They dont mess about in iran

[poolman]

http://news.uk.msn.com/world/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=155398837


Victim's son did the final act

Bet he enjoyed it

[Lofarl]

So men are allowed to screw around outside marriage with a "temporary wife" for adulterous men and yet allow adulterous women to be killed in such a manner.

Yea go Iran, hopefully one day Isreal will really do the world a favor.

[Leicester Fan]

So men are allowed to screw around outside marriage with a "temporary wife" for adulterous men and yet allow adulterous women to be killed in such a manner.

Yea go Iran, hopefully one day Isreal will really do the world a favor.

If you read the article it's a bit more than adultery.


A former footballer's mistress has been hanged in Iran after being convicted of murdering the player's wife.

Shahla Jahed was hanged at dawn after spending more than eight years in jail in a case that has captivated the Iranian public.

Jahed had become what is known as a "temporary wife" of former soccer star Nasser Mohammad Khani.

She was charged in 2002 with stabbing Laleh Saharkhizan, the player's wife, to death and convicted of murder in 2004 and again in 2009, after her appeal was denied.

EDIT: Why have I got a little scowling face at the top corner of my post?

[Beefster]

So men are allowed to screw around outside marriage with a "temporary wife" for adulterous men and yet allow adulterous women to be killed in such a manner.

Yea go Iran, hopefully one day Isreal will really do the world a favor.

Only if you consider all murderers to be guilty of 'just a bit of slap and tickle on the side'.

[Phil D. Rolls]

http://news.uk.msn.com/world/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=155398837


Victim's son did the final act

Bet he enjoyed it

And got a good night's sleep after it. :agree:

[Future17]

So men are allowed to screw around outside marriage with a "temporary wife" for adulterous men and yet allow adulterous women to be killed in such a manner.


If you read the article it's a bit more than adultery.


Only if you consider all murderers to be guilty of 'just a bit of slap and tickle on the side'.

I'm guessing Lofarl is referring to other women in Iran who have been jailed and executed for adultery, such as Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, as opposed to the woman in this particular case.

[Betty Boop]

I'm guessing Lofarl is referring to other women in Iran who have been jailed and executed for adultery, such as Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, as opposed to the woman in this particular case.

She has not been executed yet.

[Future17]

I'm guessing Lofarl is referring to other women in Iran who have been jailed and executed for adultery, such as Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, as opposed to the woman in this particular case.


She has not been executed yet.

Sorry, I worded my post poorly. I should have said many women have been jailed or executed for adultery.

[hibsdaft]

headlines for this story haven't been very helpful as they have (purposely?) not highlighted the murder she is meant to have committed.

solidarity with the young women who fairly regularly turn on the ****bag "morality police" at great risk to themselves.

[Sir David Gray]

That's what Sharia law does for you...:rolleyes:

And there's a hardcore section of people who are determined for it to be fully introduced here, warts and all, whilst many people are totally unaware of the kind of consequences that it would have on the country.

For a start, its introduction would be absolutely disastrous for women as is demonstrated in this case, and many other cases, when Sharia law has been implemented, men have continually been shown much more leniency than women, despite being accused of the same crimes.

I don't actually have a problem with there being legislation against adultery but to have the death penalty as the punishment for it is completely disproportionate.

As for the woman who was executed for murder, there are serious doubts about the safety of her conviction and many suspect that she was pressured into admitting her guilt.

That would not surprise me one bit as far as Iran's concerned.


So men are allowed to screw around outside marriage with a "temporary wife" for adulterous men and yet allow adulterous women to be killed in such a manner.

Yea go Iran, hopefully one day Isreal will really do the world a favor.

Steady on there, you need to be careful with those types of statements on here. You'll have a whole list of people on here coming after you for making any kind of show of support towards Israel.

As it happens, I actually think it's too late to do anything about Iran. I think it's a similar situation to Germany in WWII in that they were ignored for too long and by the time people realised what they were really like, Hitler had strengthened his military forces so much that it made dealing with the Germans a lot harder and war was the only option. As far as Iran's concerned, the delay has given them the time they needed to develop their nuclear weapons and it can only end one way now.

They should have been stopped years ago before they had come to a position of strength. According to the revelations that have come out as a result of these Wikileaks leaks, even Iran's fellow Muslim nations aren't fond of their regime and wanted the USA to bomb their nuclear facilities.

[Dashing Bob S]

I travel a lot to Iran on business. Wonderful country full of the friendliest, most sophisticated people (and some of the mist beautiful women) on the planet. The terrible regimes that unfortunate country has 'enjoyed' from the Shah onwards is nothing short of a modern tragedy.

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http://news.uk.msn.com/world/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=155398837

Victim's son did the final act

Bet he enjoyed it






And got a good night's sleep after it. :agree:



:agree:


And I'm sure he do it again if circumstances demanded it...


BTW - do either of you gentlemen know how long it takes a person to die in the circumstances described? That's not justice - that's revenge, and bloody sadistic revenge at that.

[Mibbes Aye]

I travel a lot to Iran on business. Wonderful country full of the friendliest, most sophisticated people (and some of the mist beautiful women) on the planet. The terrible regimes that unfortunate country has 'enjoyed' from the Shah onwards is nothing short of a modern tragedy.

Fascinating country with a history and complexities that go way beyond the lazy stereotypes many of the less thoughtful in the West seem happy to subscribe to. I suppose it's easier to have your 'opinion' forcefed to you and just regurgitate it.

All the more fascinating when you consider that it's within living memory for some Iranians when the American and British governments overthrew a democratically-elected Iranian prime minister and imposed a puppet regime. Iran's crime - they wanted the oil that was found in their country to be theirs. Not that different from many Scots really.

Back to the earlier point though, I agree wholeheartedly. It would be great if the state of Israel was prepared to take action against countries that sanction the death penalty. Perhaps they could start with the worst offender, China?

Or perhaps they could demonstrate their principles by not buying arms from one of the other leading offenders, the USA???

[poolman]

:agree:


And I'm sure he do it again if circumstances demanded it...


BTW - do either of you gentlemen know how long it takes a person to die in the circumstances described? That's not justice - that's revenge, and bloody sadistic revenge at that.


No Doddie I dont

Looked it up tho, between ten and twenty minutes

I'm sure the son probably preferred the latter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging


In all these cowboy films its just about right away tho :wink:

[GhostofBolivar]

All the more fascinating when you consider that it's within living memory for some Iranians when the American and British governments overthrew a democratically-elected Iranian prime minister and imposed a puppet regime. Iran's crime - they wanted the oil that was found in their country to be theirs. Not that different from many Scots really.

Funded by those wonderful defenders of liberty, Harry Truman and Winston Churchill. A coup that was orchestrated by a CIA official named Kermit Roosevelt - giving a whole new interpretation to the phrase 'puppet regime'. [joke courtesy of Rob Newman]

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No Doddie I dont

Looked it up tho, between ten and twenty minutes

I'm sure the son probably preferred the latter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging


In all these cowboy films its just about right away tho :wink:





Actually, 10-20 minutes is a conservative estimate. It's more like an hour, although conscious fades around the 20/30-minute mark.

Maybe you shouldn't sound so approving, then... :cool2:

[Since90+2]

[QUOTE=FalkirkHibee;2652301]That's what Sharia law does for you...:rolleyes:

And there's a hardcore section of people who are determined for it to be fully introduced here, warts and all, whilst many people are totally unaware of the kind of consequences that it would have on the country.

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Woudnt worry about it too much , never in a gazillion years will Britain be under Sharia law.

[Removed]

Woudnt worry about it too much , never in a gazillion years will Britain be under Sharia law.

Really, I wouldn't bet against it.

[LiverpoolHibs]

Steady on there, you need to be careful with those types of statements on here. You'll have a whole list of people on here coming after you for making any kind of show of support towards Israel.

As it happens, I actually think it's too late to do anything about Iran. I think it's a similar situation to Germany in WWII in that they were ignored for too long and by the time people realised what they were really like, Hitler had strengthened his military forces so much that it made dealing with the Germans a lot harder and war was the only option. As far as Iran's concerned, the delay has given them the time they needed to develop their nuclear weapons and it can only end one way now.

They should have been stopped years ago before they had come to a position of strength. According to the revelations that have come out as a result of these Wikileaks leaks, even Iran's fellow Muslim nations aren't fond of their regime and wanted the USA to bomb their nuclear facilities.

Hold on, suggesting Israel should 'do the world a favour' by commiting an unprovoked and unlawful strike on Iran is 'showing support'? With friends like that...

And apparently you seem to know more about Iran's nuclear programme than the IAEA, which is strange.

[Mibbes Aye]

Hold on, suggesting Israel should 'do the world a favour' by commiting an unprovoked and unlawful strike on Iran is 'showing support'? With friends like that...

And apparently you seem to know more about Iran's nuclear programme than the IAEA, which is strange.

In fairness, Falkirkhibee has always been upfront about his beliefs - excuse me if this is inaccurate but from memory, Falkirkhibee believes that the people of Israel have been chosen by God and are more righteous than everyone else.

If that's true and they have been chosen by God and have some predestined role or fate, I'm not quite sure why FH is worried about Iran or anybody else?

Anyway, I don't think it's fair or right to make crude comparisons between the likes of Israel and Iran.

But if we had to?

How about, how many times their armies have invaded a sovereign country, whose government wasn't threatening them, in the last thirty or so years?

By my reckoning, it's 3-0 to Israel :agree:

[Mibbes Aye]

Just as an aside, and it's been mentioned before - the way Iran is portrayed in the West tends to be very one-sided. You would be excused for thinking it's some sort of fundamentalist hotbed.

It's not. It has people who would use religion, or their interpretation of faith, as a means to an end. No different from the West in that respect.

What that doesn't mean is that all people of faith are bammers. They're not here, they're not in Iran either. Unfortunately some are and for the same reasons that faith can be a massive force for good, so can it be a massive force for bad when used wrongly.

Anyway, point of this post was that I read this article in the New York Times (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/03/how-iran-derailed-a-health-crisis/?hp). It's not black and white, and it's from that particular writer's standpoint, and it's about a country struggling to make hard choices about social problems.

It will probably be boring to those who prefer things nice and simple.

Hopefully, most of us appreciate that real life isn't nice and simple.

[hibsbollah]

Just as an aside, and it's been mentioned before - the way Iran is portrayed in the West tends to be very one-sided. You would be excused for thinking it's some sort of fundamentalist hotbed.

It's not. It has people who would use religion, or their interpretation of faith, as a means to an end. No different from the West in that respect.

What that doesn't mean is that all people of faith are bammers. They're not here, they're not in Iran either. Unfortunately some are and for the same reasons that faith can be a massive force for good, so can it be a massive force for bad when used wrongly.

Anyway, point of this post was that I read this article in the New York Times (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/03/how-iran-derailed-a-health-crisis/?hp). It's not black and white, and it's from that particular writer's standpoint, and it's about a country struggling to make hard choices about social problems.

It will probably be boring to those who prefer things nice and simple.

Hopefully, most of us appreciate that real life isn't nice and simple.

There was a good thread on here awhile back about Iranian society and how its a lot more modern and progressive than people think. Look beyond the mullahs and theres definitely change happening there. Unfortunately some people see it as next in line for the 'evil tyranny=lets bomb its civilian population' solution.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Killing except in self defense is wrong wrong wrong and should be unacceptable in any state which considers itsself to be civilised.

The reason that relatives dont get a say in justice in most countries is because justice and revenge are not and should never be considered the same thing.

Does capital punishment work as a deterrant in any case ?

If it does then how come death rows in every US state that have capital punishment are never empty. In fact its not unknown for executions to be moved up in order to make room coz of overcrowding.

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Killing except in self defense is wrong wrong wrong and should be unacceptable in any state which considers itsself to be civilised.

The reason that relatives dont get a say in justice in most countries is because justice and revenge are not and should never be considered the same thing.

Does capital punishment work as a deterrant in any case ?

If it does then how come death rows in every US state that have capital punishment are never empty. In fact its not unknown for executions to be moved up in order to make room coz of overcrowding.


:agree:

It's also not unknown for people to find themselves railroaded onto Death Row bu incompetent or corrupt cops, by arrogant, vote-seeking prosecutors, and by lazy and incompetent judges and defence counsel.

I've just finished reading John Grisham's "The Innocent Man" - a TRUE story, non-fiction. The story of the State of Oklahoma vs. Ron Williamson and Dennis Fritz, with a major aside regarding the same state's prosecution of Greg Wilhoit, Tommy Ward, and Karl Fontenot. All FOUND guilty, none of them ACTUALLY guilty. Same prosecutor, one Bill Peterson, and same detectives involved.

Terrifying.

[The Green Goblin]

I travel a lot to Iran on business. Wonderful country full of the friendliest, most sophisticated people (and some of the mist beautiful women) on the planet. The terrible regimes that unfortunate country has 'enjoyed' from the Shah onwards is nothing short of a modern tragedy.

Indeed, that is also my experience of people I have met from Iran, but for some people it`s just easier to stereotype, demonise and condemn an entire country and disregard all its complexities via an absolutist black and white view of the world.

GG

[khib70]

Indeed, that is also my experience of people I have met from Iran, but for some people it`s just easier to stereotype, demonise and condemn an entire country and disregard all its complexities via an absolutist black and white view of the world.
GG
Like people routinely do on this board and elsewhere about America, Israel etc?

Like you, I have never had anything but respect and admiration for the Iranians I have met. It's the theocratic totalitarianism of the government the Iranian people wanted to throw out, but were denied their right to do so, that is open to criticism.

[(((Fergus)))]

Like people routinely do on this board and elsewhere about America, Israel etc?

Like you, I have never had anything but respect and admiration for the Iranians I have met. It's the theocratic totalitarianism of the government the Iranian people wanted to throw out, but were denied their right to do so, that is open to criticism.

I've also had only good experiences with Iranians, both ex-pats and natives - APART FROM government officials, who were exclusively ******s. Given that average Iranians are on the whole decent, tolerant (they still have basically the only Jewish community in the middle east outside Israel, although it too is dwindling), enterprising, intelligent, etc., what kind of government would want to suppress that spirit in the way it currently does?

[The Green Goblin]

Like people routinely do on this board and elsewhere about America, Israel etc?

Like you, I have never had anything but respect and admiration for the Iranians I have met. It's the theocratic totalitarianism of the government the Iranian people wanted to throw out, but were denied their right to do so, that is open to criticism.

I agree that lots of people do this in regard to many different countries, usually when something happens that merits criticism or debate, whether that is the U.S, or Iran or whoever. For example, I would condemn some of the things that happen in Iran (such as the actions of its leadership and so on) as readily as I would condemn some of the things that the U.S or Israel do, but the mistake is to generalise and just lump the entire country into the criticism - not always easy to avoid, but more helpful and, (for want of a better word) "fair" if it can be avoided, with a little more careful thought.

In this case, it just so happened that people were doing it with reference to Iran.

GG