Get rid of the lot of them...

[Greenblood70]

Sick to death of watching this pish week in week out.

Players are a total disgrace.

[Captain Trips]

Rebuilding was to start in July and the January before that and the summer before that, I hope some sort of long term plans are in place, firstly allowing 3 or 4 players to sign for a season is a nonsense, you sign players if you think good enough for some commitment, players getting to use us as a window to move. Selling players who score all our goals also will help nothing. Been having these discussions about rebuilding for 3-4 yrs, if things are not in order soon you really have to look above the manager level to see why we are in this position almost every season.

CC has some amount of work to do IMO.

[Dinkydoo]

Players I think that are good enough to get a starting place out of todays squad:

Riordan
Wotherspoon
Bamba (been absolutely rank today but he casn play much better)
Miller (has got class but being surrounded by ***** can't be easy for him)
Hanlon


That is all.

I had the option to go to the game today with a mate (he offered to drive :greengrin) but I wasn't confident that the early rise would be worth it - I Knew I was Right :wink:

Any others shouldn't even be considered for the first team unless absolutely neccessary - Nish being excluded as we don't exactly have a lot of attacking options at the moment.

[matty_f]

Calderwood will have hopefully seen the reason why a good few of this team haven't been near a starting eleven for so long. Not a plier at the club that I'd be saddened to see leave.

[Dinkydoo]

Calderwood will have hopefully seen the reason why a good few of this team haven't been near a starting eleven for so long. Not a plier at the club that I'd be saddened to see leave.

Unfortunately, I agree and I haven't felt that way for a long, long time about Hibs.

[churchie16]

Players I think that are good enough to get a starting place out of todays squad:

Miller (has got class but being surrounded by ***** can't be easy for him)


LOL hes gash why do hibs fan rate him so much honest ?

[matty_f]

Plier was meant to be player...

[Wotherspiniesta]

Riordan, Wotherspoon, Galbraith, Hanlon ( as a centre back) and Zemmama.

Get shot of the rest.

[MSK]

Plier was meant to be player...:greengrin

[Dunbar Hibee]

Its about time that we get players who actually want to play for the shirt. Wage thieves.

[Greenblood70]

Todays performance seems to be the last straw for a lot of people judging by the comments. The players at the club just now do not give a flying ****, they're gash just totally *****.

I'm dreading the derby I won't lie. We cant defend balls in to the box and the worry is Kyle will have a field day.

[ionahibby]

I think we can safely say the players are the problem! makes me think was yogi really at fault :confused:

[TheEastTerrace]

Plier was meant to be player...

You're right about something though... they're all a bunch of tools:greengrin

[BEEJ]

I think Calderwood will feel badly let down by whoever advised him to keep Hoggy at RB and leave Hart on the bench.

That will be one obvious change for next week.

[stubru59]

Seriously, who out of that lot would you keep? Major surgery required, and in the meantime, we've got to hope some of them can raise their game.

[forzahibees]

having thought long and hard about hibs plight and having watched them for a number of years , IMO i think that there isnt a lack of effort by most of the players but rather they just dont have the ability to perform at the level of the spl , if these same players have now seen of 4 different managers(all of which have a cross section of man managerial styles) and none of them could get them to perform then maybe we just have to put our hands up and say our players arent good enough and ask why are they at the club in the first place??

lets be honest if somebody comes to any one of us and says come and sign for hibs
and we will pay you £££££ each week , how many of us would turn round and say
"thanks for the offer but i really dont think iam good enough!!!"
so we must look deeper than the players....

maybe we invest to something similar in the continent where the manager identifies the postion(s) that need strenghened and we have a specialist or proven
group of people who goes and find that person(s) and brings then to the club
this seems to work very well in the continent , this would also stop the "jobs for the boys" when each manager brings in the players that he may have had joy with in the past ??

now back to watching spurs everton

[calumb]

Seriously, who out of that lot would you keep? Major surgery required, and in the meantime, we've got to hope some of them can raise their game.

It was probably a good result from our point of view, if that lot had upped there game a little and sneaked a draw or a win Calderwood might have been left thinking things were not too bad and that he could work with the players, now he must know that most of them are rank and he has to ship the majority of them

[RoslinInstHibby]

Yep, 4 centre halfs in the defense...i expect that to be changed for next week

also, stevenson, rankin & mcbride in midfield. Decent in terms of effort but no goal threat, i think 2 of them will be dropped for next week

Tbh there aint many of the 16 i would keep.....tough times ahead.

[Crab apple]

I think Calderwood will feel badly let down by whoever advised him to keep Hoggy at RB and leave Hart on the bench.

That will be one obvious change for next week.

:agree: Agree 100% BEEJ. Four centre halfs in our defence against players with pace - McGuire and Alouko was a disaster waiting to happen.

[DH1875]

I think Calderwood will feel badly let down by whoever advised him to keep Hoggy at RB and leave Hart on the bench.

That will be one obvious change for next week.

He's the manager though so could have changed it at any time. Sure Hogg was poor but what about Bamba? He was utter p**h and that donkey beside him wasn't much better.

[calumb]

He's the manager though so could have changed it at any time. Sure Hogg was poor but what about Bamba? He was utter p**h and that donkey beside him wasn't much better.

also our other centre half in the defense, Hanlon, looked a lot better going forward than he did defending

[BEEJ]

He's the manager though so could have changed it at any time. Sure Hogg was poor but what about Bamba? He was utter p**h and that donkey beside him wasn't much better.
It sounded from the commentary like McGhee had spotted our weakness on the right and was concentrating their attacks down their left hand side.

Ripped apart again and again down that side. Hoggy is not a RB - I hope that lesson has now been finally learned.

[BEEJ]

if these same players have now seen of 4 different managers(all of which have a cross section of man managerial styles) and none of them could get them to perform then maybe we just have to put our hands up and say our players arent good enough and ask why are they at the club in the first place??
But they haven't. :confused:

In the last six or seven years we've been turning over a new first team squad in less than two seasons.

[CapitalHibs]

Could we do worse by putting this team out to start next week....?:dunno:
(recall Byrne, Booth and Moyes)

Brown

Hart
Stevens
Hanlon
Grounds

De Graaf
Wotherspoon
Murray
Riordan

Byrne
Nish

[Alfred E Newman]

Earlier in the season I was slated for commenting on one of these pointless "tomorrows team" threads for saying that it didn`t matter how many times you shuffled the players in the squad you still come up with the same garbage. That is never more obvious than now.

[CapitalHibs]

Earlier in the season I was slated for commenting on one of these pointless "tomorrows team" threads for saying that it didn`t matter how many times you shuffled the players in the squad you still come up with the same garbage. That is never more obvious than now.

Are you suggesting we just mail in the three points?:confused:

[forzahibees]

But they haven't. :confused:

In the last six or seven years we've been turning over a new first team squad in less than two seasons.

i agree but there were a good few today that have played under 2 or 3 different managers without ever playing with any consistancy hence i asked the question were they ever good enough in the first place?, but have been given contracts
by previous managers so until they drop of the wage bill will continue to be there.

again my point being raised is that the manager shouldnt sign players for this very point as another manager comes in then brings in 4/5 of "his" players and so on and so forth, if we have a a number of expeiranced scouts that go and find the players
that the manager identifies then all his time can be used on the training ground

[Alfred E Newman]

Are you suggesting we just mail in the three points?:confused:

Obviously not but there is no getting away from the fact that the squad as it stands is not good enough and never will be.

[down the slope]

Could we do worse by putting this team out to start next week....?:dunno:
(recall Byrne, Booth and Moyes)

Brown

Hart
Stevens
Hanlon
Grounds

De Graaf
Wotherspoon
Murray
Riordan

Byrne
Nish

I forgot about Stevens, how must he think when he has a look what's playing for us ?, he must get a chance soon, give youth a chance.

[CapitalHibs]

Obviously not but there is no getting away from the fact that the squad as it stands is not good enough and never will be.

Unfortunately.... yes...

But CC can only piss with c**k he's got.

[ScottB]

I'd rather see us blood some hungry young players than persist with these lazy, do nothing wasters.

And if Bamba so clearly doesn't want to be here, perhaps a spell on his arse or with the youths will refocus his mind. Just cause he's sometimes good doesn't give him some sort of shield for when he is as hopeless as today.

[Bishop Hibee]

Earlier in the season I was slated for commenting on one of these pointless "tomorrows team" threads for saying that it didn`t matter how many times you shuffled the players in the squad you still come up with the same garbage. That is never more obvious than now.

Sorry, I don't fully agree with this. Brown has proven he's the best of our 3 goalies and we only found that out by accident as Stack got injured.

Hogg is never a right back and we would have been more solid with Hart there. Hogg and Bamba are our best CH pairing as we don't have a left back so Hanlon has to play there. Callum Booth should have been getting a run at left back from the first friendly in Holland.

In midfield we need width which we don't have cover for and up front we have no cover for Nish or Riordan. We looked far better with Riordan on.

You can certainly shuffle our central midfielders and still come up with garbage though.

[Golden Bear]

I think Calderwood will feel badly let down by whoever advised him to keep Hoggy at RB and leave Hart on the bench.

That will be one obvious change for next week.

:agree:

Especially when he would have playing against his old club.

As we've found out in the past ,ex players tend to excel when playing against their old teammates!

[ScottB]

:agree:

Especially when he would have playing against his old club.

As we've found out in the past ,ex players tend to excel when playing against their old teammates!

Players also supposedly do well in their first games under a new manager... :rolleyes:

[SurferRosa]

I think we can safely say the players are the problem! makes me think was yogi really at fault :confused:
This is Yogis team. The players that were there,he obviously thought were good enough....the players he brought in, he obviously thought were good enough. Clearly none of that is the case, with the exception of half a dozen of them. It`s Yogis squad, so yes, clearly he is at fault...

[PapillonVert]

Plier was meant to be player...

You were probably thinking of a mixture between "player" and "trier", Matty. :greengrin

Both types in embarrassingly short supply down ER these days.

[matty_f]

You were probably thinking of a mixture between "player" and "trier", Matty. :greengrin

Both types in embarrassingly short supply down ER these days.

:greengrin

[NAE NOOKIE]

I would keep Bamba, Wotherspoon and Riordan. There are perhaps two others who are capable of improvement with different players around them ................ But thats it.

What an awful and inept performance from back through midfield to the front. Bloody clueless and a total lack of energy and dynamic play.

I feel sorry for Calderwood already, how on earth can he turn that lot into a team.

For instance its time to face up to the fact that there are reasons why Liam Millers career has gone backwards since he left celtic and he has shown all of them since this season started.

Good luck CC you are going to need it.

:bitchy:

[Riordans Boots]

Sick to death of watching this pish week in week out.

Players are a total disgrace.


Its about time that we get players who actually want to play for the shirt. Wage thieves.


Todays performance seems to be the last straw for a lot of people judging by the comments. The players at the club just now do not give a flying ****, they're gash just totally *****.

I'm dreading the derby I won't lie. We cant defend balls in to the box and the worry is Kyle will have a field day.


These quotes have just been read out on BBC Sportsound :agree:

Just goes to show who looks in here :grr:

[snooky]

You're right about something though... they're all a bunch of tools:greengrin

Aye, especially in the box.

[Albion Hibs]

Players I think that are good enough to get a starting place out of todays squad:

Riordan - Agree
Wotherspoon - Squad player
Bamba (been absolutely rank today but he casn play much better) - Not Himself
Miller (has got class but being surrounded by ***** can't be easy for him) - No One is every available for a pass, and he always seems to take the boo
Hanlon - Agree


That is all.

I had the option to go to the game today with a mate (he offered to drive :greengrin) but I wasn't confident that the early rise would be worth it - I Knew I was Right :wink:

Any others shouldn't even be considered for the first team unless absolutely neccessary - Nish being excluded as we don't exactly have a lot of attacking options at the moment.


Would agree with most of that. Having just arrived home after what can only be described as a waste of time..in the cold, the team was all wrong for me today. Murray should defiantly have played if he has trained enough, he is one that I want to keep at the club. Hanlon was felt up all day, I think he is a good player, but never a left back, he should be playing at CH, along with either Hogg or Bamba, the later is miles of the boil, perhaps his head is looking to his next club already. If we were to experiment there, I may be tempted to go with Grounds and Hanlon, with Murray and Hart either side.

For me we are soft as, we never press, we never stick in a challenge, and we take 10 mins to get the ball from defence up front, unless of course it is the panic back pass to the keeper then the hoff up the pitch.

CC has not had the benefit of time to get to know the team, but today will have given him an indication, Dickho was terrible and I dont think it is any coincidence that we leaked goals for fun today.

Wotherspoon was never in the game, neither Galbraith really. I appreciate that away to Aberdeen is not going to be ideal of them, and both were handled out of the game pretty easily. We need more from these guys if they are going to be are so called creative players.

All in all pretty raging.

[Sunny1875]

Plier was meant to be player...

Well Matty looks like you hit the nail on the head Hibs currently don't have the tools in the box :greengrin

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Could we do worse by putting this team out to start next week....?:dunno:
(recall Byrne, Booth and Moyes)

Brown

Hart
Stevens
Hanlon
Grounds

De Graaf
Wotherspoon
Murray
Riordan

Byrne
Nish


Nish? :bitchy: gies a brek!

[ScottB]

Nish? :bitchy: gies a brek!

Not to start a debate of pros and cons for Nish, but we only have 2 fit strikers on the books, so until such times as that situation changes, folk giving Nish pelters all day long isn't going to help our situation.

[Phil MaGlass]

Unfortunately.... yes...

But CC can only piss with c**k he's got.

All the co--s are on the pitch, Miller has to go,hes been a non trying passenger for too long now.

[Albion Hibs]

All the co--s are on the pitch, Miller has to go,hes been a non trying passenger for too long now.

I would happily see Wotherspoon, Galbraith and McBride go before Miller left the building.

[ronaldo7]

Our team lack passion, and a willingness to go into the tackle for each other imo. I thought I'd seen some of the spirit against Rankgers but it's fizzled out.
We don't have any players who go beyond the ball and make runs into the oppositions back line.

Our guys pass backwards/sidewards, as it's easier to find a man. Their are NO RUNNERS in our team.

We need to get our players back into their CORRECT positions and we can't have a midfield of McBride, Miller, Rankin, and Stevenson. We need a bit of dig in there.

We were soft today and never stood up to the task.

Pay your wages back to the club guys, you don't deserve them this week. It's the Hibs you play for. Please remember that.

Come on CC, get into them tomorrow.

[new malkyhib]

Would agree with most of that. Having just arrived home after what can only be described as a waste of time..in the cold, the team was all wrong for me today. Murray should defiantly have played if he has trained enough, he is one that I want to keep at the club. Hanlon was felt up all day, I think he is a good player, but never a left back, he should be playing at CH, along with either Hogg or Bamba, the later is miles of the boil, perhaps his head is looking to his next club already. If we were to experiment there, I may be tempted to go with Grounds and Hanlon, with Murray and Hart either side.

For me we are soft as, we never press, we never stick in a challenge, and we take 10 mins to get the ball from defence up front, unless of course it is the panic back pass to the keeper then the hoff up the pitch.

CC has not had the benefit of time to get to know the team, but today will have given him an indication, Dickho was terrible and I dont think it is any coincidence that we leaked goals for fun today.

Wotherspoon was never in the game, neither Galbraith really. I appreciate that away to Aberdeen is not going to be ideal of them, and both were handled out of the game pretty easily. We need more from these guys if they are going to be are so called creative players.

All in all pretty raging.

I commend you for going up there pal - i don't want to pick on one guy, but he's the kind of player that Hibs sign these days - never heard of him, plucked from nowhere, a panic buy shirt-filller, because we have a board of Directors who simply will not budge from the "grand plan" of selling our best players and replacing them with journeymen.

I wonder how Petrie and Co will justify their existence if we do get relegated - maybe they should be asked that at the shareholders' meeting?

[Albion Hibs]

I commend you for going up there pal - i don't want to pick on one guy, but he's the kind of player that Hibs sign these days - never heard of him, plucked from nowhere, a panic buy shirt-filller, because we have a board of Directors who simply will not budge from the "grand plan" of selling our best players and replacing them with journeymen.

I wonder how Petrie and Co will justify their existence if we do get relegated - maybe they should be asked that at the shareholders' meeting?

The fact we seem to have a team of CH's (most of todays one struggle to defend) reeks of the fact the board probably thought bamba was away, got in a replacement then realised, no one was willing to pay / wanted him. We then end up with another player on the wage bill which means that one the on the target list cant be brought in - exactly the same as the keeper situation. The board have to take the blame for the above poor operation in the target market.

They also have to take the blame for being bullied into selling our best striker as and when celtic wanted to buy him - RP and others on the board, get the selling done at the start of the window / before hand so we know what we can do in terms of bring players in - enough of this panic signing pash, we have to be better than that.

Whilst I dont want shot of the board I think they need to look at how the do business, whilst RP is very good at looking after the books, he probably needs someone on the negotiation front.

All very, very frustrating.

However, in turn Hibs fashion I will have forgotton about it by Tuesday and by 2:45pm on Saturday I will have convinced myself that we are going to hammer utd!

[Phil MaGlass]

I would happily see Wotherspoon, Galbraith and McBride go before Miller left the building.

I might disagree with you a bit there,Wotherspoon and galbraith are still young lads and have been playing in a team of non performers for almost a year,
that must wear you down when you are trying hard and being played out of position so often or in Galbraiths defence not getting enough game time. Young lads need confidence and for me the team is not supplying it or encouraging them. We need a large scale clearout and after todays game and a couple more CC will know what he has to do and dump to get the best out of these boys.
We need to give our young players a good working atmosphere and time to breath and grow, at Hibs thats just not happened for them, otherspoon has had the games but not the support same as Nish.

[Albion Hibs]

I might disagree with you a bit there,Wotherspoon and galbraith are still young lads and have been playing in a team of non performers for almost a year,
that must wear you down when you are trying hard and being played out of position so often or in Galbraiths defence not getting enough game time. Young lads need confidence and for me the team is not supplying it or encouraging them. We need a large scale clearout and after todays game and a couple more CC will know what he has to do and dump to get the best out of these boys.
We need to give our young players a good working atmosphere and time to breath and grow, at Hibs thats just not happened for them, otherspoon has had the games but not the support same as Nish.

Half agree with Galbraith shout, perhaps I was a bit hasty, but I think wotherspoon is one for the non performers for almost a year. Dont know if it is confidence or what, but he does not really offer a lot. Killie was the first game in a long time he has shown anything, really a big few months for him IMO.

[ScottB]

The fact we seem to have a team of CH's (most of todays one struggle to defend) reeks of the fact the board probably thought bamba was away, got in a replacement then realised, no one was willing to pay / wanted him. We then end up with another player on the wage bill which means that one the on the target list cant be brought in - exactly the same as the keeper situation. The board have to take the blame for the above poor operation in the target market.

They also have to take the blame for being bullied into selling our best striker as and when celtic wanted to buy him - RP and others on the board, get the selling done at the start of the window / before hand so we know what we can do in terms of bring players in - enough of this panic signing pash, we have to be better than that.

Whilst I dont want shot of the board I think they need to look at how the do business, whilst RP is very good at looking after the books, he probably needs someone on the negotiation front.

All very, very frustrating.

However, in turn Hibs fashion I will have forgotton about it by Tuesday and by 2:45pm on Saturday I will have convinced myself that we are going to hammer utd!

I thought we decided to sell Stokes because of his off field problems, not because Celtic wanted him?

[matty_f]

I thought we decided to sell Stokes because of his off field problems, not because Celtic wanted him?

It was both, IIRC.

The thing that folk are missing when they moan about the lack of investment is that Hibs invested as much as they could afford last year. If we didn't have player sales we'd have hit a loss.

How much of a loss are folk wanting us to make before they'll accept we've invested?

[ScottB]

It was both, IIRC.

The thing that folk are missing when they moan about the lack of investment is that Hibs invested as much as they could afford last year. If we didn't have player sales we'd have hit a loss.

How much of a loss are folk wanting us to make before they'll accept we've invested?

Exactly, indeed this year will probably show the actual reality of our finances since we have nobody else to sell to make up the shortfall.

The solution? We accept that we have to sell a player each season, or, we start turning up in bigger numbers. Simple.

[matty_f]

Exactly, indeed this year will probably show the actual reality of our finances since we have nobody else to sell to make up the shortfall.

The solution? We accept that we have to sell a player each season, or, we start turning up in bigger numbers. Simple.

That's it:agree:. I've no time for folk who don't go to the games moaning about what we don't spend.

If we got closer to filling the ground every other Saturday we'd have a fair bit more to spend.

[proud_and_green]

It was probably a good result from our point of view, if that lot had upped there game a little and sneaked a draw or a win Calderwood might have been left thinking things were not too bad and that he could work with the players, now he must know that most of them are rank and he has to ship the majority of them

I agree entirely and have said so on another thread, a decent result - resulting from the new manager syndrome - would have potentially pulled the wool over Colin's eyes and would have been a worse result than the loss of three points in the long term.

He now knows exactly what he has and where the weaknesses are.

As far as players to keep, not a single one of them. I would like to see a few big examples made of 'big' players. Make them understand what its like to be like the rest of us and have to work for their pay!!!!

[The Harp Awakes]

]I think Calderwood will feel badly let down by whoever advised him to keep Hoggy at RB and leave Hart on the bench.[/B]That will be one obvious change for next week.

Have to say that I cannot believe Hogg started at right back today instead of Hart. Hogg got ripped up for @rsepaper repeatedly last week against a very ordinary Killie team before Hart came on for him in the 2nd half and steadied the ship. And why Stevenson again in the starting 11? He's been parachuted into the team unfit and as lightweight as ever.

Were Gareth Evans and Alistair Stevenson watching last weeks game and did they advise CC on the team selection today? If so, they both need their heads examined.

[Albion Hibs]

I thought we decided to sell Stokes because of his off field problems, not because Celtic wanted him?

True but none the less my point is that celtic were always in for him, it had been on since before the summer, why do our board not stand up and say actually no, not on the last day, not on your terms, if that is how you are going to be then come back in jan and we will think about it - perhaps a lesson for the old firm teams - if we are going to be a selling club, we may as well sell on our terms.

How much money would be have lost in the sale - rumoured circa 1m - do you think we would have lost half? Do you think our end of league postition and gate reciepts will equally that in terms of revenue?

[Beefster]

The lot of them can go as far as I'm concerned, including Bamba, Riordan and Miller.

There are a lot more humiliations coming before Calderwood can sort it.

[calumb]

One encouraging thing i thought that happened yesterday was that when Nish was going off injured and Calderwood was having to re-organise the team Riordan, rankin and Hogg were all over with him listening to what was to be done. Hughes would have been bawling from the touchline and everybody would have had there backs turned. so maybe some of them do realize the seriousness of the situation and want to help sort it out or am i clutching at straws?

[cad]

The lot of them can go as far as I'm concerned, including Bamba, Riordan and Miller.

There are a lot more humiliations coming before Calderwood can sort it.


Sure is and these boards are going to get more and more depressing .
After watching yesterdays performance I feel sorry for the guy and the supporters that went up there where the hell do you start hes got nothing and I mean nothing to work with.
If you look back 18 months and you look at a Hibs bench there's nothing there that will change a game , maybe Danny on a good day , had a chance yesterday wasn't up to much ,if we ditch 10-15 players who are we going to bring in the same calibre , or are we going to up the anti in the wages and quality of player we can bring in ,I don't think so 68% I think was mentioned V wages etc so its same standard different faces or at worst he keeps some and make do there's nothing coming through or they would be playing ,which I do find funny considering all the contracts we handed out to our successful under 19 side ,then the other hand is it the right time to build the new stand ,training centre tiptop,looks like its working a dream with what we are watching just now ,there's something wrong at Hibs not just on the pitch IMO behind the scenes and it only manifests itself when they come onto the pitch ,these players surly aren't that bad if they were why would we sign them whats changed whats the story so many not doing it at the same time ,what team has 4 or 5 players playing out of position and 4 or 5 transfer windows go by and we use other players in other position to double up and cover in an alien position rather than buy a centre half or buy a left midfielder or buy another right back seems crazy to me ,how does that happen ,why is it allowed to happen .
If Stokes was such a bad boy and the writing was on the wall why was Byrne farmed out and Benji let go ,talk about shooting yourself in the foot .
105 guys went for this job and what a job Colin's got , I bet after listening to his background staff and watching what happened in front of him yesterday why he listened to them ,oh the 3 points we sneaked against Killie must have made him think they new what they were doing TBH the first 20 Min's against Killie was scary how we managed the 3 pts was more to luck than they're organisational skills and the team they put out ,but everyone needs a bit of luck now and again I think
Colin Calderwoods going to need all the luck in the world starting today if hes got them in if not for the whole time hes in the Easter Road hot seat

[blackpoolhibs]

True but none the less my point is that celtic were always in for him, it had been on since before the summer, why do our board not stand up and say actually no, not on the last day, not on your terms, if that is how you are going to be then come back in jan and we will think about it - perhaps a lesson for the old firm teams - if we are going to be a selling club, we may as well sell on our terms.

How much money would be have lost in the sale - rumoured circa 1m - do you think we would have lost half? Do you think our end of league postition and gate reciepts will equally that in terms of revenue?

At the AGM it was alluded that Stokes left because of all the trouble he was creating at the club. The rumours he was always pissed, not turning up for training. Yes he was still scoring, but you have to balance up the two, and do whats best for the club. Its not always about money.

[stokesmessiah]

Does anyone know whether or not the players have been called in for training today?

If i was CC i would of had them in at 8am this morning and absolutely beasting their way through some basic defending drills.

[Albion Hibs]

At the AGM it was alluded that Stokes left because of all the trouble he was creating at the club. The rumours he was always pissed, not turning up for training. Yes he was still scoring, but you have to balance up the two, and do whats best for the club. Its not always about money.

I have heard all of the stories, more recently the ones of his final few weeks at Hibs. I totally understand the reason for selling him, you are right despite his goals the disruption and effect can be very negative, plus you have to ask yourself how much he cares for Hibs if that is how acts.

My point / key for me is why not do our business at the start of the window sell him in June, then understand what we have to play with in terms of getting other players in - i do acknowledge we would never pay for anyone! The price we sold him for was reflection enough of how much trouble he was - the timescales were a shambles, celtic were the only winners, I think that was a key thing in making this season the one it is shaping up to be.


Does anyone know whether or not the players have been called in for training today?

If i was CC i would of had them in at 8am this morning and absolutely beasting their way through some basic defending drills.

No. I would agree with not taking them in, dont think he really wants to be that guy quite yet.

I have done a fair bit of calming down since yesterday, positives - before they scored we did command and were unlucky not to score, at times we did not look too bad, the main negative was the defence and I dont think we will ever play that back four again....so perhaps that is another positive?!

Get Hart and Murray back in, Hanlon to CH with Hogg and Bamba into midfield in place of McBride. If we are really stuggling for the midfield,put grounds in at LB (he is my second choice to murray) and move murray to left mid.

[blackpoolhibs]

I have heard all of the stories, more recently the ones of his final few weeks at Hibs. I totally understand the reason for selling him, you are right despite his goals the disruption and effect can be very negative, plus you have to ask yourself how much he cares for Hibs if that is how acts.

My point / key for me is why not do our business at the start of the window sell him in June, then understand what we have to play with in terms of getting other players in .

Its only a guess, but i'd imagine the reason he was sold when he was, was because things had got a lot worse, and the club were at the end of their tether? Couple that with perhaps the bids were not there in June, i dont know?

[Wotherspiniesta]

Another week.

Same old pish.

Sounded like we defended a lot better today, but once again, we throw it away.

MAJOR overhaul needed in the summer.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Another week.

Same old pish.

Sounded like we defended a lot better today, but once again, we throw it away.

MAJOR overhaul needed in the summer.

Just have to hope we're still in the SPL by the time the clear out starts.

[Wotherspiniesta]

Just have to hope we're still in the SPL by the time the clear out starts.

Better teams have been relegated. Lack of creativity in midfield along with a seriously depleted attack, mix that with our extremely leaky defence and its a recipe for disaster.

We could have nicked the game 1-0 today, but as per usual, we concede. Why does it happen? We all knew what was going to happen after we missed that penalty and this team NEVER fails to let us down.

The players are collectively a bunch of losers.

[ionahibby]

Another week.

Same old pish.

Sounded like we defended a lot better today, but once again, we throw it away.

MAJOR overhaul needed in the summer.

If giving CC time to reshape things in summer means that we get relagated and hope that he brings us back up then i would not be too keen on that! Imho there is only one option for CC keep us in the spl or :bye:

[Andy74]

Another week.

Same old pish.

Sounded like we defended a lot better today, but once again, we throw it away.

MAJOR overhaul needed in the summer.
Wasn't the same old pish at all.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Another week.

Same old pish.

Sounded like we defended a lot better today, but once again, we throw it away.

MAJOR overhaul needed in the summer.

not same old pish at all.....much better in fact:bye:

[marinello59]

Same old pish? We were much better today, much better.

[Wotherspiniesta]

I'm not doubting the spirit of the players. I didnt make the game today, but from the radio commentary ( not great for following the game I know) they sounded a lot more up for it.

It's just same old in the way things are going at the minute. Either a complete lack of commitment ie 4-2 last week, 1-0 St Mirren, 2-0 St Johnstone, or a fully commited performance still ending in a bad result ie 2-1 Celtic and the result today. I'm glad the team were commited today, but when we missed that penalty you just knew we would get beat. So yes, that is the same old predictable pish.

[blackpoolhibs]

Another defeat, and the same old pish let us down. Complete overhaul needed. Nobody will convince me at least 6 of those that started today need replaced.

[Andy74]

Another defeat, and the same old pish let us down. Complete overhaul needed. Nobody will convince me at least 6 of those that started today need replaced.

Rankin and Stevenson were actually pretty good today. As was De Graaf. Penalty aside it was Hanlon that lost out for the goal and Riordan that went for a chip when he should have smashed it. What six you talking about?

[Albion Hibs]

I'm not doubting the spirit of the players. I didnt make the game today, but from the radio commentary ( not great for following the game I know) they sounded a lot more up for it.

It's just same old in the way things are going at the minute. Either a complete lack of commitment ie 4-2 last week, 1-0 St Mirren, 2-0 St Johnstone, or a fully commited performance still ending in a bad result ie 2-1 Celtic and the result today. I'm glad the team were commited today, but when we missed that penalty you just knew we would get beat. So yes, that is the same old predictable pish.

So if you did not see the game how do you know it was the same old pish?

We were far better this week than we have been perhaps since the opening game of the season. The only possible change would be Murray in for Rankin as I dont think Nish will be back, other than that the midfield looked as good as it has done for quite sometime.

All in all I am encouraged from today. We were unlucky not to win, penalty miss cost us for the second time this season. But if you ignore were we are in the table lossing 1 nil at utd is no disgrace. They will be there or there abouts 3rd at the end of the season, if we can get the break in front of goal and keep playing like that I would expect our league position to change dramatically.

[blackpoolhibs]

Rankin and Stevenson were actually pretty good today. As was De Graaf. Penalty aside it was Hanlon that lost out for the goal and Riordan that went for a chip when he should have smashed it. What six you talking about?

I'm not convinced by the keeper, i'd rather Stack played when fit until we get better. De Graff Stevenson Rankin Galbraith. Only 5 sorry miscounted.

[Albion Hibs]

I'm not convinced by the keeper, i'd rather Stack played when fit until we get better. De Graff Stevenson Rankin Galbraith. Only 5 sorry miscounted.

All of the above highlighted played well today I thought, why dont you think they had a good game / are not good enough?

[Andy74]

Fair enough. Though those were just about our best players today so I'll see how they go with the new guy.

De Graaf could yet still be a bit of a star in the SPL.

[blackpoolhibs]

All of the above highlighted played well today I thought, why dont you think they had a good game / are not good enough?


Fair enough. Though those were just about our best players today so I'll see how they go with the new guy.

De Graaf could yet still be a bit of a star in the SPL.

I'm stuck in London at the moment, so couldnt make todays game. I have seen enough of those players to form my opinion that they are humpty. Great news they all played better today, but we lost. That lot of players have a habit of doing so. IMHO they are not and never will be good enough for a team that want to contest for 3rd or 4th. No matter what anyone says, this is MY opinion of them.

[Albion Hibs]

I'm stuck in London at the moment, so couldnt make todays game. I have seen enough of those players to form my opinion that they are humpty. Great news they all played better today, but we lost. That lot of players have a habit of doing so. IMHO they are not and never will be good enough for a team that want to contest for 3rd or 4th. No matter what anyone says, this is MY opinion of them.


Yeah...I kind of thought you had not seen the game.

Fair enough your views are your views, but I think it is a little unfair to stick the boot in when you did not even see the game. Perhaps this is the problem with our support in general, to quick to crit rather than support, and hung up on this idea of who we should have playing for us and were we should be in the league.

For what its work all of them played well today, an whilst I to would like to see Lampard, Fabregas, Nani, Milner and co come out of the tunnel in a hibs strip it is never going to happen, even if it did, I am sure before not too long we would find something negative to say about them.

Steve Clarke interview the other day was pretty interesting in relation to how we are supporters in Scotland treat our own players. Worth a watch.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yeah...I kind of thought you had not seen the game.

Fair enough your views are your views, but I think it is a little unfair to stick the boot in when you did not even see the game. Perhaps this is the problem with our support in general, to quick to crit rather than support, and hung up on this idea of who we should have playing for us and were we should be in the league.

For what its work all of them played well today, an whilst I to would like to see Lampard, Fabregas, Nani, Milner and co come out of the tunnel in a hibs strip it is never going to happen, even if it did, I am sure before not too long we would find something negative to say about them.

Steve Clarke interview the other day was pretty interesting in relation to how we are supporters in Scotland treat our own players. Worth a watch.

I have seen enough of each and every one of these players to form my opinion on who i think are good enough, and who are not. One game wouldn't change my mind either way. So dont try and patronise me because i was not there today.

IN MY OPINION these players are the reason we are at the bottom of the table. These are the ones missing one on ones with the keeper. These are the ones missing penaltys. These are the ones who dont take their chances when the game is there for the taking. These are the players who have let us the fans down for too long. I believe major surgery is needed, half the team need to go.

[mim]

I've no idea what happened today, because I didn't see it.
I though we showed improvement last week, despite getting horsed 4-2.
Today we lost only 1 goal and that was late on. We may have won the game if Rankin had scored from the spot, so again this was probably a step in the right direction.

[Albion Hibs]

I have seen enough of each and every one of these players to form my opinion on who i think are good enough, and who are not. One game wouldn't change my mind either way. So dont try and patronise me because i was not there today.

IN MY OPINION these players are the reason we are at the bottom of the table. These are the ones missing one on ones with the keeper. These are the ones missing penaltys. These are the ones who dont take their chances when the game is there for the taking. These are the players who have let us the fans down for too long. I believe major surgery is needed, half the team need to go.

Oh touchy!

I think you will find I acknowledged that you are more than entitled to your view. But your simlistic view of manager is not winning get rid of, player did not play well get rid of, formation does not work change to this, this and this - is simply not sustainable, you would need 10 subs a game and a transfer window that lasted all year and of course a hertz style wage budget.

We are Hibs, it is simply not going to happen.

The reality is if each of the current players turned into world beaters your view would probably not change, but thats your view and your entitled to it.

For what its worth there was not one Boo at the end of the game despite loosing a goal in the final few mins, recognition from those that were there that we were unlucky and things are moving in the right direction.

[Greenblood70]

Glad to hear there were signs of improvement today although my main worry has always been our lack of mental toughness when presented with opportunities to win or get a point. We just don't seem to have it imo and won't until major surgery on the squad in January.

I'll be there out of duty rather than expectation next week and will roar them on but i fear we won't get the same levels of commitment from these players. I pray and hope they prove me wrong and if they do I'll be amongst the first on here to say well done.

**** the Hertz and GGTTH

[blackpoolhibs]

Glad to hear there were signs of improvement today although my main worry has always been our lack of mental toughness when presented with opportunities to win or get a point. We just don't seem to have it imo and won't until major surgery on the squad in January.

I'll be there out of duty rather than expectation next week and will roar them on but i fear we won't get the same levels of commitment from these players. I pray and hope they prove me wrong and if they do I'll be amongst the first on here to say well done.

**** the Hertz and GGTTH

:agree:

[Andy74]

I have seen enough of each and every one of these players to form my opinion on who i think are good enough, and who are not. One game wouldn't change my mind either way. So dont try and patronise me because i was not there today.

IN MY OPINION these players are the reason we are at the bottom of the table. These are the ones missing one on ones with the keeper. These are the ones missing penaltys. These are the ones who dont take their chances when the game is there for the taking. These are the players who have let us the fans down for too long. I believe major surgery is needed, half the team need to go.
Whilst I don't disagree too much overall I'm happy to see if they continue to create a more balanced team.

We've had plenty players who I thought were better than what we had and nothing has changed. Right now I'm happy to accept some if these guys back in if we can improve.

By the way in talking about penalties and one on ones Riordan might be heading your queue.

[blackpoolhibs]

Whilst I don't disagree too much overall I'm happy to see if they continue to create a more balanced team.

We've had plenty players who I thought were better than what we had and nothing has changed. Right now I'm happy to accept some if these guys back in if we can improve.

By the way in talking about penalties and one on ones Riordan might be heading your queue.

There's not a lot any of us can do, and i include the manager in that. as you say if he can get us working as a better unit, we will surely pick up some points. Although i feel we are a million miles away from having a good team. CC might get us back to average, but i stick to my initial analysis of the team, it needs a major overhaul imho. I just hope CC is the man who can do it?

[Albion Hibs]

Glad to hear there were signs of improvement today although my main worry has always been our lack of mental toughness when presented with opportunities to win or get a point. We just don't seem to have it imo and won't until major surgery on the squad in January.

I'll be there out of duty rather than expectation next week and will roar them on but i fear we won't get the same levels of commitment from these players. I pray and hope they prove me wrong and if they do I'll be amongst the first on here to say well done.

**** the Hertz and GGTTH

Definate signs of improvement mate, to the extent where if we can play like next week I will be going along hoping for a good result. Difference between todays defence and last weeks was night and day. Midfield did well, the only change I would think about is Murray in for Rankin to give a little bit more height and stength, plus we may have to double up on Kyle.

Today we were unlucky, I think if Riordan can take the armband and score from three miles out he has to take penalties, or Miller. Was not confident we Rankin stepped up and unfortunatly I was right, but thats life I guess.

Whilst I think we can strengthen the squad in January one or two players would do it for me. The best managers in the world say they dont get involved in the January window, I would take there lead and leave any larger scale works until the summer.

[matty_f]

There's not a lot any of us can do, and i include the manager in that. as you say if he can get us working as a better unit, we will surely pick up some points. Although i feel we are a million miles away from having a good team. CC might get us back to average, but i stick to my initial analysis of the team, it needs a major overhaul imho. I just hope CC is the man who can do it?

:agree: Agree with that, but I would go so far as to say that I think he is the man who can do this. So far, he's trying to get us to do the simple things better. Football isn't a complicated game and IMHO, getting better and better at doing the basics is a fundamental thing for any successful side.

[blackpoolhibs]

Oh touchy!

I think you will find I acknowledged that you are more than entitled to your view. But your simlistic view of manager is not winning get rid of, player did not play well get rid of, formation does not work change to this, this and this - is simply not sustainable, you would need 10 subs a game and a transfer window that lasted all year and of course a hertz style wage budget.

We are Hibs, it is simply not going to happen.

The reality is if each of the current players turned into world beaters your view would probably not change, but thats your view and your entitled to it.

For what its worth there was not one Boo at the end of the game despite loosing a goal in the final few mins, recognition from those that were there that we were unlucky and things are moving in the right direction.

Another pile of pish. I never said we should replace the manager until about 2 weeks before he went. I also said at the time when Yogi was in charge he could pick any formation with any of the players, and it really wouldn't make a lot of difference.:confused: WTF are you on mentioning 10 subs and a hearts type budget?:confused:

More pish that i wouldn't change my mind if they started to play like world beaters. Away and throw ***** at yourself. Don't tell me what i would or wouldn't do, you dont know me. I'd love it for each and every one of them to prove me wrong. :asshole:

[Jonnyboy]

:agree: Agree with that, but I would go so far as to say that I think he is the man who can do this. So far, he's trying to get us to do the simple things better. Football isn't a complicated game and IMHO, getting better and better at doing the basics is a fundamental thing for any successful side.

:agree: :top marks

[Albion Hibs]

Another pile of pish. I never said we should replace the manager until about 2 weeks before he went. I also said at the time when Yogi was in charge he could pick any formation with any of the players, and it really wouldn't make a lot of difference.:confused: WTF are you on mentioning 10 subs and a hearts type budget?:confused:

More pish that i wouldn't change my mind if they started to play like world beaters. Away and throw ***** at yourself. Don't tell me what i would or wouldn't do, you dont know me. I'd love it for each and every one of them to prove me wrong. :asshole:

My opinion, and I am entitled to it - as for two weeks before chat, have a word, you know thats not true.

[Andy74]

There's not a lot any of us can do, and i include the manager in that. as you say if he can get us working as a better unit, we will surely pick up some points. Although i feel we are a million miles away from having a good team. CC might get us back to average, but i stick to my initial analysis of the team, it needs a major overhaul imho. I just hope CC is the man who can do it?

I think you would certainly have felt quite positive had you been able to see it. It was such a change to see a balanced set up and the old hunting in packs to get the ball back.

I didn't buy the fact that Hughes had hot the whole set up wrong and I really like McBride but I have to say today felt we actually had a team set up by someone who knows what they are doing. And with McBride out we were quicker with everything with De Graaf driving it on.

Looking forward to next week now.

[blackpoolhibs]

My opinion, and I am entitled to it - as for two weeks before chat, have a word, you know thats not true.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion. How long was it then? :confused:

[Greenblood70]

Definate signs of improvement mate, to the extent where if we can play like next week I will be going along hoping for a good result. Difference between todays defence and last weeks was night and day. Midfield did well, the only change I would think about is Murray in for Rankin to give a little bit more height and stength, plus we may have to double up on Kyle.

Today we were unlucky, I think if Riordan can take the armband and score from three miles out he has to take penalties, or Miller. Was not confident we Rankin stepped up and unfortunatly I was right, but thats life I guess.

Whilst I think we can strengthen the squad in January one or two players would do it for me. The best managers in the world say they dont get involved in the January window, I would take there lead and leave any larger scale works until the summer.

Cheers for trying to cheer me up..your right about January I meant to say start to overhaul the squad.

My fear is we keep saying we're unlucky or improving and still dont get results..dont get me wrong a 1-0 defeat at Utd at the moment is no disgrace but I'd have been more encouraged if we'd held on for a point.

I hesitate to post this as I think I'll get pelters but a lot of the boo boys will turn on the team next Sunday if we're getting beat. The repercussions of a defeat where the support has turned against the players at the games won't help us in our struggle to stay in the league (as thats the way I see the rest of this season, a survival battle). This game is a masssive derby for the club..I just hope the players realise how serious it is.

[Albion Hibs]

Cheers for trying to cheer me up..your right about January I meant to say start to overhaul the squad.

My fear is we keep saying we're unlucky or improving and still dont get results..dont get me wrong a 1-0 defeat at Utd at the moment is no disgrace but I'd have been more encouraged if we'd held on for a point.

I hesitate to post this as I think I'll get pelters but a lot of the boo boys will turn on the team next Sunday if we're getting beat. The repercussions of a defeat where the support has turned against the players at the games won't help us in our struggle to stay in the league (as thats the way I see the rest of this season, a survival battle). This game is a masssive derby for the club..I just hope the players realise how serious it is.

If we could have held on ideal, I do think a result is one our way, the fixtures are not kind something like hertz, rangers then away to ICT, but I just want them to keep plugging away and we will start getting results.

My only concern would be how to get more support to Riordan, playing in the role he was in today means we effectively loose him. Will leave that to CC, he has sorted the defense and midfield in the space of a week, sure he can get that bit!!!

[Hibernia Na Eir]

from the great "comic" Stack right down to Falkirk rejects such as McBride, get rid.

These guys are not winners, just footballing mercenaries who dont care what colour they wear, as long as they pick up a wage.

Total clear out required and new brains needed!

[sunshine1875]

I'm not convinced by the keeper, i'd rather Stack played when fit until we get better. De Graff Stevenson Rankin Galbraith. Only 5 sorry miscounted.

Stack - a clown and too injury prone, too small and poor with crosses.
De Graff - he will be there next season so we need to build up his confidence and suppport him
Stevenson - feel sorry for him as he has not done much wrong IMO, but has hardly played regular football in the last couple of years. I think it is better for him to find another club, new start and all that!
Rankin - yes he tries hard and yes he has good moments in some games, but he is not doing enough to convince me that he should stay. Time to go, John.
Galbraith - another who needs regular football to convince that he should remain.

Tries hard, but clumsy Nish, Back-pass McBride need to be binned IMO.

[Ray_]

There's not a lot any of us can do, and i include the manager in that. as you say if he can get us working as a better unit, we will surely pick up some points. Although i feel we are a million miles away from having a good team. CC might get us back to average, but i stick to my initial analysis of the team, it needs a major overhaul imho. I just hope CC is the man who can do it?

I agree, at last we showed a bit of fight, although we were still poor, unlike Utd, penalty apart, we still failed to create any clear cut chances, the goal was a mess & before the penalty, we had to rely on Utd's misses to keep us level and sadly, even with those deficancies, we were still a whole lot better than the previous week.

Watching the game, my mind kept on drifting to the league cup tie, at the same venue in 1972, with Hibs tearing apart a decent United team, winning 4-1. This was about seven years after my first Hibs game & although there had been disapointments, I never imagined that I'd end up watching Hibs teams sink to the depth they have, both in the past & over the last couple of years.