The Stayaway Fans Cost Our Club £100,000 Today

[Mikey]

The fact is Mikey is right. The stay away fans cost us that sum.

You'll need to get your own tin hat, I'm using mine :greengrin

[matty_f]

So why not phrase it "The poor decisions of the club longer-term and current poor product on the park cost our club £100k today"?

I never shop at H&M. I cost them £15.99 yesterday.

I would argue that the club's decisions were absolutely the right ones in the long term, though we have definitely taken a hit in the short - mid term.

I also think it's far too early to say we've got a poor product on the park this season. One game in, against a team tipped to be champions, is a poor benchmark. Last season, yes - very poor product, but this season is unknown, IMHO.

[Gatecrasher]

I dont get the value for money argument - comparing high street shopping to supporting the club. I'm not suggesting customer Service isnt important or hibs should be trying to get the balance between cheap tickets and funds for the club.

When buying a ticket for a Hibs game i buy the ticket out of the support and the passion i feel for the club.
When buying something from a shop i dont really care where i buy it because i have no affiliation to place i buy it, all i care about in that respectis getting the best deal for me.

Sure you feel better for spending your money with hibs when things are going well and we have an entertaining team on the park but when the team isnt at its best i think its just as important to stick by the club which will allow it to come back hopefully better and stronger than before. I know peoples opinion will differ from this but i think walking away from the club now will only prolong its recovery form the difficult situation we find ourselves in.

[Woody1985]

I think spare cash in these hard times and the daft kick off time on a Sunday during the holiday season had just as much to do with it.The fact is Mikey is right. The stay away fans cost us that sum.

The fans didn't cost anybody anything. The club could have potentially had more of an intake but they didn't.

It's like the comparison from the end of last season when finishing 10th 'cost us' x hundred thousand compared with the season before and finishing 4th. There's certainly a difference on what we could have had but didn't.

It just depends how you look at it. :greengrin

[marinello59]

The fans didn't cost anybody anything. The club could have potentially had more of an intake but they didn't.

It's like the comparison from the end of last season when finishing 10th 'cost us' x hundred thousand compared with the season before and finishing 4th. There's certainly a difference on what we could have had but didn't.

It just depends how you look at it. :greengrin

You are right, it does depend on how you look at it. :greengrin
There are people scattered round various threads saying that they chose not to go to the game as a form of protest in order to hit the club in the pocket. They seem to think their absence is costing the club money.

[Mikey]

I know peoples opinion will differ from this but i think walking away from the club now will only prolong its recovery form the difficult situation we find ourselves in.

"Protesting" in a way that denies the club income is by far the most damaging thing that someone can do.

[Ray_]

I dont get the value for money argument - comparing high street shopping to supporting the club. I'm not suggesting customer Service isnt important or hibs should be trying to get the balance between cheap tickets and funds for the club.

When buying a ticket for a Hibs game i buy the ticket out of the support and the passion i feel for the club.
When buying something from a shop i dont really care where i buy it because i have no affiliation to place i buy it, all i care about in that respectis getting the best deal for me.

Sure you feel better for spending your money with hibs when things are going well and we have an entertaining team on the park but when the team isnt at its best i think its just as important to stick by the club which will allow it to come back hopefully better and stronger than before. I know peoples opinion will differ from this but i think walking away from the club now will only prolong its recovery form the difficult situation we find ourselves in.

The important fact that the club has to consider is that there is not enough people who thinks like you do. For the club to do anything other than lose money or seriously downsize, they have to entice others. The club therefore, in relation to a big city club, needs to offer something back to those customers who don't consider blind loyalty to a football club reason enough to spend a large amount of dosh.

[khib70]

"Protesting" in a way that denies the club income is by far the most damaging thing that someone can do.

Absolutely right

Especially if that someone is doing it as a protest against the club not spending enough.
Daft at best, hypocrisy at worst.

And I have a supply of tin hats ready to go

[silverhibee]

I've never at any point said that it's the fans fault and I don't recall seeing anyone else say that either.

The bottom line is, if fans stay away income will drop. It's basic.

We'll support you evermore.............


Agree, so what the **** were the people in the ticket office doing turning away folk from getting tickets for the game on Sunday before kick off, yes there was a few Irish trying to get tickets for the home end but there was obviously a few tourists trying to get tickets for the game and were refused because they are not on Hibs data base, i got a mum dad and there daughter 3 tickets because they were not on the data base, obviously they wont be on it coming from another country but a little common sense from the people in the ticket office is needed, very nice people as well and Hibs are treating them like leppers.

[IWasThere2016]

So why not phrase it "The poor decisions of the club longer-term and current poor product on the park cost our club £100k today"?

I never shop at H&M. I cost them £15.99 yesterday.


I think spare cash in these hard times and the daft kick off time on a Sunday during the holiday season had just as much to do with it.The fact is Mikey is right. The stay away fans cost us that sum.

Now you're both right .. but the club have to act to put it right.

"Do nothing" is not an option as it will not get the fans back.

Unfortunately Hibs are always too slow to act IMHO.

[Mikey]

Now you're both right .. but the club have to act to put it right.

"Do nothing" is not an option as it will not get the fans back.

Unfortunately Hibs are always too slow to act IMHO.

Why does it have to be the club? Why can't it be the supporters?

It's our club, they're just the current custodians. They'll move on, we won't.

[silverhibee]

That's right, £100,000. That's a player on 2k a week for a season.

That could be a right back, a central midfielder or a forward. The very thing the team is screaming out for.

If crowds drop by the same percentage figure over the course of the season it'll be catastrophic for the club.

It's their club. They need to use it or lose it.


How much did CC cost the club at the end of last season when he was tinkering with the team and the team finished in 10th place, maybe trying to finnish higher up the table would have gave the manager more money to spend on players for this season, but folk on here were happy to see CC tinker with the team for the last few games of the season saying it will be a good exercise for this season and are now complaining that fans are staying away and costing the club.

[sunshine1875]

Why does it have to be the club? Why can't it be the supporters?

It's our club, they're just the current custodians. They'll move on, we won't.

So what act do you recommend we should do?

[Mikey]

So what act do you recommend we should do?

How does going to the games sound for starters?

[smurf]

Today CC is in the media talking sense and positively of "Cherry picking" in the English market. Speaks of a deliberate strategy of having held money back to do so. Sounds sensible and almost kind of exciting...

Yesterday i was moaning of the club not communicating to us with honest positive communication.

This is an example.

If this was the strategy decided upon by CC and the club then all season the club should have been communicating this message to us.

Yes someone will throw up a CC quote but come on to the majority within the support they didn't know about this.

And now the end result and harsh reality is of CC having less funds to "Cherry pick" because of the horrendous drop in numbers we witnessed on Sunday.

Even now the club should get CC to put his name to a letter sent to every single person who has not yet renewed or bought a season ticket on our database.

The message? Simple....

Dear Hibernian Fan,

This season under my management i want us to get stronger. Stronger where to you it matters. On the park. Improved performances. Improved results.

YOUR team needs YOUR support. Hibernian has wonderful passionate fans who love their club.

Right now for me to do what i want to do we need more than just fans. We need supporters.

We need YOU to take your seat in YOUR home at Easter Road.

With all the monies raised i have a plan for August. The transfer market closes at the end of August. Please support YOUR club and help me with my plans to improve YOUR club.

To support you to support YOUR club please also find enclosed interest free payment options enclosed.

CC

[sunshine1875]

How does going to the games sound for starters?

I have purchased season tickets for my boys and myself for yonks, used to go to my fair share of away games (5-1 gubbing by St.J was the last straw for me), always get the home and away football tops for my sons, have boughts shares in the club etc. There is not more to give!

[chorley_fm]

"Protesting" in a way that denies the club income is by far the most damaging thing that someone can do.

and the most likely to make the board sit up and listen.... ?

[matty_f]

Today CC is in the media talking sense and positively of "Cherry picking" in the English market. Speaks of a deliberate strategy of having held money back to do so. Sounds sensible and almost kind of exciting...

Yesterday i was moaning of the club not communicating to us with honest positive communication.

This is an example.

If this was the strategy decided upon by CC and the club then all season the club should have been communicating this message to us.

Yes someone will throw up a CC quote but come on to the majority within the support they didn't know about this.

And now the end result and harsh reality is of CC having less funds to "Cherry pick" because of the horrendous drop in numbers we witnessed on Sunday.

Even now the club should get CC to put his name to a letter sent to every single person who has not yet renewed or bought a season ticket on our database.

The message? Simple....

Dear Hibernian Fan,

This season under my management i want us to get stronger. Stronger where to you it matters. On the park. Improved performances. Improved results.

YOUR team needs YOUR support. Hibernian has wonderful passionate fans who love their club.

Right now for me to do what i want to do we need more than just fans. We need supporters.

We need YOU to take your seat in YOUR home at Easter Road.

With all the monies raised i have a plan for August. The transfer market closes at the end of August. Please support YOUR club and help me with my plans to improve YOUR club.

To support you to support YOUR club please also find enclosed interest free payment options enclosed.

CC

That sounds awfully familiar to the letter already sent out to season ticket holders from last season asking them to renew.

The quote about holding money back for this point in the window has already been made by CC at various points from the end of last season on.

What makes you think folk won't ignore it the next time? Unfortunately last time those noises were made by the club, a very vocal section of posters on here refused (IMHO) to acknowledge them and so we find ourselves now asking for it to be said again.

[IWasThere2016]

Why does it have to be the club? Why can't it be the supporters?

It's our club, they're just the current custodians. They'll move on, we won't.

-2,000 STs is the reason Mikey.

The fans on here have made it clear the expectation is and has to be that the club make moves to get people back.

[Hibbyradge]

What about the people who aren't protesting?

The people who have found that going to the game isn't enjoyable anymore?

Why should anyone have to pay money for something disagreeable?

[joebakerforever]

Why does it have to be the club? Why can't it be the supporters?

It's our club, they're just the current custodians. They'll move on, we won't.

Are you sure that all those who sit in the home sections are 100% committed supporters who will pay up, regardless of the quality of the spectacle on show ?


Could it not be that a significant proportion of the stay-aways regard themselves more as customers, and as such will be less likely to hand over their money if they consider what is on offer is not good value ?

[ahibby]

I think spare cash in these hard times and the daft kick off time on a Sunday during the holiday season had just as much to do with it.The fact is Mikey is right. The stay away fans cost us that sum.

No no no no no no no no no no no. You can't reasonably expect someone to pay £28 to be put through frustration and pain and neither can the club. The directors are and have been costing the club for a while now. We would have had more st holders last season if only the board got things right. The directors are costing the club money. I'm here with my £28 quid two or three times a month hoping that something at ER happens which can entice/encourage/motivate/convince me to go. . If I attended on Sunday along with all the other absentees then we would be sanctioning the set up and attitude of the directors unless we protested while we were there, which it might come to yet. Why should we pay £28 to go and see a team that isn't even ready for the competition they are taking part in? You can't carry on sanctioning that approach season after season.

I have spoken to people who had complimentary tickets for Sunday and couldn't be ar*** going because of events which have taken place which the directors have been responsible for, so it's not just paying customers who are staying away. The directors have played on fans loyalty for too long, enough is enough.

[smurf]

That sounds awfully familiar to the letter already sent out to season ticket holders from last season asking them to renew.

The quote about holding money back for this point in the window has already been made by CC at various points from the end of last season on.

What makes you think folk won't ignore it the next time? Unfortunately last time those noises were made by the club, a very vocal section of posters on here refused (IMHO) to acknowledge them and so we find ourselves now asking for it to be said again.

CC has indeed made the 'holding money back' point but the club IMHO have not at all got that across.

As i've said before communications are dreadful.

Tonight there will be thousands of potential Hibs Season Ticket holders watching STV 'Edinburgh' news. They will report nonsense. Why not offer them an exclusive CC interview and communicate the message?

The club should be in the business of shifting seats. They don't do it anywhere near enough pro actively or aggresively IMO.

[matty_f]

CC has indeed made the 'holding money back' point but the club IMHO have not at all got that across.

As i've said before communications are dreadful.

Tonight there will be thousands of potential Hibs Season Ticket holders watching STV 'Edinburgh' news. They will report nonsense. Why not offer them an exclusive CC interview and communicate the message?

The club should be in the business of shifting seats. They don't do it anywhere near enough pro actively or aggresively IMO.

They did get it across, it's just that the hyperventaliting hysterics on here ignored it in their rush to rant about how we needed players in NOW (in capital letters) and about how disgraceful it all was.

[Twa Cairpets]

No no no no no no no no no no no. You can't reasonably expect someone to pay £28 to be put through frustration and pain and neither can the club. The directors are and have been costing the club for a while now. We would have had more st holders last season if only the board got things right. The directors are costing the club money. I'm here with my £28 quid two or three times a month hoping that something at ER happens which can entice/encourage/motivate/convince me to go. . If I attended on Sunday along with all the other absentees then we would be sanctioning the set up and attitude of the directors unless we protested while we were there, which it might come to yet. Why should we pay £28 to go and see a team that isn't even ready for the competition they are taking part in? You can't carry on sanctioning that approach season after season.

You're not a freedom fighter you know. You're a football fan (or not, at the moment, as it happens). If we were run by corrupt megalomaniacs like along by then fair enough - they do have something genuinely to complain about (but choose not to because they are craven muppets who kow tow at the prospect of being third every now and again at the risk of their very existence). You've just gone off football because we are at the moment marginally below the average we have been for 40 years at least, and our manager was seemingly approached for two other jobs, primarily through the press.


I have spoken to people who had complimentary tickets for Sunday and couldn't be ar*** going because of events which have taken place which the directors have been responsible for, so it's not just paying customers who are staying away. The directors have played on fans loyalty for too long, enough is enough.

And you value the opinion of these people? Perish the thought we lose our non-paying customers.

[ahibby]

You're not a freedom fighter you know. You're a football fan (or not, at the moment, as it happens). If we were run by corrupt megalomaniacs like along by then fair enough - they do have something genuinely to complain about (but choose not to because they are craven muppets who kow tow at the prospect of being third every now and again at the risk of their very existence). You've just gone off football because we are at the moment marginally below the average we have been for 40 years at least, and our manager was seemingly approached for two other jobs, primarily through the press.



And you value the opinion of these people? Perish the thought we lose our non-paying customers.


Good points but if someone isn't going to the game for free because they think it's gash then why expect people to part with £28 for the same? I'm sure if the footie on offer was even close to being acceptable (i.e. we look as if we might score) then those who are offered the game for free and those who have the cash to go, would gladly go. There will always be complimentary tickets whether we think those who have them are worthy or not.

[Twa Cairpets]

Good points but if someone isn't going to the game for free because they think it's gash then why expect people to part with £28 for the same? I'm sure if the footie on offer was even close to being acceptable (i.e. we look as if we might score) then those who are offered the game for free and those who have the cash to go, would gladly go. There will always be complimentary tickets whether we think those who have them are worthy or not.

No problem with comps, but if someone cant be bothered going to a free Hibs game (which actually wasnt that bad in the first half) against the OF, then frankly they're not going to be motivated to go much anyway, so I wouldnt give a hoot about their opinion as the chance of them ever being "die-hards" or even semi-regulars in the future is limited.

You could offer me free tickets for the Calcutta Cup but it wouldnt interest or entice me in the slightest to go because rugby interests me less than the history of Moldavian bread manufacturing. It doesnt mean that my going or not is an indictment of the state of Scottish Rugby.

[greenlex]

No problem with comps, but if someone cant be bothered going to a free Hibs game (which actually wasnt that bad in the first half) against the OF, then frankly they're not going to be motivated to go much anyway, so I wouldnt give a hoot about their opinion as the chance of them ever being "die-hards" or even semi-regulars in the future is limited.

You could offer me free tickets for the Calcutta Cup but it wouldnt interest or entice me in the slightest to go because rugby interests me less than the history of Moldavian bread manufacturing. It doesnt mean that my going or not is an indictment of the state of Scottish Rugby.
To be fair the 1916 Yeaster Uprising of was fairly interesting. :greengrin

[BSEJVT]

What about the people who aren't protesting?

The people who have found that going to the game isn't enjoyable anymore?

Why should anyone have to pay money for something disagreeable?

That's exactly where I am at the moment, its not a form of protest, its a personal choice.

I simply couldnt stand watching the Hibs teams of the last few seasons any longer, that despite the fact that I knew this would be the short term result of the decisions to build EM & the East Stand, both of which I supported at the time.

In my mind I was even prepared to cut the team some slack as a result.

I just didnt expect the rut to become so deep or last so long.

Whilst I would applaud the board for their fiscal policies in the past, its clear that there have been horrendous errors in the playing side of their strategy going back to when TM left and that playing budgets have been badly mishandled by the last few incumbents.

This, their smugness over posting profits massaged by player sales, the Calderwood debacle and their lack of engagement / acknowledgement of the position we now find ourselves in and their plans to address it, means that for many fans the bank of Goodwill is empty.

Fans are fickle, an upturn in results will see angst dispel, more fans through the doors and all in the Hibs world back on track.

However like the "upward spiral", we now have a downward one and its hard to see right now what the catalyst to change it will be.

Probably from someone /something completely unexpected like the "golden" generation being pressed into action together and far earlier than planned.

GGTTH

[Dashing Bob S]

To be fair the 1916 Yeaster Uprising of was fairly interesting. :greengrin

On the subject of freely given east European bread, didn't the Lithuanians help out a certain Edinburgh-based regiment in the first world war, by supplying them with several loaves of whole-grain wheatfield germ?

Yeast we forget...

[snooky]

On the subject of freely given east European bread, didn't the Lithuanians help out a certain Edinburgh-based regiment in the first world war, by supplying them with several loaves of whole-grain wheatfield germ?

Yeast we forget...

Crumbs, I did forget! Sorry.

[smurf]

They did get it across, it's just that the hyperventaliting hysterics on here ignored it in their rush to rant about how we needed players in NOW (in capital letters) and about how disgraceful it all was.

I think if anything more on here got the message with IMHO justifiable scepticism than got it if at all outwith here.

My point is that certainly in my experience the support p'd off don't in the main come on here or go elsewhere.

The majority of our fans are not on here!

Mistaken IMHO to think otherwise.

[down-the-slope]

Agree, so what the **** were the people in the ticket office doing turning away folk from getting tickets for the game on Sunday before kick off, yes there was a few Irish trying to get tickets for the home end but there was obviously a few tourists trying to get tickets for the game and were refused because they are not on Hibs data base, i got a mum dad and there daughter 3 tickets because they were not on the data base, obviously they wont be on it coming from another country but a little common sense from the people in the ticket office is needed, very nice people as well and Hibs are treating them like leppers.

Bugbear of mine Silver...I know the responsibility Hibs have if they are complicit in away fans getting in home end and there is trouble...

I'm a footie fan first and foremost..if i'm away on hols and there is a game to see I do

I saw plenty tourists spending in shop on club merchandise...surely making it easy for them to spend more is a must...we should be teaming up with agents / Easyjet who ever to make ER another stop on the city break package....Normally our marketing guys are pretty good but a big trick being missed here......

[matty_f]

I think if anything more on here got the message with IMHO justifiable scepticism than got it if at all outwith here.

My point is that certainly in my experience the support p'd off don't in the main come on here or go elsewhere.

The majority of our fans are not on here!

Mistaken IMHO to think otherwise.

I don't think the majority come on here. In my experience, the Hibs fans that I spoke to away from hibs.net are far more pragmatic about things, and all understood what CC was talking about when he laid out his plans to spend.

You mention scepticism, what makes you think any messages put out now by the club wouldn't be met with more scepticism?

They've already put out the messages that you're asking for - people have rubbished them before, why wouldn't they do it again now?

[J-C]

CC has indeed made the 'holding money back' point but the club IMHO have not at all got that across.

As i've said before communications are dreadful.

Tonight there will be thousands of potential Hibs Season Ticket holders watching STV 'Edinburgh' news. They will report nonsense. Why not offer them an exclusive CC interview and communicate the message?

The club should be in the business of shifting seats. They don't do it anywhere near enough pro actively or aggresively IMO.


Calderwood was quoted at the end of last season telling us he knew his targets and he wanted them im by pre season training. Well GOC and Sproule were certainly not his targets ( bought by RP to put bums on seats ) and Sheridan was touting himself around trying to get a deal. CC has bought 1 players when we need at least another 4-5, short up front and abysmal in playmakers in midfield, players out of position and tactics that look like he hasn't a clue. This and the past 3-4 seasons have scunnered enough Hibs supporters into saying enough is enough, £28 to watch a Hibs team at home play 4-5-1 and not have a shot on target or even a corner kick says it all and the future isn't inspiring.

I'm no doom and gloomer, just a realist, you pay to get your moneys worth and that is what we are not getting, it's a sad state of affairs but it's rife throughout all Scotland, just look at the attendances.

RP is the main fault at ER, CC was way down the pecking order as he'd been interviewed before for the job, why go down that list of managers when the one at the top didn't work, surely a fresh outlook should've been the approach, make a new list of managers and stop going for cheap options, this applies to RP's contract offers to potential players, pay them what they're worth not how cheap we can get them. You pay crap, you'll get crap, we don't need to go overboard with wages but we need to look at the way petrie is strangling the life out of this club for the sake of a few shillings saved here and there.

[basehibby]

Calderwood was quoted at the end of last season telling us he knew his targets and he wanted them im by pre season training. Well GOC and Sproule were certainly not his targets ( bought by RP to put bums on seats ) and Sheridan was touting himself around trying to get a deal. CC has bought 1 players when we need at least another 4-5, short up front and abysmal in playmakers in midfield, players out of position and tactics that look like he hasn't a clue. This and the past 3-4 seasons have scunnered enough Hibs supporters into saying enough is enough, £28 to watch a Hibs team at home play 4-5-1 and not have a shot on target or even a corner kick says it all and the future isn't inspiring.

I'm no doom and gloomer, just a realist, you pay to get your moneys worth and that is what we are not getting, it's a sad state of affairs but it's rife throughout all Scotland, just look at the attendances.

RP is the main fault at ER, CC was way down the pecking order as he'd been interviewed before for the job, why go down that list of managers when the one at the top didn't work, surely a fresh outlook should've been the approach, make a new list of managers and stop going for cheap options, this applies to RP's contract offers to potential players, pay them what they're worth not how cheap we can get them. You pay crap, you'll get crap, we don't need to go overboard with wages but we need to look at the way petrie is strangling the life out of this club for the sake of a few shillings saved here and there.

Don't think it's fair to assume Calderwood had no input on these pair being signed - I'm sure as ex-players publicly stating an interest they would have been on his radar and would be surprised and somewhat alarmed if he had no say-so on whether they fitted with his plans.
Even so I too have been disappointed and irritated at the slow progress - a player signed on deadline day will have missed the chance to fight for 15 SPL points and considering scale of re-building required I would have hoped to have seen a lot more progress by this stage. Calderwood's statement re holding back funds to cherry pick some quality players is encouraging but I can't help thinking that it's not the whole story and all the speculation re his future had a part to play as well.

[smurf]

I don't think the majority come on here. In my experience, the Hibs fans that I spoke to away from hibs.net are far more pragmatic about things, and all understood what CC was talking about when he laid out his plans to spend.

You mention scepticism, what makes you think any messages put out now by the club wouldn't be met with more scepticism?

They've already put out the messages that you're asking for - people have rubbished them before, why wouldn't they do it again now?

We obviously move within different demographics.:greengrin

The non internet Hibby's i know thnk the club is sitting on money and not at all ambitious. I suggest the former is nonsense but tend to agree on the latter.:wink:

The club need to back the words up with action to end the scepticism.

We all want the same thing at the end of the day but IMHO the club are just not communicating their message effectively at all.

[smurf]

Calderwood was quoted at the end of last season telling us he knew his targets and he wanted them im by pre season training.

Exactly...

Yet according to Matty CC had made it clear we were always entering the market late on to "Cherry pick" as CC said down in the English market (well maybe he didn't exactly say that and that was EEN spin:greengrin)

There is no consistent message at all IMHO from ER this summer.

The communications and PR has been shambolic and the net result is quite possibly more angry supporters than needed to have been the case.

[JohnScott]

You're not a freedom fighter you know. You're a football fan (or not, at the moment, as it happens). If we were run by corrupt megalomaniacs like along by then fair enough - they do have something genuinely to complain about (but choose not to because they are craven muppets who kow tow at the prospect of being third every now and again at the risk of their very existence). You've just gone off football because we are at the moment marginally below the average we have been for 40 years at least, and our manager was seemingly approached for two other jobs, primarily through the press. :faf:

[bpw]

If we really missed out on £100k on Sunday (though we probably get that from TV rights for game) my immediate reaction is good as this is the short of amount that might actually get some action from the club.

And not doing everything possible to discourage any supporter who has not got season ticket to go (day, time, price, database policy, lack of atmosphere through not allocating more away tickets, unclear if you could buy tickets at ground on Sunday morning) would be a simple start!

[sunshine1875]

It's all the fans fault you realise! :rolleyes:

[beensaidbefore]

If the figures of 100k per home game lost through lack of attendance are accurate, should the board not have considered this? Surely giving the manager money to buy some 'big' named players on high wages, who would attract the fans back, would have been a good idea? Even paying 2 or 3 players 10k a week, with higher attendances, they would pay their own wages??

Does this seem unreasonable, as its not too late yet?

[Kaiser1962]

-2,000 STs is the reason Mikey.

The fans on here have made it clear the expectation is and has to be that the club make moves to get people back.

What is interesting here are the comments from Dundee Utd in the last few days. They finished fourth last year and third the year before as well as winning the Scottish Cup and a couple of years in Europe. Not been out the top six for a few seasons now yet their season ticket sales are reportedly down 18%. The bank are keeping the Goodwillie money and they have had lost a few players in the summer.

[Hibbyradge]

If the figures of 100k per home game lost through lack of attendance are accurate, should the board not have considered this? Surely giving the manager money to buy some 'big' named players on high wages, who would attract the fans back, would have been a good idea? Even paying 2 or 3 players 10k a week, with higher attendances, they would pay their own wages??

Does this seem unreasonable, as its not too late yet?

Hibs can't afford to buy the type of player who would pull in the fans.

Gary Caldwell is on £35k a week, ffs.

Only good performances with good results will do that and even then, it will be a marginal increase because Scottish football is woeful.

[The Green Goblin]

What is interesting here are the comments from Dundee Utd in the last few days. They finished fourth last year and third the year before as well as winning the Scottish Cup and a couple of years in Europe. Not been out the top six for a few seasons now yet their season ticket sales are reportedly down 18%. The bank are keeping the Goodwillie money and they have had lost a few players in the summer.

That's incredible. Can you imagine if we had had that kind of statistical success in the last few years? How folks would be feeling? In our own minds, we'd be bloody world-beaters.

GG

[francobaresi]

Spent too much for too many years... I'm not spending my money to watch that any more...

I fear for the worst...

:rolleyes:

[Brando7]

some people just cant afford £100+ each month to go watch that

[Alfred E Newman]

Hibs can't afford to buy the type of player who would pull in the fans.

Gary Caldwell is on £35k a week, ffs.

Only good performances with good results will do that and even then, it will be a marginal increase because Scottish football is woeful.

East Mains was supposed to bolster our reputation as the best breader of young talent in the country. Since Fletcher, only Hanlon , Wotherspoon and Booth have made it as regulars in recent times and they are no world beaters. Our team is now filled with poor quality signings and aging journeymen. A recipe for disaster.

[hibsbollah]

The example of dundee utd is a good one. If we had Mowbray-era entertaining teams, were challenging for 3rd, european adventures and cup runs i bet we wouldnt be getting much more than about 12000 or 13000 turning up for games like st mirren. People are tightening their belts everywhere.


Its the economy, stupid.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Even paying 2 or 3 players 10k a week, with higher attendances, they would pay their own wages??

Does this seem unreasonable, as its not too late yet?


no thanks

[Kaiser1962]

The example of dundee utd is a good one. If we had Mowbray-era entertaining teams, were challenging for 3rd, european adventures and cup runs i bet we wouldnt be getting much more than about 12000 or 13000 turning up for games like st mirren. People are tightening their belts everywhere.


Its the economy, stupid.


It also undermines the theory that if you are successful, or as succesful as the system here allows, the fans will come flooding through the gates which would enable the club to recoup its outlay. There are hard times ahead.

[The Green Goblin]

It also undermines the theory that if you are successful, or as succesful as the system here allows, the fans will come flooding through the gates which would enable the club to recoup its outlay. There are hard times ahead.

Agree, except I think the hard times are already here, and probably started a while back.

GG