(Black) Racism

[Dashing Bob S]

Reports indicate that 90% of inter-racial assaults in the USA are black perpetrators on white victims.

For many reasons I find that statistic surprising. Not saying that I don't believe it though.

[marinello59]

Reports indicate that 90% of inter-racial assaults in the USA are black perpetrators on white victims.

For many reasons I find that statistic surprising. Not saying that I don't believe it though.

Inter-racial assault doesn't mean that the motive is racist though does it? If the motive is for some other reason then the statistic doesn't surprise me in the least.

[J-C]

Reports indicate that 90% of inter-racial assaults in the USA are black perpetrators on white victims.

For many reasons I find that statistic surprising. Not saying that I don't believe it though.


Approximately 2 thirds of prison inmates in the USofA are black, so there's a good chance many will be inter-racial assaults, a nothing story.

[Hibrandenburg]

Blacks are just as racist as whites,asian and any other race.

[RyeSloan]

Approximately 2 thirds of prison inmates in the USofA are black, so there's a good chance many will be inter-racial assaults, a nothing story.

66% of the prison population and 90% of inter racial assualts...hardly a 'nothing story'...sounds to me that it is a very compelling one and one that shows the USA is failing to address a number of basic issues.

[J-C]

66% of the prison population and 90% of inter racial assualts...hardly a 'nothing story'...sounds to me that it is a very compelling one and one that shows the USA is failing to address a number of basic issues.

Not deriding the story, just pointing out that the size of the black prison population means that there's a very good chance that the majority might well be inter racial assaults, also note that approx 20% are of Hispanic background, so there's even more chance of it happening. A nothing story basically means there's no surprise in this story as the facts are obvious to see, 80% from black/hispanic background means inter racial assaults are an extremely common practice.


What needs to be shown is the number of non racial assaults taking place, this would then make the story more compelling, specially if there was a huge difference between the two.

[Speedy]

Not deriding the story, just pointing out that the size of the black prison population means that there's a very good chance that the majority might well be inter racial assaults, also note that approx 20% are of Hispanic background, so there's even more chance of it happening. A nothing story basically means there's no surprise in this story as the facts are obvious to see, 80% from black/hispanic background means inter racial assaults are an extremely common practice.


What needs to be shown is the number of non racial assaults taking place, this would then make the story more compelling, specially if there was a huge difference between the two.

It's a good point and as has been pointed out it doesn't suggest that 90% of racially motivated assaults are committed by black people.

It stands to reason that if there are more black criminals(apologies if that sounds like I'm making a racist remark but just going on the figures quoted in the thread :greengrin) then there will be more inter racial crimes committed by black people - although perhaps that doesn't account for such high figures.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Is it possible that black Americans find it harder to access legal representation and that is reflected in a higher conviction rate?

[heretoday]

I've never been comfortable with the classifying of assaults and murders as "racially motivated". Our media does the same thing here.

An assault is an assault. Why qualify it unless you are trying to find an excuse for it in some way?

[Hibs Class]

I've never been comfortable with the classifying of assaults and murders as "racially motivated". Our media does the same thing here.

An assault is an assault. Why qualify it unless you are trying to find an excuse for it in some way?

It's not classified that way as an excuse. In this country if a crime is regarded as racially motivated then it is intended to attract a harsher sentence than if there were no such motivation. That doesn't mean that all inter-racial crime is regarded as racially motivated, though.

[da-robster]

It's worth remembering that in the US blacks are almost universally poorer than whites, which probably skews the amount commiting or being sentenced to crime compared to whites, it doesn't mean blacks are more criminal or racist, just that they are more likely to be driven to crime. And also blacks are only 12% of the US population, of course it is more likely that blacks will attack whites than whites will attack blacks, its just the figures, like 40% in jail are skewed even more because it is the US and black people are on average far more disadvantaged.

[joe breezy]

Could also be read as most assaults between poor people and better off people are committed by poorer people. No surprise really.
If it was racist who would blame them after 100s of years of slavery and persecution but it's not really.

[magpie1892]

If it was racist who would blame them after 100s of years of slavery and persecution

Oh, of course. The sins of the father should be visited upon the son.

The mind boggles, it really does.

[joe breezy]

But it's most likely not racist so not that boggling really at all.

[magpie1892]

But it's most likely not racist so not that boggling really at all.

:confused:

[J-C]

:confused:
Surely Joe hs a point, if the majority of blacks in US are poorer than White, then it stands to reason crimes against whites will be higher. Where do most of our criminals in this country come from, poorer areas, they have nowt so attempt to steal from people who have.

[magpie1892]

Surely Joe hs a point, if the majority of blacks in US are poorer than White, then it stands to reason crimes against whites will be higher. Where do most of our criminals in this country come from, poorer areas, they have nowt so attempt to steal from people who have.

I'm sure he does have a point, but he quoted part of my post in his post, so assume by way of reply, yet made no allusion to it whatsoever. So I remain confused.

[joe breezy]

My point about black v white racism perhaps being more understandable, if that was a motivation, isn't really useful, probably shouldn't have said it but I did. I don't believe it's relevant in this debate really.

Most victims of violent crime are also black. Crime is much more likely to be committed by blacks in the USA. They're not being racist by picking out white guys.
As well as poverty there is also more of a crime culture in black communities, it's a shame.

The film NEDS was a good example of how a bright kid within a certain culture may end up being one if the gang to be accepted.

Difference in poor america it can be even more deep rooted and likely to involve guns.

[magpie1892]

My point about black v white racism perhaps being more understandable, if that was a motivation, isn't really useful, probably shouldn't have said it

Not unless you're happy to be considered a racist, no, you shouldn't have.


I don't believe it's relevant in this debate really.

Aye, no relevance at all in a thread thus entitled.

I remain boggled that someone could say something so horrendously flawed and then brush it off as an aside that they 'shouldn't have said'. I mean, we all say stupid things, but usually the error becomes swiftly apparent. You seem unconcerned, and that's a worry.

[joe breezy]

What would you like me to do?
I see stories every other day about black on black violence near where I live. In some ways the lack of black v white racism does surprise me, it's pretty much non existent yet there's still quite a bit of racism the other way round, not much but I do believe there's more white v black racism.
I've heard it at west ham, loads at Millwall and heard a fee comments and shouts where I live.

I don't believe the headline of this thread reflects reality but dint know everything that goes on in America well enough to say 100%.

Fortunately in my life the colour if your skin doesn't matter, I've got friends of all colour and had girlfriends of all colours.

I typed something on a message board that said some racism by an oppressed group against oppressors could be understandable. Not right but understandable. I won't be up all night worrying about it.

[magpie1892]

What would you like me to do?
I see stories every other day about black on black violence near where I live. In some ways the lack of black v white racism does surprise me, it's pretty much non existent yet there's still quite a bit of racism the other way round, not much but I do believe there's more white v black racism.
I've heard it at west ham, loads at Millwall and heard a fee comments and shouts where I live.

I don't believe the headline of this thread reflects reality but dint know everything that goes on in America well enough to say 100%.

Fortunately in my life the colour if your skin doesn't matter, I've got friends of all colour and had girlfriends of all colours.

I typed something on a message board that said some racism by an oppressed group against oppressors could be understandable. Not right but understandable. I won't be up all night worrying about it.

Hmm... 'who would blame them' doesn't - in my book - conflate with 'not right but understandable'.

Magnanimous to the last (!), I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and agree to differ.

Doesn't read well, though...