The Boxing Mega Thread

[Pretty Boy]

For all the boxing fans on here remeber there are 3 very good fights on this weekend all of which could go either way.

Firts up it's Matthew Hatton v Roberto Belge for the EBU welterweight strap.

Hatton is a changed fighter since hooking up with Bob Shannon, looks technically decent, comfortable going the distance and far slicker than he ever was. Unbeaten in his last 8 and if he wins this a shot at the WBA title against Vyacheslav Senchenko looks possible, a remarkable acheivement for a man written of as a journeyman only a year or 2 ago.Belge is undefeated in 20 fights so this is no easy nights work though.

Then it's Carl Froch v Arthur Abraham

Both coming in off a loss, Froch in a very good fight against Mikale Kessler, Abraham after a disqualification for hitting Andre Dirrell when he was down ( Abraham was miles behind on the cards at the time). A tough one to call, Abraham is heavy handed and decent technically, Froch has a granite chin and all the heart in the world. The WBC super middleweight title is on the line.

And last up it's Juan Manuel Marquez v Michael katsidis

A pound for pound top 5 against a hungry, hard hitting Aussie. Katsidis reminds me a lot of a younger Ricky Hatton, a good inside pressure fighter who is underrated as a boxer. He admits he likes to hit hard early to upset his opponent and put him into crisis mode where he starts making mistakes, he won't give Marquez a moments peace. Marquez is a beautiful boxer, technically excellent. His biggest strength in this fight is he manages crisis well. Down 3 times against Pacquaio in round 1 and came back to earn a draw and arguably win the fight, took a lot of punches for 9 rounds v Diaz and stayed composed to win by KO, won the rematch very comfortably. Both come in on the back of good wins against Mitchell and Diaz respectively and Marquez is desperate to win to set up another showdown with pacquaio and complete the trilogy. Could be explosive. WBA and WBO lightweight titles on the line.

Hatton is on Sky Sports, the other 2 on PPV on Primetime.

If your a betting man i'd be tempted by a Hatton, Froch and Marquez treble.

[IWasThere2016]

For all the boxing fans on here remeber there are 3 very good fights on this weekend all of which could go either way.

Firts up it's Matthew Hatton v Roberto Belge for the EBU welterweight strap.

Hatton is a changed fighter since hooking up with Bob Shannon, looks technically decent, comfortable going the distance and far slicker than he ever was. Unbeaten in his last 8 and if he wins this a shot at the WBA title against Vyacheslav Senchenko looks possible, a remarkable acheivement for a man written of as a journeyman only a year or 2 ago.Belge is undefeated in 20 fights so this is no easy nights work though.

Then it's Carl Froch v Arthur Abraham

Both coming in off a loss, Froch in a very good fight against Mikale Kessler, Abraham after a disqualification for hitting Andre Dirrell when he was down ( Abraham was miles behind on the cards at the time). A tough one to call, Abraham is heavy handed and decent technically, Froch has a granite chin and all the heart in the world. The WBC super middleweight title is on the line.

And last up it's Juan Manuel Marquez v Michael katsidis

A pound for pound top 5 against a hungry, hard hitting Aussie. Katsidis reminds me a lot of a younger Ricky Hatton, a good inside pressure fighter who is underrated as a boxer. He admits he likes to hit hard early to upset his opponent and put him into crisis mode where he starts making mistakes, he won't give Marquez a moments peace. Marquez is a beautiful boxer, technically excellent. His biggest strength in this fight is he manages crisis well. Down 3 times against Pacquaio in round 1 and came back to earn a draw and arguably win the fight, took a lot of punches for 9 rounds v Diaz and stayed composed to win by KO, won the rematch very comfortably. Both come in on the back of good wins against Mitchell and Diaz respectively and Marquez is desperate to win to set up another showdown with pacquaio and complete the trilogy. Could be explosive. WBA and WBO lightweight titles on the line.

Hatton is on Sky Sports, the other 2 on PPV on Primetime.

If your a betting man i'd be tempted by a Hatton, Froch and Marquez treble.

Would like to see Marquez - might have to visit ma pal Justin to view :greengrin

[Woody1985]

Marquez will be good a good fight. I think the froch fight is fifteen quid. **** that!

[Pretty Boy]

Marquez will be good a good fight. I think the froch fight is fifteen quid. **** that!

:agree:

I like Froch but his style is hardly fan friendly, although the Kessler fight was a cracker. The rip off for me is that they are charging an extra £4.99 for the Marquez fight. If they put the 2 in one package i would have bought it, now i'm likely to head to Iraq or my mate Justins.

The whole super 6 has been a bit of a flop TBH although there have been a few decent fights out of it and the emergence of Andre Ward is a positive. The fact Sky didn't even bother to bid for the rights to the Super 6 yet spent a fortune hyping up the joke that was Haye v Harrison is farcical.

[IWasThere2016]

Hatton is on at 10 - SS1 :thumbsup:

[Pretty Boy]

Hatton is on at 10 - SS1 :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

Another great win for Matthew and he has now given himself a real shot at a world title.

No more than he deserves, a true professional who has battled for everything he has acheived. Criminally neglected by Billy Graham and his promoters over the years, he is now showing what he can do with a focussed trainer and a promoter who truly cares for him. A massive congratulations to Matthew Hatton and heres hoping his big brother can set him up with the shot at the world title he deserves, really chuffed for him.

[IWasThere2016]

:thumbsup:

Another great win for Matthew and he has now given himself a real shot at a world title.

No more than he deserves, a true professional who has battled for everything he has acheived. Criminally neglected by Billy Graham and his promoters over the years, he is now showing what he can do with a focussed trainer and a promoter who truly cares for him. A massive congratulations to Matthew Hatton and heres hoping his big brother can set him up with the shot at the world title he deserves, really chuffed for him.

Thoroughly deserved win :agree:

[Pretty Boy]

Froch by UD, won every round and looked very mpressive against a very tough opponent.

Marquez by TKO in 9. Definite contender for fight of the year, neeither he nor Katsidis took a step backward all night. Only complaint is that the ref maybe stopped it a bit early.

Wish i had have taken my own advice and put the treble on.:grr:

[Marabou Stork]

:thumbsup:

Another great win for Matthew and he has now given himself a real shot at a world title.

No more than he deserves, a true professional who has battled for everything he has acheived. Criminally neglected by Billy Graham and his promoters over the years, he is now showing what he can do with a focussed trainer and a promoter who truly cares for him. A massive congratulations to Matthew Hatton and heres hoping his big brother can set him up with the shot at the world title he deserves, really chuffed for him.

There's talk of him fighting Saul Alvarez next time out. Hatton has improved considerably in the last year or so, but that fight would be a massacre. I understand wanting to up your level of opponent, but there's no way he should be taking this fight.

[Pretty Boy]

There's talk of him fighting Saul Alvarez next time out. Hatton has improved considerably in the last year or so, but that fight would be a massacre. I understand wanting to up your level of opponent, but there's no way he should be taking this fight.

:agree:

Saul Alvarez would be a tough, tough nights work for Hatton.

I think Alvarez is scheduled to fight Lovemore N'Dou sometime soon, Hatton managed a draw with N'Dou a while back so he might use that as a guide before deciding on the fight. The last time i watched Alvarez fight was when he beat Jose Miguel Cotto in May and he looked very good.

I guess it comes down to whether Hatton is happy to defend the EBU belt a few more times, make a decent wedge and retire having surpassed any expectation of him. Or if he has the ambition, like Ricky in his later career, to go out and fight the best available opponents and try to test himself at the highest possible level.

Either way fighting Alvarez in his next fight would be a bad move.

[Toaods]

anyone going through to the Burns fight this weekend?

[Woody1985]

No, heard it was £50 for a ticket. Is that right?

I'm going to the Scottish National Amateur fights down Leith on Sunday. At the masonic club I think.

[ancienthibby]

For all the boxing fans on here remeber there are 3 very good fights on this weekend all of which could go either way.

Firts up it's Matthew Hatton v Roberto Belge for the EBU welterweight strap.

Hatton is a changed fighter since hooking up with Bob Shannon, looks technically decent, comfortable going the distance and far slicker than he ever was. Unbeaten in his last 8 and if he wins this a shot at the WBA title against Vyacheslav Senchenko looks possible, a remarkable acheivement for a man written of as a journeyman only a year or 2 ago.Belge is undefeated in 20 fights so this is no easy nights work though.

Then it's Carl Froch v Arthur Abraham

Both coming in off a loss, Froch in a very good fight against Mikale Kessler, Abraham after a disqualification for hitting Andre Dirrell when he was down ( Abraham was miles behind on the cards at the time). A tough one to call, Abraham is heavy handed and decent technically, Froch has a granite chin and all the heart in the world. The WBC super middleweight title is on the line.

And last up it's Juan Manuel Marquez v Michael katsidis

A pound for pound top 5 against a hungry, hard hitting Aussie. Katsidis reminds me a lot of a younger Ricky Hatton, a good inside pressure fighter who is underrated as a boxer. He admits he likes to hit hard early to upset his opponent and put him into crisis mode where he starts making mistakes, he won't give Marquez a moments peace. Marquez is a beautiful boxer, technically excellent. His biggest strength in this fight is he manages crisis well. Down 3 times against Pacquaio in round 1 and came back to earn a draw and arguably win the fight, took a lot of punches for 9 rounds v Diaz and stayed composed to win by KO, won the rematch very comfortably. Both come in on the back of good wins against Mitchell and Diaz respectively and Marquez is desperate to win to set up another showdown with pacquaio and complete the trilogy. Could be explosive. WBA and WBO lightweight titles on the line.

Hatton is on Sky Sports, the other 2 on PPV on Primetime.

If your a betting man i'd be tempted by a Hatton, Froch and Marquez treble.

Pulverising another party with your fists should be outlawed, be it in a ring or the domestic home!!

Anyone who supports doing damage to another party with hands/fists deserves the full outrage of the law to be applied against them.:agree:

[marinello59]

Pulverising another party with your fists should be outlawed, be it in a ring or the domestic home!!

Anyone who supports doing damage to another party with hands/fists deserves the full outrage of the law to be applied against them.:agree:

There's a bit of a difference between domestic violence and a controlled, skillfull sporting event isn't there?

[ancienthibby]

There's a bit of a difference between domestic violence and a controlled, skillfull sporting event isn't there?

Indeed.

Inside of a ring you have rules; outside you don't.

End purpose is the same.

[marinello59]

Indeed.

Inside of a ring you have rules; outside you don't.

End purpose is the same.

I wouldn't go phoning the police to raid boxing events just yet.

[ancienthibby]

I wouldn't go phoning the police to raid boxing events just yet.

Didn't plan to!!:devil:

[seanraff07]

Bit of a random question here, i really want to get into watching Boxing and just being a little more wary of all the boxers etc.. but i'm finding it impossible, any suggestions of how i can keep up to date?

[Pretty Boy]

Bit of a random question here, i really want to get into watching Boxing and just being a little more wary of all the boxers etc.. but i'm finding it impossible, any suggestions of how i can keep up to date?

The best bet for getting up to date with British boxing is to watch Ringside and Saturday Fight Night on Sky. If you watch these for a month or 2 you will quickly start to recognise the same faces appearing again and again. These shows usually show all the British domestic title bouts as well as any European title bouts that involve a Brit as well so you will start to work out who is domestically the top dog in each division. The undercards also showcase some up and coming talent.

As for casting the net further afield it is a bit more difficult. Eurosport occasionally show boxing from Spain and Italy but it's so infrequest it's hard to follow. ESPN cover a bit of American boxing but it's hard to follow the domestic scene in the USA and Mexico, again due to how infrquent it is. Sky will generally show all the big 'super fights' involving household names like your Mayweathers, Pacquaios, Klitschkos, Marquez etc etc.

The best bet at first, IMO, is to pick a few boxers to 'support' and follow what they are up to, who they are fighting and try to watch all their fights either on TV or on the internet (using a legal viewing site only of course:wink:). I started of supporting most of the British boxers in big fights way back when Eubank, Benn, Bruno etc were still around and my love of the sport evolved from there. I still follow British fightesr in high profile fights closely but have also developed a decent knowledge of the domestic scene and have watched boxers like Kevin Mitchell, John and Joe Murray, Nathan Cleverley, Rendall Munroe etc go from being first on thee undercard to the verge of world titles. I have also watched the careers of Floyd Mayweather, Jose Luis castillo and the much missed Arturo Gatti develop and prosper.

For keeping up to date with whats going on boxrec.com is a great site for fighters records and schedules as it has a database of just about every boxer going including absolute journeymen. Domestically Ricky Hattons website, hattonboxing.tv, is very good for results and also has quite an indepth look at the amateur scene in Britain as well.

I know this has been a bit of a ramble but hopefully theres a few useful pieces of info in here.

[seanraff07]

The best bet for getting up to date with British boxing is to watch Ringside and Saturday Fight Night on Sky. If you watch these for a month or 2 you will quickly start to recognise the same faces appearing again and again. These shows usually show all the British domestic title bouts as well as any European title bouts that involve a Brit as well so you will start to work out who is domestically the top dog in each division. The undercards also showcase some up and coming talent.

As for casting the net further afield it is a bit more difficult. Eurosport occasionally show boxing from Spain and Italy but it's so infrequest it's hard to follow. ESPN cover a bit of American boxing but it's hard to follow the domestic scene in the USA and Mexico, again due to how infrquent it is. Sky will generally show all the big 'super fights' involving household names like your Mayweathers, Pacquaios, Klitschkos, Marquez etc etc.

The best bet at first, IMO, is to pick a few boxers to 'support' and follow what they are up to, who they are fighting and try to watch all their fights either on TV or on the internet (using a legal viewing site only of course:wink:). I started of supporting most of the British boxers in big fights way back when Eubank, Benn, Bruno etc were still around and my love of the sport evolved from there. I still follow British fightesr in high profile fights closely but have also developed a decent knowledge of the domestic scene and have watched boxers like Kevin Mitchell, John and Joe Murray, Nathan Cleverley, Rendall Munroe etc go from being first on thee undercard to the verge of world titles. I have also watched the careers of Floyd Mayweather, Jose Luis castillo and the much missed Arturo Gatti develop and prosper.

For keeping up to date with whats going on boxrec.com is a great site for fighters records and schedules as it has a database of just about every boxer going including absolute journeymen. Domestically Ricky Hattons website, hattonboxing.tv, is very good for results and also has quite an indepth look at the amateur scene in Britain as well.

I know this has been a bit of a ramble but hopefully theres a few useful pieces of info in here.

Cheers mate, great help!:thumbsup:

[carnoustiehibee]

if you get the chance,watch carl frampton v gavin reid tonight on ch433 or on tinternet. looks a really good boxer that should go far.

[seanraff07]

Ricky Burns is defending his WBO super-featherweight title for the first time tonight.

[Pretty Boy]

Ricky Burns is defending his WBO super-featherweight title for the first time tonight.

And defended it well. Not the best opponent but a guy who barely took a backwards step and showed true heart and determination. Only real criticism would be that Ricky maybe needs to learn at the level he is now at he needs to be a bit more ruthless and get guys out of there when he gets half a chance.

[seanraff07]

Yep think he's only had 7 K.O's from 30 fights or something?

[Pretty Boy]

This weekend sees another great line up of fights and a couple of mismatches into the bargain.

We kick off in Liverpool with:

Matthew Macklin v Ruben Varon- Macklin wins this one, probably within the distance.

Tony Bellew v Ovill McKenzie- Bellew for me

Kell Brook v Philip Kotey- Brook wins.

Nathan Cleverley v Alejandro Lakaotos- Cleverley by stoppage

James DeGale v Paul Smith- If DeGale concentrates and avoids showboating he wins, if he tries to act the clown an upset could be on the cards.

Unfortunately Frankie Gavin has had to pull out of his bout but he is an undoubted star in the making and potential future World Champion.

Then it's a quick stopover in Germany for:

Wladimir Klitschko v Derrick Chisora- Klitschko by mid round stoppage, Del Boy to give a better account of himself than people think though.

The of to the US of A for a few cracking fights

Amir Khan v Marcos Maidaina- Khan avoids the heavy handed shots he wins by UD or late stoppage

Devon Alexander v Timothy Bradley- The winner will be in a position to fight Khan in a light welter unification bout.

Jean Pascal v Bernard Hopkins- Pascal is favourite and a hell of a fighter but i fancy the wily old fox Hopkins to pull another big victory out the bag.

Also watch out for Adamek v Maddalone- Adamke is being touted as a possible future opponent for David Haye. Huck v Ledebev, Ortiz v Peterson, Darchinyan v Mares and Mayorga v Walker complete the line up on the major cards this weekend.

Enjoy.

[Golden Bear]

And defended it well. Not the best opponent but a guy who barely took a backwards step and showed true heart and determination. Only real criticism would be that Ricky maybe needs to learn at the level he is now at he needs to be a bit more ruthless and get guys out of there when he gets half a chance.

I'm not a connasseur of boxing by any means but I did enjoy this fight.

And being relatively ignorant as far as the technicalities of boxing are concerned, I was very surprised that Burns was awarded every round, as to a layman like me, his opponent showed far more aggression throughout and i'd have thought that the outcome should have been much closer than it was.

[Ritchie]

This weekend sees another great line up of fights and a couple of mismatches into the bargain.

We kick off in Liverpool with:

Matthew Macklin v Ruben Varon- Macklin wins this one, probably within the distance.

Tony Bellew v Ovill McKenzie- Bellew for me

Kell Brook v Philip Kotey- Brook wins.

Nathan Cleverley v Alejandro Lakaotos- Cleverley by stoppage

James DeGale v Paul Smith- If DeGale concentrates and avoids showboating he wins, if he tries to act the clown an upset could be on the cards.

Unfortunately Frankie Gavin has had to pull out of his bout but he is an undoubted star in the making and potential future World Champion.

Then it's a quick stopover in Germany for:

Wladimir Klitschko v Derrick Chisora- Klitschko by mid round stoppage, Del Boy to give a better account of himself than people think though.

The of to the US of A for a few cracking fights

Amir Khan v Marcos Maidaina- Khan avoids the heavy handed shots he wins by UD or late stoppage

Devon Alexander v Timothy Bradley- The winner will be in a position to fight Khan in a light welter unification bout.

Jean Pascal v Bernard Hopkins- Pascal is favourite and a hell of a fighter but i fancy the wily old fox Hopkins to pull another big victory out the bag.

Also watch out for Adamek v Maddalone- Adamke is being touted as a possible future opponent for David Haye. Huck v Ledebev, Ortiz v Peterson, Darchinyan v Mares and Mayorga v Walker complete the line up on the major cards this weekend.

Enjoy.

if you put a 9-fold accumulator on all your recommendations its comes in at a massive 5/1 :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

I'm not a connasseur of boxing by any means but I did enjoy this fight.

And being relatively ignorant as far as the technicalities of boxing are concerned, I was very surprised that Burns was awarded every round, as to a layman like me, his opponent showed far more aggression throughout and i'd have thought that the outcome should have been much closer than it was.

Pro boxing is generally scored on 3 key areas: offense, defence and ring generalship.

Whilst aggression plays a key part in offense the scoring should be, were possible, limited to acknowledging scoring shots. I think the compubox stats showed that Burns landed something like 30% of his punches to his opponents 18 or 19%. Burns had also thrown considerably more punches. When a round is close then aggression can be taken into account but if a fighter is landing considerably more punches, taking fewer punches in return and controlling key areas of the ring then he should win the round 10-9 on the 10 point + system.

It can be difficult because as you say there were times Evenson was appearing to e extremely aggressive and moving forward, however a lot of his punches were bouncing of Burns' shoulders and arms and these punches are not counted as scoring shots. A prime example of this type of fight would be De La Hoya v Mayweather. De La Hoya threw about 2 and a half times as many punches as Mayweather but landed only 17%, Mayweather on the other hand was brilliantly accurate and landed 40%+ of his punches. So many of Oscars punches bounced of shoulder, arms, the waistband or just missed completely. A lot of observers at first glance thought De La Hoya won the fight but watching back and looking at the punch stats there was a clear winner and it wasn't De La Hoya.

[Golden Bear]

Pro boxing is generally scored on 3 key areas: offense, defence and ring generalship.

Whilst aggression plays a key part in offense the scoring should be, were possible, limited to acknowledging scoring shots. I think the compubox stats showed that Burns landed something like 30% of his punches to his opponents 18 or 19%. Burns had also thrown considerably more punches. When a round is close then aggression can be taken into account but if a fighter is landing considerably more punches, taking fewer punches in return and controlling key areas of the ring then he should win the round 10-9 on the 10 point + system.

It can be difficult because as you say there were times Evenson was appearing to e extremely aggressive and moving forward, however a lot of his punches were bouncing of Burns' shoulders and arms and these punches are not counted as scoring shots. A prime example of this type of fight would be De La Hoya v Mayweather. De La Hoya threw about 2 and a half times as many punches as Mayweather but landed only 17%, Mayweather on the other hand was brilliantly accurate and landed 40%+ of his punches. So many of Oscars punches bounced of shoulder, arms, the waistband or just missed completely. A lot of observers at first glance thought De La Hoya won the fight but watching back and looking at the punch stats there was a clear winner and it wasn't De La Hoya.

:not worth

I also enjoyed the last Prizefighter night on the box. (lightweights I think). The boxers gave their all in every bout and it made for a great night's viewing.

[Pretty Boy]

:not worth

I also enjoyed the last Prizefighter night on the box. (lightweights I think). The boxers gave their all in every bout and it made for a great night's viewing.

:agree:

The Prizefighters are a great idea. The fact each fight is only 3 rounds means you are guaranteed excitement as fighters really have to go for it from the 1st bell.

They are also a great chance for up and comers to get themselves noticed, those who have lost their way to get back on track or allow a journeyman to pick up a decent pay cheque.

People can say what they like about Barry Hearn but with the Prizefighter, the PDC darts and his ideas for snooker no one can deny he knows how to put on a show.

[Pretty Boy]

Wladimir Klitschko has pulled out his fight with Derrick Chisora with a back injury.

[Dashing Bob S]

This weekend sees another great line up of fights and a couple of mismatches into the bargain.

We kick off in Liverpool with:

Matthew Macklin v Ruben Varon- Macklin wins this one, probably within the distance.

Tony Bellew v Ovill McKenzie- Bellew for me

Kell Brook v Philip Kotey- Brook wins.

Nathan Cleverley v Alejandro Lakaotos- Cleverley by stoppage

James DeGale v Paul Smith- If DeGale concentrates and avoids showboating he wins, if he tries to act the clown an upset could be on the cards.

Unfortunately Frankie Gavin has had to pull out of his bout but he is an undoubted star in the making and potential future World Champion.

Then it's a quick stopover in Germany for:

Wladimir Klitschko v Derrick Chisora- Klitschko by mid round stoppage, Del Boy to give a better account of himself than people think though.

The of to the US of A for a few cracking fights

Amir Khan v Marcos Maidaina- Khan avoids the heavy handed shots he wins by UD or late stoppage

Devon Alexander v Timothy Bradley- The winner will be in a position to fight Khan in a light welter unification bout.

Jean Pascal v Bernard Hopkins- Pascal is favourite and a hell of a fighter but i fancy the wily old fox Hopkins to pull another big victory out the bag.

Also watch out for Adamek v Maddalone- Adamke is being touted as a possible future opponent for David Haye. Huck v Ledebev, Ortiz v Peterson, Darchinyan v Mares and Mayorga v Walker complete the line up on the major cards this weekend.

Enjoy.

Good calls PB, on an exciting weekend. I agree with you about Hopkins, I think he'll frustrate Pascal and take it on points.

I'm going for Maidaina to stop Khan. I think Khan is a great fighter who improved technically and is a lot harder to hit these days, but you can't do anything about your jaw and I feel there's a question mark over his.

[thekaratekid]

What time is the Khan fight on?

[BigKev]

Easy for Brook in his fight - he looked very sharp.

Think Khan is on in the early hours.

[Dashing Bob S]

I was almost right, but big respect to Khan for weathering the storm.

[Pretty Boy]

I was almost right, but big respect to Khan for weathering the storm.

:agree:

I thought he was gone in the 10th but took the shots pretty well and negotiatied the last couple of rounds skillfully to make sure of the win.

Was really impressed by Khan and he just seems to be getting better and better under the guidance of Freddie Roach. A fight with the winner of the Alexander v Bradley bout would be another step up in level for him but i'd still fancy him to beat either of those guys.

[sambajustice]

Cant believe Khans fight wasn't stopped in the 10th. Offered almost no resistance to the punches that were flying in!

Khan will be avoiding that boy at all costs from now on!

Mayweather? Dont make me laugh! Hope it happens sooner rather than later, sooner Khan gets knocked on his hole the better! I saw that khan said Mayweather in 2 years time? Deary me, what age will he be by then?

[Pretty Boy]

Cant believe Khans fight wasn't stopped in the 10th. Offered almost no resistance to the punches that were flying in!

Khan will be avoiding that boy at all costs from now on!

Mayweather? Dont make me laugh! Hope it happens sooner rather than later, sooner Khan gets knocked on his hole the better! I saw that khan said Mayweather in 2 years time? Deary me, what age will he be by then?

I actually thought it was pretty good refreeing, a rare occurence on a night that was yet another to forget for Joe Cortez. Although Khan was hurt he was still covering up and trying to defend and get off a shot or 2 of his own. As Freddie Roach said Khan was very aware were he was at the end of the 10th and was able to listen and take in instructions well, he also went on to win at least 1 of the last 2 rounds IMO. Obviosuly no one wants to see fighters hurt or taking extra punishment but i thought letting him go until the end of the round was the right decision.

As for Mayweather, he will be 35 in 2 years. Even then because of his style and the relative lack of shots he has taken he will be a young 35 if not quite as lightning fast. Whether Khan fought Mayeather tommorow or in 2 years i wouldn't bet against Mayweather, then again betting against Mayweather in any fight is not going to make you much money.

[Pretty Boy]

Scotlands John Simpson last night beat Martin Lindsay to win back the British featherweight title.

A very good win against a man ranked 6 in the world by one of the governing bodies. Simpson has now won the Lonsdale belt outright.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't suppose anyone happened to see the Pascal/Hopkins fight on Saturday?

Didn't manage to see it but heard Hopkins was robbed. Down in the 1st and the 3rd but schooled Pascal the rest of the fight, and the 1st knockdown apparently dodgy as a hint of a rabbit punch.

Hopkins may be a throughly unpleasant individual but his desire, heart and fitness to still be competing at the very top at 45 years old is incredible.

[Woody1985]

I didn't see it but read it on the boxing site you posted up so can only go by what was there.

He's some machine to still be going at that age. I was glad calzaghe beat him but whilst extremely drunk at the time I thought Hopkins won that fight.

[Pretty Boy]

I didn't see it but read it on the boxing site you posted up so can only go by what was there.

He's some machine to still be going at that age. I was glad calzaghe beat him but whilst extremely drunk at the time I thought Hopkins won that fight.

No doubt he beat Calzaghe that night. I liked Joe but he was well beaten in that fight. Hopkins was the victim of bad refereeing, he was doing a lot of good work on the inside and the ref continually called breaks when there was no need to, it wasn't holding or clinching it was someone choosing to rough their opponent up to the body on th inside.

[Woody1985]

I tried to stick 50 quid on bh after the first couple of rounds but ladbrokes weren't doing bets in fight. I was happy at the end!

[Pretty Boy]

Manny Pacquaio has signed a deal to fight Shane Mosely in May. Looks like a fight with Mayweather is even further away.

Bit of a nothing fight IMO. Mosely is still decent enough but his last 2 fights have been a beating of Mayweather and a draw with someone i can't even remember. A fairly easy win for Pacquiao i would imagine.

[Woody1985]

Pacman and pbf are really getting on my tits.

[Pretty Boy]

Pacman and pbf are really getting on my tits.

:agree: It's pathetic and i'm more convinced than ever the fight won't happen for 2 reasons.

1. If they both avoid the fight then each can retire claiming to be the better boxer, claim they would have won the fight and both preserve their 'legacy'. Personally i'd still respect whoever lost the fight as they are both brilliant boxers, unfortunately egos don't work that way.

2. Neither wants to lose the psychological battle by being seen to give into his opponents demands.

Examples:

Floyd wants drug testing up to 14 days before the fight. Manny refuses because it's not in the rules.

Manny wants 8oz gloves to be used. Floyd refuses because the rules state a welterweight contest uses 10oz gloves unless both fighters agree otherwise.

Manny wants a 22ft ring, Floyd wants 20ft. Neither will back down.

Floyd wants the fight in Vegas, Manny wants a bigger venue, preferably Dallas, neither will back down.

The constant niggling over who is the bigger draw and who deserves the bigger share of the TV money. **** 48/52 or 45/55 splits, split it 50/50 and they will both still make more money than the rest of their careers combined.

2 total egomaniacs surrounded by men with equally big egos determined to make as much money as possible out of them, it's a recipe for disaster and so it's proving.

[Dashing Bob S]

:agree: It's pathetic and i'm more convinced than ever the fight won't happen for 2 reasons.

1. If they both avoid the fight then each can retire claiming to be the better boxer, claim they would have won the fight and both preserve their 'legacy'. Personally i'd still respect whoever lost the fight as they are both brilliant boxers, unfortunately egos don't work that way.

2. Neither wants to lose the psychological battle by being seen to give into his opponents demands.

Examples:

Floyd wants drug testing up to 14 days before the fight. Manny refuses because it's not in the rules.

Manny wants 8oz gloves to be used. Floyd refuses because the rules state a welterweight contest uses 10oz gloves unless both fighters agree otherwise.

Manny wants a 22ft ring, Floyd wants 20ft. Neither will back down.

Floyd wants the fight in Vegas, Manny wants a bigger venue, preferably Dallas, neither will back down.

The constant niggling over who is the bigger draw and who deserves the bigger share of the TV money. **** 48/52 or 45/55 splits, split it 50/50 and they will both still make more money than the rest of their careers combined.

2 total egomaniacs surrounded by men with equally big egos determined to make as much money as possible out of them, it's a recipe for disaster and so it's proving.

Totally agree with this. It's underpinned by the fact that both those guys are scared of each other and sacrificing their legacy. All those differences are just get-out clauses. They are playing a cat-and-mouse game to see which one looks like they have slowed/aged first, then the other will be right in with the challenge.

I wouldn't put it past them to go at it in five years time for a payday and a last fix of the limelight, where the contest would be a lucrative media farce, rather than a duel between two legendary fighters at their peak.

[Pretty Boy]

Looks like Haye v Wlad Klitschko could be on.

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2010/12/haye-v-klitschko-is-on.html

Lets hope they can be sensible and get a venue and date sorted asap. Hoping they elect for a stadium bout, preferably Wembley, as i would absolutely love to get a ticket for this one and demand will be ridiculously high.

[Pretty Boy]

Looks like Haye v Wlad Klitschko could be on.

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2010/12/haye-v-klitschko-is-on.html

Lets hope they can be sensible and get a venue and date sorted asap. Hoping they elect for a stadium bout, preferably Wembley, as i would absolutely love to get a ticket for this one and demand will be ridiculously high.

Or not.

Wladimir Klitschko chooses to re arrange a fight with Chisora on April 30 instead.

People can call it what they like but at the end of the day the Klitschkos (or Wlad at least) are ducking Haye. Who the better boxer is is debatable but the fact is neither of the Klitschkos have fought a truly live opponent in years (Ruslan Chagaev excepted perhaps). Haye is a dangerous opponent and probably close to his prime. As Adam Booth pointed out in an interview Haye had conceded to every one of the demands made of him by the Klitschkos including some ridiculous ones yet Wlad chooses to fight Chisora instead, Chisora holds no title, beating him achieves nothing and it makes a fraction of the money he makes if he fought Haye. Bearing this in mind and if he is so confident of 'destroying' or 'killing' Haye why not take the fight that is a unification bout, makes millions and holds real prestige?

[Toaods]

People can call it what they like but at the end of the day the Klitschkos (or Wlad at least) are ducking Haye.

I read the breakdown was because of Sky Sports(on the Haye camp) as they are refusing to do 2 PPV's in April.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I read the breakdown was because of Sky Sports(on the Haye camp) as they are refusing to do 2 PPV's in April.


Haye was on the radio this morning – he said the dates given by the Klitchko’s were 30/4 or 2/7 – they chose 2/7 so there weren’t 2 PPVs within a couple of weeks of eachother.

Haye said he’d given into everything – being in Germany, 50/50 purse, weight of gloves, who was in the red corner, who’s name appeared 1st on the bill – he said as long as there’s a ring and a ref that can count to 10 he’d be there. Unfortunately the Klitchko doesn’t fancy it.

[Pretty Boy]

I read the breakdown was because of Sky Sports(on the Haye camp) as they are refusing to do 2 PPV's in April.

Indeed the case. Haye readily agreed to a fight on July 2nd. He also offered to fight anytime during May and June but was told there was no venue in Germany available for those 2 months!!

Klitschko had agreed in principle to the fight on July 2nd then arranges a fight for April 30th and claims he will fight both. A guy who has fought once in 2009 and twice in 2010 is going to make 2 defences of his title in 9 weeks? I don't think so.

As DH has saaid above Haye has given in to everything Wlad has demanded yet still a deal can't be agreed. He was willing to split 50/50 despite bringing more money to the table, he was willing to go and fight in Germany as Wlad had no desire to go to England, he was willing to let Wlad have his name first on the bill and promote it as he saw fit, he was willing to let Wlad choose his corner, have bigger gloves and a whole host of other ridiculous demands.

It seems a case of the Klitschkos realising Vitali has the better chance of beating Haye so being desperate to force Haye into the ring with him first.