee Bains mince pie with my Bovril, and if they cost me only 90p in the shop, why should I pay over £2 at Easter Road !! Hospitality packages - as was said in a previous thread, whoever is in charge of marketing needs to have a long long look in the mirror. And little things like the strip launch - the black strip was lovely agreed, but is anyone really going to go to the shop at midnight to buy it just because it is black !!! Absolutely magic for wee 5 year olds that !!

When was the last time you saw a player attend a local school for the morning, handing out little club pennants or pens. When was the last time you saw one of the board ask to jump on your supporters bus and travel to the away game with you and en route listen to the fans ?

Loads and loads of things that could be done, but won't be done. That's why it will take more than an AGM to get the club to truly act. The time is now in my opinion, to have them really deal with the on and off field problems at Hibernian - some problems which are not unique to Hibs admittedly, but we could make huge inroads now instead of being the last to react.

[Cabbage1875]

Superb post truehibernian, cannot argue with a word of that. Should forward that to the club really!

[Sudds_1]

I keep saying it, and will continue to do so. The coaching, whilst not the greatest, is not the problem in my eyes.

For me it's the club discipline and the off field behaviour and lifestyle of players. Up here, they socialise in George Street, see themselves as 'important' and football is an 'accessory'. Like the expensive car or watch on their wrist. Hibs don't really mean anything to Palsson or Agogo, let's face it. It's a well paid job where the perks are you get ogled by women, autograph hunters and into VIP lounges in bars. Some can't even find toilets !

Yes, they want to win games. But as we see after defeats....it's straight to the pub. Literally. There is no shame in defeat. There is no 'hiding in the house for days' after being beaten by your rivals. There is no anger at a loss. Just a wee dejected walk off the pitch, a half-hearted hand clap towards the stand, and into the shower.........then a manager who comes out despite it all and says 'there were little passages of play which excited me' !!

We also have a chairman who hides behind statements. Doesn't partake in a media interview, unless on a managerial apppointment day. He has now let SL and Fyfe take the hits. Then he backtracks and meets with the previous manager for coffee to apologise. Even STF, who I have time for, doesn't face the music and is a politician when it comes to answering questions......last time I asked him a telling question his response was 'aye, but have you bought your season ticket yet' !!!

Player power rules, discipline is poor, passion has disappeared, and we have a soft board who pretend to listen but don't really react. We also have yet another 'good guy' manager whose main failing in my eyes is lack of inspiration. He is a good coach, just cannot relay it well IMHO.

Even off the field, let's have them really change the club root and branch. Ticket pricing - make it cheaper for kids, make it cheaper for walk-up's. The food they sell - let's stop the comedy of paying silly prices for a pie and get involved with local business - I quite fancy having a wee Bains mince pie with my Bovril, and if they cost me only 90p in the shop, why should I pay over £2 at Easter Road !! Hospitality packages - as was said in a previous thread, whoever is in charge of marketing needs to have a long long look in the mirror. And little things like the strip launch - the black strip was lovely agreed, but is anyone really going to go to the shop at midnight to buy it just because it is black !!! Absolutely magic for wee 5 year olds that !!

When was the last time you saw a player attend a local school for the morning, handing out little club pennants or pens. When was the last time you saw one of the board ask to jump on your supporters bus and travel to the away game with you and en route listen to the fans ?

Loads and loads of things that could be done, but won't be done. That's why it will take more than an AGM to get the club to truly act. The time is now in my opinion, to have them really deal with the on and off field problems at Hibernian - some problems which are not unique to Hibs admittedly, but we could make huge inroads now instead of being the last to react.

Agree 1000%!!! send this off to Petrie now!:agree::agree:

[Nelly070]

I keep saying it, and will continue to do so. The coaching, whilst not the greatest, is not the problem in my eyes.

For me it's the club discipline and the off field behaviour and lifestyle of players. Up here, they socialise in George Street, see themselves as 'important' and football is an 'accessory'. Like the expensive car or watch on their wrist. Hibs don't really mean anything to Palsson or Agogo, let's face it. It's a well paid job where the perks are you get ogled by women, autograph hunters and into VIP lounges in bars. Some can't even find toilets !

Yes, they want to win games. But as we see after defeats....it's straight to the pub. Literally. There is no shame in defeat. There is no 'hiding in the house for days' after being beaten by your rivals. There is no anger at a loss. Just a wee dejected walk off the pitch, a half-hearted hand clap towards the stand, and into the shower.........then a manager who comes out despite it all and says 'there were little passages of play which excited me' !!

We also have a chairman who hides behind statements. Doesn't partake in a media interview, unless on a managerial apppointment day. He has now let SL and Fyfe take the hits. Then he backtracks and meets with the previous manager for coffee to apologise. Even STF, who I have time for, doesn't face the music and is a politician when it comes to answering questions......last time I asked him a telling question his response was 'aye, but have you bought your season ticket yet' !!!

Player power rules, discipline is poor, passion has disappeared, and we have a soft board who pretend to listen but don't really react. We also have yet another 'good guy' manager whose main failing in my eyes is lack of inspiration. He is a good coach, just cannot relay it well IMHO.

Even off the field, let's have them really change the club root and branch. Ticket pricing - make it cheaper for kids, make it cheaper for walk-up's. The food they sell - let's stop the comedy of paying silly prices for a pie and get involved with local business - I quite fancy having a wee Bains mince pie with my Bovril, and if they cost me only 90p in the shop, why should I pay over £2 at Easter Road !! Hospitality packages - as was said in a previous thread, whoever is in charge of marketing needs to have a long long look in the mirror. And little things like the strip launch - the black strip was lovely agreed, but is anyone really going to go to the shop at midnight to buy it just because it is black !!! Absolutely magic for wee 5 year olds that !!

When was the last time you saw a player attend a local school for the morning, handing out little club pennants or pens. When was the last time you saw one of the board ask to jump on your supporters bus and travel to the away game with you and en route listen to the fans ?

Loads and loads of things that could be done, but won't be done. That's why it will take more than an AGM to get the club to truly act. The time is now in my opinion, to have them really deal with the on and off field problems at Hibernian - some problems which are not unique to Hibs admittedly, but we could make huge inroads now instead of being the last to react.

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[Nelly070]

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What happened to the smiley ?? Bloody iPads !!

[Tricla]

I keep saying it, and will continue to do so. The coaching, whilst not the greatest, is not the problem in my eyes.

For me it's the club discipline and the off field behaviour and lifestyle of players. Up here, they socialise in George Street, see themselves as 'important' and football is an 'accessory'. Like the expensive car or watch on their wrist. Hibs don't really mean anything to Palsson or Agogo, let's face it. It's a well paid job where the perks are you get ogled by women, autograph hunters and into VIP lounges in bars. Some can't even find toilets !

Yes, they want to win games. But as we see after defeats....it's straight to the pub. Literally. There is no shame in defeat. There is no 'hiding in the house for days' after being beaten by your rivals. There is no anger at a loss. Just a wee dejected walk off the pitch, a half-hearted hand clap towards the stand, and into the shower.........then a manager who comes out despite it all and says 'there were little passages of play which excited me' !!

We also have a chairman who hides behind statements. Doesn't partake in a media interview, unless on a managerial apppointment day. He has now let SL and Fyfe take the hits. Then he backtracks and meets with the previous manager for coffee to apologise. Even STF, who I have time for, doesn't face the music and is a politician when it comes to answering questions......last time I asked him a telling question his response was 'aye, but have you bought your season ticket yet' !!!

Player power rules, discipline is poor, passion has disappeared, and we have a soft board who pretend to listen but don't really react. We also have yet another 'good guy' manager whose main failing in my eyes is lack of inspiration. He is a good coach, just cannot relay it well IMHO.

Even off the field, let's have them really change the club root and branch. Ticket pricing - make it cheaper for kids, make it cheaper for walk-up's. The food they sell - let's stop the comedy of paying silly prices for a pie and get involved with local business - I quite fancy having a wee Bains mince pie with my Bovril, and if they cost me only 90p in the shop, why should I pay over £2 at Easter Road !! Hospitality packages - as was said in a previous thread, whoever is in charge of marketing needs to have a long long look in the mirror. And little things like the strip launch - the black strip was lovely agreed, but is anyone really going to go to the shop at midnight to buy it just because it is black !!! Absolutely magic for wee 5 year olds that !!

When was the last time you saw a player attend a local school for the morning, handing out little club pennants or pens. When was the last time you saw one of the board ask to jump on your supporters bus and travel to the away game with you and en route listen to the fans ?

Loads and loads of things that could be done, but won't be done. That's why it will take more than an AGM to get the club to truly act. The time is now in my opinion, to have them really deal with the on and off field problems at Hibernian - some problems which are not unique to Hibs admittedly, but we could make huge inroads now instead of being the last to react.


:top marks

Get this sent in to the club.

[MrSmith]

:thumbsup:Off to the club with it all! :not worth

[down the slope]

Excellent post and it said everything that needs sorting and feel free to send it to the club but all you will get back is more "spin" from whoever answers that is if you get a reply at all. The board would have to eat humble pie to agree to any of this and you know that will never happen, they have their own agenda which is to look after themselves .

[persevere1875]

I keep saying it, and will continue to do so. The coaching, whilst not the greatest, is not the problem in my eyes.

For me it's the club discipline and the off field behaviour and lifestyle of players. Up here, they socialise in George Street, see themselves as 'important' and football is an 'accessory'. Like the expensive car or watch on their wrist. Hibs don't really mean anything to Palsson or Agogo, let's face it. It's a well paid job where the perks are you get ogled by women, autograph hunters and into VIP lounges in bars. Some can't even find toilets !

Yes, they want to win games. But as we see after defeats....it's straight to the pub. Literally. There is no shame in defeat. There is no 'hiding in the house for days' after being beaten by your rivals. There is no anger at a loss. Just a wee dejected walk off the pitch, a half-hearted hand clap towards the stand, and into the shower.........then a manager who comes out despite it all and says 'there were little passages of play which excited me' !!

We also have a chairman who hides behind statements. Doesn't partake in a media interview, unless on a managerial apppointment day. He has now let SL and Fyfe take the hits. Then he backtracks and meets with the previous manager for coffee to apologise. Even STF, who I have time for, doesn't face the music and is a politician when it comes to answering questions......last time I asked him a telling question his response was 'aye, but have you bought your season ticket yet' !!!

Player power rules, discipline is poor, passion has disappeared, and we have a soft board who pretend to listen but don't really react. We also have yet another 'good guy' manager whose main failing in my eyes is lack of inspiration. He is a good coach, just cannot relay it well IMHO.

Even off the field, let's have them really change the club root and branch. Ticket pricing - make it cheaper for kids, make it cheaper for walk-up's. The food they sell - let's stop the comedy of paying silly prices for a pie and get involved with local business - I quite fancy having a wee Bains mince pie with my Bovril, and if they cost me only 90p in the shop, why should I pay over £2 at Easter Road !! Hospitality packages - as was said in a previous thread, whoever is in charge of marketing needs to have a long long look in the mirror. And little things like the strip launch - the black strip was lovely agreed, but is anyone really going to go to the shop at midnight to buy it just because it is black !!! Absolutely magic for wee 5 year olds that !!

When was the last time you saw a player attend a local school for the morning, handing out little club pennants or pens. When was the last time you saw one of the board ask to jump on your supporters bus and travel to the away game with you and en route listen to the fans ?

Loads and loads of things that could be done, but won't be done. That's why it will take more than an AGM to get the club to truly act. The time is now in my opinion, to have them really deal with the on and off field problems at Hibernian - some problems which are not unique to Hibs admittedly, but we could make huge inroads now instead of being the last to react.


:agree::agree: Fire it off to them, would love to hear the response

[brydekirk]

Superb post truehibernian, cannot argue with a word of that. Should forward that to the club really! agree

[BEEJ]

I agreed with the OP. :agree:

But post #6 is a belter! :greengrin

[truehibernian]

Appreciate the comments guys. I have spoken with SL before so wouldn't expect anything more than a diplomatic, generic response from the board. More than happy for someone to send and see what they say. My guess would be that they would send back a 'cover all' e-mail saying they appreciate supporters opinions and they always take on board new ideas (whilst not actually answering each question/topic posed).

Not to say he doesn't always offer to see you and chat. Can't fault him for that I have to say. Just he (like any board member from any organisation) becomes a 'politician' and never really commits.

My last idea of having a pre-season squad training day/afternoon, open to fans and kids to watch, fell on deaf ears......seems Hibernian are a bit above what the likes of Milan, Barca and Madrid do for their supporters. :confused:

[cam2644]

I keep saying it, and will continue to do so. The coaching, whilst not the greatest, is not the problem in my eyes.

For me it's the club discipline and the off field behaviour and lifestyle of players. Up here, they socialise in George Street, see themselves as 'important' and football is an 'accessory'. Like the expensive car or watch on their wrist. Hibs don't really mean anything to Palsson or Agogo, let's face it. It's a well paid job where the perks are you get ogled by women, autograph hunters and into VIP lounges in bars. Some can't even find toilets !

Yes, they want to win games. But as we see after defeats....it's straight to the pub. Literally. There is no shame in defeat. There is no 'hiding in the house for days' after being beaten by your rivals. There is no anger at a loss. Just a wee dejected walk off the pitch, a half-hearted hand clap towards the stand, and into the shower.........then a manager who comes out despite it all and says 'there were little passages of play which excited me' !!

We also have a chairman who hides behind statements. Doesn't partake in a media interview, unless on a managerial apppointment day. He has now let SL and Fyfe take the hits. Then he backtracks and meets with the previous manager for coffee to apologise. Even STF, who I have time for, doesn't face the music and is a politician when it comes to answering questions......last time I asked him a telling question his response was 'aye, but have you bought your season ticket yet' !!!

Player power rules, discipline is poor, passion has disappeared, and we have a soft board who pretend to listen but don't really react. We also have yet another 'good guy' manager whose main failing in my eyes is lack of inspiration. He is a good coach, just cannot relay it well IMHO.

Even off the field, let's have them really change the club root and branch. Ticket pricing - make it cheaper for kids, make it cheaper for walk-up's. The food they sell - let's stop the comedy of paying silly prices for a pie and get involved with local business - I quite fancy having a wee Bains mince pie with my Bovril, and if they cost me only 90p in the shop, why should I pay over £2 at Easter Road !! Hospitality packages - as was said in a previous thread, whoever is in charge of marketing needs to have a long long look in the mirror. And little things like the strip launch - the black strip was lovely agreed, but is anyone really going to go to the shop at midnight to buy it just because it is black !!! Absolutely magic for wee 5 year olds that !!

When was the last time you saw a player attend a local school for the morning, handing out little club pennants or pens. When was the last time you saw one of the board ask to jump on your supporters bus and travel to the away game with you and en route listen to the fans ?

Loads and loads of things that could be done, but won't be done. That's why it will take more than an AGM to get the club to truly act. The time is now in my opinion, to have them really deal with the on and off field problems at Hibernian - some problems which are not unique to Hibs admittedly, but we could make huge inroads now instead of being the last to react.


Well put. With the biggest fall in gates in the SPL - the Board have to pay attention.
There are too many other attractions out there to think that lost fans will automatically return if we hit a lucky patch. The longer this goes unaddressed the more difficult it will be to ever raise the gate figures again.

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I keep saying it, and will continue to do so. The coaching, whilst not the greatest, is not the problem in my eyes.

For me it's the club discipline and the off field behaviour and lifestyle of players. Up here, they socialise in George Street, see themselves as 'important' and football is an 'accessory'. Like the expensive car or watch on their wrist. Hibs don't really mean anything to Palsson or Agogo, let's face it. It's a well paid job where the perks are you get ogled by women, autograph hunters and into VIP lounges in bars. Some can't even find toilets!

Yes, they want to win games. But as we see after defeats....it's straight to the pub. Literally. There is no shame in defeat. There is no 'hiding in the house for days' after being beaten by your rivals. There is no anger at a loss. Just a wee dejected walk off the pitch, a half-hearted hand clap towards the stand, and into the shower.........then a manager who comes out despite it all and says 'there were little passages of play which excited me' !!

We also have a chairman who hides behind statements. Doesn't partake in a media interview, unless on a managerial apppointment day. He has now let SL and Fyfe take the hits. Then he backtracks and meets with the previous manager for coffee to apologise. Even STF, who I have time for, doesn't face the music and is a politician when it comes to answering questions......last time I asked him a telling question his response was 'aye, but have you bought your season ticket yet' !!!

Player power rules, discipline is poor, passion has disappeared, and we have a soft board who pretend to listen but don't really react. We also have yet another 'good guy' manager whose main failing in my eyes is lack of inspiration. He is a good coach, just cannot relay it well IMHO.

Even off the field, let's have them really change the club root and branch. Ticket pricing - make it cheaper for kids, make it cheaper for walk-up's. The food they sell - let's stop the comedy of paying silly prices for a pie and get involved with local business - I quite fancy having a wee Bains mince pie with my Bovril, and if they cost me only 90p in the shop, why should I pay over £2 at Easter Road !! Hospitality packages - as was said in a previous thread, whoever is in charge of marketing needs to have a long long look in the mirror. And little things like the strip launch - the black strip was lovely agreed, but is anyone really going to go to the shop at midnight to buy it just because it is black!!! Absolutely magic for wee 5 year olds that!!

When was the last time you saw a player attend a local school for the morning, handing out little club pennants or pens. When was the last time you saw one of the board ask to jump on your supporters bus and travel to the away game with you and en route listen to the fans ?

Loads and loads of things that could be done, but won't be done. That's why it will take more than an AGM to get the club to truly act. The time is now in my opinion, to have them really deal with the on and off field problems at Hibernian - some problems which are not unique to Hibs admittedly, but we could make huge inroads now instead of being the last to react.


Absolutely 100% on the button.

The malaise in the club goes far beyond the dressing-room and the pitch. Can't add a word to what you've said here. :top marks

[hibsbollah]

I keep saying it, and will continue to do so. The coaching, whilst not the greatest, is not the problem in my eyes.

For me it's the club discipline and the off field behaviour and lifestyle of players. Up here, they socialise in George Street, see themselves as 'important' and football is an 'accessory'. Like the expensive car or watch on their wrist. Hibs don't really mean anything to Palsson or Agogo, let's face it. It's a well paid job where the perks are you get ogled by women, autograph hunters and into VIP lounges in bars. Some can't even find toilets !

Yes, they want to win games. But as we see after defeats....it's straight to the pub. Literally. There is no shame in defeat. There is no 'hiding in the house for days' after being beaten by your rivals. There is no anger at a loss. Just a wee dejected walk off the pitch, a half-hearted hand clap towards the stand, and into the shower.........then a manager who comes out despite it all and says 'there were little passages of play which excited me' !!

We also have a chairman who hides behind statements. Doesn't partake in a media interview, unless on a managerial apppointment day. He has now let SL and Fyfe take the hits. Then he backtracks and meets with the previous manager for coffee to apologise. Even STF, who I have time for, doesn't face the music and is a politician when it comes to answering questions......last time I asked him a telling question his response was 'aye, but have you bought your season ticket yet' !!!

Player power rules, discipline is poor, passion has disappeared, and we have a soft board who pretend to listen but don't really react. We also have yet another 'good guy' manager whose main failing in my eyes is lack of inspiration. He is a good coach, just cannot relay it well IMHO.

Even off the field, let's have them really change the club root and branch. Ticket pricing - make it cheaper for kids, make it cheaper for walk-up's. The food they sell - let's stop the comedy of paying silly prices for a pie and get involved with local business - I quite fancy having a wee Bains mince pie with my Bovril, and if they cost me only 90p in the shop, why should I pay over £2 at Easter Road !! Hospitality packages - as was said in a previous thread, whoever is in charge of marketing needs to have a long long look in the mirror. And little things like the strip launch - the black strip was lovely agreed, but is anyone really going to go to the shop at midnight to buy it just because it is black !!! Absolutely magic for wee 5 year olds that !!

When was the last time you saw a player attend a local school for the morning, handing out little club pennants or pens. When was the last time you saw one of the board ask to jump on your supporters bus and travel to the away game with you and en route listen to the fans ?

Loads and loads of things that could be done, but won't be done. That's why it will take more than an AGM to get the club to truly act. The time is now in my opinion, to have them really deal with the on and off field problems at Hibernian - some problems which are not unique to Hibs admittedly, but we could make huge inroads now instead of being the last to react.

Excellent post:not worth

The problem is, the logical conclusion to a lot of this thinking is we need a total revolution at the club from the top down. That means either the powers at be handing over the reins to someone else, or being pressurised to do so by those of us that care, ie-the fans. Does anyone really have the appetite for protest? arent we all just too cynical and weary? Maybe im just a closet fascist, but I yearn for a strong figurehead at the top of the club, who stands for no nonsense, a sort of benevolent dictator who has no time for consensus and democracy and just gets on and does things for the good of the club. A sort of Eddie Turnbull-Maggie Thatcher love-child....

On second thoughts, i may have gone too far with that last bit

:Ummm:

[Expecting Rain]

I keep saying it, and will continue to do so. The coaching, whilst not the greatest, is not the problem in my eyes.

For me it's the club discipline and the off field behaviour and lifestyle of players. Up here, they socialise in George Street, see themselves as 'important' and football is an 'accessory'. Like the expensive car or watch on their wrist. Hibs don't really mean anything to Palsson or Agogo, let's face it. It's a well paid job where the perks are you get ogled by women, autograph hunters and into VIP lounges in bars. Some can't even find toilets !

Yes, they want to win games. But as we see after defeats....it's straight to the pub. Literally. There is no shame in defeat. There is no 'hiding in the house for days' after being beaten by your rivals. There is no anger at a loss. Just a wee dejected walk off the pitch, a half-hearted hand clap towards the stand, and into the shower.........then a manager who comes out despite it all and says 'there were little passages of play which excited me' !!

We also have a chairman who hides behind statements. Doesn't partake in a media interview, unless on a managerial apppointment day. He has now let SL and Fyfe take the hits. Then he backtracks and meets with the previous manager for coffee to apologise. Even STF, who I have time for, doesn't face the music and is a politician when it comes to answering questions......last time I asked him a telling question his response was 'aye, but have you bought your season ticket yet' !!!

Player power rules, discipline is poor, passion has disappeared, and we have a soft board who pretend to listen but don't really react. We also have yet another 'good guy' manager whose main failing in my eyes is lack of inspiration. He is a good coach, just cannot relay it well IMHO.

Even off the field, let's have them really change the club root and branch. Ticket pricing - make it cheaper for kids, make it cheaper for walk-up's. The food they sell - let's stop the comedy of paying silly prices for a pie and get involved with local business - I quite fancy having a wee Bains mince pie with my Bovril, and if they cost me only 90p in the shop, why should I pay over £2 at Easter Road !! Hospitality packages - as was said in a previous thread, whoever is in charge of marketing needs to have a long long look in the mirror. And little things like the strip launch - the black strip was lovely agreed, but is anyone really going to go to the shop at midnight to buy it just because it is black !!! Absolutely magic for wee 5 year olds that !!

When was the last time you saw a player attend a local school for the morning, handing out little club pennants or pens. When was the last time you saw one of the board ask to jump on your supporters bus and travel to the away game with you and en route listen to the fans ?

Loads and loads of things that could be done, but won't be done. That's why it will take more than an AGM to get the club to truly act. The time is now in my opinion, to have them really deal with the on and off field problems at Hibernian - some problems which are not unique to Hibs admittedly, but we could make huge inroads now instead of being the last to react.

This kind of post justifies the existence of hibs.net and tells it like it is.

[Andy74]

To go back to the original post i'm not sure QPR played with cohesion beacuse they have a good youth system. As stated in the post they were mainly new players and so what is comes down to, much as the youth policy is important, is a good manager who can picke the right players to come into the club and then actually coach them into the style of play that you want to achieve.

I keep going back to mowbray's fist game in charge in the Inertoto. We'd have a couple of years of bobby and Mownray had been with the players probably les than two weeks.

It was largely the same players as the new guys hadn't really started coming in yet the style of play was immediately different and was consistentaly applied throughout his time here.

You could se from our pre season games that nothing was going to change from the turgid stuff of last year, it's just not being coached into them.

[--------]

Excellent post:not worth

The problem is, the logical conclusion to a lot of this thinking is we need a total revolution at the club from the top down. That means either the powers at be handing over the reins to someone else, or being pressurised to do so by those of us that care, ie-the fans. Does anyone really have the appetite for protest? arent we all just too cynical and weary? Maybe im just a closet fascist, but I yearn for a strong figurehead at the top of the club, who stands for no nonsense, a sort of benevolent dictator who has no time for consensus and democracy and just gets on and does things for the good of the club. A sort of Eddie Turnbull-Maggie Thatcher love-child....

On second thoughts, i may have gone too far with that last bit

:Ummm:


As long as the football club is owned by one rich man and run by the people he appoints, benevolent fascism (did I just type that? :Ummm:) is probably the only effective way to run it.

The root problem is that one man can decide how the club is run, regardless of what the people who really care (the fans) think - we saw the problem at White Hart Lane when Sugar was there, we've seen Ridsdale cause mayhem in a whole series of clubs where the fans saw what he was doing and what would result, yet were powerless to intervene.

I would like to think that the results of our games mean more to Farmer and Petrie than the bottom line of the club accounts, but hard as I try, I just can't quite do so. I really wonder if either of them fully understands that a modern training-ground and stadium are only meaningful as means to an end, the end being a successful and competitive team on the pitch.

(I don't mean whether they can grasp the idea in their minds - I mean do they feel as passionate about the end result - the team - as the fans do? Because I am totally brassed-off with Hearts supporters, Rangers supporters, Celtic supporters, Motherwell supporters, now even Airdrie and Albion Rovers supporters making fun of my team and telling me we're heading for the First, no, Second Division if we don't mend our ways. (Not least because I have the nasty feeling they're right.) When was the entertainment at Broomfield better than at ER?

When we were last relegated to Div One I wrote to our then chairman, Tom O'Malley. A long letter chiding him for his 'great adventure' remarks and expressing concern - courteous concern - over the way things were going at ER. Tom wrote back - a courteous letter in return - assuring me that he had watched Hibs as long if not longer than I had, and that he and the board were absolutely determined that our stay in Div One would be as short and as victorious as they could make it. As we know, he kept his word, as the board did theirs.

But Tom was a fan - there was never any doubt about that. Is Petrie? Is Farmer? Are they, or the board, or the manager, or his assistants, or the players, or even the ball-boys really bothered when 10 to 5 comes round and yet again Hibs have demonstrated in ghastly detail just how NOT to play top-flight football? And the players have wandered off the pitch, not really bothered, to clean up for their night on the town, to booze, snort, pose, screw around and piss up alley-ways and get lifted by the police and so besmirch the name of what was once one of the great football clubs of Europe, maybe even the world?

Truly, I'm grateful to STF for what he did 20 years ago and since. But what's going on now - ON HIS WATCH - is destroying whatever he did then.

He needs to waken up and smell the coffee - nasty and over-priced as it is at ER. He could change things if he wanted - he could buy out Petrie and shake up the board and apply genuine good-management principles to the running of the club with the aim of putting a worthy team on the pitch.

But right now, I don't think he will. I don't think he cares enough nowadays, frankly. Sitting on his hands while Hibs slide into the abyss.

[GreenCastle]

Post 6 and Post 23 :top marks

I agree the fundamentals need looked at and we all agree it's the decisions made at the top which are having a bad knock on effect.

Several of the points made in post 6 about player appearances at schools and finding that link are so important if the club wants to re-build that link with the supporters.

My worry right now is the club is sliding down hill rapidly and in this economic climate and with the standard of the SPL and Hibs charging ridiculous prices for food etc the stadium is going to continue to have bad crowds. It's going to be very hard to entice them back unless we look like we care on the pitch and the people running it show they care more off the pitch and show drastic changes.

I could maybe handle the rip off prices if the quality was good - but right now the whole product is so far from value for money. The ticket prices, the food prices, the players acting unprofessional off the pitch and add to that the quality on show at ER resembling a sunday league game - even the thickest fan can see it's dire.

[Septimus]

To go back to the original post i'm not sure QPR played with cohesion beacuse they have a good youth system. As stated in the post they were mainly new players and so what is comes down to, much as the youth policy is important, is a good manager who can picke the right players to come into the club and then actually coach them into the style of play that you want to achieve.

I keep going back to mowbray's fist game in charge in the Inertoto. We'd have a couple of years of bobby and Mownray had been with the players probably les than two weeks.

It was largely the same players as the new guys hadn't really started coming in yet the style of play was immediately different and was consistentaly applied throughout his time here.

You could se from our pre season games that nothing was going to change from the turgid stuff of last year, it's just not being coached into them.

My point was that they have the professional ability to 'gel' in their first game together. They looked as though they WANTED to win.

[silverhibee]

I keep saying it, and will continue to do so. The coaching, whilst not the greatest, is not the problem in my eyes.

For me it's the club discipline and the off field behaviour and lifestyle of players. Up here, they socialise in George Street, see themselves as 'important' and football is an 'accessory'. Like the expensive car or watch on their wrist. Hibs don't really mean anything to Palsson or Agogo, let's face it. It's a well paid job where the perks are you get ogled by women, autograph hunters and into VIP lounges in bars. Some can't even find toilets !

Yes, they want to win games. But as we see after defeats....it's straight to the pub. Literally. There is no shame in defeat. There is no 'hiding in the house for days' after being beaten by your rivals. There is no anger at a loss. Just a wee dejected walk off the pitch, a half-hearted hand clap towards the stand, and into the shower.........then a manager who comes out despite it all and says 'there were little passages of play which excited me' !!

We also have a chairman who hides behind statements. Doesn't partake in a media interview, unless on a managerial apppointment day. He has now let SL and Fyfe take the hits. Then he backtracks and meets with the previous manager for coffee to apologise. Even STF, who I have time for, doesn't face the music and is a politician when it comes to answering questions......last time I asked him a telling question his response was 'aye, but have you bought your season ticket yet' !!!

Player power rules, discipline is poor, passion has disappeared, and we have a soft board who pretend to listen but don't really react. We also have yet another 'good guy' manager whose main failing in my eyes is lack of inspiration. He is a good coach, just cannot relay it well IMHO.

Even off the field, let's have them really change the club root and branch. Ticket pricing - make it cheaper for kids, make it cheaper for walk-up's. The food they sell - let's stop the comedy of paying silly prices for a pie and get involved with local business - I quite fancy having a wee Bains mince pie with my Bovril, and if they cost me only 90p in the shop, why should I pay over £2 at Easter Road !! Hospitality packages - as was said in a previous thread, whoever is in charge of marketing needs to have a long long look in the mirror. And little things like the strip launch - the black strip was lovely agreed, but is anyone really going to go to the shop at midnight to buy it just because it is black !!! Absolutely magic for wee 5 year olds that !!

When was the last time you saw a player attend a local school for the morning, handing out little club pennants or pens. When was the last time you saw one of the board ask to jump on your supporters bus and travel to the away game with you and en route listen to the fans ?

Loads and loads of things that could be done, but won't be done. That's why it will take more than an AGM to get the club to truly act. The time is now in my opinion, to have them really deal with the on and off field problems at Hibernian - some problems which are not unique to Hibs admittedly, but we could make huge inroads now instead of being the last to react.


Top Post. You deserve a Turkish Delight for that. :thumbsup: :top marks

[Black Kyle]

Post 6 and Post 23 :top marks

I agree the fundamentals need looked at and we all agree it's the decisions made at the top which are having a bad knock on effect.

Several of the points made in post 6 about player appearances at schools and finding that link are so important if the club wants to re-build that link with the supporters.

My worry right now is the club is sliding down hill rapidly and in this economic climate and with the standard of the SPL and Hibs charging ridiculous prices for food etc the stadium is going to continue to have bad crowds. It's going to be very hard to entice them back unless we look like we care on the pitch and the people running it show they care more off the pitch and show drastic changes.

I could maybe handle the rip off prices if the quality was good - but right now the whole product is so far from value for money. The ticket prices, the food prices, the players acting unprofessional off the pitch and add to that the quality on show at ER resembling a sunday league game - even the thickest fan can see it's dire.

While I'm not that thick...others would say differently, I looked at my 14 yo son during one match last season and said 'WTF am I doing here?'

First time I've felt like that in 40 years, says it all imo.

[truehibernian]

Top Post. You deserve a Turkish Delight for that. :thumbsup: :top marks

I actually treated myself to a cheeky wee Bounty for my efforts SH......the milk chocolate one. Plain is just downright wrong ! :greengrin

[GreenCastle]

I actually treated myself to a cheeky wee Bounty for my efforts SH......the milk chocolate one. Plain is just downright wrong ! :greengrin

Did you manage to send an email to the club ?

I do know RP does read this site - hopefully they are taking notice :rolleyes:

[nortonhibby]

Superb post truehibernian, cannot argue with a word of that. Should forward that to the club really!

You dont think RP Reads our posts ? they know for sure what we are saying.:na na:

[connerg]

I keep saying it, and will continue to do so. The coaching, whilst not the greatest, is not the problem in my eyes.

For me it's the club discipline and the off field behaviour and lifestyle of players. Up here, they socialise in George Street, see themselves as 'important' and football is an 'accessory'. Like the expensive car or watch on their wrist. Hibs don't really mean anything to Palsson or Agogo, let's face it. It's a well paid job where the perks are you get ogled by women, autograph hunters and into VIP lounges in bars. Some can't even find toilets !

Yes, they want to win games. But as we see after defeats....it's straight to the pub. Literally. There is no shame in defeat. There is no 'hiding in the house for days' after being beaten by your rivals. There is no anger at a loss. Just a wee dejected walk off the pitch, a half-hearted hand clap towards the stand, and into the shower.........then a manager who comes out despite it all and says 'there were little passages of play which excited me' !!

We also have a chairman who hides behind statements. Doesn't partake in a media interview, unless on a managerial apppointment day. He has now let SL and Fyfe take the hits. Then he backtracks and meets with the previous manager for coffee to apologise. Even STF, who I have time for, doesn't face the music and is a politician when it comes to answering questions......last time I asked him a telling question his response was 'aye, but have you bought your season ticket yet' !!!

Player power rules, discipline is poor, passion has disappeared, and we have a soft board who pretend to listen but don't really react. We also have yet another 'good guy' manager whose main failing in my eyes is lack of inspiration. He is a good coach, just cannot relay it well IMHO.

Even off the field, let's have them really change the club root and branch. Ticket pricing - make it cheaper for kids, make it cheaper for walk-up's. The food they sell - let's stop the comedy of paying silly prices for a pie and get involved with local business - I quite fancy having a wee Bains mince pie with my Bovril, and if they cost me only 90p in the shop, why should I pay over £2 at Easter Road !! Hospitality packages - as was said in a previous thread, whoever is in charge of marketing needs to have a long long look in the mirror. And little things like the strip launch - the black strip was lovely agreed, but is anyone really going to go to the shop at midnight to buy it just because it is black !!! Absolutely magic for wee 5 year olds that !!

When was the last time you saw a player attend a local school for the morning, handing out little club pennants or pens. When was the last time you saw one of the board ask to jump on your supporters bus and travel to the away game with you and en route listen to the fans ?

Loads and loads of things that could be done, but won't be done. That's why it will take more than an AGM to get the club to truly act. The time is now in my opinion, to have them really deal with the on and off field problems at Hibernian - some problems which are not unique to Hibs admittedly, but we could make huge inroads now instead of being the last to react.

:top marks

[HibbyKeith]

I actually treated myself to a cheeky wee Bounty for my efforts SH......the milk chocolate one. Plain is just downright wrong ! :greengrin

I was with you 100% until this silly post, Whats wrong with you man! Plain rips the pish oot o' milk.

:hijack:

[truehibernian]

I was with you 100% until this silly post, Whats wrong with you man! Plain rips the pish oot o' milk.

:hijack:

:greengrin

On a Fry's chocolate cream mibbes..........but it's paradise lost on a bounty :greengrin