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Future17

16-05-2011, 04:24 PM

heretoday

17-05-2011, 02:35 PM

I'm not in favour of super injunctions but anything that upsets K.Mackenzie has to be good.

He never misses a chance to slag off Scotland.

Phil D. Rolls

17-05-2011, 04:45 PM

Interesting aside to this report on the right to privacy (Professional Footballler v Imogen Thomas) case. At the bottom of the article it states:

"Also at the hearing, lawyers for the footballer applied to see e-mails sent by former Sun editor and now columnist Kelvin MacKenzie.

They applied because MacKenzie said, on the BBC's Today programme, that he sometimes breaks injunctions and sends details to readers.

MacKenzie is not a party to the case, but if the application is granted and the e-mails show him to be flouting injunctions he knew about, then he would be in contempt of court, says BBC legal correspondent Clive Coleman.

The judge has reserved judgement on the application regarding the e-mails, and the application to vary or lift the injunction."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13415903

I've detected a real air of grandiosity about McKenzie lately, in TV interviews. I think things might be going to his head and he thinks he is untouchable.

HibeeSince85

18-05-2011, 11:22 AM

If it's none of our business then anyone has the right to privacy, secrets have a habit of coming out and everyone knows the footballer in question so why waste money on the super injunction, take the flak and it's old news in a week.

Phil D. Rolls

19-05-2011, 04:49 PM

Good to find out that Fred the Shred might have been shafting someone else at the same time he was doing it to the British people.

Betty Boop

19-05-2011, 06:35 PM

Good to find out that Fred the Shred might have been shafting someone else at the same time he was doing it to the British people.

:agree: Quite !

Big Ed

21-05-2011, 08:49 AM

Interesting aside to this report on the right to privacy (Professional Footballler v Imogen Thomas) case. At the bottom of the article it states:

"Also at the hearing, lawyers for the footballer applied to see e-mails sent by former Sun editor and now columnist Kelvin MacKenzie.

They applied because MacKenzie said, on the BBC's Today programme, that he sometimes breaks injunctions and sends details to readers.

MacKenzie is not a party to the case, but if the application is granted and the e-mails show him to be flouting injunctions he knew about, then he would be in contempt of court, says BBC legal correspondent Clive Coleman.

The judge has reserved judgement on the application regarding the e-mails, and the application to vary or lift the injunction."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13415903

I'll be interested to see the outcome of this one. On the one hand, if Mackenzie has e-mailed readers, then he is in contempt of court and could potentially go to jail; on the other, if his e-mails are examined and show no such correspondence, then he will be exposed for what I have always thought him to be: a grandstanding bull****ter :thumbsup:

Hibs Class

21-05-2011, 11:27 AM

Now that the mystery footballer has decided to sue twitter is seems the twitterers are fighting back!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13482403

Beefster

21-05-2011, 03:19 PM

Now that the mystery footballer has decided to sue twitter is seems the twitterers are fighting back!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13482403

If the footballer had just let the story come it, it would have been big news for a couple days and then been forgotten. By taking all this legal action, his name is now circulating globally and the story has been dragging on for months. Spectacular own goal.

HibeeSince85

21-05-2011, 03:32 PM

Spectacular own goal.

From a winger too, should leave it to the defenders :greengrin

lapsedhibee

21-05-2011, 03:37 PM

How do the initials by which the fitballer is known in legal papers, "CTB", relate to the fitballer? Or are they just random initials? :dunno:

I'm thinking "Champions To Be".

Phil D. Rolls

21-05-2011, 03:43 PM

Reading between the lines in Private Eye recently, I think the footballer's initials may be RG. Then again they may not.

HibeeSince85

21-05-2011, 03:45 PM

How do the initials by which the fitballer is known in legal papers, "CTB", relate to the fitballer? Or are they just random initials? :dunno:

I'm thinking "Champions To Be".

Could trounce Barcelona
Can't trounce Barcelona

This could be fun, sure there are a few here who will do better.

Hibs Class

21-05-2011, 05:47 PM

Conniving Treacherous B*******. (According to his Mrs, probably)

greenlex

21-05-2011, 07:03 PM

David Weir has taken out one of these Super injunctions to stop his former lover spilling the beans. Florence Nightingale was unavailable for comment.

bighairyfaeleith

21-05-2011, 08:12 PM

Reading between the lines in Private Eye recently, I think the footballer's initials may be RG. Then again they may not.

So are you saying it is not rhan gagg. The famous championship footballer?

Sent from my GT-I9000 using Tapatalk

lapsedhibee

21-05-2011, 08:30 PM

David Weir has taken out one of these Super injunctions to stop his former lover spilling the beans. Florence Nightingale was unavailable for comment.

Was it not Stevie Fulton that Florence Nightingale was romantically linked with, soon after she invented the pie chart?

Hillsidehibby

21-05-2011, 09:51 PM

I'm not in favour of super injunctions but anything that upsets K.Mackenzie has to be good.

He never misses a chance to slag off Scotland.

An odious little schecht if there ever was one.

How can someone with a name of Kelvin MacKenzie hate Scotland so much?

London Evening Standard readers will probably love him though.

discman

21-05-2011, 11:30 PM

Reading between the lines in Private Eye recently, I think the footballer's initials may be RG. Then again they may not.

According to Twitter their making a movie about "Super injunctions"...............Saving Ryans Privates........;).

AgentDaleCooper

22-05-2011, 03:28 AM

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Betty Boop

22-05-2011, 11:17 AM

Interesting to note, that guys get all excited about the private lives of football players ! :greengrin

Andy74

22-05-2011, 06:50 PM

Good to find out that Fred the Shred might have been shafting someone else at the same time he was doing it to the British people.

I know who it was, am I allowed to say!

Anyway, Fred didn't bring about a global financial crisis and for press and politicians to suggest him having an affair had anything to do with it is even more ridiculous!

Big Ed

22-05-2011, 07:43 PM

Hibs Class

22-05-2011, 08:21 PM

I know who it was, am I allowed to say!

Anyway, Fred didn't bring about a global financial crisis and for press and politicians to suggest him having an affair had anything to do with it is even more ridiculous!

:agree: If every affair was to be investigated for what impact it might have had on some decision or other then there would be constant investigations into politicians as well. This smacks of populist politics and putting the boot in rather than a serious question.

Big Ed

22-05-2011, 08:43 PM

:agree: If every affair was to be investigated for what impact it might have had on some decision or other then there would be constant investigations into politicians as well. This smacks of populist politics and putting the boot in rather than a serious question.

I think you are being a wee bit simplistic here; the only reason that Fred Goodwin is being discussed at the moment is because he was named by a Peer in the House of Lords under parliamentary privilege.
It is the media that are desperate to name all of the people who have taken out Super Injunctions, but are unable to. Because Goodwin’s name was uttered in the House of Lords, it can be reported and thus he is fair game as far as they are concerned; but it wouldn’t have mattered if they had named the footballer or any of the others instead: they are staining at the leash for salacious gossip.
It has nothing to do with being populist (though I suspect that's a wee bonus) :wink:

Phil D. Rolls

22-05-2011, 09:11 PM

Reading between the lines in Private Eye recently, I think the footballer's initials may be RG. Then again they may not.

Do I win £5? Giggity!!!

Hibs Class

22-05-2011, 09:33 PM

I think you are being a wee bit simplistic here; the only reason that Fred Goodwin is being discussed at the moment is because he was named by a Peer in the House of Lords under parliamentary privilege.
It is the media that are desperate to name all of the people who have taken out Super Injunctions, but are unable to. Because Goodwin’s name was uttered in the House of Lords, it can be reported and thus he is fair game as far as they are concerned; but it wouldn’t have mattered if they had named the footballer or any of the others instead: they are staining at the leash for salacious gossip.
It has nothing to do with being populist (though I suspect that's a wee bonus) :wink:

The fact that parliamentary privilege was used to name Goodwin but not Giggs or anyone else who has sought a super injunction suggests that Goodwin was singled out for some reason. IMHO it does smack of hypocrisy.

Sir David Gray

22-05-2011, 10:01 PM

I can't believe that the courts have protected the privacy of someone who has supposedly had an extramarital affair but not accused of breaking any laws. However, the names of famous people who have simply been arrested for rape in the past have been published freely by the media, even before any charges were brought against them.

That cannot be right.

Viva_Palmeiras

22-05-2011, 10:49 PM

The fact that parliamentary privilege was used to name Goodwin but not Giggs or anyone else who has sought a super injunction suggests that Goodwin was singled out for some reason. IMHO it does smack of hypocrisy.

My take on the Goodwin affair (no pun intended) is that its an issue of corporate governance. He should have disclosed the affair to the board. I don't know if Radio Scotland went so far as to say but lets say they may have hinted it involved another director. That being the case probably Fred should have been taken to task at the time and may have been a breach of contract.

If that assumption is true they have something to pin on him and take a dent / revoke the pension payouts. Thats gotta be in with a shout for a reason.

Pete

22-05-2011, 11:09 PM

The fact that parliamentary privilege was used to name Goodwin but not ***** or anyone else who has sought a super injunction suggests that Goodwin was singled out for some reason. IMHO it does smack of hypocrisy.

I'm not trying to be smart but are we actually allowed to mention this guys name on here?

If twitter users are getting sued then surely we'd all better watch out.

Danderhall Hibs

23-05-2011, 06:27 AM

I'm not trying to be smart but are we actually allowed to mention this guys name on here?

If twitter users are getting sued then surely we'd all better watch out.

Did you see the Sunday Herald yesterday? They "outed" the footballer - apparently they can because the injunction isn't valid in Scottish law. Presumably this is a Scottish website so we should be ok to say who it is...

lapsedhibee

23-05-2011, 07:28 AM

Did you see the Sunday Herald yesterday? They "outed" the footballer - apparently they can because the injunction isn't valid in Scottish law. Presumably this is a Scottish website so we should be ok to say who it is...

:tsk tsk: But the contents of this site are viewable outside Scotland. Herald suspended distribution south of the border yesterday so that they could confidently name and shame ...

Beefster

23-05-2011, 08:23 AM

I know who it was, am I allowed to say!

Anyway, Fred didn't bring about a global financial crisis and for press and politicians to suggest him having an affair had anything to do with it is even more ridiculous!

A relationship with a senior colleague may allow a CEO's judgement to be called into question. If said CEO pushed though a massive buyout of an international company, which caused a great deal of his company's problems, I think it is reasonable to highlight anything that involved his judgement at the time.

Hibs Class

23-05-2011, 08:42 AM

I'm not trying to be smart but are we actually allowed to mention this guys name on here?

If twitter users are getting sued then surely we'd all better watch out.

Think it's okay, as the super injunction on goodwin is no longer in place. Naming a well known footballer may be slightly riskier.

bighairyfaeleith

23-05-2011, 10:24 AM

Apparently lots of football fans where singing songs about a certain player yesterday, wonder if sky managed to block out the songs:greengrin

J-C

23-05-2011, 10:49 AM

I'm not trying to be smart but are we actually allowed to mention this guys name on here?

If twitter users are getting sued then surely we'd all better watch out.

There are many footballers you could mention, Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand, RYAN GIGGS.

By doing so we're just speculating and not actually saying any of these players are the player having the said affair. :devil:

ArabHibee

23-05-2011, 12:24 PM

A relationship with a senior colleague may allow a CEO's judgement to be called into question. If said CEO pushed though a massive buyout of an international company, which caused a great deal of his company's problems, I think it is reasonable to highlight anything that involved his judgement at the time.

Even if the senior colleague works in a completely different department who would have no part of that buyout?

Beefster

23-05-2011, 12:46 PM

Even if the senior colleague works in a completely different department who would have no part of that buyout?

I don't think her role in the takeover has any relevance to questions about the CEO's judgement, no.

Andy74

23-05-2011, 01:26 PM

I don't think her role in the takeover has any relevance to questions about the CEO's judgement, no.

She had no role on the takeover and its nonsense to suggest it played any part in the judgement. Which was a board decision by the way and supported overwhelmingly by shareholders.

Beefster

23-05-2011, 03:03 PM

She had no role on the takeover and its nonsense to suggest it played any part in the judgement. Which was a board decision by the way and supported overwhelmingly by shareholders.

How is it nonsense? Have you had a chat with the ex-CEO about it? I'd, personally, say that starting a relationship with a senior exec at the bank he runs is a lapse of judgement.

I'm not questioning the merger btw. I'm saying that I don't think that he has a right to keep it private (not that it is now anyway) considering the implications of any possible lack of judgement that existed on the country.

Is there any authority figure that you won't back to the hilt?

HibeeSince85

23-05-2011, 03:22 PM

MP named him in the commons, Sky reporting it now. Judge has called back lawyers to court now, surely to overturn the injunction.

Cue the witchhunt, just wish they did it after the CL final :wink:

Who does John Hemming support:greengrin

Future17

23-05-2011, 04:49 PM

Andy74

23-05-2011, 04:52 PM

How is it nonsense? Have you had a chat with the ex-CEO about it? I'd, personally, say that starting a relationship with a senior exec at the bank he runs is a lapse of judgement.

I'm not questioning the merger btw. I'm saying that I don't think that he has a right to keep it private (not that it is now anyway) considering the implications of any possible lack of judgement that existed on the country.

Is there any authority figure that you won't back to the hilt?

I attended a daily meeting with him and the top 30 execs for 3 years which included the takeover being discussed and all the way through the crisis.

ancienthibby

23-05-2011, 04:56 PM

The takeover of ABN-AMRO by RBS was a house built on sand.

Story. End of.

steakbake

23-05-2011, 05:51 PM

Anyhow. We need 75000 new prison spaces pronto. All these people have committee a crime and i expect nothing less than for them all to be rounded up and prosecuted. Ryan Giggs eh? I had no idea.

Beefster

23-05-2011, 06:32 PM

I attended a daily meeting with him and the top 30 execs for 3 years which included the takeover being discussed and all the way through the crisis.

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest but if 30 RBS bosses attended a meeting with the same people every single day for three years, I think I can see how it went tits up.

Is it safe to assume that you didn't discuss his affair in those meetings then?

Andy74

23-05-2011, 07:46 PM

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest but if 30 RBS bosses attended a meeting with the same people every single day for three years, I think I can see how it went tits up.

Is it safe to assume that you didn't discuss his affair in those meetings then?

It was a half hour daily for all that could make it to share what was happening in each business.

Now just twice weekly!

No the affair was not discussed but I think I am in a decent position to know the ins and outs of what was happening In terms of decisions and how they were made and how focused people were on doing their jobs.

Phil D. Rolls

24-05-2011, 09:20 AM

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest but if 30 RBS bosses attended a meeting with the same people every single day for three years, I think I can see how it went tits up.

Is it safe to assume that you didn't discuss his affair in those meetings then?

Unless you had as much contact with the top men at RBS as he did, I'd say you aren't even at the toilet door. :greengrin

Interesting thing on Newsnight yesterday. There was a woman on saying that these guys shot themsleves in the foot, basically they could have stopped the stories by going to the PCC.

You have to wonder if they have had bad legal advice from the likes of Carter Ruck.

greenlex

24-05-2011, 09:45 PM

It was a half hour daily for all that could make it to share what was happening in each business.

Now just twice weekly!

No the affair was not discussed but I think I am in a decent position to know the ins and outs of what was happening In terms of decisions and how they were made and how focused people were on doing their jobs.
Just admit it Andy. Fred was ****ging you wasn't he? :greengrin

Big Ed

25-05-2011, 05:58 AM

Unless you had as much contact with the top men at RBS as he did, I'd say you aren't even at the toilet door. :greengrin

Interesting thing on Newsnight yesterday. There was a woman on saying that these guys shot themsleves in the foot, basically they could have stopped the stories by going to the PCC.

You have to wonder if they have had bad legal advice from the likes of Carter Ruck.

Aside from the fact that the PCC have a history of utter ineffectiveness, the fact that Northern & Shell, who own the Daily Star, Daily Express and Sunday Express, have been binned by the PCC means that no one can complain about these publications to the "watchdog" anyway.