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dp00
25-11-2010, 05:32 PM
Why does GB always ground to a halt when we get some snow ?

heretoday
25-11-2010, 06:20 PM
Och I ken. It's like last year. Everywhere else was snowed in except Edinburgh.

And then we got it.

Gatecrasher
25-11-2010, 06:22 PM
the vast majority of people go about their day to day business when it snows there just seems to be this city called London that grinds to a halt when it snows :greengrin

Sir David Gray
25-11-2010, 09:55 PM
I always remember about five years ago when I was still at school, I had a teacher who was Canadian and I was in his class when an announcement came on the tannoy to say that the school was being closed for the afternoon due to "heavy" snow.

He was completely speechless because what we got that day was barely a dusting compared with what he was used to during a typical Canadian winter.

Gatecrasher
25-11-2010, 10:14 PM
I always remember about five years ago when I was still at school, I had a teacher who was Canadian and I was in his class when an announcement came on the tannoy to say that the school was being closed for the afternoon due to "heavy" snow.

He was completely speechless because what we got that day was barely a dusting compared with what he was used to during a typical Canadian winter.

i heard an interview with a Canadian Journo last year during the heavy snow we had, he was saying that Canada is a lot more likely to have that kind of weather than us so they treat as more of an emergency service. Because we are less likely it would be cost effective to put the same effort as they do into it.

it was explained better than i put it but that was basicly what he said :greengrin

Mixu62
25-11-2010, 10:31 PM
It's not just in britain, it happens over here too. And they expect it every year, but it still makes headline news. Cue pictures of school-kids playing on a sledge, or (NZ stereotype alert) sheep with a foot of snow sticking to their fleeces.

s.a.m
26-11-2010, 07:22 AM
i heard an interview with a Canadian Journo last year during the heavy snow we had, he was saying that Canada is a lot more likely to have that kind of weather than us so they treat as more of an emergency service. Because we are less likely it would be cost effective to put the same effort as they do into it.

it was explained better than i put it but that was basicly what he said :greengrin

I think that's the size of it, really. Much as I enjoy watching London getting in a tizz over a light dusting of snow, (and I have first hand experience of this. Had to walk seven miles home from work because pretty much all transport was cancelled, and I had the two following days off work, because management wouldn't risk opening up. 3/4 of an inch of snow. Max.), they can't possibly justify spending Canadian - or even North of Scotland - amounts on snow preparation, because they don't get anywhere near that much snow.

Pretty Boy
26-11-2010, 08:37 AM
What i love about it is when i go on facebook and see my mates (mainly girls i might add) with ridiculous staus updates along the lines 'OMG can't believe the snow', 'Where did this come from' etc etc

I would like to point out to these people and others that this is Scotland, given our geographical location and the climate we have it is quite likely that we will get snow in the winter, we might also get some ice, wind and rain as well. It happens, deal with it.

discman
26-11-2010, 09:48 AM
I always remember about five years ago when I was still at school, I had a teacher who was Canadian and I was in his class when an announcement came on the tannoy to say that the school was being closed for the afternoon due to "heavy" snow.

He was completely speechless because what we got that day was barely a dusting compared with what he was used to during a typical Canadian winter.

The announcer was probably Neil from the" young ones" :greengrin



What i love about it is when i go on facebook and see my mates (mainly girls i might add) with ridiculous staus updates along the lines 'OMG can't believe the snow', 'Where did this come from' etc etc

I would like to point out to these people and others that this is Scotland, given our geographical location and the climate we have it is quite likely that we will get snow in the winter, we might also get some ice, wind and rain as well. It happens, deal with it.

Oooh feisty you are! :greengrin

poolman
26-11-2010, 10:42 AM
Wee aside to the snow thread

I was listening to Talk Sport early this morning before going to work

The debate was about Councils and grit supplies

One guy phoned in to say that a gritter went over Tower Bridge in London spreading its load and less than ten minutes later a roadsweeper came by and started to sweep it all up :faf:

Sir David Gray
26-11-2010, 11:07 AM
Wee aside to the snow thread

I was listening to Talk Sport early this morning before going to work

The debate was about Councils and grit supplies

One guy phoned in to say that a gritter went over Tower Bridge in London spreading its load and less than ten minutes later a roadsweeper came by and started to sweep it all up :faf:

I actually saw the very same thing happening last year.

I was going past a block of flats, that has a lot of elderly residents, during the really cold spell last winter when I saw a guy from the council spreading grit at the entrance to the flats. Five minutes after he had left, another guy came along with a brush and swept it all away.

You honestly couldn't make that up. :bitchy:

discman
26-11-2010, 11:12 AM
Wee aside to the snow thread

I was listening to Talk Sport early this morning before going to work

The debate was about Councils and grit supplies

One guy phoned in to say that a gritter went over Tower Bridge in London spreading its load and less than ten minutes later a roadsweeper came by and started to sweep it all up :faf:


I actually saw the very same thing happening last year.

I was going past a block of flats, that has a lot of elderly residents, during the really cold spell last winter when I saw a guy from the council spreading grit at the entrance to the flats. Five minutes after he had left, another guy came along with a brush and swept it all away.

You honestly couldn't make that up. :bitchy:



Obviously a conspiracy by these pesky council workers to keep their jobs, wax on wax off :greengrin

easty
26-11-2010, 11:55 PM
I'm meant to have a game tommorow at Colinton, if the snow keeps up and it gets as cold as they are predicting overnight (-6c i've read) then will my game be on? Or will the pitches be frozen?

GhostofBolivar
28-11-2010, 05:29 AM
It happens because the public are unwilling to spend any money on things like snow chains for their cars on the off chance they're needed; and the government feels the same way about snow plows. Even though both know that they likely as not will be required at some point.

Sir David Gray
28-11-2010, 09:06 AM
I just wish the global warming that they all keep talking about would hurry up and reach our shores...:rolleyes:

Sylar
28-11-2010, 09:17 AM
I just wish the global warming that they all keep talking about would hurry up and reach our shores...:rolleyes:

I wish the people who keep saying this whenever we experience a cold snap would spend some time to read the actual predictions and scientific output on global warming and climate change instead of spreading ignorant nonsensical statements like the above :greengrin

greenlex
28-11-2010, 09:24 AM
I wish the people who keep saying this whenever we experience a cold snap would spend some time to read the actual predictions and scientific output on global warming and climate change instead of spreading ignorant nonsensical statements like the above :greengrin
Folks just can't tell the difference between weather and climate.

hibbill2002
28-11-2010, 09:24 AM
I'm meant to have a game tommorow at Colinton, if the snow keeps up and it gets as cold as they are predicting overnight (-6c i've read) then will my game be on? Or will the pitches be frozen?
Take an orange ball mate.:thumbsup:

Jack
28-11-2010, 10:33 AM
I wish the people who keep saying this whenever we experience a cold snap would spend some time to read the actual predictions and scientific output on global warming and climate change instead of spreading ignorant nonsensical statements like the above :greengrin

I wish those responsible for the scientific input and output for and against would be open and honest with the data so that cause and affect could be discussed properly instead of the outright deception, from both sides, that leaves any debate or discussion absolutely worthless.

Sylar
28-11-2010, 10:47 AM
I wish those responsible for the scientific input and output for and against would be open and honest with the data so that cause and affect could be discussed properly instead of the outright deception, from both sides, that leaves any debate or discussion absolutely worthless.

You and me both - it's hard enough trying to conduct research in this field without the dishonesty, lies and manipulation from both sides :agree:

easty
28-11-2010, 10:54 AM
Take an orange ball mate.:thumbsup:

Game was off!

Phil D. Rolls
28-11-2010, 02:16 PM
What's with all these people who seem to have a stock of winter clothes; wandering around in Beghaus, North Face, using ski poles and shades, just to go to Sainsbury's for the papers.

Edinburgh is full of people with too much money to spend and too much time on their hands.

Gatecrasher
28-11-2010, 02:25 PM
What's with all these people who seem to have a stock of winter clothes; wandering around in Beghaus, North Face, using ski poles and shades, just to go to Sainsbury's for the papers.

Edinburgh is full of people with too much money to spend and too much time on their hands.

:hilarious

my guess its the same folk who drive 5MPH the second they see a snowflake

BigKev
28-11-2010, 02:31 PM
Why hadn't the council deployed any gritters last night or the night before? It's not as if they never had any warning. This morning I travelled from Liberton to Tollcross and not one street had been touched.

Liberton Brae was full of cars with wheels spinning wildly and the same pattern continued right through the Meadows. Not one road had been treated.

You'd have thought they might have learnt their lesson after last year - obviously not.

greenlex
28-11-2010, 02:56 PM
Cash. Weekend so they probably thought they could save the money on grit and overtimegrit.
Why hadn't the council deployed any gritters last night or the night before? It's not as if they never had any warning. This morning I travelled from Liberton to Tollcross and not one street had been touched.

Liberton Brae was full of cars with wheels spinning wildly and the same pattern continued right through the Meadows. Not one road had been treated.

You'd have thought they might have learnt their lesson after last year - obviously not.

Twa Cairpets
28-11-2010, 03:40 PM
Why hadn't the council deployed any gritters last night or the night before? It's not as if they never had any warning. This morning I travelled from Liberton to Tollcross and not one street had been touched.

Liberton Brae was full of cars with wheels spinning wildly and the same pattern continued right through the Meadows. Not one road had been treated.

You'd have thought they might have learnt their lesson after last year - obviously not.

Is it not the case that its largely pointless to grit over snow thats already fallen?:dunno:

Twiglet
28-11-2010, 04:41 PM
Why hadn't the council deployed any gritters last night or the night before? It's not as if they never had any warning. This morning I travelled from Liberton to Tollcross and not one street had been touched.

Liberton Brae was full of cars with wheels spinning wildly and the same pattern continued right through the Meadows. Not one road had been treated.

You'd have thought they might have learnt their lesson after last year - obviously not.


I walked up Alnwickhill Road about 1/2 an hour ago and it looked like it had been gritted a bit. Annoying thing for me is, I live right in the corner of the estate and last winter it took the council 3 weeks to come up and grit our roads and attempt to plough them (which wasn't really needed as some people in my street had cleared it with snow shovels already).
One of my neighbours asked the council last year if we could get a grit bucket at the end of our street again, they said was that they'd take note of it but no bucket has appeared. That would at least mean we might be able to get out of our street and estate and also get our rubbish picked up.

Danderhall Hibs
28-11-2010, 04:54 PM
That's all Midlothian schools closed tomorrow now - not for staff but for pupils.

When do they make up all these lost teaching days?

BigKev
28-11-2010, 06:32 PM
I walked up Alnwickhill Road about 1/2 an hour ago and it looked like it had been gritted a bit. Annoying thing for me is, I live right in the corner of the estate and last winter it took the council 3 weeks to come up and grit our roads and attempt to plough them (which wasn't really needed as some people in my street had cleared it with snow shovels already).
One of my neighbours asked the council last year if we could get a grit bucket at the end of our street again, they said was that they'd take note of it but no bucket has appeared. That would at least mean we might be able to get out of our street and estate and also get our rubbish picked up.

I'm just off Howdenhall Drive - the small hill at the bottom where it joins Alnwickhill Road was a ski slope today - there's at least 2 casualties - A van and a car - both with damage to them.

I somehow managed to get up when I got back at half 2 but still think it's shocking even the Brae or any main road were untouched.

If you're ever looking for grit for your street pop into Backlee - we've a sneaky bin for our few houses :wink:

Twa Cairpets
28-11-2010, 08:58 PM
That's all Midlothian schools closed tomorrow now - not for staff but for pupils.

When do they make up all these lost teaching days?

I blame the referees. They told lies about the snow. Oops sorry wrong thread:wink:

Sir David Gray
28-11-2010, 10:21 PM
I wish the people who keep saying this whenever we experience a cold snap would spend some time to read the actual predictions and scientific output on global warming and climate change instead of spreading ignorant nonsensical statements like the above :greengrin

Please tell me what the predictions are for Scotland then.

I really don't see all these rising temperatures etc. In the summer just past, more often than not it was actually quite cold and the thermometers rarely rose above 20 degrees celsius up here.

How can we be experiencing global warming when we have had some of the coldest temperatures in living memory over the past two winters?

As far as I'm concerned, you mention the all important word in your post - "predictions".

The people doing all this research don't know for certain that all these predictions will come true, it's just guesswork. They might have arrived at that guess by using some special equipment, but it still remains a guess. Maybe they will come true, but no-one knows that at the moment.

When five day forecasts are often incorrect, I'm sorry if I sound a bit sceptical when they try to tell people what it's going to be like in 150 years.

Mixu62
28-11-2010, 11:00 PM
Please tell me what the predictions are for Scotland then.

I really don't see all these rising temperatures etc. In the summer just past, more often than not it was actually quite cold and the thermometers rarely rose above 20 degrees celsius up here.

How can we be experiencing global warming when we have had some of the coldest temperatures in living memory over the past two winters?

As far as I'm concerned, you mention the all important word in your post - "predictions".

The people doing all this research don't know for certain that all these predictions will come true, it's just guesswork. They might have arrived at that guess by using some special equipment, but it still remains a guess. Maybe they will come true, but no-one knows that at the moment.

When five day forecasts are often incorrect, I'm sorry if I sound a bit sceptical when they try to tell people what it's going to be like in 150 years.


the theory I heard is that global warming will lead to the UK becomming colder. The gulf stream will be affected by the excess of cold fresh-water from polar ice-cap melt, meaning fewer warm fronts from the atlantic and more cold ones from the arctic. Globally temperatures are rising very slightly, but sadly that doesn't mean Scotland will turn into Barbados!:greengrin

greenlex
29-11-2010, 01:04 AM
If the rest of the Lothians and Edinburgh is like where I am at the moment then no one will be going anywhere in the morning. I wonder if I stayed here Iwould get overtime?

Ants
29-11-2010, 06:48 AM
If the rest of the Lothians and Edinburgh is like where I am at the moment then no one will be going anywhere in the morning. I wonder if I stayed here Iwould get overtime?

Main roads are slushy, buses just coping but many only doing a part route.
All council schools closed in Edinburgh....
## Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow ##

Twa Cairpets
29-11-2010, 07:57 AM
Please tell me what the predictions are for Scotland then.

I really don't see all these rising temperatures etc. In the summer just past, more often than not it was actually quite cold and the thermometers rarely rose above 20 degrees celsius up here.

How can we be experiencing global warming when we have had some of the coldest temperatures in living memory over the past two winters?

As far as I'm concerned, you mention the all important word in your post - "predictions".

The people doing all this research don't know for certain that all these predictions will come true, it's just guesswork. They might have arrived at that guess by using some special equipment, but it still remains a guess. Maybe they will come true, but no-one knows that at the moment.

When five day forecasts are often incorrect, I'm sorry if I sound a bit sceptical when they try to tell people what it's going to be like in 150 years.

Here you go. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2003/nov/13/comment.research) In summary, it's tied in with the disruption and displacement of the gulf stream and other ocean currents. We lose the warming effect of this, we get colder.

The view that "it's baltic here, it can't be global warming" is parochial in the extreme.

Twiglet
29-11-2010, 08:54 AM
I'm just off Howdenhall Drive - the small hill at the bottom where it joins Alnwickhill Road was a ski slope today - there's at least 2 casualties - A van and a car - both with damage to them.

I somehow managed to get up when I got back at half 2 but still think it's shocking even the Brae or any main road were untouched.

If you're ever looking for grit for your street pop into Backlee - we've a sneaky bin for our few houses :wink:


Somehow I think the grit may be a bit useless today.:wink:

Alnwickhill Road is driveable, just a shame we can't get there and if you want to come up from Liberton Drive you'll need to go up the wrong side as the ploughs have blocked the side of the road up the hill.

Also saw 2 ploughs going along Liberton Drive towards the Braids. Completely useless though, those roads are clear of snow and gritted.

Lucius Apuleius
29-11-2010, 09:51 AM
Here you go. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2003/nov/13/comment.research) In summary, it's tied in with the disruption and displacement of the gulf stream and other ocean currents. We lose the warming effect of this, we get colder.

The view that "it's baltic here, it can't be global warming" is parochial in the extreme.

'Mon the parochialists!!!!:greengrin: I got home from Naija on Wednesday and just sent an email to the HR department asking if I can change my ticket and go back early!!!!

BigKev
29-11-2010, 10:13 AM
Somehow I think the grit may be a bit useless today.:wink:

Alnwickhill Road is driveable, just a shame we can't get there and if you want to come up from Liberton Drive you'll need to go up the wrong side as the ploughs have blocked the side of the road up the hill.

Also saw 2 ploughs going along Liberton Drive towards the Braids. Completely useless though, those roads are clear of snow and gritted.

Sounds about par for the course! I took the dog out for a walk this morning and the snow is up to his neck (he's a collie!). Don't think I've ever seen so many folk walking about the estate and there must be about ten folk just out taking pictures!

The main road now is far better than yesterday but the pavements are full of the snow ploughed from the carriageway so you can't walk on them and have to go on the road!

How much longer is this to last? A week?

Steve20
29-11-2010, 10:40 AM
How much longer is this to last? A week?


Definately for the rest of this week, probably into next week apparantly.

Sylar
29-11-2010, 10:59 AM
Please tell me what the predictions are for Scotland then.

I really don't see all these rising temperatures etc. In the summer just past, more often than not it was actually quite cold and the thermometers rarely rose above 20 degrees celsius up here.

How can we be experiencing global warming when we have had some of the coldest temperatures in living memory over the past two winters?

As far as I'm concerned, you mention the all important word in your post - "predictions".

The people doing all this research don't know for certain that all these predictions will come true, it's just guesswork. They might have arrived at that guess by using some special equipment, but it still remains a guess. Maybe they will come true, but no-one knows that at the moment.

When five day forecasts are often incorrect, I'm sorry if I sound a bit sceptical when they try to tell people what it's going to be like in 150 years.

http://ukclimateprojections.defra.gov.uk/images/stories/projections_pdfs/UKCP09_Projections_V2.pdf

Knock yourself out.

If you wish to just read summery tables and outputs (a very dangerous way to formulate opinions/arguments) then you can just look at the website:

http://ukclimateprojections.defra.gov.uk

The website also covers the very complex models/algorithms and projection frameworks used in the "guesswork".

Phil D. Rolls
29-11-2010, 11:10 AM
:hilarious

my guess its the same folk who drive 5MPH the second they see a snowflake

:agree: In 4x4s.

lapsedhibee
29-11-2010, 11:25 AM
But who is The Catholic Observer calling on to resign or be sacked for this now perennial snow fiasco? :dunno:

CropleyWasGod
29-11-2010, 11:30 AM
But who is The Catholic Observer calling on to resign or be sacked for this now perennial snow fiasco? :dunno:

God. He's a proddy *******, apparently.

(I am now crossing myself furiously as I'm about to brave the roads.)

Bad Martini
29-11-2010, 11:33 AM
I wish the people who keep saying this whenever we experience a cold snap would spend some time to read the actual predictions and scientific output on global warming and climate change instead of spreading ignorant nonsensical statements like the above :greengrin

Touche :greengrin

I, on the other hand, wish the Americans would stop polluting every last shred of the O-Zone layer we have left.

Scientific evidence would suggest this planet NATURALLY cools and heats and has done for thousands of years, with NO help from man.

...it also suggests, the big **** off hole WAS created by us. Thats not the cause of the heat/cold (as we've had it for thousands of years) but thats certainly made by us or rather, the Americans and Chinese :greengrin

So there :rules::smug::whistle::na na:

Bad Martini
29-11-2010, 11:33 AM
But who is The Catholic Observer calling on to resign or be sacked for this now perennial snow fiasco? :dunno:

The entire rangers board, playing staff and all others I hope :greengrin

hibsbollah
29-11-2010, 11:33 AM
I see Sweden and finlands schools are closed and transport system in chaos, despite them being used to heavy snowfall. It's just a myth that we're any worse than most other countries in this respect IMO

Phil D. Rolls
29-11-2010, 11:36 AM
But who is The Catholic Observer calling on to resign or be sacked for this now perennial snow fiasco? :dunno:

Every Protestant in Scotland, as well as Italian and Polish Catholics. I think it is time for balanced Catholics to step up to the plate, lest sh*t stirrers like this are seen as the only opinion on the matter.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland/Hugh-Dallas-email-39an-example.6642879.jp

To say that there has been widespread anti Catholic feeling since the reformation is hardly accurate, and is a slap in the face for those Protestants who have shown tolerance. I really thought we had moved on from this sort of nonsense.

Bad Martini
29-11-2010, 11:37 AM
Every Protestant in Scotland, as well as Italian and Polish Catholics. I think it is time for balanced Catholics to step up to the plate, lest sh*t stirrers like this are seen as the only opinion on the matter.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland/Hugh-Dallas-email-39an-example.6642879.jp

To say that there has been widespread anti Catholic feeling since the reformation is hardly accurate, and is a slap in the face for those Protestants who have shown tolerance.

This is why Lennon had it on the money.

"and no religion too".

Nobody can prove their "side" is right or better than the other til their deid.

Thus, why try?

ENDOF

RyeSloan
29-11-2010, 01:37 PM
Every Protestant in Scotland, as well as Italian and Polish Catholics. I think it is time for balanced Catholics to step up to the plate, lest sh*t stirrers like this are seen as the only opinion on the matter.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland/Hugh-Dallas-email-39an-example.6642879.jp

To say that there has been widespread anti Catholic feeling since the reformation is hardly accurate, and is a slap in the face for those Protestants who have shown tolerance. I really thought we had moved on from this sort of nonsense.

Really? The history of our own club would give evidence to the contrary.

His actual quote is:

"It [Anti Catholic Bigotry] has existed since the Reformation and its viciousness was renewed and deepened when the first Irish migrants arrived a century and a half ago," Mr Kearney wrote.

"Our grandparents and even our parents suffered intolerance and persecution. We will not tolerate it. We will not laugh it off - because there is no funny side."

Hardly sounds like sh*t stirring, more of a comment with elements of an uncomfortable truth in it I would say.

Sir David Gray
29-11-2010, 01:38 PM
the theory I heard is that global warming will lead to the UK becomming colder. The gulf stream will be affected by the excess of cold fresh-water from polar ice-cap melt, meaning fewer warm fronts from the atlantic and more cold ones from the arctic. Globally temperatures are rising very slightly, but sadly that doesn't mean Scotland will turn into Barbados!:greengrin


Here you go. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2003/nov/13/comment.research) In summary, it's tied in with the disruption and displacement of the gulf stream and other ocean currents. We lose the warming effect of this, we get colder.

The view that "it's baltic here, it can't be global warming" is parochial in the extreme.


http://ukclimateprojections.defra.gov.uk/images/stories/projections_pdfs/UKCP09_Projections_V2.pdf

Knock yourself out.

If you wish to just read summery tables and outputs (a very dangerous way to formulate opinions/arguments) then you can just look at the website:

http://ukclimateprojections.defra.gov.uk

The website also covers the very complex models/algorithms and projection frameworks used in the "guesswork".

Cheers for all the responses.

So, in actual fact, global warming will really result in Scotland becoming colder? Does anyone else spot the irony in that or is it just me!? :wink:

Right enough, I had noticed that most of the articles and reports on this subject had resorted to talking about "climate change" instead of "global warming". Maybe that's why.

FAO The Story So Far... - Thanks for providing all these links. I had a look through a fair bit of what you supplied there and I'll try to read the rest of it if I ever manage to get a spare couple of years. :greengrin

Sylar
29-11-2010, 01:58 PM
Cheers for all the responses.

So, in actual fact, global warming will really result in Scotland becoming colder? Does anyone else spot the irony in that or is it just me!? :wink:

Right enough, I had noticed that most of the articles and reports on this subject had resorted to talking about "climate change" instead of "global warming". Maybe that's why.

FAO The Story So Far... - Thanks for providing all these links. I had a look through a fair bit of what you supplied there and I'll try to read the rest of it if I ever manage to get a spare couple of years. :greengrin

It's taken me the best part 4 years to read through and understand most of the projections and methods :greengrin

Your initial point is completely wrong - "global warming" can lead to a cooling effect, but at very long time cycles - it certainly won't lead to a cooling in Scotland in the next few decades - to summarise the temperature projections for Scotland:


The average winter temperature (December/January/February) in the ‘Scotland’ grid cell in the period 1961-90 was 2.2°C, and in the ‘Scotland/England borders’ grid cell for the same period was 3.0°C. Similarly, the average summer temperature (June/July/August) in the Scotland grid cell was 11.9°C in the period 1961-90 and13.3°C for the southern cell for the same period.

2.12 All four scenarios suggest warming will occur in Scotland by between approximately 0.1 to 0.3°C per decade, which is similar to the predicted global average. The scenarios suggest the average annual temperature rises, from the 1961-90 average, shown in Table 2.1. Figure 2.1 shows graphically the range of possible temperature changes described by the two extreme end-members of the four UKCIP scenarios, the High and Low scenarios. (UKCP09, 2009)

Certainly, the research I've been working on, which looks at climate data from the past 30 years across Scotland, identifies increasing trends for both temperature and winter precipitation.

Phil D. Rolls
29-11-2010, 03:03 PM
Really? The history of our own club would give evidence to the contrary.

His actual quote is:

"It [Anti Catholic Bigotry] has existed since the Reformation and its viciousness was renewed and deepened when the first Irish migrants arrived a century and a half ago," Mr Kearney wrote.

"Our grandparents and even our parents suffered intolerance and persecution. We will not tolerate it. We will not laugh it off - because there is no funny side."

Hardly sounds like sh*t stirring, more of a comment with elements of an uncomfortable truth in it I would say.

To say it has existed since the reformation isn't a fair reflection of Scottish history IMO. I don't deny that the Irish immigrants were treated despicably, and that is an episode that we need to address.

I don't think the eMail is in the same class. These are global jokes and are not evidence of a Scottish undercurrent of bigotry. I ask the question - would there be the same reaction to an Irish comedian such as Dara O'Briain making this joke?

The joke is pertinent wherever it is told, and as far as I can see isn't aimed at how people worship, but at hypocrisy and cover ups. Nobody saw the likes of IM Jolly as an attack on Protestants.

It's such a petty thing to get upset about, and hardly wins sympathy from people who want a fair world. From my point of view, if this is an example of oppression of a minority, then there are worse things happening to people in 2010.

PeeJay
29-11-2010, 03:27 PM
I see Sweden and finlands schools are closed and transport system in chaos, despite them being used to heavy snowfall. It's just a myth that we're any worse than most other countries in this respect IMO

Think it depends on when the snow comes. Here in Germany we are well prepared for snow, but if it snows heavily in the morning or evening rush hour Germany too will grind to a halt - you can't clear autobahns full of snow if they're full of traffic!

We had terrible problems last year here in Berlin, when there is too much snow the grit eventually will run out ...

Golden Bear
29-11-2010, 03:32 PM
Ain't it amazing the variety of posts that can crop up within a thread entitled "Snow"!

:greengrin

Phil D. Rolls
29-11-2010, 03:39 PM
Ain't it amazing the variety of posts that can crop up within a thread entitled "Snow"!

:greengrin

It's remarkable how people can exploit a hum drum event to suit their own agenda.

Can I just ask - what affect will this cold snap have on the nation's parrots? I've heard that pet shops have ensured a reliable supply of budgie seed. :dunno:

CropleyWasGod
29-11-2010, 03:42 PM
It's remarkable how people can exploit a hum drum event to suit their own agenda.

Can I just ask - what affect will this cold snap have on the nation's parrots? I've heard that pet shops have ensured a reliable supply of budgie seed. :dunno:

Not for this thread. Try tweeting it.

Phil D. Rolls
29-11-2010, 03:44 PM
Not for this thread. Try tweeting it.

That would be a trill!

I just hope the parrots don't miss out, as budgies are in the majority.

CropleyWasGod
29-11-2010, 03:45 PM
That would be a trill!

I just hope the parrots don't miss out, as budgies are in the majority.

Natural selection, mate. It'll be a polygon.

Danderhall Hibs
29-11-2010, 03:48 PM
Not for this thread. Try tweeting it.

Sorry I missed that - can you repeat it for me?

CropleyWasGod
29-11-2010, 03:50 PM
Sorry I missed that - can you repeat it for me?

He's deid.

Phil D. Rolls
29-11-2010, 04:09 PM
He's deid.

He's only dozed off due to this cold snap

CropleyWasGod
29-11-2010, 04:11 PM
He's only dozed off due to this cold snap

lol.

This'll test your memory, and your age. All of these parrot gags make me sick, sick, sick up to 'ere.

marinello59
29-11-2010, 04:17 PM
lol.

This'll test your memory, and your age. All of these parrot gags make me sick, sick, sick up to 'ere.

Is that you Freddy? :greengrin

Golden Bear
29-11-2010, 04:17 PM
lol.

This'll test your memory, and your age. All of these parrot gags make me sick, sick, sick up to 'ere.

Freddie "parrot Face" Davies.

And the boy was a great snooker player in his other life.

:wink:

CropleyWasGod
29-11-2010, 04:21 PM
Freddie "parrot Face" Davies.

And the boy was a great snooker player in his other life.

:wink:

:greengrin

Only on Hibs.net. In the same thread, global warming, Freddie Davies, Python and anti-Catholic conspiracies. (cue FR linking the last two...... Not the comfy chair).

Golden Bear
29-11-2010, 04:24 PM
It's also rumoured that a Catholic who works for the SFA has been giving the boot for passing the e mail on.

That shows how ridiculous the whole episode is.

Phil D. Rolls
29-11-2010, 04:27 PM
:greengrin

Only on Hibs.net. In the same thread, global warming, Freddie Davies, Python and anti-Catholic conspiracies. (cue FR linking the last two...... Not the comfy chair).

I really wasn't expecting that.


It's also rumoured that a Catholic who works for the SFA has been giving the boot for passing the e mail on.

That shows how ridiculous the whole episode is.

You couldn't make some of this up.

marinello59
29-11-2010, 04:33 PM
You couldn't make some of this up.

Of course you can, this is hibs.net. I heard the original source of the email was the Pope himself.:agree:

CropleyWasGod
29-11-2010, 04:35 PM
Of course you can, this is hibs.net. I heard the original source of the email was the Pope himself.:agree:

You're going to the big fire...:tsk tsk:

lapsedhibee
29-11-2010, 04:46 PM
Freddie "parrot Face" Davies.

And the boy was a great snooker player in his other life.

:wink:

Indeed he was - but no greater than his brother, the penalty king.

Phil D. Rolls
29-11-2010, 04:49 PM
So, this snow, anybody starved to death yet? Beeb news had a woman almost killed by an avalanche in Rothbury. As if those people haven't suffered enough. :bitchy:

marinello59
29-11-2010, 04:55 PM
So, this snow, anybody starved to death yet? Beeb news had a woman almost killed by an avalanche in Rothbury. As if those people haven't suffered enough. :bitchy:

I am running low on milk and bread. Unlike my elderly neighbour who hasn't even bothered taking her milk off the doorstep for the past three months. I can't stand laziness. :bitchy:

Golden Bear
29-11-2010, 05:03 PM
Indeed he was - but no greater than his brother, the penalty king.

Aye Joe was a star.

He formed a great double act with Eric Stevenson. I'm not sure who Eric was related to though.

Anyone?!

seanraff07
29-11-2010, 05:31 PM
Took me and my Dad 20 mins just to get the car out of the drive this morning.:bitchy:

hibsbollah
29-11-2010, 05:40 PM
Took me and my Dad 20 mins just to get the car out of the drive this morning.:bitchy:

For future reference, you'll find the handbrake's just behind the gearstick:agree:

Sylar
29-11-2010, 06:25 PM
So, this snow, anybody starved to death yet? Beeb news had a woman almost killed by an avalanche in Rothbury. As if those people haven't suffered enough. :bitchy:

Just nipped out to our local corner store to get some butter - their shelves were nearly bare already, with utterly no bread, milk, tins or meats. Thankfully I managed to get out a couple of days ago for fresh milk, bread and teabags - if nothing else, toast and tea will be in abundance :greengrin

CropleyWasGod
29-11-2010, 06:27 PM
Aye Joe was a star.

He formed a great double act with Eric Stevenson. I'm not sure who Eric was related to though.

Anyone?!

He must've been related to someone.

His Ma, no? :confused:

da-robster
29-11-2010, 06:37 PM
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/britain-trapped-under-two-feet-of-global-warming-bull****-201011253286/

Twa Cairpets
29-11-2010, 06:41 PM
That would be a trill!

I just hope the parrots don't miss out, as budgies are in the majority.

Is he running a dictatorship now? Is his wife still hoying grapefruit at his heid?

Dirkster23
29-11-2010, 07:01 PM
I am running low on milk and bread. Unlike my elderly neighbour who hasn't even bothered taking her milk off the doorstep for the past three months. I can't stand laziness. :bitchy:

:tee hee:

lyonhibs
29-11-2010, 07:33 PM
1st flakes yet to even fall down here - some of the "Southern softie" stereotypes being played up to are great in the office.

"God. it was FREEEEEEZING this morning - I was even cold in my car"

"I walked into work - 40 minutes - and was fine"

"Oh, well, you know it's just cold for late November"

:confused:

Sir David Gray
29-11-2010, 08:07 PM
1st flakes yet to even fall down here - some of the "Southern softie" stereotypes being played up to are great in the office.

"God. it was FREEEEEEZING this morning - I was even cold in my car"

"I walked into work - 40 minutes - and was fine"

"Oh, well, you know it's just cold for late November"

:confused:

You're welcome to some of ours. :grr:

I used to love the snow but it's really had a huge impact on my daily life over the past two winters and everyone on our street has just spent about eight hours solid today clearing our road, only for another few inches to fall earlier this evening, just after they had finished their digging for the day.

There's currently about five feet heaped up on the pavements and gardens.

Pete
29-11-2010, 08:44 PM
Has anyone ever actually tried tying a tennis racket to each foot to walk on the snow?

This used to happen in the Beano in the mid-eighties quite a lot but it doesn't necessarily mean that the principle isn't sound.

Twiglet
29-11-2010, 08:49 PM
Has anyone ever actually tried tying a tennis racket to each foot to walk on the snow?

This used to happen in the Beano in the mid-eighties quite a lot but it doesn't necessarily mean that the principle isn't sound.

No, but I was wondering the very same thing yesterday. Want to see someone try it before I try it.

marinello59
29-11-2010, 09:16 PM
Has anyone ever actually tried tying a tennis racket to each foot to walk on the snow?

This used to happen in the Beano in the mid-eighties quite a lot but it doesn't necessarily mean that the principle isn't sound.

I have two swingball bats in the back garden I could try it with. Presently they are buried under two foot of snow. I'll dig them out tomorrow and let you know how I get on.
Knocking policemans helmets off with stones, sticks,bow and arrows etc used to be popular with Oor Willie in the 50s, 60s and early 70s. Has anybody tried it recently?

GhostofBolivar
29-11-2010, 10:12 PM
I just wish the global warming that they all keep talking about would hurry up and reach our shores...:rolleyes:

Thing about global warming is that it's slowing the gulfstream. Since Edinburgh lies at a more northerly latitude than Moscow and Toronto, this will mean that - in the short term -we experience the sort of weather more in line with other countries in similar geographical locations.

seanraff07
29-11-2010, 10:49 PM
For future reference, you'll find the handbrake's just behind the gearstick:agree:

It wasn't the wheels spinning it was the fact that there was 2/3ft of snow infront of the car!

HUTCHYHIBBY
29-11-2010, 11:15 PM
Of course you can, this is hibs.net. I heard the original source of the email was the Pope himself.:agree:

The Pope uses Original Source? Surely soap on a rope would be more apt!

HibbyScott
30-11-2010, 12:01 AM
Got our first few flakes in Cranfield today, hardly even 1mm of snow here though (still had to drive a southern softy to Tesco tonight though because "you're scottish, you know how to drive in snow properly" :greengrin) Forecast for a decent dump of it overnight tonight though

Judas Iscariot
30-11-2010, 06:52 AM
Has anyone ever actually tried tying a tennis racket to each foot to walk on the snow?

This used to happen in the Beano in the mid-eighties quite a lot but it doesn't necessarily mean that the principle isn't sound.

:top marks

HibbyScott
30-11-2010, 12:24 PM
Got our first few flakes in Cranfield today, hardly even 1mm of snow here though (still had to drive a southern softy to Tesco tonight though because "you're scottish, you know how to drive in snow properly" :greengrin) Forecast for a decent dump of it overnight tonight though

For "decent dump" read half an inch :grr: Still enough to excite the students from somewhat warmer climates to wake me up with shouting, screaming and flash photography at 3:30am though :grr:

Don-hibee
30-11-2010, 04:03 PM
When at the Sick Kids with Son this morning I overheard a group of Nurses and Support Staff saying what a great night they had last night as they all stayed at the hospital used scrubs for PJs and were able to get up and attend the kids without worrying how to get into work. :thumbsup:

GlesgaeHibby
30-11-2010, 04:04 PM
Got our first few flakes in Cranfield today, hardly even 1mm of snow here though (still had to drive a southern softy to Tesco tonight though because "you're scottish, you know how to drive in snow properly" :greengrin) Forecast for a decent dump of it overnight tonight though

Just make sure you get to the toilet for your dump if it's due overnight, and not in the bed!

Can't believe you are wishing for snow! It's a bloody nightmare. Made my life a living misery for the past couple of days.

Had to dig a bloody juggernaut out at work today.

Mixu62
30-11-2010, 06:00 PM
god it's hot and humid in Auckland just now.....oh sorry, maybe not the time eh?:devil:

HibbyScott
01-12-2010, 05:54 PM
Just make sure you get to the toilet for your dump if it's due overnight, and not in the bed!

Can't believe you are wishing for snow! It's a bloody nightmare. Made my life a living misery for the past couple of days.

Had to dig a bloody juggernaut out at work today.

Enough for a decent snowball fight would do me quite nicely. Not enough that it becomes a pain in the @rse though (like the apparent 18" or so in my back garden at home) Digging out a Juggernaught can't have been much fun though I'd imagine

NYHibby
03-12-2010, 11:31 AM
Does anyone know if the trains between Stirling and Edinburgh will be running this weekend?

HibeeEmma
03-12-2010, 11:49 AM
Does anyone know if the trains between Stirling and Edinburgh will be running this weekend?

They are cancelled at the moment but may be back on tomorrow or later this evening

Jones28
03-12-2010, 06:35 PM
What i love about it is when i go on facebook and see my mates (mainly girls i might add) with ridiculous staus updates along the lines 'OMG can't believe the snow', 'Where did this come from' etc etc

I would like to point out to these people and others that this is Scotland, given our geographical location and the climate we have it is quite likely that we will get snow in the winter, we might also get some ice, wind and rain as well. It happens, deal with it.

Its the only time girls get excited by 4 inches...:greengrin