Is Degraff the worst midfielder we've ever had?

[Cameron1875]

Sorry for this depressing thread but in my time of watching hibs i think he is the worst midfielder i've had to witness in the green and white.
Wouldnt say player as we have had people like hurtado, murdock, roland edge etc .
I've only been watching hibs for 10 years so some of the older fans probably can name worse than degraff.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Sorry for this depressing thread but in my time of watching hibs i think he is the worst midfielder i've had to witness in the green and white.
Wouldnt say player as we have had people like hurtado, murdock, roland edge etc .
I've only been watching hibs for 10 years so some of the older fans probably can name worse than degraff.

Brian Kerr?

[Disc O'Dave]

Jarko Wiss?

[Cameron1875]

Brian Kerr?

its a close call but him scoring winner v hearts might just let him off.... just:wink:

[JimBHibees]

Stuart Turnbull makes EDG look like Xavi. :greengrin

[TRC]

lee power

[bawheid]

Not even close.

[Jim44]

Considering the good reviews and the potential we were led to believe he had, he has been a shocker of a signing.

[al bundy]

wiss vs de graff

now thats a tough call

[ivan03]

didnt one of willie millers sons play in midfield? they were rottin!!!
also... rankin??? :confused: suppose his couple of wonder goals save him from being worst!

[Sloppy]

Matty Jack :dunno:





:greengrin

[aberhibsfc]

He's come to a foriegn country to a team that is not playing well. The type of personality he is probably running around trying to do everyone else's job for them. I fear we won't see any playing any better until the team as a whole has been restructured, if that means losing him to have a better team then so be it.

[Aldo]

I would say he will be close to being the worst.

As for Rankin get a life...he may not be the best player but at least he tries and can run.

As for box to box player.....FFS Hughes.....they guy couldnae run the length of a matchbox never mind the length of a pitch.

[Diclonius]

Ah, the yearly "[current first teamer] is the worst player we've ever had" thread. I wonder who'll be our worst player ever next year? :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

Ah, the yearly "[current first teamer] is the worst player we've ever had" thread. I wonder who'll be our worst player ever next year? :dunno:

He's got another year left of his contract, he might get the award two years running if we are unlucky?:wink:

[Aldo]

He's got another year left of his contract, he might get the award two years running if we are unlucky?:wink:

Quality

[RoslinInstHibby]

dunno about worst ever, but he has certainly been a major disappointment:agree:

[hibbybrian]

Stuart Turnbull makes EDG look like Xavi. :greengrin

Wrong wrong wrong :rolleyes:


















Stuart Turnbull makes me look like Xavi :greengrin

[eastmainsmsh]

Brian Hamilton

[Andy74]

He's been disappointing, but as ever, there's been a huge over reaction.

People will just look for things to justify what they think about him now in a negative way.

He's had a few good games such as Parkhead, Dundee Utd away, one or two others since where people on here were saying they were his best performances. all the games have merged into one for me this year so no idea right now what they were.

Early season he was getting itno the box and on the end of chances, yes he missed a few but that is his game.

Right now he's being asked to run about and chase things down and he's not getting forward so we're not using him really.

I expect I'll be the only person who thinks he is a decent player but hey ho.

[eastmainsmsh]

He's been disappointing, but as ever, there's been a huge over reaction.

People will just look for things to justify what they think about him now in a negative way.

He's had a few good games such as Parkhead, Dundee Utd away, one or two others since where people on here were saying they were his best performances. all the games have merged into one for me this year so no idea right now what they were.

Early season he was getting itno the box and on the end of chances, yes he missed a few but that is his game.

Right now he's being asked to run about and chase things down and he's not getting forward so we're not using him really.

I expect I'll be the only person who thinks he is a decent player but hey ho.

you dont play for Feyenoord if your rubbish going by the youtube footage he looks quality that was about 5-6 yr ago few injurys ... Pace has gone imo and in scottish game he is being found out no doubt he is/has been.a player but we have yet to see it .... however ive no doubt Ed will hold his hands up and say he has been poor :agree:

[McKenzie]

Ross Chisolm ?:hmmm:

[Spike Mandela]

Sorry for this depressing thread but in my time of watching hibs i think he is the worst midfielder i've had to witness in the green and white.
Wouldnt say player as we have had people like hurtado, murdock, roland edge etc .
I've only been watching hibs for 10 years so some of the older fans probably can name worse than degraff.

Not even sure if he is the worst midfielder in the current squad to be honest.:confused:

[Stevie Reid]

Behave yourself. I've finally jacked it with hoping that he's gonna come good, but miles away from being the worst ever.

[blackpoolhibs]

He's been disappointing, but as ever, there's been a huge over reaction.

People will just look for things to justify what they think about him now in a negative way.

He's had a few good games such as Parkhead, Dundee Utd away, one or two others since where people on here were saying they were his best performances. all the games have merged into one for me this year so no idea right now what they were.

Early season he was getting itno the box and on the end of chances, yes he missed a few but that is his game.

Right now he's being asked to run about and chase things down and he's not getting forward so we're not using him really.

I expect I'll be the only person who thinks he is a decent player but hey ho.

Is that not what all players should do Andy?

[Winston Ingram]

Rankin for me. I've never seen a more technically inept footballer than him.

[al bundy]

Brian Hamilton

hammy wasn't that bad

[Dinkydoo]

Never the worst imo.

He has been pretty crap and that in terms of what reputation he came with is a major disappointement.

He has however joined a team that is full of players underperforming imo. Don't get me wrong, some of the players currently within our ranks aren't very good, but most have still been underperforming for quite some time now.

I think he's turning into a bit of an AOB - came with a decent rep, playing at about the same level as the rest of his mediocre team mates, lost all credability with the fans and his confidence and performance suffered subsequently.

Lets hope he can turn it around though (much as I would have liked AOB to have done so).

GGTTH

[Future17]

Is Degraff the worst midfielder we've ever had?

Probably just as well you don't rate him. It'd be a disaster if you wanted his name on the back of your strip. :wink:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Stuart Turnbull makes EDG look like Xavi. :greengrin


Ah, the yearly "[current first teamer] is the worst player we've ever had" thread. I wonder who'll be our worst player ever next year? :greengrin

Have to say, it will be many many years before Duncan Lambie and Jas. Brown are toppled from their perch. Van der Graff would benefit from better players around him, but he is not that bad.

[sunshine1875]

de Gaff, a "box-to-box" player - only problem is that it takes him about ten minutes get from "box-to-box". What him between 1:10 and 1:30 in the Celtic match lowlights.

[Dinkydoo]

de Gaff, a "box-to-box" player - only problem is that it takes him about ten minutes get from "box-to-box". What him between 1:10 and 1:30 in the Celtic match lowlights.

How can someone take 10 minutes to get somewhere in 20 seconds? :greengrin

[ancient hibee]

I think he has suffered by being over praised by Hughes to justify the signing.I think his discomfort on the ball is very disappointing.

[12AlbionPlace]

de Gaff, a "box-to-box" player - only problem is that it takes him about ten minutes get from "box-to-box". What him between 1:10 and 1:30 in the Celtic match lowlights.

I think when Yogi said box to box, he must have meant his own 6 yard to 18 yard box:greengrin

[fatbloke]

Aye probably

[BEEJ]

How can someone take 10 minutes to get somewhere in 20 seconds? :greengrin
It's just the highlights of his 10 minute run from box to box.

[HibeeSince85]

A 2 page thread about Hibs worst midfielder and nobody had mentioned Joe Keenan.

Never a footballer never mind a midfielder.

[Purehibee_MYB]

Is Degraff the worst midfielder we've ever had?

Yes.

[sahib]

Rankin for me. I've never seen a more technically inept footballer than him.

Harsh.

[The Voice Of Reason]

sorry for this depressing thread but in my time of watching hibs i think he is the worst midfielder i've had to witness in the green and white.
Wouldnt say player as we have had people like hurtado, murdock, roland edge etc .
I've only been watching hibs for 10 years so some of the older fans probably can name worse than degraff.

Yes.

[Bostonhibby]

wiss vs de graff

now thats a tough call

I'd go for De Graff by a KO with a right hook to the chin in the 3rd. must be good at something, maybe just that footballs not his sport?

[basehibby]

Sorry for this depressing thread but in my time of watching hibs i think he is the worst midfielder i've had to witness in the green and white.
Wouldnt say player as we have had people like hurtado, murdock, roland edge etc .
I've only been watching hibs for 10 years so some of the older fans probably can name worse than degraff.

What a stupid post - no he's not the worst, he's been disappointing certainly but has shown some glimpses of quality - sadly curtailed by all the lead he seems to be wearing in his boots.

[Sir David Gray]

In our 136 years of existence, I doubt if he's the worst ever but he's certainly not been very good.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

lee power

Was a striker, allegedly :agree: Just not a very good one.

[Bad Martini]

I've seen worse.

However, he is *****. Can't put a simple pass together and is woefully inept.

Best game was against Maribor. Done nothing much since...

Neither, has the rest of the team either but yes, I wouldn't be overly concerned if he didn't play for us ever ever ever ever ever ever again. :agree:

[CRAZYHIBBY]

Deguff is pretty hopeless and will probably get booted in the summer

[The Voice Of Reason]

Deguff is pretty hopeless and will probably get booted in the summer

The problem we have is that no-one will take him off our hands. If we want to get rid of him we will need to pay him off. Scandalous. :fuming:

[The Voice Of Reason]

See below for a summary of peoples opinion on "The Dutch Wizard" :-

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?201852-de-Graaf

[jax67]

yes of course he is!!!

[I'm_cabbaged]

Reading some of the replies on this thread I'm beginning to think that Nish wasn't all that far wrong. Don't disagree that he's been pish for us but to name him and few others presently at the club as the worst that's played for us ever is pretty clueless.

[skipster7]

Deguff is pretty hopeless and will probably get booted in the summer
hes been dissapointing in a shocking team but deguff? are we back in primary school ?:confused:
who needs yam trumpets when we seem to revel in petty namecalling our own players/managers.

[Capt Mainwaring]

Not by a long way.

Put me down as another Stuart Turnbull vote.

[Bookkeeper]

Is there really any point to this thread - been done to death elsewhere. He's another player playing poorly in a team that is poor. Right now you could pick on any and every Hibs player, but is there any need?

[Jones28]

Rankin for me. I've never seen a more technically inept footballer than him.

Bar the screamer at Ibrox you mean? :wink:

[Since90+2]

The worst ever? Naw.

He has been pretty poor all season though and I cant help but look back on that chance against the huns that might have just sparked his season into life.

[fatbloke]

Not by a long way.

Put me down as another Stuart Turnbull vote.

Jeezus just when I had erased this guy from memory somebody recalls him. Hope your happy I won't bloody well sleep tonight with him running around my head.

[lucky]

Piss poor but not the worst. He is not even the worst in the team

[nortonhibby]

yes of course he is!!!

you forgot Neil Orr ?

[Mixu62]

you forgot Neil Orr ?

Thought he was a full-back? My vote goes to Davie Farrell or Ray Wilkins.

[latapy10]

you forgot Neil Orr ?benny brazil he takes some beating

[Scouse Hibee]

After reading this thread I wonder if he's thinking we're the worst set of supporters he's ever played in front of!

[madabouthibs]

Liam Millers been a very disappointing signing, considering his "pedigree".
In terms of expectation, he's one of the worst imo. :duck:

[seamus88]

That Andrews we brought in for wee russ!! he couldnae pass wind!!

[nortonhibby]

benny brazil he takes some beating

Benny was a Legend wore the shirt with pride:flag: he maybe was not the best but had the heart of a lion:aok: De Graff the Yogi parting signing could not lace Bennys Boots:greengrin

[BS44]

I've seen worse.

However, he is *****. Can't put a simple pass together and is woefully inept.

Best game was against Maribor. Done nothing much since...

Neither, has the rest of the team either but yes, I wouldn't be overly concerned if he didn't play for us ever ever ever ever ever ever again. :agree:

Rubbish.

The guy can pass a ball. Got a good first touch as well.

Where he is struggling is the speed of the game in Scotland. If he can get up to the pace of the game here then we may have a half-decent player.

[Liberal Hibby]

When challenged that Ringo Starr wasn't exactly the best drummer in the world, John Lennon replied 'he wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles'.

That's how I feel about yet another ludicrous thread...

[Mikeystewart]

No

Remember Edwin De'Graff is a human being and more than likely reads this forum. Or I suppose he might have been warned by every member of the squad not too as every player that has ever played for Hibs has taken a thrashing on this board at some stage or another. Maybe other than a select group.

I'm pretty sure there have been worse players at Hibs, mainly due to the fact I have only witnessed about 10 of the past 135 years (and I doubt the majority of posters on this forum haven't even witnessed half of that time period) and some players are made to look better or worse by the players around them.

In point its an outrageous question, he is clearly not even the worst midfielder in our squad because other than maybe miller and Zemmama he has been getting a shout over any other Midfielder. I also trust the man who is in the job to make that judgement more than anyone on this forum.

[The Voice Of Reason]

Rubbish.

The guy can pass a ball. Got a good first touch as well.
Where he is struggling is the speed of the game in Scotland. If he can get up to the pace of the game here then we may have a half-decent player.

Sorry mate, but if you really think that he has a "good first touch" then you cannot have seen him play (either that, or you have never played the game yourself and you don't know what a good first touch is).

Apologies if that sounds patronising, but if you are seriously saying that he has a good first touch then it is up there with the most ridiculous things I have ever read on this forum ! :agree:

[Pedantic_Hibee]

There must be something about him, we just haven't seen anything from him.

Far better players have failed at far better clubs playing with far better team-mates. Seba Veron at Manchester United springs to mind.

Sometimes, it just doesn't pan out the way everyone expects/hopes it will.

If he doesn't pick up between now and the end of the season then it may be time to sever ties. That said, look at Sammon at Killie; 7 goals in his first two years yet this season he's scoring more than me in a brothel after a win at the bookies.

N.B, I never win at the bookies.


I use credit cards :cool2:

[truehibernian]

Graeme Miller, the boss' son......truly the worst player I have ever clapped eyes on for Hibs.

Greg wasn't too great either. Nepotism at it's worst.

You know it's true lads if you are tuning in :greengrin

[SRHibs]

De Graaf creeping on 16 year olds at the weekend. What a man!

[PeeJay]

Sorry mate, but if you really think that he has a "good first touch" then you cannot have seen him play (either that, or you have never played the game yourself and you don't know what a good first touch is).

Apologies if that sounds patronising, but if you are seriously saying that he has a good first touch then it is up there with the most ridiculous things I have ever read on this forum ! :agree:

Scottish players are not generally renowned for having a good first touch, we are looked down on as a footballing nation and deemed to be one lacking any degree of technical skill/sophistication - his touch is as good as any of the locals IMO.

He has however disappointed - but so has the entire team: maybe the "system" we play does not suit his style of football? Maybe too much kick and rush?

[bawheid]

That Andrews we brought in for wee russ!! he couldnae pass wind!!

Lyndon Andrews? Who played alongside Latapy in the 6-2 game?

Behave.

[Winston Ingram]

Bar the screamer at Ibrox you mean? :wink:

Wow. 1 good strike of a ball in nearly 3 yrs. I think I'll change my opinion:not worth

[blackpoolhibs]

Rubbish.

The guy can pass a ball. Got a good first touch as well.

Where he is struggling is the speed of the game in Scotland. If he can get up to the pace of the game here then we may have a half-decent player.

:faf: aye if you compare him to Ian Murray.

[The Voice Of Reason]

:faf: aye if you compare him to Ian Murray.

:faf:

I actually think that Murray is like Maradona compared to "The Dutch Wizard".

[Scouse Hibee]

Rubbish.

The guy can pass a ball. Got a good first touch as well.

Where he is struggling is the speed of the game in Scotland. If he can get up to the pace of the game here then we may have a half-decent player.


:agree: Correct, only because every first touch is a three yard pass!!
Seriously mate every time i see him I moan about his first touch being so poor.

[Sandy]

Lyndon Andrews? Who played alongside Latapy in the 6-2 game?

Behave.

Was going to say exactly the same Baw, he came on for Matty Jack, and we really kicked on from there.

[truehibernian]

Was going to say exactly the same Baw, he came on for Matty Jack, and we really kicked on from there.

Sure did.

I loved wee Lyndon. Not that I am into cricket but when I saw him I thought we had signed Gladstone Small, the bowler with no neck. Wee dynamo in midfield and didn't really get many chances. No doubt helped Russell to settle better too.

[BS44]

Sorry mate, but if you really think that he has a "good first touch" then you cannot have seen him play (either that, or you have never played the game yourself and you don't know what a good first touch is).

Apologies if that sounds patronising, but if you are seriously saying that he has a good first touch then it is up there with the most ridiculous things I have ever read on this forum ! :agree:

Not at all, mate.

Seen him play plenty of times and I stand by what I say that to use a well worn out phrase - his technique is good.

And I've played plenty of footie over the years at a half-decent standard. Though I must admit I'm no Edwin De Graaf!


:faf: aye if you compare him to Ian Murray.


:agree: Correct, only because every first touch is a three yard pass!!
Seriously mate every time i see him I moan about his first touch being so poor.

One thing I think we all can agree on is out the four of us I'm the only one who knows anything about the finer points of football! :whistle:

Right I'm off now to Ayr. Hibs to win 2-1 and Edwin "De Good First Touch" Graaf to score the winner.:greengrin

[The Voice Of Reason]

Not at all, mate.

Seen him play plenty of times and I stand by what I say that to use a well worn out phrase - his technique is good.

And I've played plenty of footie over the years at a half-decent standard. Though I must admit I'm no Edwin De Graaf!





One thing I think we all can agree on is out the four of us I'm the only one who knows anything about the finer points of football! :whistle:

Right I'm off now to Ayr. Hibs to win 2-1 and Edwin "De Good First Touch" Graaf to score the winner.:greengrin

:thumbsup:

HAIL HAIL.

[blackpoolhibs]

Not at all, mate.

Seen him play plenty of times and I stand by what I say that to use a well worn out phrase - his technique is good.

And I've played plenty of footie over the years at a half-decent standard. Though I must admit I'm no Edwin De Graaf!





One thing I think we all can agree on is out the four of us I'm the only one who knows anything about the finer points of football! :whistle:

Right I'm off now to Ayr. Hibs to win 2-1 and Edwin "De Good First Touch" Graaf to score the winner.:greengrin

:greengrin Good luck. :top marks

[grantonhibee]

brian kerr for me

[supersauzee]

Ross Chisolm ?:hmmm:

100% agree, he was terrible!!

[Kaiser1962]

He's come to a foriegn country to a team that is not playing well. The type of personality he is probably running around trying to do everyone else's job for them. I fear we won't see any playing any better until the team as a whole has been restructured, if that means losing him to have a better team then so be it.

You make fair points. I think the pace and ferocity of the game here have surprised him. If Ronaldinho came here he would probably get killed.

[The Voice Of Reason]

He's come to a foriegn country to a team that is not playing well. The type of personality he is probably running around trying to do everyone else's job for them. I fear we won't see any playing any better until the team as a whole has been restructured, if that means losing him to have a better team then so be it.

Just noticed the bit in bold - if you mean getting rid of him, that would require another team to take him off our hands - which aint gonna happen (unless their chief scout is David Blunkett or Stevie Wonder.)

I fear we will have to resort to paying De Graaf off - disgraceful.

[Greentinted]

I'm in the B. Hamilton Esq camp on this one. And a good few others are well up the queue before Edwin.
I remember Stuart Lovell's first season in the SPL and thought he was out his depth, but it was a case of him adjusting to the requirements of the league and he became arguably one of our most consistent performers in a team of veritable galacticos (relative, of course, to the present squad).