Body found in hunt for missing girl...

[Toaods]

ohh dear, sounds decidedly dodgy if her keys, purse, etc were all at home...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12079050

[hibiedude]

Shocking news to wake up too and on Christmas day I think we all fear the worst.

[cad]

Just confirmed its her ,story to follow, so very very sad

[bigstu]

something doesnt add up here, boyfriend has to be suspect number 1. Shouldn't take them too long to solve as she wasn't found too far away & apparently theres only 1 way in & out & its covered by cctv

[Sylar]

something doesnt add up here, boyfriend has to be suspect number 1. Shouldn't take them too long to solve as she wasn't found too far away & apparently theres only 1 way in & out & its covered by cctv

He was visiting friends away in Sheffield, was he not? :confused:

[Phil D. Rolls]

something doesnt add up here, boyfriend has to be suspect number 1. Shouldn't take them too long to solve as she wasn't found too far away & apparently theres only 1 way in & out & its covered by cctv

I reckon it's much closer to home. The parents gave one of the oddest looking appeals for witnesses I have seen, very dodgy body language. She has a brother, yet police were at pains to stress that nobody close to the family is a suspect - as they often do :rolleyes:.

[hibiedude]

He was visiting friends away in Sheffield, was he not? :confused:

Boyfriend has had his phone and laptop taken by the police :rolleyes:

[Hibbyradge]

I reckon it's much closer to home. The parents gave one of the oddest looking appeals for witnesses I have seen, very dodgy body language. She has a brother, yet police were at pains to stress that nobody close to the family is a suspect - as they often do :rolleyes:.

I agree, it was strange. He kept referring to her in the past tense too.

Amateur psychologists are us, right enough! :rolleyes:

[s.a.m]

I reckon it's much closer to home. The parents gave one of the oddest looking appeals for witnesses I have seen, very dodgy body language. She has a brother, yet police were at pains to stress that nobody close to the family is a suspect - as they often do :rolleyes:.

I thought that too, funnilly enough. Then I was appalled at myself for questioning the reaction of a couple whose daughter was almost certainly dead. Odd, though.

[bigstu]

they'll likely already know who it is but it'll be a matter of getting the evidence, as it does seem like it must be someone who knew her well. I agree that the father was odd & couldn't look anyone in the eye, kept his head down while talking. A psychologist should be able to tell straight away though by the body language if he's telling the truth. Would be very sad if it was a member of her own family.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I agree, it was strange. He kept referring to her in the past tense too.

Amateur psychologists are us, right enough! :rolleyes:

All psychologists are amateurs, it's a shaky science at best, and is really just a way of codifying the wisdom we have all built up since humanity began. iMHO.


I thought that too, funnilly enough. Then I was appalled at myself for questioning the reaction of a couple whose daughter was almost certainly dead. Odd, though.

Me too, but we do know that the police sometimes use a public appeal to try and open up suspects. The man had his head hung in shame, whereas you would expect anger or pleading in his eyes. The woman seemed to be bizarre alternating between tears and self pity, there was a telling moment when she had one of her weepy interludes and looked up for approval.

All this is IMHO, and entirely subjective, but I just have an uncomfortable feeling on this one.

[s.a.m]

Me too, but we do know that the police sometimes use a public appeal to try and open up suspects. The man had his head hung in shame, whereas you would expect anger or pleading in his eyes. The woman seemed to be bizarre alternating between tears and self pity, there was a telling moment when she had one of her weepy interludes and looked up for approval.

All this is IMHO, and entirely subjective, but I just have an uncomfortable feeling on this one.

That's kind of how I saw it - it looked very contrived. Having said that, some people are contrived. And none of us know how we would react, having been put on telly to appeal for information on our missing daughter.

[Phil D. Rolls]

That's kind of how I saw it - it looked very contrived. Having said that, some people are contrived. And none of us know how we would react, having been put on telly to appeal for information on our missing daughter.

Yep, we'll see, all I know is that if it looks like a dog, and barks like a dog, it usually is a dog.

[Hibbyradge]

Yep, we'll see, all I know is that if it looks like a dog, and barks like a dog, it usually is a dog.

You old fox you!

[Future17]

I reckon it's much closer to home. The parents gave one of the oddest looking appeals for witnesses I have seen, very dodgy body language. She has a brother, yet police were at pains to stress that nobody close to the family is a suspect - as they often do :rolleyes:.

I suppose it's just gut instinct when viewing something like that which helps to form opinions based on things like body language, but I read it totally differently.

I saw parents who were resigned to their daughter being dead and, while we would all feel a small element of guilt in those circumstances, I didn't read the guilt on show during their appeal as being that of a person, or persons, who had committed such an emotionally-charged crime as the murder of their daughter.

Given the presence of her keys and the pizza receipt at her flat, it's safe to assume she made it home that night and that the next time she left it wasn't through choice. If there's no evidence of a break-in at the flat, it narrows it down to someone who had keys or someone she knew.

I think the boyfriend will be suspect number one and his phone and laptop may help to establish whether he really was in Sheffield on the night/morning in question.

[lapsedhibee]

I think the boyfriend will be suspect number one and his phone and laptop may help to establish whether he really was in Sheffield on the night/morning in question.

That CSI stuff gets everywhere isn't it? Just beat it out of him like in the old days!

[Future17]

That CSI stuff gets everywhere isn't it? Just beat it out of him like in the old days!

CSI versus Life On Mars? :greengrin

[EH6 Hibby]

The absence of the Pizza or the wrapper is a very strange one, I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps the girl was seeing someone else besides her boyfriend and has gone to that persons house with the Pizza and not come home until late thinking her boyfriend is away but he's come home early and caught her out. I can't figure out why there is no sign of the pizza. :confused:

I think I've just solved the case! :agree:

[Woody1985]

I find it strange he obviously never got in contact with her whilst he was away. You'd at least expect a text or call.

[hibee_girl]

I find it strange he obviously never got in contact with her whilst he was away. You'd at least expect a text or call.

It said in the paper today that all his calls and texts went unanswered

[Woody1985]

I figured that!

It might be a little clingy but you'd maybe call someone else to see if they'd seen her. I suppose you don't know what you'd do in that situation.

[bigstu]

I suppose it's just gut instinct when viewing something like that which helps to form opinions based on things like body language, but I read it totally differently.

I saw parents who were resigned to their daughter being dead and, while we would all feel a small element of guilt in those circumstances, I didn't read the guilt on show during their appeal as being that of a person, or persons, who had committed such an emotionally-charged crime as the murder of their daughter.

Given the presence of her keys and the pizza receipt at her flat, it's safe to assume she made it home that night and that the next time she left it wasn't through choice. If there's no evidence of a break-in at the flat, it narrows it down to someone who had keys or someone she knew.

I think the boyfriend will be suspect number one and his phone and laptop may help to establish whether he really was in Sheffield on the night/morning in question.

Don't think there was any evidence of a struggle in the house though so that adds to the oddness of it all.

As someone else mentioned maybe she was having an affair but my spin on it would be maybe her lover killed her.

[Future17]

Don't think there was any evidence of a struggle in the house though so that adds to the oddness of it all.

Well someone with access to the flat would have had 2 days (from when she was last seen) to tidy things up. Something like asphyxiation wouldn't leave any blood.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I suppose it's just gut instinct when viewing something like that which helps to form opinions based on things like body language, but I read it totally differently.

I saw parents who were resigned to their daughter being dead and, while we would all feel a small element of guilt in those circumstances, I didn't read the guilt on show during their appeal as being that of a person, or persons, who had committed such an emotionally-charged crime as the murder of their daughter.

Given the presence of her keys and the pizza receipt at her flat, it's safe to assume she made it home that night and that the next time she left it wasn't through choice. If there's no evidence of a break-in at the flat, it narrows it down to someone who had keys or someone she knew.

I think the boyfriend will be suspect number one and his phone and laptop may help to establish whether he really was in Sheffield on the night/morning in question.

I can see your point as well. Tbh, I feel a bit of a heel speculating on this on a public forum, it's just that I found the whole thing a wee bit strange.

God knows how people would act in that situation, and I genuinely hope it was a stranger that did it.

[hibiedude]

Police now thinking she was killed by someone she knew going on the theory that there was no break in and no struggle in the flat so they are concentrating on she either got a phone from someone asking for help or planned on meeting someone later that night.

Ex commander of Scotland Yard was on sky news explaining his take on things and goes on to say this case will be solved and may well turn out to be someone she knew and trusted.

[Betty Boop]

Joanne's landlord has been arrested.

[hibiedude]

Joanna Yates landlord held on suspicion off her murder

So it was someone close to her

sick *******

[Phil D. Rolls]

Apologies to the parents, that's my last of being and amateur Taggart.

[EskbankHibby]

Guy was interviewed yesterday on SKY news, they keep running the interview today.

[stoneyburn hibs]

just seen the post about her landlord being arrested, as i was about to post that her landlord looks a very creepy guy

[EskbankHibby]

just seen the post about her landlord being arrested, as i was about to post that her landlord looks a very creepy guy

Agreed.

He looks like Archie McPhersons wee brother with that comb-over as well, looking creepy not a crime i suppose and need to be careful about jumping to conclusions.

[Hibbyradge]

Joanna Yates landlord held on suspicion off her murder

So it was someone close to her

sick *******

Has he been convicted?

[stoneyburn hibs]

Agreed.

He looks like Archie McPhersons wee brother with that comb-over as well, looking creepy not a crime i suppose and need to be careful about jumping to conclusions.

yes should not jump to conclusions, but the guy is goes by the name jefferies :devil:

[Hibbyradge]

Agreed.

He looks like Archie McPhersons wee brother with that comb-over as well, looking creepy not a crime i suppose and need to be careful about jumping to conclusions.

Looking creepy doesn't even mean you're actually creepy! :greengrin

[EskbankHibby]

yes should not jump to conclusions, but the guy is goes by the name jefferies :devil:

Looks creepy, is a liar and surname Jefferies :hmmm:

Hang him.:devil:

[EskbankHibby]

Looking creepy doesn't even mean you're actually creepy! :greengrin

As a creepy looking guy i am delighted to agree with you here.:greengrin

[hibiedude]

Why did this guy bring attention to himself by suggesting he saw Joanne leave her flat with 2 other people about 21.00 on the evening she went missing?

Don’t get me wrong IF he killed the girl then they should keep him inside till the day he dies.

But to get involved in passing on what must be false information if he’s convicted is very strange.

Police were clearly homing in on someone from the very start

[stoneyburn hibs]

most probably was starting to feel the heat on himself

[hibee_girl]

Why did this guy bring attention to himself by suggesting he saw Joanne leave her flat with 2 other people about 21.00 on the evening she went missing?

Don’t get me wrong IF he killed the girl then they should keep him inside till the day he dies.

But to get involved in passing on what must be false information if he’s convicted is very strange.

Police were clearly homing in on someone from the very start

He possibly wanted the attention, remember how 'helpful' Ian Huntley was when the two girls in Soham went missing?

[bighairyfaeleith]

****ing hang the *******!!!!!!!!*














*assuming it is jim jeffries we are talking about:wink:

[EskbankHibby]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50611000/jpg/_50611088_50611086.jpg


"I was in the changing room/upstairs in my flat when i heard............"

[bighairyfaeleith]

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50611000/jpg/_50611088_50611086.jpg


"I was in the changing room/upstairs in my flat when i heard............"

Does he think that combover will actually fool anyone:faf:

[Future17]

Why did this guy bring attention to himself by suggesting he saw Joanne leave her flat with 2 other people about 21.00 on the evening she went missing?

Don’t get me wrong IF he killed the girl then they should keep him inside till the day he dies.

But to get involved in passing on what must be false information if he’s convicted is very strange.

Police were clearly homing in on someone from the very start

It's fairly common for murderers to seek some way of involving themselves in the resultant police investigation - especially with high-profile cases.

For those who have taken pleasure from the "excitement" of the act, it is a way of re-living it. For others, they feel they can lead the police in a false direction with a made-up story.

Thanks for reading Hibs.net - where amateur psychology hour continues. :greengrin

[hibiedude]

Has he been convicted?

held on suspicion off her murder :rolleyes:

[greenlex]

So us pitchfork weilding peasants have hung the parents the boyfriend and the landlord before anyone has even been charged.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

So us pitchfork weilding peasants have hung the parents the boyfriend and the landlord before anyone has even been charged.

No body should be hung until they have been found guilty in court. THEN they should be hung.

[Ed De Gramo]

Oh dear.....it would appear the Police have got the wrong man....

I hope the tabloids have good lawyers

[Hibbyradge]

held on suspicion off her murder :rolleyes:

Indeed. Only suspicion.

It's usually a good idea to wait until someone is actually convicted before labelling them as a sick b******.

[Hibbyradge]

Oh dear.....it would appear the Police have got the wrong man....

I hope the tabloids have good lawyers

They do and they will have been consulted before any stories went out.

As far as I saw, no-one actually accused the Landlord of murdering Jo Yeates in the press. Only on here! :wink: :greengrin

Edit: More then one murderer? (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/latest/2011/01/04/joanna-probe-police-hunt-killers-115875-22825755/)

[lapsedhibee]

More than one murderer?

Possible copycat crime, as Murder On The Orient Express was on the tellybox recently.

Ban Agatha Christie novels! :panic:

[geordie_hibs]

I get and more depressed by the utter lack of thought from all levels of society when a terrible tragedy like this occurs. The main thing that seems to be lost from view is that a young woman, seeming an intelligent, professional, upstanding member of the community, has been killed. Aged only 25 she has probably been denied the chance to live a minimum of 50 years, to have a full career, to make her family proud, to make a mark on the world.

Instead of grieving at this loss, modern society seems to want to glorify either in the chase for an unknown killer or to run up the scaffold the first suspect, however tenuous this suspect's link with the crime is subsequently shown to be.

Condemn those who've been found guilty after due process, not those whose hairstyles or lifestyles you don't like who may be totally innocent.

[Toaods]

I get and more depressed by the utter lack of thought from all levels of society when a terrible tragedy like this occurs. The main thing that seems to be lost from view is that a young woman, seeming an intelligent, professional, upstanding member of the community, has been killed. Aged only 25 she has probably been denied the chance to live a minimum of 50 years, to have a full career, to make her family proud, to make a mark on the world.

Instead of grieving at this loss, modern society seems to want to glorify either in the chase for an unknown killer or to run up the scaffold the first suspect, however tenuous this suspect's link with the crime is subsequently shown to be.

Condemn those who've been found guilty after due process, not those whose hairstyles or lifestyles you don't like who may be totally innocent.

don't think the Bristol courts will be posting a poll on here to gauge the likelyhood of anyone's guilt or not.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I get and more depressed by the utter lack of thought from all levels of society when a terrible tragedy like this occurs. The main thing that seems to be lost from view is that a young woman, seeming an intelligent, professional, upstanding member of the community, has been killed. Aged only 25 she has probably been denied the chance to live a minimum of 50 years, to have a full career, to make her family proud, to make a mark on the world.

Instead of grieving at this loss, modern society seems to want to glorify either in the chase for an unknown killer or to run up the scaffold the first suspect, however tenuous this suspect's link with the crime is subsequently shown to be.

Condemn those who've been found guilty after due process, not those whose hairstyles or lifestyles you don't like who may be totally innocent.

Of course it's a tragedy, it's happened though, and it can't be changed. If we were to grieve for every tragedy that we hear about we wouldn't be able to get up in the morning.

[geordie_hibs]

Of course it's a tragedy, it's happened though, and it can't be changed. If we were to grieve for every tragedy that we hear about we wouldn't be able to get up in the morning.

as Dylan Thomas said...

Never until the mankind making
Bird beast and flower
Fathering and all humbling darkness
Tells with silence the last light breaking
And the still hour
Is come of the sea tumbling in harness

And I must enter again the round
Zion of the water bead
And the synagogue of the ear of corn
Shall I let pray the shadow of a sound
Or sow my salt seed
In the least valley of sackcloth to mourn

The majesty and burning of the child's death.
I shall not murder
The mankind of her going with a grave truth
Nor blaspheme down the stations of the breath
With any further
Elegy of innocence and youth.

Deep with the first dead lies London's daughter,
Robed in the long friends,
The grains beyond age, the dark veins of her mother,
Secret by the unmourning water
Of the riding Thames.
After the first death, there is no other.

[Phil D. Rolls]

as Dylan Thomas said...

Never until the mankind making
Bird beast and flower
Fathering and all humbling darkness
Tells with silence the last light breaking
And the still hour
Is come of the sea tumbling in harness

And I must enter again the round
Zion of the water bead
And the synagogue of the ear of corn
Shall I let pray the shadow of a sound
Or sow my salt seed
In the least valley of sackcloth to mourn

The majesty and burning of the child's death.
I shall not murder
The mankind of her going with a grave truth
Nor blaspheme down the stations of the breath
With any further
Elegy of innocence and youth.

Deep with the first dead lies London's daughter,
Robed in the long friends,
The grains beyond age, the dark veins of her mother,
Secret by the unmourning water
Of the riding Thames.
After the first death, there is no other.

What a fantastic poem. :top marks

[hibs0666]

Has our resident psychological profilers not had any further insights lately? :not worth :wink:

[hibiedude]

Indeed. Only suspicion.

It's usually a good idea to wait until someone is actually convicted before labelling them as a sick b******.

Whoever killed this girl is a sick B'st@rd I still say its someone she knew

But lets just wait and see eh :wink:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Whoever killed this girl is a sick B'st@rd I still say its someone she knew

But lets just wait and see eh :wink:

:agree:

[lapsedhibee]

Has our resident psychological profilers not had any further insights lately? :not worth :wink:

The killer is a sick bstard, apparently. Though I'd have said if it turns out that the cause of death was a sex game gone wrong, and then the surviving player panicked, then that would make him or her more of a sick pervert than a sick bstard. A panicky sick pervert. These are the kind of fine distinctions that need to be made in the profiling, n'est ce pas? :dunno:

[Phil D. Rolls]

The killer is a sick bstard, apparently. Though I'd have said if it turns out that the cause of death was a sex game gone wrong, and then the surviving player panicked, then that would make him or her more of a sick pervert than a sick bstard. A panicky sick pervert. These are the kind of fine distinctions that need to be made in the profiling, n'est ce pas? :dunno:

If it was a sex game, does that not make them both sick bstasrds, or sick perverts?

Have the Bristol polis been watching Corrie lately? That John Stape seems to fit the profile.

[hibsbollah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3326240/Joanna-Yeates-suspect-Chris-Jefferies-obsessed-with-death-ex-pupil-claims.html

I hope someone will apologise to this guy...being tried and convicted by the media can't have been very pleasant.

[Future17]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3326240/Joanna-Yeates-suspect-Chris-Jefferies-obsessed-with-death-ex-pupil-claims.html

I hope someone will apologise to this guy...being tried and convicted by the media can't have been very pleasant.

Assuming he didn't do it. :wink:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Has our resident psychological profilers not had any further insights lately? :not worth :wink:

My money is still on John Stape.

[Twiglet]

The guy has now been charged with her murder.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12257299

He was her neighbour so that might point to the reason why there was no sign of a break in, she may have known him and just let him in.