Parking ticket

[CB_NO3]

Looking for some advice guys. I got a parking ticket today parked on Lauriston Gardens. I bought a ticket out the pay and display machine and it was on the window. Anyway I got my ticket because I was parked on the permit holders area even though I was still within my time limit. It was the last space where the normal parking bit finished and became a permit holder area, obvioulsy I never realised this at the time. Anyway I was wondering if anyone thinks I would have the right to appeal or shall I just bite the bullet and pay the £30.

Thanks in advcance.
CB

[Wing Half]

If there was no obvious confusion i.e. contradictory signs then I'm afraid it's 30 sovs and no route of appeal.

[Twa Cairpets]

If there was no obvious confusion i.e. contradictory signs then I'm afraid it's 30 sovs and no route of appeal.

Yup.

Goosed Im afraid.

[Houchy]

I had once parked in a space exactly the same as you and there was a traffic warden right across from me. I had bought a 2 hour ticket previously to go and get my hair cut but I was out within 30 minutes. I asked the traffic warden if I could park where I was using the remaineder of my time but he said that as it was a different zone, i'd need a new ticket. I was just nipping into the bank for 2 minutes to pick up a new card so I paid for 20 minutes. When I walked out, I saw the same **** walking away from my car having left a ticket for me being in a permit holders space.

I went after him and asked him to cancel it on the grounds that he told me just to get a new ticket and, of course, got the " I can't do anything, it's been written.

Never wanted to boot someone in the chuckies so much in my life.

F***ing lowest form of life so they are:agree::agree:

[CB_NO3]

Is it worth appealing anyway, or is one of those if you loose the appeal you end up paying £60.

[Little Miss Perfect]

No they don't double the fine if they're investigating it.

I got one when i was very heavily pregnant and had parked at the Job Centre in Leith to nip to the cafe over the road to pick up rolls for the folk at work, I waddled out and over to my car just as the fat ***** stuck the ticket to my window and drove off on his bike, I did try to appeal against it but got nowhere :grr:

[discman]

Is it worth appealing anyway, or is one of those if you loose the appeal you end up paying £60.



Yup give it a bash,they can only say gtf, however if you make a good story fantastico! who knows,I've been let off twice :cool2:If you appeal they normally freeze the fine until they've resolved.I'd give it a bash :greengrin

[SlickShoes]

No they don't double the fine if they're investigating it.

I got one when i was very heavily pregnant and had parked at the Job Centre in Leith to nip to the cafe over the road to pick up rolls for the folk at work, I waddled out and over to my car just as the fat ***** stuck the ticket to my window and drove off on his bike, I did try to appeal against it but got nowhere :grr:

What has being pregnant got to do with it?

Do you get off with parking tickets for being pregnant? serious question.

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I had once parked in a space exactly the same as you and there was a traffic warden right across from me. I had bought a 2 hour ticket previously to go and get my hair cut but I was out within 30 minutes. I asked the traffic warden if I could park where I was using the remaineder of my time but he said that as it was a different zone, i'd need a new ticket. I was just nipping into the bank for 2 minutes to pick up a new card so I paid for 20 minutes. When I walked out, I saw the same **** walking away from my car having left a ticket for me being in a permit holders space.

I went after him and asked him to cancel it on the grounds that he told me just to get a new ticket and, of course, got the " I can't do anything, it's been written.

Never wanted to boot someone in the chuckies so much in my life.

F***ing lowest form of life so they are:agree::agree:


Parking in a Permit Holders' space - even if you do pay for a ticket - right in front of a warden must be the easiest and quickest way to get booked imaginable.

Permit Holders complain. Permit holders live in the same street where the Permit holders' parking spaces are. If I were only going to be 2 minutes, genuinely, I would speak to the warden, explain the situation in detail, and get the OK to leave the car on a single yellow. Unless the regs have changed since, he can allow you 10 minutes there before he starts writing the ticket. If you speak nice and call him 'Officer' he might even let you stay longer.


Motorists who don't know the parking regs... :rolleyes:



:devil:


FAO the OP - yes, I would write in, enclosing a photocopy of the pay and display ticket, and apologising for the mistake. You had no intentions of doing anything wrong, etc, etc. Nothing farther from your thoughts. You thought you were in a ticket bay, and you thought you had paid for your parking time, as you always do.

You were in a hurry, too. If you had an appointment, say so. Business, bank, doctor, dentist are all good, provided they're genuine.

If you can, check out the white lines marking the bays where you parked. Were they obscured, for any reason? Fallen leaves? Litter? If they are, take a photo and enclose that as well. You didn't realise you were outside the ticket area.

(This is a long shot, because there'll be a pole and a sign at the place where the ticket bays end and the permit holders' bays begin, but you were in a hurry - urgent business, late for an appointment, desperately needing the loo, whatever - and you made a mistake. Don't overdo it. They MIGHT take pity on you. The big thing is to be polite, and tell no outright, provable lie.)

No guarantee but it might work - it's worth it, even if it gives you more time to pay the fixed penalty.


BTW - I ALWAYS address traffic wardens as 'Officer'. It's amazing how far it sometimes gets me. On one occasion free parking 300 yards from Hampden Park for the whole afternoon of a Cup Final.

[CropleyWasGod]

I had once parked in a space exactly the same as you and there was a traffic warden right across from me. I had bought a 2 hour ticket previously to go and get my hair cut but I was out within 30 minutes. I asked the traffic warden if I could park where I was using the remaineder of my time but he said that as it was a different zone, i'd need a new ticket. I was just nipping into the bank for 2 minutes to pick up a new card so I paid for 20 minutes. When I walked out, I saw the same **** walking away from my car having left a ticket for me being in a permit holders space.

I went after him and asked him to cancel it on the grounds that he told me just to get a new ticket and, of course, got the " I can't do anything, it's been written.

Never wanted to boot someone in the chuckies so much in my life.

F***ing lowest form of life so they are:agree::agree:

Can't agree. If they didn't apply the rules that are set by others, the result would be chaos on our streets. Read "Gridlock" by Ben Elton... that says it all.

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Can't agree. If they didn't apply the rules that are set by others, the result would be chaos on our streets. Read "Gridlock" by Ben Elton... that says it all.

:agree: Exactly.

[lapsedhibee]

FAO the OP - yes, I would write in, enclosing a photocopy of the pay and display ticket, and apologising for the mistake. You had no intentions of doing anything wrong, etc, etc. Nothing farther from your thoughts. You thought you were in a ticket bay, and you thought you had paid for your parking time, as you always do.

Did exactly this in the same situation as the OP, and got a very politely worded reply from the wardens' office, accepting it had been a genuine mistake, etc etc etc, but unfortunately the charge had to stand.

[duncs]

I think I'm going to make myself very unpopular here but my advice is this:

Pay the fine.

You parked your car in a permit holder's space. You are not a permit holder. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Hell, we've all had situations not go our way, but basically it's our fault.

Think of the next time you get a rise in Council Tax etc, it is costing the Council money to administer your complaint, investigate and then get back in contact with you. How many of these complaints do you reckon are genuine?

I'm sorry for you mate that you have a £30 fine, but the easiest way to avoid the fine is not to break the rules.

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Did exactly this in the same situation as the OP, and got a very politely worded reply from the wardens' office, accepting it had been a genuine mistake, etc etc etc, but unfortunately the charge had to stand.


Said it was a long shot.

Rules tend to be rules, right enough.

[lapsedhibee]

Think of the next time you get a rise in Council Tax etc, it is costing the Council money to administer your complaint, investigate and then get back in contact with you. How many of these complaints do you reckon are genuine?


Plenty complaints are genuine. On more than one occasion I've had a penalty notice issued although I've displayed the correct ticket, and had the charge annulled when I submitted the ticket. Wardens make mistakes, and the wardens' office is not the SFA.

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Plenty complaints are genuine. On more than one occasion I've had a penalty notice issued although I've displayed the correct ticket, and had the charge annulled when I submitted the ticket. Wardens make mistakes, and the wardens' office is not the SFA.


:agree:

Genuine mistake on the warden's part and there's usually no problem.

Might I also suggest that on the street I've found that it's often easier to deal with a male warden than a female one (the Kipling Principle applies here - the female of the species is deadlier than the male)?

I would also suggest that the worst thing you can do is get cheeky or abusive - giving cheek to a traffic warden engraves your vehicle registration on his/her memory for ever.

:devil:

[Speedy]

Not directly related to the OP's situation but if you are unsure whether you are allowed to park somewhere and there is a warden there can you park, get out the car and ask them if you are allowed to park where you have just parked?

If you are not allowed to park there, will they give you a ticket for having already parked there or will you be allowed to move the car?

If they say you are allowed to park there and it turns out you are not supposed to, can they give you a ticket?

Or will they possibly refuse to answer your question?

Just curious, because I was once unsure of whether I was allowed to park somewhere and saw a warden half way up the street. I considered parking there then checking if it was alright but wasn't sure if that would be allowed.

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Not directly related to the OP's situation but if you are unsure whether you are allowed to park somewhere and there is a warden there can you park, get out the car and ask them if you are allowed to park where you have just parked?

If you are not allowed to park there, will they give you a ticket for having already parked there or will you be allowed to move the car?

If they say you are allowed to park there and it turns out you are not supposed to, can they give you a ticket?

Or will they possibly refuse to answer your question?

Just curious, because I was once unsure of whether I was allowed to park somewhere and saw a warden half way up the street. I considered parking there then checking if it was alright but wasn't sure if that would be allowed.


He/she should set you right, politely and courteously.

And no ticket should be issued.

He/she should not refuse to answer your question.

Always get the warden's collar number in situations like this.

VERY unlikely a warden would give you permission to park your car illegally - they know their beats and default programming for a TW is always, "You cannae leave your car here, pal!"

The Kipling Principle (see above) applies. Male wardens are much more likely to be polite and approachable than female ones.

[derekHFC]

You can also drive away from the scene if the warden hasn't yet put the ticket on your windscreen and taken a photograph to prove that it was there - this only applies to private contractors and not the police traffic wardens though.

derekHFC accepts no responsibility for your arrest should this have changed :greengrin

[speedy_gonzales]

You can also drive away from the scene if the warden hasn't yet put the ticket on your windscreen and taken a photograph to prove that it was there - this only applies to private contractors and not the police traffic wardens though.
I've driven away from a yellow peril(police traffic warden) in Gorgie before with no recourse? Was parked in the parking bays (45 mins?) at the start of wheatfield street as I went and got my lunch from Greggs(where else, it's where the news from kuanas comes in) as I came back to the van I turned it around getting ready to leave but had to wait for my colleague to jump in. Traffic warden came over and started writing a ticket. I wound down window and asked what was up, he said this was a 'no return' bay and as I had left the bay to do a 3 point turn he was giving me a ticket. I honestly couldn't keep a staight face, talk about a jobsworth, I don't think my van even left the space as I kept the turn pretty tight due to a scaffolding truck parked opposite.
I just sat there, let himi write the ticket and as he started to come close to the can I was off, he didn't look too happy but nothing ever came through for it.
This was a few years back but my colleague is probably still standing outside Greggs, he's a jambo anyway so no loss!

[HibsMax]

Looking for some advice guys. I got a parking ticket today parked on Lauriston Gardens. I bought a ticket out the pay and display machine and it was on the window. Anyway I got my ticket because I was parked on the permit holders area even though I was still within my time limit. It was the last space where the normal parking bit finished and became a permit holder area, obvioulsy I never realised this at the time. Anyway I was wondering if anyone thinks I would have the right to appeal or shall I just bite the bullet and pay the £30.

Thanks in advcance.
CB
Whether anyone thinks you have a right to appeal or not is neither here nor there. If you want to appeal, go ahead. Who knows, you might get lucky?

I've only contested one ticket before and it was for speeding. Got it knocked down from $200 to $100 (which is the minimum).

If you have the time and you want the experience, give it a shot. One thing is for sure, if you don't contest it they won't contest it for you. Sounds like you made a genuine mistake and you even paid to park so you have the evidence that it was a mistake......but you will have to convince them and hope they're in a good mood.

[Woody1985]

I parked in the Scotrail depot during the hibs barca and got hit with a 70 quid fine I think it was. gutted.

[RyeSloan]

I parked in the Scotrail depot during the hibs barca and got hit with a 70 quid fine I think it was. gutted.

Did you pay it?

Is it not true that 'private' fines like that are not actually enforceable no matter how many demands they may send?

[Andy Bee]

Can't agree. If they didn't apply the rules that are set by others, the result would be chaos on our streets. Read "Gridlock" by Ben Elton... that says it all.

It's not the application of the rules as I agree they're needed, it's the downright arrogance and the enjoyment some of the bassas get in applying them that gets right on my thrupennies.

To the OP, there's not much hope in an appeal, tried it several times without success to the point that it's becoming a sport, unless you have a serious excuse or the warden is in the wrong you're as well paying the fine and moving on :agree:

[Woody1985]

Did you pay it?

Is it not true that 'private' fines like that are not actually enforceable no matter how many demands they may send?

Yeah, it was a police notice and had stuff about terrorism as it was an unmarked car in the depot. I'd dropped my grandad at the stadium and it was a few mins to kick off so dumped it and ran round.

I've not paid ones from the in town private ones I've had.

[Houchy]

Parking in a Permit Holders' space - even if you do pay for a ticket - right in front of a warden must be the easiest and quickest way to get booked imaginable.

Permit Holders complain. Permit holders live in the same street where the Permit holders' parking spaces are. If I were only going to be 2 minutes, genuinely, I would speak to the warden, explain the situation in detail, and get the OK to leave the car on a single yellow. Unless the regs have changed since, he can allow you 10 minutes there before he starts writing the ticket. If you speak nice and call him 'Officer' he might even let you stay longer.


Motorists who don't know the parking regs... :rolleyes:

:devil:


FAO the OP - yes, I would write in, enclosing a photocopy of the pay and display ticket, and apologising for the mistake. You had no intentions of doing anything wrong, etc, etc. Nothing farther from your thoughts. You thought you were in a ticket bay, and you thought you had paid for your parking time, as you always do.

You were in a hurry, too. If you had an appointment, say so. Business, bank, doctor, dentist are all good, provided they're genuine.

If you can, check out the white lines marking the bays where you parked. Were they obscured, for any reason? Fallen leaves? Litter? If they are, take a photo and enclose that as well. You didn't realise you were outside the ticket area.

(This is a long shot, because there'll be a pole and a sign at the place where the ticket bays end and the permit holders' bays begin, but you were in a hurry - urgent business, late for an appointment, desperately needing the loo, whatever - and you made a mistake. Don't overdo it. They MIGHT take pity on you. The big thing is to be polite, and tell no outright, provable lie.)

No guarantee but it might work - it's worth it, even if it gives you more time to pay the fixed penalty.


BTW - I ALWAYS address traffic wardens as 'Officer'. It's amazing how far it sometimes gets me. On one occasion free parking 300 yards from Hampden Park for the whole afternoon of a Cup Final.

My arguement on this one was that I didn't realise that I was parked in a permit holders space (if I had, I wouldn't have parked there). It was on George Street and I was right at the end of the lane. There was a pole (not Zibi:greengrin) at the passenger side. I approached the traffic warden and (as stated earlier) asked "can I park HERE (he saw me getting out the car) with the remained of this ticket?" He replied "no, you need to pay for another ticket as it's a different zone". Surely having seen me get out the car he should have said "you'll need to move it though as you're in a permit holders space" but no, the slimy little c**k clearly wanted to get another "easy take" towards his monthly quota.

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My arguement on this one was that I didn't realise that I was parked in a permit holders space (if I had, I wouldn't have parked there). It was on George Street and I was right at the end of the lane. There was a pole (not Zibi:greengrin) at the passenger side. I approached the traffic warden and (as stated earlier) asked "can I park HERE (he saw me getting out the car) with the remained of this ticket?" He replied "no, you need to pay for another ticket as it's a different zone". Surely having seen me get out the car he should have said "you'll need to move it though as you're in a permit holders space" but no, the slimy little c**k clearly wanted to get another "easy take" towards his monthly quota.


Do you have his collar number? (Mind you - they must know which wardens were on duty on that beat at the time.)

Looking down the line of bays he probably didn't realise you were in an RP bay. It's not easy to tell when you're looking down the line of the bays from a distance. he probably didn't know exactly which car you had got out of.

Since you were asking about the validity of an unexpired ticket he would assume you were in a ticket bay (lines and signs in order?) and answered accordingly.

Wardens don't have 'quotas', monthly or otherwise. I would write to the HQ explaining exactly what happened, and the misunderstanding about exactly where your car was, but without bad-mouthing the guy who was, after all, simply doing his job - and a thankless one at that. But I wouldn't hold my breath.

Sorry - didn't mean to come over so unsympathetic, but the sign telling you that you were in an RP zone was on the top of the pole. that's what the people in the office will say, and discount your appeal on that basis. Misunderstanding with the warden, however it arose, will probably make no difference.

[Speedy]

Again not directly related to the Op but has anyone used the mobile phone answering machine thing to pay for tickets.

It's a nightmare :greengrin