Denise Bulger article in The Sun

[Steve-O]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3513407/Unmask-my-James-killers.html

One of the most ridiculous things I've ever read!

"Now we know that Venables even had sex with a social worker - the carer at the home where he was kept - just months before he was paroled. That shows he was warped and perverted even then, if he was prepared to have sex like that." :confused: 17 year old has sex with a woman who is supposed to be his carer and HE is perverted and warped? Eh ok. :rolleyes:

18 years on and she seems more obsessed with this need for 'justice' (which appears to be them being named, and probably killed) more than ever!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/article3496305.ece

This pish is almost just as bad. Will The Sun print some sort of celebration story if the name suppression is lifted and the pair of them are murdered by 'do gooding' vigilantes?

[Beefster]

I would say that it sounds like she needs to move on and get some professional counselling to help her do so but I wonder if it's gone way past that now.

[Steve-O]

I would say that it sounds like she needs to move on and get some professional counselling to help her do so but I wonder if it's gone way past that now.

She needs to concentrate more on her family that are actually alive, and also stop acting like the entire justice system and UK government are somehow out to 'punish' her.

[Allant1981]

Until any of us have been in her situation its hard to say she should be doing this or that. I have a 2 year old boy and i honestly dont know what i would be like if he was killed the way that young lad was killed, it must do something to you mentally. Very easy for us to speak from the outside. I agree though that the sun newspaper is just trying to stir things up

[bighairyfaeleith]

Until any of us have been in her situation its hard to say she should be doing this or that. I have a 2 year old boy and i honestly dont know what i would be like if he was killed the way that young lad was killed, it must do something to you mentally. Very easy for us to speak from the outside. I agree though that the sun newspaper is just trying to stir things up

:agree:

The sun is at it, and needs to stop exploiting this women for stories, can't say I'd ever stop wanting to kill anyone that harmed a kid of mine so hard to judge her really. I know from the outside that it looks like she should move on etc, just not sure I would be able to do so if I was in her shoes.

[Steve-O]

:agree:

The sun is at it, and needs to stop exploiting this women for stories, can't say I'd ever stop wanting to kill anyone that harmed a kid of mine so hard to judge her really. I know from the outside that it looks like she should move on etc, just not sure I would be able to do so if I was in her shoes.

What choice does she have? If she thinks a campaign by the Sun will get the authorities to remove the name suppression then she's crazy. She also claims that if that does happen she'll be able to get on with her life? I don't get that at all.

[Allant1981]

Steve, have you had a child taken from you and murdered? I hope not. If you havent then how can you say she should do this or that or how she should be feeling. As i said previously it is very easy for people on the outside ie you and i who have never had to deal with her situation to pass judgement

[Beefster]

Steve, have you had a child taken from you and murdered? I hope not. If you havent then how can you say she should do this or that or how she should be feeling. As i said previously it is very easy for people on the outside ie you and i who have never had to deal with her situation to pass judgement

I haven't lost a child but my family has had the horror of a young child being kidnapped, abused and murdered. Everyone reacts differently but my Aunt and Uncle, whilst distraught, conducted themselves with dignity and concentrated on ensuring their other kids were as untouched as possible by it. The guy wasn't caught for years either and went on to murder other kids.

That's why I said that I think she needs professional help as she's obviously struggling to deal with what happened and stop it from dominating her life.

[Twa Cairpets]

Steve, have you had a child taken from you and murdered? I hope not. If you havent then how can you say she should do this or that or how she should be feeling. As i said previously it is very easy for people on the outside ie you and i who have never had to deal with her situation to pass judgement

Yep, its a difficult one.

I knew someone (a work colleague of my Dad's), whose young daughter was murdered in a fairly high profile case some decades ago, and also had a small work relationship with someone who's child was killed at Dunblane.

The former had come to terms with it over time, and took the view that to destroy his own and his families life with grief, although it was keenly felt, would have done his daughters' memory a huge disservice. The latter was completely broken by the tragedy, left his work and I think essentially lost it totally. I dont know how he ended up.

I think the point is that as some people have said, it is almost impossible to pass judgement on someones actions or ability to "move on" in circumstances as rare an horrible as these. We might truly hope that for their and their families sake they are able to resurrect their lives into some semblance of normality, but that isnt to say they they have an obligation to do so.

[Jay]

Every time I see her I feel so sorry for her. These boys ruined her life, she is a very tortured soul. I agree with others that the Sun totally exploits her and needs to back off. I hope one day she will be able to let it go to a point of living the rest of her life with her other children without this being in the forefront all of the time. How that is even possible I cant imagine but it must be as other parents seem to have done so. Its like a crusade for her, maybe its how she gets through it, maybe its how she deals with the guilt she must feel herself but someone somewhere must have a better option for the poor woman.

[Dinkydoo]

"That shows he was warped and perverted even then, if he was prepared to have sex like that."
"All this after he'd had sex with a carer and was binge drinking, which they described as "normal".

Binge drinking and having sex is normal teenage behaviour. :confused:

"That's not too much to ask. But they never got a single day's punishment. They were rewarded for killing James. They both lived the life of Riley in a children's home, got a fine education, were taken on holidays and brainwashed into believing they were the victims. "

There is no doubt in my mind that the two once "little boys" who murdered James Bulger must have been victims or some sort of abuse themselves in order for them to be in such a perverted mindset that they could maim and sexually abuse another person.

I appreciate that she isn't going to feel this is any consolation what so ever (and why should she) but if you're constantly in the 'limelight' and giving your opinion - she is only giving her opinion after all - then you're obviously going to be left open for criticism by someone who thinks otherwise (It's been no different for the McCann's).

I hope she recieves the help she needs to move on.

[Sir David Gray]

Being so obsessed with Venables and Thompson is probably not doing her any good and I'm sure psychologists would confirm that.

However, I can totally understand why she is acting the way she is. I'm not one for shedding a lot of tears but whenever I read the events from that day, I get really upset, so I can't begin to imagine how his mother must be feeling when she replays all that in her head. It's probably enough to drive a lot of people over the edge.

What these two did to James Bulger was truly wicked and the fact that they were capable of doing all that, and thinking it all up as well, when they were just children themselves at the time makes it even worse.

I can't honestly put my hand on my heart and say that if I was in Denise Fergus' position that I wouldn't be acting exactly the same way. Jon Venables and Robert Thompson didn't just kill James Bulger that day - they effectively ended his mother's life as well.

[Pretty Boy]

Would i be terribly wrong to think that the way The Sun has given so much 'support' to Denise Fergus and her campaign is nothing more than a cynical and calculated attempt to restore it's credibility and regain it's dwindling readership in Merseyside after it was totally shattered by the allegations and untruths printed after Hillsoborough?

[essexhibee]

Would i be terribly wrong to think that the way The Sun has given so much 'support' to Denise Fergus and her campaign is nothing more than a cynical and calculated attempt to restore it's credibility and regain it's dwindling readership in Merseyside after it was totally shattered by the allegations and untruths printed after Hillsoborough?

I think your right mate. Great point.

That grainy cctv image has to be one of the most chilling photos.

[bighairyfaeleith]

Would i be terribly wrong to think that the way The Sun has given so much 'support' to Denise Fergus and her campaign is nothing more than a cynical and calculated attempt to restore it's credibility and regain it's dwindling readership in Merseyside after it was totally shattered by the allegations and untruths printed after Hillsoborough?

Nope the sun doesnt even get stocked in most newsagents in liverpool. Horrible horrible newspaper, but lets be honest the whole newspaper industry is bad and the sun are not the only ones guilty of this practice.

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[Dashing Bob S]

What happened to the Bulger family was revolting and tragic beyond comprehension, and no family should ever have to go through that horror.

Denise Bulger is clearly suffering from some form of untreated post-traumatic shock and the poor woman is (justifiably) out of her mind.

She is being exploited by this vile publication in the most evil and underhanded way, and has become the modern equivalent of a Victorian freakshow in order that this rag sells copies.

[Greentinted]

What happened to the Bulger family was revolting and tragic beyond comprehension, and no family should ever have to go through that horror.

Denis Bulger is clearly suffering from some form of untreated post-traumatic shock and the poor woman is (justifiably) out of her mind.

She is being exploited by this vile publication in the most evil and underhanded way, and has become the modern equivalent of a Victorian freakshow in order that this rag sells copies.

Pretty much nails it Bob. :agree:

[--------]

What happened to the Bulger family was revolting and tragic beyond comprehension, and no family should ever have to go through that horror.

Denis Bulger is clearly suffering from some form of untreated post-traumatic shock and the poor woman is (justifiably) out of her mind.

She is being exploited by this vile publication in the most evil and underhanded way, and has become the modern equivalent of a Victorian freakshow in order that this rag sells copies.


Couldn't say it better, Bob. :agree:

[Hibby D]

Who are we to say how anyone should act following the death of a child, not least the cold and calculating murder this wee boy had to endure.

I've had the privilege of watching my two sons grow into fine young men; something I'm grateful for every single day of my life.

Denise Fergus doesn't get that privilege with James. Every single day of her life is tainted by horrendous memories and I can't come even come close to imagining what that must be like for her.

I do know however that it would take character I don't posess to be able to find the coping skills required to forgive, never mind accept, if someone had taken either of my boys from me in such a manner, and I too would make it my life's work to make sure the murderers were never allowed to live a life of anonymity. Anything less would feel disrespectful to my sons memory. Almost like I was giving up on him.

As for The Sun - a vile rag of a paper but to Denise Fergus a lifeline in terms of keeping the horrors of her sons murder, and its impact on her and her family's lives, from fading into the anals of history.

I can't be angry at her. I can't even be mildly pissed off at what some seem to see as a lack of dignity on her part. Who'd be in her shoes?

[Hibrandenburg]

Who are we to say how anyone should act following the death of a child, not least the cold and calculating murder this wee boy had to endure.

I've had the privilege of watching my two sons grow into fine young men; something I'm grateful for every single day of my life.

Denise Fergus doesn't get that privilege with James. Every single day of her life is tainted by horrendous memories and I can't come even come close to imagining what that must be like for her.

I do know however that it would take character I don't posess to be able to find the coping skills required to forgive, never mind accept, if someone had taken either of my boys from me in such a manner, and I too would make it my life's work to make sure the murderers were never allowed to live a life of anonymity. Anything less would feel disrespectful to my sons memory. Almost like I was giving up on him.

As for The Sun - a vile rag of a paper but to Denise Fergus a lifeline in terms of keeping the horrors of her sons murder, and its impact on her and her family's lives, from fading into the anals of history.

I can't be angry at her. I can't even be mildly pissed off at what some seem to see as a lack of dignity on her part. Who'd be in her shoes?
Excellent post D. I didn't just read it, I felt it.

[lapsedhibee]

I do know however that it would take character I don't posess to be able to find the coping skills required to forgive, never mind accept, if someone had taken either of my boys from me in such a manner, and I too would make it my life's work to make sure the murderers were never allowed to live a life of anonymity. Anything less would feel disrespectful to my sons memory. Almost like I was giving up on him.
Well put. :agree:


Excellent post D. I didn't just read it, I felt it.
Macar alert.

[Steve-O]

Who are we to say how anyone should act following the death of a child, not least the cold and calculating murder this wee boy had to endure.

I've had the privilege of watching my two sons grow into fine young men; something I'm grateful for every single day of my life.

Denise Fergus doesn't get that privilege with James. Every single day of her life is tainted by horrendous memories and I can't come even come close to imagining what that must be like for her.

I do know however that it would take character I don't posess to be able to find the coping skills required to forgive, never mind accept, if someone had taken either of my boys from me in such a manner, and I too would make it my life's work to make sure the murderers were never allowed to live a life of anonymity. Anything less would feel disrespectful to my sons memory. Almost like I was giving up on him.

As for The Sun - a vile rag of a paper but to Denise Fergus a lifeline in terms of keeping the horrors of her sons murder, and its impact on her and her family's lives, from fading into the anals of history.

I can't be angry at her. I can't even be mildly pissed off at what some seem to see as a lack of dignity on her part. Who'd be in her shoes?

I just can't think there is any benefit for her, or her family, that this is the case though?

Nobody is asking her to forget James, but I can't imagine thinking about the killers and continuously saying "what about me?" every week in The Sun is helping anyone? (Other than The Sun circulation anyway).

I'm not saying how she should act, I'm just giving a view on how she IS acting.

[bighairyfaeleith]

I just can't think there is any benefit for her, or her family, that this is the case though?

Nobody is asking her to forget James, but I can't imagine thinking about the killers and continuously saying "what about me?" every week in The Sun is helping anyone? (Other than The Sun circulation anyway).

I'm not saying how she should act, I'm just giving a view on how she IS acting.

Your right, from the outside that is exactly the right advice. Unfortunately it's just not that simple though. That said I hope she does find a way to move on, I'm sure her boy would want her to enjoy the rest of her life rather than keep going over what happened.

[McSwanky]

Who still buys the Sun? I find it remarkable that anyone thinks it's worth spending any money on at all.

Complete rag of a 'news'paper, and it says a lot about British society that so many people buy it every day (a quick check on Wikipedia says nearly £3m sales in GB and Ireland? Madness.)

[Steve-O]

Who still buys the Sun? I find it remarkable that anyone thinks it's worth spending any money on at all.

Complete rag of a 'news'paper, and it says a lot about British society that so many people buy it every day (a quick check on Wikipedia says nearly £3m sales in GB and Ireland? Madness.)

I read the online edition so I buy nothing!

Although, I can't actually buy it here so...

It's good for a laugh a lot of the time, although some of it's stories, like this one, test my patience!

[Phil D. Rolls]

"That shows he was warped and perverted even then, if he was prepared to have sex like that."
"All this after he'd had sex with a carer and was binge drinking, which they described as "normal".

Binge drinking and having sex is normal teenage behaviour. :confused:

"That's not too much to ask. But they never got a single day's punishment. They were rewarded for killing James. They both lived the life of Riley in a children's home, got a fine education, were taken on holidays and brainwashed into believing they were the victims. "

There is no doubt in my mind that the two once "little boys" who murdered James Bulger must have been victims or some sort of abuse themselves in order for them to be in such a perverted mindset that they could maim and sexually abuse another person.

I appreciate that she isn't going to feel this is any consolation what so ever (and why should she) but if you're constantly in the 'limelight' and giving your opinion - she is only giving her opinion after all - then you're obviously going to be left open for criticism by someone who thinks otherwise (It's been no different for the McCann's).

I hope she recieves the help she needs to move on.

Yes, but having sex with a social worker that's beyond the pail surely? The lad could have grown up thinking that it was OK for women not to wear fake tan and false eye lashes.

Where is that going to lead if these pinkos can inflict their vile values on society? I'm feeling sick as I type this.

As for Denise, it's time she was ignored. She has nothing more to tell us, and there are many much better ways for her to move her life on. As for the Sun, and its readers - exploitation. Circus freak show is the right description.

[Dinkydoo]

Yes, but having sex with a social worker that's beyond the pail surely? The lad could have grown up thinking that it was OK for women not to wear fake tan and false eye lashes.

Where is that going to lead if these pinkos can inflict their vile values on society? I'm feeling sick as I type this.

As for Denise, it's time she was ignored. She has nothing more to tell us, and there are many much better ways for her to move her life on. As for the Sun, and its readers - exploitation. Circus freak show is the right description.

I don't disagree that there is something wrong with a young teenager having sex with a social worker but in any other situation where a student for example, has consenting sex with a teacher, it is always the teacher who is charged, branded a pervert and loses their job - the "child" isn't really punished at all.

The point I was trying to make was it's normal behaviour for a tennage lad to want to have sex and binge drink and whether Denise likes it or not the social worker must accept most of the responsibility as they were supposed to be the adult, in a position of trust and care.

Denise Bulger doesn't seem to be applying any logic to the conclusions she's drawing here and that is what I was being slightly critical of.

The Sun are guilty of exploitation here but Denise does need to move on or at least learn how to not chase after the proverbial carrot that this rag of a newspaper seems to continually dangle in front of her face.

Edit: think I may have misunderstood your post FR........although I've not got time to wait for a reply, jury service beckons

[Phil D. Rolls]

I don't disagree that there is something wrong with a young teenager having sex with a social worker but in any other situation where a student for example, has consenting sex with a teacher, it is always the teacher who is charged, branded a pervert and loses their job - the "child" isn't really punished at all.

The point I was trying to make was it's normal behaviour for a tennage lad to want to have sex and binge drink and whether Denise likes it or not the social worker must accept most of the responsibility as they were supposed to be the adult, in a position of trust and care.

Denise Bulger doesn't seem to be applying any logic to the conclusions she's drawing here and that is what I was being slightly critical of.

The Sun are guilty of exploitation here but Denise does need to move on or at least learn how to not chase after the proverbial carrot that this rag of a newspaper seems to continually dangle in front of her face.

Edit: think I may have misunderstood your post FR........although I've not got time to wait for a reply, jury service beckons

It was a poor joke, based on prejudices against social workers that I think The Sun might have been playing on for extra titillation. I agree with you 100% about the way the Sun is using this poor woman.

How anyone gets over a thing like her son's murder I don't know. I don't think The Sun is helping at all.

Hope jury service goes well, and that the guy get's hanged, as he almost certainly did whatever he is on trial for. :greengrin

[Dinkydoo]

It was a poor joke, based on prejudices against social workers that I think The Sun might have been playing on for extra titillation. I agree with you 100% about the way the Sun is using this poor woman.

How anyone gets over a thing like her son's murder I don't know. I don't think The Sun is helping at all.

Hope jury service goes well, and that the guy get's hanged, as he almost certainly did whatever he is on trial for. :greengrin

Ah, I see - it was totally over my head :greengrin

Sent away from Court after waiting for almost an hour - apparently a case earlier in the day dragged on - so i'll be back again tomorrow.

A strangely diverse group of potential jurors though, strange enough to make you wonder how 'random' the selection process is.....

Edit: Apologies to the OP for going off topic.