Does the Norwegian attcks start something bigger?

[HibeeSince85]

We have Islamic extremeists grabbing the headlines the last decade, this was the first major attack by a White Supremasist if you can label him that. It's grabbed the headlines and I'd not actualy be surprised if he doesn't become a hero to some such is the messed up world we inhabit!What happens then though, we have islamists having someone to outdo, ever remember a month without bloody terrorism?

[Sir David Gray]

Thankfully such incidents, particularly on this scale, are extremely rare and I hope that continues to be the case.

Whilst this incident was absolutely abhorrent and devastating for Norway as a nation, I think it's important to treat this in isolation. I highly doubt that Western Europe will see another politically motivated massacre on this scale any time soon so I don't think there's an overwhelming need to bring in too much legislation. It would be a pity if the people of Norway lost a lot of the freedom which they have enjoyed for so long over this.

He'll undoubtedly become a hero in a lot of people's eyes but, like I say, thankfully the number of people who are actually willing, prepared and able to carry out an attack of this magnitude is incredibly small. Going by his "manifesto", it would seem that he has been planning out this attack for nearly a decade.

I also suspect that Anders Breivik's actions will actually go a long way in harming the legitimate debate that there is to be had on issues relating to multiculturalism and immigration in Western Europe for quite some time. I think that it is possible to have a sensible discussion on such subjects, without the need for resorting to these despicable actions, however the politicians are not going to risk being held responsible if some lunatic decides to blow people up and shoot them dead, a few days after they deliver a speech criticising aspects of multiculturalism, which leaders such as Angela Merkel and David Cameron have done in recent months.

Multiculturalism and immigration were already the elephants in the room as far as public debate was concerned and the subjects that many mainstream politicians refused to tackle and I believe the events of last Friday will severely impact on that.

[steakbake]

I don't think it will start anything bigger - not in the slightest. But with the execution of a guy in the USA recently who went on a killing spree to kill anyone who looked "islamic" and now this, how many occurrences of it would constitute a pattern?

It would be also be nice to think that Daily Mail reading reactionary types who like to slaver on internet forums and late night phone ins about those pesky immigrants, might start coming under the same kind of scrutiny that Muslims in general have had to put up with. I think we also need some kind of centralised spokesperson to come out and reassure non-Europeans, publicly and unequivocally that the vast majority of us are moderate, decent westerners with no axe to grind who are as appalled by these attacks as anyone else in their right mind would be.

We wouldn't expect anything less, I would have thought.

[Jack]

I think there was an inevitability about this.

For a long time there's been growing discontent in Europe and a lot of gnashing of teeth. More recently there have been ever increasingly violent clashes linked to multiculturalism.

They say that for every action there's an opposite and equal reaction and this the latest in what I’m sure will be series of similar events, not just in Europe but around the world.

[Future17]

I don't think it will start anything bigger - not in the slightest. But with the execution of a guy in the USA recently who went on a killing spree to kill anyone who looked "islamic" and now this, how many occurrences of it would constitute a pattern?

It would be also be nice to think that Daily Mail reading reactionary types who like to slaver on internet forums and late night phone ins about those pesky immigrants, might start coming under the same kind of scrutiny that Muslims in general have had to put up with. I think we also need some kind of centralised spokesperson to come out and reassure non-Europeans, publicly and unequivocally that the vast majority of us are moderate, decent westerners with no axe to grind who are as appalled by these attacks as anyone else in their right mind would be.

We wouldn't expect anything less, I would have thought.

I don't think that was recent. Was it not about 10 years ago as his execution is imminent? Or am I thinking of another one? :confused:

[Westie1875]

I don't think that was recent. Was it not about 10 years ago as his execution is imminent? Or am I thinking of another one? :confused:

Wasn't it just after 9/11 attacks ?

[magpie1892]

Wasn't it just after 9/11 attacks ?

It was. He was executed last week.

Two dead, I think.

[Betty Boop]

Glen Beck hits an all time low.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/07/glenn-beck-compares-norwegian-victims-to-hitler-youth/1

[hibsbollah]

Glen Beck hits an all time low.http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/07/glenn-beck-compares-norwegian-victims-to-hitler-youth/1 Nothing that complete **** says surprises me anymore.

[khib70]

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/content/glenn-beck-stay-home
Glen Beck hits an all time low.


[QUOTE=hibsbollah;2872224]Nothing that complete **** says surprises me anymore.
Totally agree. Although I tend towards Betty's view that this is utterly contemptible, even by his non-standards.

And it's good to see that the sensible end of Israeli politics doesn't want him as a friend

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/content/glenn-beck-stay-home

[khib70]

And another loudmouthed helmet spouts tasteless garbage (which to be fair, he's been doing all his life)
about the Norwegian tragedy http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jul/28/morrissey-norway-attacks-mcdonalds-kfc

[Betty Boop]

And another loudmouthed helmet spouts tasteless garbage (which to be fair, he's been doing all his life)
about the Norwegian tragedy http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jul/28/morrissey-norway-attacks-mcdonalds-kfc


I like his music, however he has also been guilty of casual racism, as in his comments when describing the Chinese as a 'subspecies'.

[Sir David Gray]

Glen Beck hits an all time low.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/07/glenn-beck-compares-norwegian-victims-to-hitler-youth/1

I quite often find myself in agreement with Glenn Beck but that comment was completely out of order and he should apologise.


And another loudmouthed helmet spouts tasteless garbage (which to be fair, he's been doing all his life)
about the Norwegian tragedy http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/jul/28/morrissey-norway-attacks-mcdonalds-kfc

I saw that the other day and it's just beneath contempt as I'm considered.

[hibsbollah]

The Morrissey and Glenn Beck comments are very different IMO.

Morrissey is using a slightly tasteless anology about killing animals on an industrial scale dwarfing the kind of human tragedy seen in Norway. He considers the morality of an animals murder equal to taking a human life. Hes banging a drum about animal rights, as hes done for years. The link hes making to Norway doesnt offend me, because the victims arent his targets, the fast food companies are. (i happen to disagree with him but its a fair point to debate).

Beck on the other hand is saying its weird and somehow suspicious for the shooting victims to be on the camp in the first place, and by extension blaming them and their parents for their political activism. As well as being totally bizarre and illogical, it is implicitly BLAMING THEM for being there.

Two different kettles of fish.

[LiverpoolHibs]

The Morrissey and Glenn Beck comments are very different IMO.

Morrissey is using a slightly tasteless anology about killing animals on an industrial scale dwarfing the kind of human tragedy seen in Norway. He considers the morality of an animals murder equal to taking a human life. Hes banging a drum about animal rights, as hes done for years. The link hes making to Norway doesnt offend me, because the victims arent his targets, the fast food companies are. (i happen to disagree with him but its a fair point to debate).

Beck on the other hand is saying its weird and somehow suspicious for the shooting victims to be on the camp in the first place, and by extension blaming them and their parents for their political activism. As well as being totally bizarre and illogical, it is implicitly BLAMING THEM for being there.

Two different kettles of fish.

I'd say the offensive bit is in suggesting there's a moral equivalence between the life of a human and the life of a chicken. It's a slur on humanity.

And don't go putting fish in kettles either. Morrissey won't like it.

[hibsbollah]

I'd say the offensive bit is in suggesting there's a moral equivalence between the life of a human and the life of a chicken. It's a slur on humanity.And don't go putting fish in kettles either. Morrissey won't like it. We all know why you dont like the poet of wythenshawe. Bleedin scousers.

[LiverpoolHibs]

We all know why you dont like the poet of wythenshawe. Bleedin scousers.

Au contraire, Pierre. You'll struggle to meet a bigger fan of the Mancunian melancholiacs than myself (well, that's not true - there are a lot of absolute mentalists out there). It's just that old Stevo has a tendency to say some amazingly stupid stuff quite a lot of the time.

And I'm not even a Scouser. :no way:

[hibsbollah]

Au contraire, Pierre. You'll struggle to meet a bigger fan of the Mancunian melancholiacs than myself (well, that's not true - there are a lot of absolute mentalists out there). It's just that old Stevo has a tendency to say some amazingly stupid stuff quite a lot of the time.And I'm not even a Scouser. :no way: Ah good. Frankly Mr. Shankly Id had you down as a kind of smiths-hating post-punk Derek Hatton ;-)