Four Hibs stars ordered to stay away from club (Daily record)

[pacorosssco]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/hibernian/2011/05/03/four-hibs-stars-to-stay-away-from-club-after-colin-calderwood-informs-them-their-easter-road-careers-are-over-86908-23103768/

Bit OTT no?

I understand if their out no point in hanging around but he could have gave the players a chance to say goodbye especially as Nish is a Hibs fan and they havent done anything wrong other than be crap

Not good man management skills from CC here and a further worry about his methods for me

[Springbank]

Sometimes it's for the best though.

I remember when Mogga came in and immediately got rid of Brebner (one of our few experienced decent players at the time) which seemed even more extreme.

But what happened was the influence that Brebner had been exercising over the younger guys (according to Mowbray) was lifted, and a fresh new atmosphere took over the club, helping the kids like Brown Thomson Deek etc to flourish and express themselves more.

So, it could be excellent club management. I would be surprised if CC has got this one wrong. His judgement so far has been sound, in my view.

[bighairyfaeleith]

depends why he has done, maybe they have been stirring things because they where leaving?

maybe the daily ****** has just made the story up?

[ionahibby]

Doin't get what cc is trying to prove doing this unless he sees these players as trouble makers bad stuff fromm cc imo

[PeeJay]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/hibernian/2011/05/03/four-hibs-stars-to-stay-away-from-club-after-colin-calderwood-informs-them-their-easter-road-careers-are-over-86908-23103768/

Bit OTT no?

I understand if their out no point in hanging around but he could have gave the players a chance to say goodbye especially as Nish is a Hibs fan and they havent done anything wrong other than be crap

Not good man management skills from CC here and a further worry about his methods for me

"Ordered" - did he actually order them not to come down? Maybe he just said you don't need to come down to training anymore, better spend your time looking for a new club. The Daily Record - enough said surely?

[lucky]

CC has made a decision to get the of the four them so he obviously has no intention of playing them so there is no point in having them around the club. Dont see what the issue is

[marinello59]

It's a training ground, not a social club. If they are not even going to be involved in the next few games then really there is little point in them hanging about East Mains. A total non-story from the Record.

[lapsedhibee]

"Ordered" - did he actually order them not to come down? Maybe he just said you don't need to come down to training anymore, better spend your time looking for a new club. The Daily Record - enough said surely?

:agree: On another page it has Eddie Turnbull as centre forward in the Famous Five and implies Jackie MacNamara was a Tornado.

Rag.

[hibsbollah]

Its the Daily Record.

[jdships]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/hibernian/2011/05/03/four-hibs-stars-to-stay-away-from-club-after-colin-calderwood-informs-them-their-easter-road-careers-are-over-86908-23103768/

Bit OTT no?

I understand if their out no point in hanging around but he could have gave the players a chance to say goodbye especially as Nish is a Hibs fan and they havent done anything wrong other than be crap

Not good man management skills from CC here and a further worry about his methods for me


Jumping to conclusions here are you not ?
Remember which newspaper this story appears in :greengrin
Nothing sinister here for me
It is common practice to "allow " players who have been released not to continue to train when their services are no longer required .
It has happened for many many years

:rolleyes:

[Kaiser1962]

[
Jumping to conclusions here are you not ?
Remember which newspaper this story appears in :greengrin
Nothing sinister here for me
It is common practice to "allow " players who have been released not to continue to train when their services are no longer required .
It has happened for many many years
:rolleyes:

Facilities are also offered, at times, to ex-players or players who are out of contract. I think its the Record making things up again. As already said CC probably said something along the lines of "I wont be using you guys so its not that important if you come or not" as opposed to the Record's take which appears to be "Dont ever darken out door again you ****bags!"

Poetic licence taken obviously :greengrin

[H18sry]

May 3 2011 Sir Albert Day

Four Hibs stars to stay away from club after Colin Calderwood informs them their Easter Road careers are over

HIBS boss Colin Calderwood has told four of his axed players to stay away from the club's training ground for the rest of the season.
Calderwood is planning a revamp of his squad and has already released several out-of-contract stars.
But Colin Nish, John Rankin, Steven Thicot and Valdas Trakys were stunned last week when he warned them to stay at home.
The quartet were pulled into the manager's office at their Tranent base and informed they didn't need to report for work while picking up the remainder of their wages. They will now instruct their agents to try to find them new clubs before pre-season.
Lifelong Hibs fan Nish has scored 22 goals since signing from Kilmarnock in 2008, while Rankin racked up his 100th game for the club in February.
Thicot was signed by ex-boss Mixu Paatelainen but has failed to nail down a place in Calderwood's first team.
Lithuanian striker Trakys arrived in Leith last September but has yet to score. Calderwood has already freed Graeme Smith and told Kevin McBride, Kevin McCann and Kurtis Byrne they have no future at the club.

[EskbankHibby]

No quotes from CC or the players i see.

[Barney McGrew]

They will now instruct their agents to try to find them new clubs before pre-season.

If their agents haven't been doing that already, then they're not much of an agent seeing as how they've all known for weeks that they weren't in CC's plans going forward.

[jdships]

Facilities are also offered, at times, to ex-players or players who are out of contract. I think its the Record making things up again. As already said CC probably said something along the lines of "I wont be using you guys so its not that important if you come or not" as opposed to the Record's take which appears to be "Dont ever darken out door again you ****bags!"

Poetic licence taken obviously :greengrin



:thumbsup::agree:

[bingo70]

Despite the record being the rag that it is I don't believe the paper would have made it up from nowhere, i imagine one of the players has taken the hump about being released, not had many offers and is wanting his name in the papers so making more of the story than what it actually is.

Even if it is true though and they've been told to stay away then i'm quite happy as it appears CC is starting to take a harder line with the players and it's about time we had a manager that did that again, as has been mentioned previously it's not a social club down there so if there's even a suggestion they're not 100% committed to the training as their mind is elsewhere then that's bound to have an effect on the other players.

I know in the past when i've been working my notice in jobs, even with the best intentions i've not been as productive as i would have been before my notice was in so i'm sure the same principles could apply to footballers.

[jdships]

If their agents haven't been doing that already, then they're not much of an agent seeing as how they've all known for weeks that they weren't in CC's plans going forward.

Absolutely !!
My friend and I spoke to John Rankine for a few minutes last Saturday and we wished him well in the future .
His comment was something like " Thanks lads , my man got me a chat with a couple of clubs over the last couple of weeks - we'll see how it goes "
We then asked about going south " Why not if the money's right ( big grin)"

[EasterRoad4Ever]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/hibernian/2011/05/03/four-hibs-stars-to-stay-away-from-club-after-colin-calderwood-informs-them-their-easter-road-careers-are-over-86908-23103768/

Bit OTT no?

I understand if their out no point in hanging around but he could have gave the players a chance to say goodbye especially as Nish is a Hibs fan and they havent done anything wrong other than be crap

Not good man management skills from CC here and a further worry about his methods for me


Something is rank rotten at the club, so anything that CC does to change the attitude of players, improve their professionalism and start the transformation is a good thing. Agree putting these guys out on garden leave looks extreme, but little different to many other industries.

[Beefster]

Oh no. Calderwood might have, maybe, possibly, been a bit rude to four players that we've been decimating on here for months, if not years. I'm not sure about anyone else but I can smell the hypocrisy from miles away.

We moan about managers being too pally with the players, we moan about them being too ruthless. What the **** do we actually want?

[--------]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/hibernian/2011/05/03/four-hibs-stars-to-stay-away-from-club-after-colin-calderwood-informs-them-their-easter-road-careers-are-over-86908-23103768/

Bit OTT no?

I understand if their out no point in hanging around but he could have gave the players a chance to say goodbye especially as Nish is a Hibs fan and they havent done anything wrong other than be crap

Not good man management skills from CC here and a further worry about his methods for me

First, it's the Daily Record - why do you assume they're telling the true story?

Second, how do you know he "didn't give the players a chance to say goodbye"? Did he get security to watch them empty their lockers before escorting them from the premises? How do you know how the conversation went? Or what CC said to them?

What has Nish being a Hibs fan got to do with it? He's a professional footballer and a grown-up man - he's been told his contract won't be renewed and that he should get down now to finding a new club. As have Rankin and Thicot. Their contracts would require them to be at East Mains for training every day. All CC's done is to release them from that obligation so that they can work out their next moves. Seems to me that CC's being considerate towards the guys rather than heavy-handed. This way they may have a few weeks head-start on some other released players.

And why should we have any concern whatsoever for Trakys? He's done nothing for us apart from one game when he looked useful, and IIRC there was a story on here not so long ago that he was seen at ER with a bunch of his fellow-countrymen who play for the Other Team. Good riddance - he should have been thrown out months ago. He's been a complete waste of wages since he came.

IMO the team's in limbo right now - this season has been a total non-event, and next season we'll hopefully have a radically different squad of players. Best for all concerned to make a clean break now. Season's over - not with a bang but a whimper. Time to look forward, clear the decks, and start over. That's all CC's doing IMO.

And seriously, this rancid scrap of chip-wrapper tells us nothing whatsoever about CC's "man-management skills".

As Beefster says above.

[Speedway]

Oh no. Calderwood might have, maybe, possibly, been a bit rude to four players that we've been decimating on here for months, if not years. I'm not sure about anyone else but I can smell the hypocrisy from miles away.

We moan about managers being too pally with the players, we moan about them being too ruthless. What the **** do we actually want?

Beefster, we want whatever it is that we haven't got but feel entitled to...until we get it and then it's not good enough.

[Speedway]

First, it's the Daily Record - why do you assume they're telling the true story?

Second, how do you know he "didn't give the players a chance to say goodbye"? Did he get security to watch them empty their lockers before escorting them from the premises? How do you know how the conversation went? Or what CC said to them?

What has Nish being a Hibs fan got to do with it? he's a professional footballer and a grown-up man - he's been told his contract won't be renewed and that he should get down now to finding a new club. As have Rankin and Thicot. Seems to me that CC's being considerate towards the guys rather than heavy-handed. This way they have a few weeks head-start on other released players.

Why should we have any concern whatsoever for Trakys? He's done nothing for us apart from one game when he looked useful, and IIRC there was a story on here not so long ago that he was seen at ER with a bunch of his fellow-countrymen who play for the Other Team. Good riddance - he should have been thrown out months ago. He's been a complete waste of wages since he came.

IMO the team's on limbo right now - this season has been a total non-event, and next season we'll hopefully have a radically different squad of players. Best for all concerned to make a clean break now. Season's over - not with a bang but a whimper. Time to look forward, clear the decks, and start over. that's all CC's doing IMO.

This piece of chip-wrapper tells us nothing whatsoever about CC's "man-management skills".

But the fact that we'll be swayed and influenced negatively by it says plenty about us and our discernment skills.

[HFC 0-7]

FWIW, I would tell anyone that isnt going to be with the club and not featuring in the remaining games not to come to training. These guys will not have the same motivation to work in training and this will be felt by the other guys that are staying. It wouldnt be ideal to have a group of players working their socks off being coached and prepared for next season, only for another group of players maybe not putting in as much effort and not being involved with any plans for next season.

As much as we would like to think that players are professionals etc and would still work hard and listen, if there was something they didnt agree with they could blow up and tell the coach where to go which wouldnt help the players staying.

[smurf]

The players with no future should have been told to bolt from the training ground months ago.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd tell one or two who are currently playing or still in the squad never to darken the doors ever again.

[bingo70]

The players with no future should have been told to bolt from the training ground months ago.

That was my initial reaction as well but i'm not actually sure we had a big enough squad for that, plus relegation wasn't completely impossible a couple of months ago so we couldn't risk just playing young players that weren't ready yet.

Not that big a deal really but i certainly won't be shedding a tear for the guys that have been told to stay away and if this was the Record or one of the players trying to stir trouble i think the opposite will have happened.

If Deeks and Miller both turn down deals before the end of the season will they be punted early too though?

[StevieC]

he obviously has no intention of playing them so there is no point in having them around the club. Dont see what the issue is

Exactly.

"Thanks for the service guys, and as a thank you I am allowing you to take time off, on full pay, to concentrate on finding yourself a new club."

How could that possibly be construed as poor treatment or bad man management???

:confused:

[StevieC]

If Deeks and Miller both turn down deals before the end of the season will they be punted early too though?

At the moment we are still in the frame for 7th place, and I suspect that these are two players that could potentially get us there. While that is still possible, and Petrie has his eye on the cash bonus that brings, then I think they will still feature. That might well be right up until the last game of the season.

[Andy74]

Oh no. Calderwood might have, maybe, possibly, been a bit rude to four players that we've been decimating on here for months, if not years. I'm not sure about anyone else but I can smell the hypocrisy from miles away.

We moan about managers being too pally with the players, we moan about them being too ruthless. What the **** do we actually want?

Depends if you have decided you like the manager or not. The last one was by all accounts both a bully AND too pally.

[johnrebus]

Have not so much as glanced at the Daily Record since the Terrible Twins/Collins affair.

if todays issue says Tuesday on the masthead I would still check a calender first before believing it.

:grr:

[Speedway]

Depends if you have decided you like the manager or not. The last one was by all accounts both a bully AND too pally.

I like this one so far and didn't like the last one. As a Hibs Supporter, I reserve the right to change this view at any time for any reason witout using any reason as my basis for the change.

[crewetollhibee]

First, it's the Daily Record - why do you assume they're telling the true story?

Second, how do you know he "didn't give the players a chance to say goodbye"? Did he get security to watch them empty their lockers before escorting them from the premises? How do you know how the conversation went? Or what CC said to them?

What has Nish being a Hibs fan got to do with it? He's a professional footballer and a grown-up man - he's been told his contract won't be renewed and that he should get down now to finding a new club. As have Rankin and Thicot. Their contracts would require them to be at East Mains for training every day. All CC's done is to release them from that obligation so that they can work out their next moves. Seems to me that CC's being considerate towards the guys rather than heavy-handed. This way they may have a few weeks head-start on some other released players.

And why should we have any concern whatsoever for Trakys? He's done nothing for us apart from one game when he looked useful, and IIRC there was a story on here not so long ago that he was seen at ER with a bunch of his fellow-countrymen who play for the Other Team. Good riddance - he should have been thrown out months ago. He's been a complete waste of wages since he came.

IMO the team's in limbo right now - this season has been a total non-event, and next season we'll hopefully have a radically different squad of players. Best for all concerned to make a clean break now. Season's over - not with a bang but a whimper. Time to look forward, clear the decks, and start over. That's all CC's doing IMO.

And seriously, this rancid scrap of chip-wrapper tells us nothing whatsoever about CC's "man-management skills".

As Beefster says above.
Spot on Doddie :top marks

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Maybe a bit of a cliche, but if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I know that the DR never lets facts get in the way of a good story but take all the football implications out of and put another spin on it. " Big Hearted Hibs boss lets players start summer holidays early". If I was getting let go by my firm and the big cheese said to me that my wages would be paid up, but I wouldn't need to work for them I wouldn't gripe. I would view it as a chance to look for other options while still getting a wage.

[JimBHibees]

First, it's the Daily Record - why do you assume they're telling the true story?

Second, how do you know he "didn't give the players a chance to say goodbye"? Did he get security to watch them empty their lockers before escorting them from the premises? How do you know how the conversation went? Or what CC said to them?

What has Nish being a Hibs fan got to do with it? He's a professional footballer and a grown-up man - he's been told his contract won't be renewed and that he should get down now to finding a new club. As have Rankin and Thicot. Their contracts would require them to be at East Mains for training every day. All CC's done is to release them from that obligation so that they can work out their next moves. Seems to me that CC's being considerate towards the guys rather than heavy-handed. This way they may have a few weeks head-start on some other released players.

And why should we have any concern whatsoever for Trakys? He's done nothing for us apart from one game when he looked useful, and IIRC there was a story on here not so long ago that he was seen at ER with a bunch of his fellow-countrymen who play for the Other Team. Good riddance - he should have been thrown out months ago. He's been a complete waste of wages since he came.

IMO the team's in limbo right now - this season has been a total non-event, and next season we'll hopefully have a radically different squad of players. Best for all concerned to make a clean break now. Season's over - not with a bang but a whimper. Time to look forward, clear the decks, and start over. That's all CC's doing IMO.

And seriously, this rancid scrap of chip-wrapper tells us nothing whatsoever about CC's "man-management skills".

As Beefster says above.

Totally agree non-story completely. Why would he want 4 guys turning up and training when he has no intention of playing them as it allows him to work on team shape etc with the guys he will be playing. The reverse of this is that it allows the 4 players more time to seek other clubs and also train with these clubs on a trial basis though no doubt the Record wouldnt want to highlight that. Personally think he is doing the players a favour by this.

[leeds_hibby]

Hope its not true im coming to the sponsors evening tomorrow to get my shirt of john rankin!!

[bingo70]

Hope its not true im coming to the sponsors evening tomorrow to get my shirt of john rankin!!

It's in todays EEN so looks like it is true, he might still be invited to the sponsors evening though so don't go panicing just yet :wink:

[LeithBoozy]

All it means is that Nish can sit on his erse in the house, Instead of the ER pitch. :wink:

[IWasThere2016]

Despite the record being the rag that it is I don't believe the paper would have made it up from nowhere, i imagine one of the players has taken the hump about being released, not had many offers and is wanting his name in the papers so making more of the story than what it actually is.

Even if it is true though and they've been told to stay away then i'm quite happy as it appears CC is starting to take a harder line with the players and it's about time we had a manager that did that again, as has been mentioned previously it's not a social club down there so if there's even a suggestion they're not 100% committed to the training as their mind is elsewhere then that's bound to have an effect on the other players.

I know in the past when i've been working my notice in jobs, even with the best intentions i've not been as productive as i would have been before my notice was in so i'm sure the same principles could apply to footballers.

N/A for Nish IMHO :wink:

[Hibeesb0unc3]

The players with no future should have been told to bolt from the training ground months ago.

I dont think we would have had a team left if we done that months ago.:wink:

[Thecat23]

I think it's good man management, he's given these players plenty time to find a new club and get settled as soon as possible. I know for a fact players out of contract at the end of the season worry about if they will get a new club in time. The way the record put it is total garbage.

If i have 4 tins of soup in the cupboard 2 in date 2 out. I won't keep the out of date tins just to make my cupboard look full. :greengrin No idea where that came from i'm on painkillers, head is a tad pickled.

[BEEJ]

For the life of me I cannot see how this 'story' can possibly be interpreted as anything other than an example of good management skills.

There were four more games to play last week with a little over a fortnight in the season remaining. As a player being told your contract is coming to an end, you are not likely to feature in any of those four matches, even as a sub.

Why would you want to hang around East Mains under those circumstances? Get on with your career and with finding a new club!

[Seveno]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/hibernian/2011/05/03/four-hibs-stars-to-stay-away-from-club-after-colin-calderwood-informs-them-their-easter-road-careers-are-over-86908-23103768/

Bit OTT no?

I understand if their out no point in hanging around but he could have gave the players a chance to say goodbye especially as Nish is a Hibs fan and they havent done anything wrong other than be crap

Not good man management skills from CC here and a further worry about his methods for me

On the contrary, it is good management. If these players are no longer required then they are no longer committed to the Club. They are not going to add value but could do damage.

As it happens, he seems to have been good to them in allowing them the freedom to go and find another club. The Daily ****** has merely over-egged it to make a non-story in a piece of faked controversy.

[ALF TUPPER]

Hmmm no doubt misquotes with a large dod o' makie-uppie journalism here from Jim Traynor's boys in the west.

Players not in CC's plans, not going to figure in last few games. Best use their time to secure a contract elsewhere. Sounds fair enough to me.

Nothing to see here ........... squiggle along now please ! :bye:

[Keith_M]

"they didn't need to report for work while picking up the remainder of their wages."


Not exactly banned from going to work, is it.

[dp00]

thicot was at the game on saturday, sitting in the west executive seat. So obviously not banned from stadium

[Davy Mac]

Have not so much as glanced at the Daily Record since the Terrible Twins/Collins affair.

if todays issue says Tuesday on the masthead I would still check a calender first before believing it.

:grr:

:agree:

Much the same for me tbh.

In my experience letting staff go early suggests to me he doesn't want their negativity to affect the remaining players, the young ones in particular.

Wish them well.

[jonny]

"Ordered" - did he actually order them not to come down? Maybe he just said you don't need to come down to training anymore, better spend your time looking for a new club. The Daily Record - enough said surely?

This sounds a much more likely scenario than the one "reported" (I use the word loosely) by the Daily Record

[CRAZYHIBBY]

having spoken to one of the 4 mentioned.....(there are actually 7) there is nothing sinister in it. Apparently there are other players being let go too

[scoopyboy]

having spoken to one of the 4 mentioned.....(there are actually 7) there is nothing sinister in it. Apparently there are other players being let go too
Spill the beans

[CRAZYHIBBY]

[/U][/B]
Spill the beans

That was all he said mate...i asked about Vaz Te, Deek and Mller but he didnt have anything to say other than there has been talks between them and hibs.

[OxoHibby]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/hibernian/2011/05/03/four-hibs-stars-to-stay-away-from-club-after-colin-calderwood-informs-them-their-easter-road-careers-are-over-86908-23103768/

Bit OTT no?

I understand if their out no point in hanging around but he could have gave the players a chance to say goodbye especially as Nish is a Hibs fan and they havent done anything wrong other than be crap

Not good man management skills from CC here and a further worry about his methods for me

Unless the article has been updated recently it doesn't say that they were ordered, it says they are to stay away after being INFORMED.

The scotman's take is that they have been told they are not required to attend training. That is quite different from being ordered to stay away and gives them time to find new clubs instead of having to train. Effectively seems to me they are being given several weeks notice before their contracts expires and perfectly reasonble.

[ArabHibee]

May 3 2011 Sir Albert Day

Four Hibs stars to stay away from club after Colin Calderwood informs them their Easter Road careers are over

HIBS boss Colin Calderwood has told four of his axed players to stay away from the club's training ground for the rest of the season.
Calderwood is planning a revamp of his squad and has already released several out-of-contract stars.
But Colin Nish, John Rankin, Steven Thicot and Valdas Trakys were stunned last week when he warned them to stay at home.
The quartet were pulled into the manager's office at their Tranent base and informed they didn't need to report for work while picking up the remainder of their wages. They will now instruct their agents to try to find them new clubs before pre-season.
Lifelong Hibs fan Nish has scored 22 goals since signing from Kilmarnock in 2008, while Rankin racked up his 100th game for the club in February.
Thicot was signed by ex-boss Mixu Paatelainen but has failed to nail down a place in Calderwood's first team.
Lithuanian striker Trakys arrived in Leith last September but has yet to score. Calderwood has already freed Graeme Smith and told Kevin McBride, Kevin McCann and Kurtis Byrne they have no future at the club.

:tee hee:

:aok:

[Jonnyboy]

It's a training ground, not a social club. If they are not even going to be involved in the next few games then really there is little point in them hanging about East Mains. A total non-story from the Record.

:agree: 100%


:agree: On another page it has Eddie Turnbull as centre forward in the Famous Five and implies Jackie MacNamara was a Tornado.

Rag.

:agree: 100%

[Bostonhibby]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/hibernian/2011/05/03/four-hibs-stars-to-stay-away-from-club-after-colin-calderwood-informs-them-their-easter-road-careers-are-over-86908-23103768/

Bit OTT no?

I understand if their out no point in hanging around but he could have gave the players a chance to say goodbye especially as Nish is a Hibs fan and they havent done anything wrong other than be crap

Not good man management skills from CC here and a further worry about his methods for me

Only if the ******s right, can you imagine the line if Rantic had off loaded a few? maybe something along the lines of Uncle Walter or Neil make brave decision in the interests of the club?

In any other walk of life, a paid off employee who has a contractual notice period or an unexpired contract period is simply sent home on garden leave, probably what we have done here - they get paid to stay at home and do nothing.

I think the use of the word "ordered" is probably dramatisation by the Glasgow press or selective leaks by agents and I doubt they could actually attribute the word "ordered" to CC or anyone associated with Hibs.

[Mixu62]

What? A negative angle on a non-story about Hibs in the record? An we haven't even got a game against the huns coming up?! What is the world coming to?

[WeAreHibs]

thicot was at the game on saturday, sitting in the west executive seat. So obviously not banned from stadium

Did he not leave at half time ? Perhaps asked to leave ! :greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

Depends if you have decided you like the manager or not. The last one was by all accounts both a bully AND too pally.

Most bullies are insecure people who want to be liked. They try to make this happen by showing different behaviours at different times. If someone doesn't want to be their pal, or part of their circle of friends, then they can turn nasty.

Whether Yogi did that or not, I can't say, but he did seem like a guy that wanted to be liked, to me. Witness his toe curling performance at the derby after he was sacked. Waving to players as the warmed up, standing with a huge grin on his face trying to catch the attention of fans.

What is not in dispute is that he had a poor record over 12 months, and an alarming trend was developing. I don't just mean in results, but the way some of those results happened. Losing a four goal lead to Motherwell for example.

[GordonHFC]

From what I have heard, and it comes from someone directly linked to one of the 4 named individuals, is that CC has played everything by the book on this one and has been straight and up front with all concerned. Another DR made up story where putting 2 and 2 together will never make 4.

[Craig_in_Prague]

This also just confirms we're now so close to the end of the season.
And, Thank Donald Duck for that!

[Mikey]

I've just seen Nish head into ER for the sponsor's evening so he hasn't been banned from that!!

[KiddA]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/hibernian/2011/05/03/four-hibs-stars-to-stay-away-from-club-after-colin-calderwood-informs-them-their-easter-road-careers-are-over-86908-23103768/

Bit OTT no?

I understand if their out no point in hanging around but he could have gave the players a chance to say goodbye especially as Nish is a Hibs fan and they havent done anything wrong other than be crap

Not good man management skills from CC here and a further worry about his methods for me

In any other job if I was told that I was not needed and could leave with pay I would be more than happy too. This way I can look for a new job while getting paid at the same time.

[--------]

But the fact that we'll be swayed and influenced negatively by it says plenty about us and our discernment skills.


Indeed.

Some of us are so ready (anxious, even) to believe the worst about all aspects of the club I sometimes wonder why they're Hibs fans at all.

I was told the other day (on very good authority - the granny of a dustman who drinks in the same pub as the second cousin of the wee wumman who polishes the floor of the entrance concourse of the West Stand) that the real reason Stokes left was that Rod was planning to have all the players breathalysed before training, and those that failed the breathalyser would be given a dose of paraldehyde and get their stomachs pumped.

I mean to say... :rolleyes:

[pacorosssco]

Indeed.

Some of us are so ready (anxious, even) to believe the worst about all aspects of the club I sometimes wonder why they're Hibs fans at all.

I was told the other day (on very good authority - the granny of a dustman who drinks in the same pub as the second cousin of the wee wumman who polishes the floor of the entrance concourse of the West Stand) that the real reason Stokes left was that Rod was planning to have all the players breathalysed before training, and those that failed the breathalyser would be given a dose of paraldehyde and get their stomachs pumped.

I mean to say... :rolleyes:

This board is no better. The Story is in the news it relates to Hibs and is a matter of opinion and discussion. The usual suspects of Hibs net are no better than anyone and no one EVER has the right to question why we are fans.

I for one would not have my support for Hibs called into question on here as it is simply a discussion forum and not a club as some on here seem to think. I reserve the right to raise subjects for discussion and give my opinion on discussions without having to agree with the majority.

There is constant contradiction on this board and we will never all agree. Colin Calderwoods management skills are up for question in a good way and a bad and ones man way of dealing with a situation isnt an others. There is nothing to suggest so far we are moving on a positive direction.

It is good that players have a chance to move quickly to find another club but just as in work if you can negotiate an early exit it is nice to have the chance to say goodbye?

Other than give a news article for discussion this was my only point

It was raised as an open subject and my point is that particular in Nish's case. Did he not deserve to take a final bow in front of his teams fans(popular or not) at a game or maybe he did and we weren't told but regardless,It was a news story and was worth a discussion.

[aberhibsfc]

It's quite scary how often the media portray anyone at a club a 'Star'.

The players involved can't really be described as stars.

It also winds me up when they refer to Riordan as a Celtic star despite only being there for a short time and hardly playing. If a player has been anywhere near the Bigot Firm they are always referred to as their former stars as opposed to the clubs they've spent most of their playing careers at.

Another bug bear is just how indifferent the Scottish press are to players positions, the amount of times I've seen players at non-old firm clubs quoted as playing different playing positions beggers belief.

It all goes to show that anything non Glasgow should just be grateful of getting any coverage irrespective of accuracy.

I understand both clubs have massive supports but they are pandered to far too heavily. There are some other clubs in Scotland with big fan bases, but I guess through years of OF dominance and a unattractive football format their attendance has dropped off. But once bitten by their club, irrespective of attendance, they'd rather read about their own clubs. You only have to look at how Hibs could sell out Hampden to know that they are out there. But we are all treated with contempt.

[bruno]

Typical sensationalism from the Record.

I would have viewed it as sensible to give players extra time to find other clubs, but then again that's why they employ agents.

ICT last night showed that despite being told they were being released several players played, and played well, against the team going for the title. The winning goal was scored by someone who has been told he can go.

I think the mindset of players has a lot to do with how they react and while obviously not knowing these players in person perhaps they have had it too easy at the club. Terry Butcher commands and demand respect that a lot of players at both our clubs could do well to watch and learn.

[Golden Bear]

Typical sensationalism from the Record.

I would have viewed it as sensible to give players extra time to find other clubs, but then again that's why they employ agents.

ICT last night showed that despite being told they were being released several players played, and played well, against the team going for the title. The winning goal was scored by someone who has been told he can go.

I think the mindset of players has a lot to do with how they react and while obviously not knowing these players in person perhaps they have had it too easy at the club. Terry Butcher commands and demand respect that a lot of players at both our clubs could do well to watch and learn.

I'm in need of medication as I find myself agreeing 100% with a jambo.

:greengrin

[Cocaine&Caviar]

7364

How many from this image are left next season? 1?

[Hibrandenburg]

Fa*#&=g Daily Record. CC is the manager and so long as he has a six pack he can say to the players what he bloody well likes.

[aberhibsfc]

Fa*#&=g Daily Record. CC is the manager and so long as he has a six pack he can say to the players what he bloody well likes.

Talking of six packs, wonder if FJK has earned some respect (I know too far) down Piggery Park wheeling out his Beer Barrel.

The wee guy in your avatar looks awful like one of my kids friend at nursery, his Dad is a Hibby as far as I can tell. But like Jocky Wilson at closing time, I'll probably be well wide of the mark. I hope that didn't sound like a Graham Rix post.

[Dashing Bob S]

I'd be more concerned with the 5,000 Hibs fans who've put themselves on a self-imposed stay away from the club since the split.

[Frogga]

If they were told to stay away then why are most of them in the squad for Hamilton tomorrow (according to the BBC)?

[scoopyboy]

If they were told to stay away then why are most of them in the squad for Hamilton tomorrow (according to the BBC)?

Every week the BBC make up a squad, generally leaving out suspended players and long term injuries.

This is not a squad announced by the club.

Generally Hibs will take 19 players, 11 starters plus 7 subs plus a.n.other incase of injury / sickness.

[Hiber-nation]

If they were told to stay away then why are most of them in the squad for Hamilton tomorrow (according to the BBC)?

Because the BBC hardly update their Scottish football site now and the likes of Trakys and McCann feature in their "squad" every week. Even though they've never been in the same squad. Dire by the Beeb.

[Frogga]

Ah ok yeah that is pretty poor then!