Louis Theroux

[Betty Boop]

Lois Theroux meets the Ultra Zionists, tonight on BBC2 at nine. Should be interesting ! :greengrin

[(((Fergus)))]

Should be worth a watch as will the one where he's chilling with the Army of Islam in Gaza. :greengrin

Just kidding. :wink:

[Betty Boop]

Should be worth a watch as will the one where he's chilling with the Army of Islam in Gaza. :greengrin

Just kidding. :wink:

Of course you are ! :na na:

[Woody1985]

I'll give this a watch. Louis is good.

[Woody1985]

Both as sad as each other.

[DaveF]

I only caught a wee glimpse of it here and there but that guy Daniel certainly did his best impression of an arrogant "I'm a superior being than you" horrible person.

[One Day Soon]

Absolutely no chance of resolving that situation sensibly. I watched that and despaired of human beings. The bigotted meet the blinded in spectacular head-on slow motion repeat car crash day after day after day. Awful.

Having said that the ultra-zionists come over way, way worse. Yer man Daniel was a particularly horrendous and dangerous individual. "It's either this or we go back to the gas ovens". Give us a farquing break - THAT line is way played out.

[bighairyfaeleith]

Absolutely no chance of resolving that situation sensibly. I watched that and despaired of human beings. The bigotted meet the blinded in spectacular head-on slow motion repeat car crash day after day after day. Awful.

Having said that the ultra-zionists come over way, way worse. Yer man Daniel was a particularly horrendous and dangerous individual. "It's either this or we go back to the gas ovens". Give us a farquing break - THAT line is way played out.

I don't know much about the whole thing but its hard to believe that all these choobs are fighting over a bit of land that featured in a great big fairy-tale. I tell you religion has a lot to answer for!!!

[Betty Boop]

I only caught a wee glimpse of it here and there but that guy Daniel certainly did his best impression of an arrogant "I'm a superior being than you" horrible person.

His eyes were like cash machines. My heart goes out to the Palestinians.

[One Day Soon]

His eyes were like cash machines. My heart goes out to the Palestinians.

Yes, yes they were. Unbridled ambition meets zero compassion.

[Toaods]

anyone spot the wee lad wearing his Celtic top...:greengrin

[One Day Soon]

anyone spot the wee lad wearing his Celtic top...:greengrin

As if it wasn't bad enough, a Celtc supporter in the middle of it all. Can't they all just unite against him?

[Pete]

anyone spot the wee lad wearing his Celtic top...:greengrin

For gods sake!

I'm sure Celtic charter flights full of brown kids in their tops to all the trouble-spots in the name of product placement.

It's a matter of time before one is spotted in Egypt.

[GhostofBolivar]

I'll give this a watch. Louis is good.

I find he can be a bit hit and miss.

His schtick involves him acting like a gormless idiot who knows nothing. Because he acts naive, his subjects tend to trust him and open up. The trouble is, that he acts as a vessel for the viewer's own ignorance of the subject matter. If the viewer knows anything about the world Theroux is going into, he can be a bit annoying.

The programme he did about the street drugs trade in Philadelphia's a good example of this. That was a world that was instantly familiar to anyone who'd watched The Wire, but Theroux wandered around like he had no idea what was going on.

[Lucius Apuleius]

I have a South African working for me here called Louis Theroux. Doesn't look anything like the "real" one though....:greengrin

[khib70]

His eyes were like cash machines. My heart goes out to the Palestinians.
Absolutely. Good description. Going on about gas ovens while acting and talking like a Nazi, without ever seeing the irony. A horrible individual.Unfortunately, horrible individuals exist in every race and nation.

People like him are in no way representative of majority opinion in Israel, however. Any more than holocaust deniers and suicide bombers are representative of Palestinians.

However, as long as the government tolerates their zealotry and endorses their settlement building, they will be a major obstacle to peace.

Louis does have a Borat-like talent for using feigned igonorance to bring the worst out of the worst people. Though I still think Nick Broomfield's film on Eugene Terreblanche was the champ in this respect.

[Woody1985]

I find he can be a bit hit and miss.

His schtick involves him acting like a gormless idiot who knows nothing. Because he acts naive, his subjects tend to trust him and open up. The trouble is, that he acts as a vessel for the viewer's own ignorance of the subject matter. If the viewer knows anything about the world Theroux is going into, he can be a bit annoying.

The programme he did about the street drugs trade in Philadelphia's a good example of this. That was a world that was instantly familiar to anyone who'd watched The Wire, but Theroux wandered around like he had no idea what was going on.

Whilst I agree on how he acts I think that's how he is able to uncover stuff.

If he acted with prejudice and made assumptions when talking to people he wouldn't get very far and ultimately wouldn't be any point in the programme if we already know it all.

Take the guy on last nights programme for example, he asked whether the fires were intended to harm Palestinians and the guy ended the interview, or it was cut like that after what he said but you get my point.

[Woody1985]

His eyes were like cash machines. My heart goes out to the Palestinians.

Were you more concerned about him being a slimey ******* or his prejudice.

There are guys like him all over the world who will get involved in markets that effectively rush people out their homes for money.

The whole stuff with those flats is murky and the truth will lie somewhere in the middle.

No doubt that some Israelies want to push people out and he's a front. It's also likely that the Palestinians who sell may need the money and sell up.

For all the animosity and posturing and if there's so much hatred it begs the question for me... if those flats were lying empty for a month, why weren't they trashed or burnt down?

They're all full of **** imo.

[Betty Boop]

Were you more concerned about him being a slimey ******* or his prejudice.

There are guys like him all over the world who will get involved in markets that effectively rush people out their homes for money.

The whole stuff with those flats is murky and the truth will lie somewhere in the middle.

No doubt that some Israelies want to push people out and he's a front. It's also likely that the Palestinians who sell may need the money and sell up.

For all the animosity and posturing and if there's so much hatred it begs the question for me... if those flats were lying empty for a month, why weren't they trashed or burnt down?

They're all full of **** imo.

So you keep saying ! :greengrin

[Woody1985]

So you keep saying ! :greengrin

It may be a little unfair to say this (as you never answered my question) but it seems like you've taken the view point that he's a money grabbing ****bag based on his religious tendancies rather than him just being a ****bag with low morals in general.

I was a little disappointed in the programme as I was expecting hard core zionists. These were the odd guys dotted around the country side with their own personal views. It may give thought on how the general population think but it was pretty tame.

[khib70]

It may be a little unfair to say this (as you never answered my question) but it seems like you've taken the view point that he's a money grabbing ****bag based on his religious tendancies rather than him just being a ****bag with low morals in general.
I was a little disappointed in the programme as I was expecting hard core zionists. These were the odd guys dotted around the country side with their own personal views. It may give thought on how the general population think but it was pretty tame.
Betty doesn't need a lawyer, and she wouldn't hire me anyway, but I have to say the bit in bold doesn't relate to anything she's actually posted. This guy is a shark exploiting the situation for profit and could be found in any society or religious group.

Ultra Zionism isn't a "religious tendency" it's a racist one, which uses religion, without much sensible scriptural justification, to attempt to gain legitimacy. Just like the Christian Zionist loonies who support Israel because of some apocalyptic nonsense, these people are unrepresentative of Israelis, and Jews. Theroux set out to make a programme about extremists,as its tile clearly indicates, not about concensus politics, and in that he achieved his aim.

If he went to Gaza to do a documentary about Islamic extremists and interviewed suicide bombers and holocaust deniers, that would be fair enough, provided he didn't represent them as typical of Palestinians in general.

[Betty Boop]

It may be a little unfair to say this (as you never answered my question) but it seems like you've taken the view point that he's a money grabbing ****bag based on his religious tendancies rather than him just being a ****bag with low morals in general.

I was a little disappointed in the programme as I was expecting hard core zionists. These were the odd guys dotted around the country side with their own personal views. It may give thought on how the general population think but it was pretty tame.

Are you being serious ? Daniel is lower than a snake's belly, a cold fish with not an iota of compassion in his body. He has bought that property, with the sole aim of forcing the rest of the Palestinian community out, or else their lives will be even more miserable than they are now. Their shops have all been closed by the authorities, and stamped with the Star of David, while they have to access another area to buy anything, then go through a checkpoint to get back. Don't get me started on the guided tours of an Arab quarter. Shameful !

[Betty Boop]

Betty doesn't need a lawyer, and she wouldn't hire me anyway, but I have to say the bit in bold doesn't relate to anything she's actually posted. This guy is a shark exploiting the situation for profit and could be found in any society or religious group.

Ultra Zionism isn't a "religious tendency" it's a racist one, which uses religion, without much sensible scriptural justification, to attempt to gain legitimacy. Just like the Christian Zionist loonies who support Israel because of some apocalyptic nonsense, these people are unrepresentative of Israelis, and Jews. Theroux set out to make a programme about extremists,as its tile clearly indicates, not about concensus politics, and in that he achieved his aim.

If he went to Gaza to do a documentary about Islamic extremists and interviewed suicide bombers and holocaust deniers, that would be fair enough, provided he didn't represent them as typical of Palestinians in general.

I don't know about that, you seem to be very honest. :greengrin

[One Day Soon]

Are you being serious ? Daniel is lower than a snake's belly, a cold fish with not an iota of compassion in his body. He has bought that property, with the sole aim of forcing the rest of the Palestinian community out, or else their lives will be even more miserable than they are now. Their shops have all been closed by the authorities, and stamped with the Star of David, while they have to access another area to buy anything, then go through a checkpoint to get back. Don't get me started on the guided tours of an Arab quarter. Shameful !

The most disgusting part was the preparation for the series of visits to the newly 'reclaimed' property in the Arabic quarter. The Arab neighbour's future was obviously neither a happy nor a sustainable one in his home and there was something about the plan for the visits and the utterly unconcerned way it was being discussed which put me in mind of Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List.

[Sir David Gray]

I just watched this on the iPlayer a little while ago and I found it to be a fascinating programme.

I wasn't shocked by any of it but some of the programme did make for difficult viewing.

I think those Jews who have decided to stay put in areas where their presence is deemed to be illegal have shown quite a lot of courage by sticking to their principles and their faith. I wholeheartedly agree that they have a right to be there, as Judea and Samaria forms part of the homeland for the Jewish people.

A lot of people don't like that but to me it is true and although I don't always necessarily agree with some of the ways that the Israelis go about exerting their authority, I would always reject any claims that the Jewish settlers are doing anything wrong by staying in those areas.

My main concern in the whole Middle East conflict always has been, and always will be, the safety and security of Israel and I would not want to see anything happen that may jeopardise that. In my opinion, the creation of a sovereign majority Muslim Palestinian state would be disastrous for Israel.

Make no mistake, Hamas and the other Palestinian terrorist groups will not be content with going back to pre-1967 borders, despite what they might say at the moment. I completely agree with what someone said at the start of the programme which was, if the Palestinians ever get their wish of an independent Palestine, they'll keep pushing for more and more. Their sole aim and the main reason for their existence is the eventual destruction of the State of Israel and they'll never be happy until that ultimate aim is achieved.

I wonder if Louis Theroux will be doing a second episode, looking at the views of the Palestinian extremists. It would only be right if he did so, in the interests of BBC impartiality and balanced reporting.

I'll be keeping a look out for it...

[Beefster]

I just watched this on the iPlayer a little while ago and I found it to be a fascinating programme.

I wasn't shocked by any of it but some of the programme did make for difficult viewing.

I think those Jews who have decided to stay put in areas where their presence is deemed to be illegal have shown quite a lot of courage by sticking to their principles and their faith. I wholeheartedly agree that they have a right to be there, as Judea and Samaria forms part of the homeland for the Jewish people.

A lot of people don't like that but to me it is true and although I don't always necessarily agree with some of the ways that the Israelis go about exerting their authority, I would always reject any claims that the Jewish settlers are doing anything wrong by staying in those areas.

My main concern in the whole Middle East conflict always has been, and always will be, the safety and security of Israel and I would not want to see anything happen that may jeopardise that. In my opinion, the creation of a sovereign majority Muslim Palestinian state would be disastrous for Israel.

Make no mistake, Hamas and the other Palestinian terrorist groups will not be content with going back to pre-1967 borders, despite what they might say at the moment. I completely agree with what someone said at the start of the programme which was, if the Palestinians ever get their wish of an independent Palestine, they'll keep pushing for more and more. Their sole aim and the main reason for their existence is the eventual destruction of the State of Israel and they'll never be happy until that ultimate aim is achieved.

I wonder if Louis Theroux will be doing a second episode, looking at the views of the Palestinian extremists. It would only be right if he did so, in the interests of BBC impartiality and balanced reporting.

I'll be keeping a look out for it...

Berwick used to be part of Scotland. Do I have a right to set up a settlement that contravenes international law, stop anyone English coming near it and attack them if they do?

You don't have a very high opinion of Palestinians, Arabs or Muslims, do you?

[Betty Boop]

I just watched this on the iPlayer a little while ago and I found it to be a fascinating programme.

I wasn't shocked by any of it but some of the programme did make for difficult viewing.

I think those Jews who have decided to stay put in areas where their presence is deemed to be illegal have shown quite a lot of courage by sticking to their principles and their faith. I wholeheartedly agree that they have a right to be there, as Judea and Samaria forms part of the homeland for the Jewish people.

A lot of people don't like that but to me it is true and although I don't always necessarily agree with some of the ways that the Israelis go about exerting their authority, I would always reject any claims that the Jewish settlers are doing anything wrong by staying in those areas.

My main concern in the whole Middle East conflict always has been, and always will be, the safety and security of Israel and I would not want to see anything happen that may jeopardise that. In my opinion, the creation of a sovereign majority Muslim Palestinian state would be disastrous for Israel.

Make no mistake, Hamas and the other Palestinian terrorist groups will not be content with going back to pre-1967 borders, despite what they might say at the moment. I completely agree with what someone said at the start of the programme which was, if the Palestinians ever get their wish of an independent Palestine, they'll keep pushing for more and more. Their sole aim and the main reason for their existence is the eventual destruction of the State of Israel and they'll never be happy until that ultimate aim is achieved.

I wonder if Louis Theroux will be doing a second episode, looking at the views of the Palestinian extremists. It would only be right if he did so, in the interests of BBC impartiality and balanced reporting.

I'll be keeping a look out for it...

Why don't you just be honest, and admit you support ethnic cleansing.

[khib70]

I just watched this on the iPlayer a little while ago and I found it to be a fascinating programme.

I wasn't shocked by any of it but some of the programme did make for difficult viewing.

I think those Jews who have decided to stay put in areas where their presence is deemed to be illegal have shown quite a lot of courage by sticking to their principles and their faith. I wholeheartedly agree that they have a right to be there, as Judea and Samaria forms part of the homeland for the Jewish people.

A lot of people don't like that but to me it is true and although I don't always necessarily agree with some of the ways that the Israelis go about exerting their authority, I would always reject any claims that the Jewish settlers are doing anything wrong by staying in those areas.

My main concern in the whole Middle East conflict always has been, and always will be, the safety and security of Israel and I would not want to see anything happen that may jeopardise that. In my opinion, the creation of a sovereign majority Muslim Palestinian state would be disastrous for Israel.

Make no mistake, Hamas and the other Palestinian terrorist groups will not be content with going back to pre-1967 borders, despite what they might say at the moment. I completely agree with what someone said at the start of the programme which was, if the Palestinians ever get their wish of an independent Palestine, they'll keep pushing for more and more. Their sole aim and the main reason for their existence is the eventual destruction of the State of Israel and they'll never be happy until that ultimate aim is achieved.

I wonder if Louis Theroux will be doing a second episode, looking at the views of the Palestinian extremists. It would only be right if he did so, in the interests of BBC impartiality and balanced reporting.

I'll be keeping a look out for it...

Referring to the first bit in bold. The settlers of whom you speak have expropriated their neighbours, are armed to the teeth, and are well capable of harassing any Palestinians within range. None of this appears to me to have much to do with the Jewish faith, or with any kind of principle.

The idea that "Judea and Samaria forms part of the homeland of the Jewish people" is based on selective analysis of scripture, and not on anything in the real world of today. Basically "Judea and Samaria" is anywhere settlers want to live. This is pretty much the argument for the Nazi annexation of the Sudetenland, Luxembourg and other huge tracts of Europe they claimed formed part of some mythical German "heimat".

As to the second bit in bold, I share your concern, and share your scepticism about a one-state solution. However I totally disagree with your analysis. There is nothing that threatens the safety and security of Israel more than the continuing Biblical expansionism that is the settlement policy. There should be an unequivocal freeze on outposts and settlements and a complete removal of outposts at the very least. The presence and attitudes of the settlers is totally inimical to any prospects of a just two-state resolution.

I may be wrong, but I suspect your support for the extremes of Zionism is based on some kind of wacky Christian apocalyptic thing, as are a number of ostensibly Israel supporting websites and Facebook groups. I also suspect that a small but effective of the harder-line settlers aren't even Jewish, but are provocateurs with the same agenda as yourself.

To seek peace, rather than territorial expansion, is not anti-Jewish, and indeed much more in line with the ideals of Israel's founders than the settlement policy.
(Fans of certain revisionist historians will obviously disagree here). Whatever one believes their motives to be, the founders did not create Israel to fulfill some Christian prophecy about the return to the Promised land, and whatever other nonsense was spouted by the raving lunatic who wrote the Book of Revelations.

As Betty says, the settlement policy is ethnic cleansing by another name and while more pernicious and less immediately violent, no different from what the Janjawid were doing in Darfur, or the Chetniks and Ustase in Bosnia.

[hibsbollah]

To be fair to FH, he's always been totally consistant in that biblical interpretation is what drives his views on the Israel-Palestine issue. Rationalism and political debate doesnt really come into it. Which isnt an attempt to 'have a go' at his fundamentalist faith at all, but thats the reality.

[bighairyfaeleith]

This is why I'm a humanist, seriously religion and the whole idea of it is just loopy:agree:

Each to there own and all that, but the trouble with religion is that everyone always wants people to follow theres to prove there right.

Heres a question though, if there was no religion and god(s), would we just find something else to fight about?

[khib70]

To be fair to FH, he's always been totally consistant in that biblical interpretation is what drives his views on the Israel-Palestine issue. Rationalism and political debate doesnt really come into it. Which isnt an attempt to 'have a go' at his fundamentalist faith at all, but thats the reality.
:agree:Yes, I know

But isn't that, ironically, a pretty good description of an Islamist?

So many things in life are circular:rolleyes:

[(((Fergus)))]

This is why I'm a humanist, seriously religion and the whole idea of it is just loopy:agree:

Each to there own and all that, but the trouble with religion is that everyone always wants people to follow theres to prove there right.

That's not entirely true, many religions do not proselytise at all, although Islam and Christianity obviously have done very heavily and continue to do so in places. I do tend to agree with your reasoning for their proselytising.


Heres a question though, if there was no religion and god(s), would we just find something else to fight about?

Do any of us agree on anything all of the time? We don't have to fight about it, but there will always be differences between us, thank Gd. :wink:

[bighairyfaeleith]

That's not entirely true, many religions do not proselytise at all, although Islam and Christianity obviously have done very heavily and continue to do so in places. I do tend to agree with your reasoning for their proselytising.



Do any of us agree on anything all of the time? We don't have to fight about it, but there will always be differences between us, thank Gd. :wink:

Yeah ok the word always was probably wrong:wink:

Your right, we don't have to fight at all, I'm just wondering if religion is the excuse to fight or if fighting is caused by religion.

[Beefster]

This is why I'm a humanist, seriously religion and the whole idea of it is just loopy:agree:

Each to there own and all that, but the trouble with religion is that everyone always wants people to follow theres to prove there right.

Heres a question though, if there was no religion and god(s), would we just find something else to fight about?

You'll probably find that the vast majority of people that believe in God (or something similar) don't actually care what religion every one else follows. Folk with true belief in something don't feel the need to prove to doubters that the belief is justified.

Edit: the point had probably been made already.

[(((Fergus)))]

Yeah ok the word always was probably wrong:wink:

Your right, we don't have to fight at all, I'm just wondering if religion is the excuse to fight or if fighting is caused by religion.

I was agreeing with you on the last point: people who want a fight will fight about anything - ask anyone who's married. Maybe because religion is to do with the less trivial things in life, people's buttons get pushed more, however each individual is responsible for having those buttons in the first place. "Atheists" also get their knickers in a twist about religion or spiritual matters, so it is by no means limited to "believers".

[magpie1892]

"Atheists" also get their knickers in a twist about religion or spiritual matters, so it is by no means limited to "believers".

Do they? Bit of a generalisation there. Bit like saying all muslims are terrorists.

[bighairyfaeleith]

I was agreeing with you on the last point: people who want a fight will fight about anything - ask anyone who's married. Maybe because religion is to do with the less trivial things in life, people's buttons get pushed more, however each individual is responsible for having those buttons in the first place. "Atheists" also get their knickers in a twist about religion or spiritual matters, so it is by no means limited to "believers".

No we dinnae yah bigoted bstard ye:grr:

[Twa Cairpets]

I was agreeing with you on the last point: people who want a fight will fight about anything - ask anyone who's married. Maybe because religion is to do with the less trivial things in life, people's buttons get pushed more, however each individual is responsible for having those buttons in the first place. "Atheists" also get their knickers in a twist about religion or spiritual matters, so it is by no means limited to "believers".

Why have atheists in inverted commas? My knickers are entirely untwisted, but I find the subject interesting and good to debate.

Most people have, as you say, "buttons that can get pushed" I'd venture to suggest that when the pressing occurs as a result of religious belief and it leads to some of the stances taken by many individuals in the Theorux programme thats not a healthy thing.

[(((Fergus)))]

Do they? Bit of a generalisation there. Bit like saying all muslims are terrorists.


Why have atheists in inverted commas? My knickers are entirely untwisted, but I find the subject interesting and good to debate.

Most people have, as you say, "buttons that can get pushed" I'd venture to suggest that when the pressing occurs as a result of religious belief and it leads to some of the stances taken by many individuals in the Theorux programme thats not a healthy thing.

:not worth

[AgentDaleCooper]

I just watched this on the iPlayer a little while ago and I found it to be a fascinating programme.

I wasn't shocked by any of it but some of the programme did make for difficult viewing.

I think those Jews who have decided to stay put in areas where their presence is deemed to be illegal have shown quite a lot of courage by sticking to their principles and their faith. I wholeheartedly agree that they have a right to be there, as Judea and Samaria forms part of the homeland for the Jewish people.

A lot of people don't like that but to me it is true and although I don't always necessarily agree with some of the ways that the Israelis go about exerting their authority, I would always reject any claims that the Jewish settlers are doing anything wrong by staying in those areas.

My main concern in the whole Middle East conflict always has been, and always will be, the safety and security of Israel and I would not want to see anything happen that may jeopardise that. In my opinion, the creation of a sovereign majority Muslim Palestinian state would be disastrous for Israel.

Make no mistake, Hamas and the other Palestinian terrorist groups will not be content with going back to pre-1967 borders, despite what they might say at the moment. I completely agree with what someone said at the start of the programme which was, if the Palestinians ever get their wish of an independent Palestine, they'll keep pushing for more and more. Their sole aim and the main reason for their existence is the eventual destruction of the State of Israel and they'll never be happy until that ultimate aim is achieved.

I wonder if Louis Theroux will be doing a second episode, looking at the views of the Palestinian extremists. It would only be right if he did so, in the interests of BBC impartiality and balanced reporting.

I'll be keeping a look out for it...
out of curiosity, are you in some position to be so sure of these things you purport as facts?

i know this is going to sound 'abusive', but i have a hunch that you don't, and as much as i shouldn't care about what someone else posts on a message board, i do find the authoritativeness of your tone on matters like this rather irritating - probably partly because i think you're talking out yer hoop :aok:

no offence intended.


EDIT: another question. has it occurred to you that you might be wrong about this kind of thing? if not, why not?

also r.e. the bit in red - yes, they're acting in a manner that one could describe as "brave" - if "brave" means provoking an enemy with actions that do NOTHING to secure peace with palestine. from where i'm standing, "brave" is an adjective that would be better ascribed to a politician in the kneset standing up to the extreme zionists, accepting that their occupation, legal or not (though we all know it's not), is exactly that - an occupation. an act of offensive warfare. it's not protecting anyone, it's actually putting lives in danger. so you can't defend this by saying "yeah, but the suicide bombers..." - this is partly WHY there are suicide bombers. i'm sure many people have told you this before. i'm probably banging my head off a wall.

[LiverpoolHibs]

I just watched this on the iPlayer a little while ago and I found it to be a fascinating programme.

I wasn't shocked by any of it but some of the programme did make for difficult viewing.

I think those Jews who have decided to stay put in areas where their presence is deemed to be illegal have shown quite a lot of courage by sticking to their principles and their faith. I wholeheartedly agree that they have a right to be there, as Judea and Samaria forms part of the homeland for the Jewish people.

A lot of people don't like that but to me it is true and although I don't always necessarily agree with some of the ways that the Israelis go about exerting their authority, I would always reject any claims that the Jewish settlers are doing anything wrong by staying in those areas.

My main concern in the whole Middle East conflict always has been, and always will be, the safety and security of Israel and I would not want to see anything happen that may jeopardise that. In my opinion, the creation of a sovereign majority Muslim Palestinian state would be disastrous for Israel.

Make no mistake, Hamas and the other Palestinian terrorist groups will not be content with going back to pre-1967 borders, despite what they might say at the moment. I completely agree with what someone said at the start of the programme which was, if the Palestinians ever get their wish of an independent Palestine, they'll keep pushing for more and more. Their sole aim and the main reason for their existence is the eventual destruction of the State of Israel and they'll never be happy until that ultimate aim is achieved.

I wonder if Louis Theroux will be doing a second episode, looking at the views of the Palestinian extremists. It would only be right if he did so, in the interests of BBC impartiality and balanced reporting.

I'll be keeping a look out for it...

Dear FalkirkHibee,

I thought I'd just write to let you know that I'll be coming to move into your house within the next few days, so you'll have to scarper sharpish. No hard feelings and all that, it's just that me and a few of my mates believe that it's God's desire for as many of us to live in Falkirk as possible, that the people of Falkirk have no such right and that we should displace them.

Hope you don't mind but if you could clear out by Wednesday at the latest that would be great.

Cheerio,

LiverpoolHibs.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Dear FalkirkHibee,

I thought I'd just write to let you know that I'll be coming to move into your house within the next few days, so you'll have to scarper sharpish. No hard feelings and all that, it's just that me and a few of my mates believe that it's God's desire for as many of us to live in Falkirk as possible, that the people of Falkirk have no such right and that we should displace them.

Hope you don't mind but if you could clear out by Wednesday at the latest that would be great.

Cheerio,

LiverpoolHibs.

to be fair, the jews' ancestors did live there.

two thousand years ago.


Q: when does ancestral heritage qualify a claim to ownership of a land?

A: when it suits white people! :aok:




by the way, falkirk hibby, i'm not really suggesting that the jewish people don't need a homeland - i'm just saying so do the palistinians.

[ballengeich]

Dear FalkirkHibee,

I thought I'd just write to let you know that I'll be coming to move into your house within the next few days, so you'll have to scarper sharpish. No hard feelings and all that, it's just that me and a few of my mates believe that it's God's desire for as many of us to live in Falkirk as possible, that the people of Falkirk have no such right and that we should displace them.

Hope you don't mind but if you could clear out by Wednesday at the latest that would be great.

Cheerio,

LiverpoolHibs.

As it's Valentine's Day can I say that you and FalkirkHibee are a perfect couple.

[(((Fergus)))]

Dear FalkirkHibee,

I thought I'd just write to let you know that I'll be coming to move into your house within the next few days, so you'll have to scarper sharpish. No hard feelings and all that, it's just that me and a few of my mates believe that it's God's desire for as many of us to live in Falkirk as possible, that the people of Falkirk have no such right and that we should displace them.

Hope you don't mind but if you could clear out by Wednesday at the latest that would be great.

Cheerio,

LiverpoolHibs.

As long as the money passes from your solicitor to his then no one, least of all the vendor, should have an issue with you living in Falkirk. If other residents of Falkirk wish to remain there, there is nothing you or your mates can do about it - other than offer more money (assuming potential vendors aren't intimidated by death threats from their anti-LH neighbours).

If, having purchased your place in Falkirk, either the previous tenant, the neighbours or the even the previous owner-occupier himself attempt to scare you off or kill you in order to take back the property, what would then be the right thing to do?

[LiverpoolHibs]

As long as the money passes from your solicitor to his then no one, least of all the vendor, should have an issue with you living in Falkirk. If other residents of Falkirk wish to remain there, there is nothing you or your mates can do about it - other than offer more money (assuming potential vendors aren't intimidated by death threats from their anti-LH neighbours).

If, having purchased your place in Falkirk, either the previous tenant, the neighbours or the even the previous owner-occupier himself attempt to scare you off or kill you in order to take back the property, what would then be the right thing to do?

Crikey, what my (not entirely serious) analogy couldn't take account of is the fact that 'me and my mates' are not conducting an illegal occupation of Falkirk. Israel is doing so in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and transferring a population to illegally occupied land as one step in a plan to facilitate its future annexation is doubly illegal.

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Dear FalkirkHibee,

I thought I'd just write to let you know that I'll be coming to move into your house within the next few days, so you'll have to scarper sharpish. No hard feelings and all that, it's just that me and a few of my mates believe that it's God's desire for as many of us to live in Falkirk as possible, that the people of Falkirk have no such right and that we should displace them.

Hope you don't mind but if you could clear out by Wednesday at the latest that would be great.

Cheerio,

LiverpoolHibs.


Can I come too? I'm being persecuted here in the Caldera and need a safe place to live with like-minded people. If you could clear out a few houses in the same street for us, we'd be awfully grateful.

And let me get this right - no lawyers, no papers, no money changes hands? Just turn up and move in, am I right?

:aok:

[hibsbollah]

Dear FalkirkHibee,

I thought I'd just write to let you know that I'll be coming to move into your house within the next few days, so you'll have to scarper sharpish. No hard feelings and all that, it's just that me and a few of my mates believe that it's God's desire for as many of us to live in Falkirk as possible, that the people of Falkirk have no such right and that we should displace them.

Hope you don't mind but if you could clear out by Wednesday at the latest that would be great.

Cheerio,

LiverpoolHibs.

You've clearly never been to Falkirk, LH, its not exactly the promised land:greengrin

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You've clearly never been to Falkirk, LH, its not exactly the promised land:greengrin

It's got a Wheel.

[hibsbollah]

It's got a Wheel.

Thats true. Whether LH would want to start a Forth Valley intifada to protect said structure is questionable though:agree:

[khib70]

Informative and alarming detailed settlement map published by Settlemet Watch, part of the Israeli "Peace Now" group. (Which is one of the liberal NGO's whose funding the right wing in the Knesset want to "investigate")

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/sites/default/files/settlements_map_eng.pdf

They do, however, seem to have missed Falkirk off the map completely. It's a conspiracy.

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Informative and alarming detailed settlement map published by Settlemet Watch, part of the Israeli "Peace Now" group. (Which is one of the liberal NGO's whose funding the right wing in the Knesset want to "investigate")

http://peacenow.org.il/eng/sites/default/files/settlements_map_eng.pdf

They do, however, seem to have missed Falkirk off the map completely. It's a conspiracy.


The Falkirk Bairns are one of the Ten Lost Tribes.

In fact, they may be ALL of the Ten Lost Tribes...

One of the Really Big Bare-Faced Lies of the last century was the one about Palestine being a 'desert' with no one living there (no one who mattered, at any rate) before the Israelis came along and 'made it bloom'.

I might recommend Elias Chacour's wee book "Blood Brothers" - his account of his childhood growing up in Palestine in the 1950's as the Zionists steadily robbed and expropriated the Palestinian Arabs - Christians and Muslims.

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I just watched this on the iPlayer a little while ago and I found it to be a fascinating programme.

I wasn't shocked by any of it but some of the programme did make for difficult viewing.

I think those Jews who have decided to stay put in areas where their presence is deemed to be illegal have shown quite a lot of courage by sticking to their principles and their faith. I wholeheartedly agree that they have a right to be there, as Judea and Samaria forms part of the homeland for the Jewish people.

A lot of people don't like that but to me it is true and although I don't always necessarily agree with some of the ways that the Israelis go about exerting their authority, I would always reject any claims that the Jewish settlers are doing anything wrong by staying in those areas.

My main concern in the whole Middle East conflict always has been, and always will be, the safety and security of Israel and I would not want to see anything happen that may jeopardise that. In my opinion, the creation of a sovereign majority Muslim Palestinian state would be disastrous for Israel.

Make no mistake, Hamas and the other Palestinian terrorist groups will not be content with going back to pre-1967 borders, despite what they might say at the moment. I completely agree with what someone said at the start of the programme which was, if the Palestinians ever get their wish of an independent Palestine, they'll keep pushing for more and more. Their sole aim and the main reason for their existence is the eventual destruction of the State of Israel and they'll never be happy until that ultimate aim is achieved.

I wonder if Louis Theroux will be doing a second episode, looking at the views of the Palestinian extremists. It would only be right if he did so, in the interests of BBC impartiality and balanced reporting.

I'll be keeping a look out for it...


I'm not sure what Bible you use, FH, but nowhere do any of the Bibles I have on my shelves condone the theft of other people's property. Rather the opposite, in fact.

And, "if the Palestinians ever get their wish of an independent Palestine, they'll keep pushing for more and more..." Please tell me how that differs in any way from what the Israelis have been doing ever since THEY got THEIR wish of an independent Israel in 1948?

And if I understand the paragraph I've highlighted correctly, there's absolutely nothing at all that Israel or Israelis could do that would deter you from the 100% total support of their right to exist and expand at the expense of their neighbours. My Israel, right or wrong, regardless?

What Bible ARE you reading, FH?

[One Day Soon]

Dear FalkirkHibee,

I thought I'd just write to let you know that I'll be coming to move into your house within the next few days, so you'll have to scarper sharpish. No hard feelings and all that, it's just that me and a few of my mates believe that it's God's desire for as many of us to live in Falkirk as possible, that the people of Falkirk have no such right and that we should displace them.

Hope you don't mind but if you could clear out by Wednesday at the latest that would be great.

Cheerio,

LiverpoolHibs.

Quality. You have questioned my sense of humor on another thread but nonetheless I'm going to say that this is genuinely funny.

[One Day Soon]

As long as the money passes from your solicitor to his then no one, least of all the vendor, should have an issue with you living in Falkirk. If other residents of Falkirk wish to remain there, there is nothing you or your mates can do about it - other than offer more money (assuming potential vendors aren't intimidated by death threats from their anti-LH neighbours).

If, having purchased your place in Falkirk, either the previous tenant, the neighbours or the even the previous owner-occupier himself attempt to scare you off or kill you in order to take back the property, what would then be the right thing to do?

My view is this.

The God of these ultra Zionists will judge them harshly. If there is no God, then the best we can say is that their name will live in infamy.

Either way if they walk, talk and act like fascists then that's probably what they are. Decent, peaceful, moderate Israelis must yearn for a charismatic leader.