Judge asks doctors to damage criminals spinal cord.

[CB_NO3]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100820/twl-judge-asks-doctors-to-damage-crimina-3fd0ae9.html

This will certainly make you think twice about stabbing or killing someone.

[HibsMax]

Good luck to them. I think they will find it hard to find a professional who has taken an oath to help people who will actually harm them on purpose.

[Pete]

There's a part of me that agrees with this punishment. The attacker inflicted paralasys on the victim so natural justice would be for the attacker to suffer the same fate. It's getting back exactly what you gave out.

However, it's barbaric to say the least. For a justice system to carry out a punishment like that seems twisted and I wouldn't feel safe living there. If you were to use the same logic what would happen to a rapist? Would they be raped themselves? What would happen to a paedophile? I wouldn't even want to guess!

What's wrong with longer prison sentences if they want to punish people? They talk about the "word of god" but the only thing they are doing is trying to play god by carrying out this type of punishment.

There's a lot of hoo-ha in the western world when we hear about what other cultures get up to and a lot of the time we are only going by our own view of the world and not looking at the big picture...who are we to say what is right and what is wrong when those from the East can point the finger at our culture and express disgust.
I don't think this sort of punishment falls into that category. Even after looking at the natural justice aspect of it it's simply wrong by any standards and not what any civilised society should be doing....and I certainly think that "god" didn't mean for anything like this to happen when he said "an eye for an eye".

[(((Fergus)))]

It's not all holier-than-thou brutality in the world of Saudi jurisprudence, there's also a rich vein of comedy:

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/saudi-clerics-advocate-adult-breast-feeding/19504280?sms_ss=email

I bet there's a few on here who've made arrangements already, e.g., at the Christmas party. :dummytit:

[(((Fergus)))]

There's a part of me that agrees with this punishment. The attacker inflicted paralasys on the victim so natural justice would be for the attacker to suffer the same fate. It's getting back exactly what you gave out.

However, it's barbaric to say the least. For a justice system to carry out a punishment like that seems twisted and I wouldn't feel safe living there. If you were to use the same logic what would happen to a rapist? Would they be raped themselves? What would happen to a paedophile? I wouldn't even want to guess!

What's wrong with longer prison sentences if they want to punish people? They talk about the "word of god" but the only thing they are doing is trying to play god by carrying out this type of punishment.

There's a lot of hoo-ha in the western world when we hear about what other cultures get up to and a lot of the time we are only going by our own view of the world and not looking at the big picture...who are we to say what is right and what is wrong when those from the East can point the finger at our culture and express disgust.
I don't think this sort of punishment falls into that category. Even after looking at the natural justice aspect of it it's simply wrong by any standards and not what any civilised society should be doing....and I certainly think that "god" didn't mean for anything like this to happen when he said "an eye for an eye".

Why can't we say what is right and wrong? You'd also be hard pushed to find a "Western" vice in the West that is not also practised commonly in the East.

[Beefster]

Good luck to them. I think they will find it hard to find a professional who has taken an oath to help people who will actually harm them on purpose.

Perhaps but perhaps not. Doctors take part in some lethal injections in the US.

[CB_NO3]

It would be intersting to see what their punishment would be to underage criminals e.g. Like what would happen to the kids that murdered that delivery driver last week. Am guessing that type of thing never happens in Saudi Arabia or in the East as much as it does in the West.

[Future17]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100820/twl-judge-asks-doctors-to-damage-crimina-3fd0ae9.html

This will certainly make you think twice about stabbing or killing someone.

I suppose that's one of the arguments in favour of the punishment but i'm not sure it's true.

How many people who stab or shoot people do so having thought of, and accepted, the consequences of their actions if they're caught?

[steakbake]

It would be intersting to see what their punishment would be to underage criminals e.g. Like what would happen to the kids that murdered that delivery driver last week. Am guessing that type of thing never happens in Saudi Arabia or in the East as much as it does in the West.

Yeah, I for one cannot wait for the UK to adopt the Saudi or Chinese legal systems. They are so regularly noted as being a paradigm of justice. :rolleyes:

[CB_NO3]

Well its better than the holiday camps we have at our jails, am not saying adopt their system, far from it. Am just stating that our justice system is a farce and needs to be tougher and stricter. Criminals should be treated like criminals, am not saying disable their bodies or chop off part of their body but they should not be living with playstations, xbox and internet access aswell as having central heating and 3 course meals everyday.

[lyonhibs]

have u BEEN to a mainstream prison recently? As part of a job i/view, I was taken on a tour of Shotts. No Xbox or i-net access to be seen.

[CropleyWasGod]

Well its better than the holiday camps we have at our jails, am not saying adopt their system, far from it. Am just stating that our justice system is a farce and needs to be tougher and stricter. Criminals should be treated like criminals, am not saying disable their bodies or chop off part of their body but they should not be living with playstations, xbox and internet access aswell as having central heating and 3 course meals everyday.

Step away from the Daily Mail, sir....:wink:

[Phil D. Rolls]

I could do with a good night's sleep - where do I apply? :cool2:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Perhaps but perhaps not. Doctors take part in some lethal injections in the US.

There was doctors and nurses who terminated the lives of mentally ill people and people with learning disabilities in the 3rd Reich. Not to mention conducting horrific experiments in the name of science. Just cos they have that job, doesn't mean they are above human frailty.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm with Ghandi on this one.

[Pete]

Why can't we say what is right and wrong? You'd also be hard pushed to find a "Western" vice in the West that is not also practised commonly in the East.

We can say what we like but we shouldn't take the moral high ground when other cultures have differing views. Who are we to go around enforcing western ways of thinking on anyone?

Unless it's a gross violation of human, environmental or animal rights we should keep our noses out and accept that we are different yet equal.

[Twa Cairpets]

We can say what we like but we shouldn't take the moral high ground when other cultures have differing views. Who are we to go around enforcing western ways of thinking on anyone?

Unless it's a gross violation of human, environmental or animal rights we should keep our noses out and accept that we are different yet equal.

This is an oft-posted point. While there are many areas of cultural difference between peoples that do nothing but contribute positively to the diversity of life, this isolationist stance is, I think, a weak one.

It is a mandate for dictators and fundamenalists - "This is our land, this is how we do things here" as they impose their personal morality on a country. Zimbabwe, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan under the Taliban spring to mind.

In relation to the OP, I would think that the deliberate maiming of a persons spinal cord could be argued as a gross violation of human rights.

[khib70]

This is an oft-posted point. While there are many areas of cultural difference between peoples that do nothing but contribute positively to the diversity of life, this isolationist stance is, I think, a weak one.

It is a mandate for dictators and fundamenalists - "This is our land, this is how we do things here" as they impose their personal morality on a country. Zimbabwe, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan under the Taliban spring to mind.

In relation to the OP, I would think that the deliberate maiming of a persons spinal cord could be argued as a gross violation of human rights.
Exactly. Cultural relativism is just letting evil off the hook. And it's a one way process. How many Islamic countries practise any level of cultural tolerance when it comes to Western culture?

And is there a limit to what can be tolerated because "it's their culture"? Honour killings? Stonings? Genital mutilation? Female infanticide? Or is it simply open house, as some left wing intellectuals seem to believe. We cant be "colonialist" in judging other cultures. As you rightly say, its carte blanche for oppressors, dictators and religious fanatics.

[HibsMax]

Perhaps but perhaps not. Doctors take part in some lethal injections in the US.
I wasn't sure of that and (obviously) didn't bother to research it myself. For some reason I figured it was "someone else" who had been given authority to do that, but not a doctor. I live and learn.

[New Corrie]

Step away from the Daily Mail, sir....:wink:

The ever predictable retort from the "friends of criminals" movement

[Pretty Boy]

have u BEEN to a mainstream prison recently? As part of a job i/view, I was taken on a tour of Shotts. No Xbox or i-net access to be seen.

:agree:

I've visited several prisons with a previous job and if thats a 'holiday camp' i think i'll pass.

Anyone who believes life in prison is easy has clearly never seen the inside of one. Some people really shouldn't believe everything they read in the papers.

[lyonhibs]

:agree:

I've visited several prisons with a previous job and if thats a 'holiday camp' i think i'll pass.

Anyone who believes life in prison is easy has clearly never seen the inside of one. Some people really shouldn't believe everything they read in the papers.

And no-one should believe anything they read in the Daily Mail :greengrin

[New Corrie]

And no-one should believe anything they read in the Daily Mail :greengrin

I know, i've just been at lunch with my friend Gideon (St Pauli supporter) at a lovely Vegan restaurant and he was saying just that.

[Twa Cairpets]

I know, i've just been at lunch with my friend Gideon (St Pauli supporter) at a lovely Vegan restaurant and he was saying just that.

At the risk of a total thread hijack (and possibly being a little ruder than required) but in a proud history of mildly bonkers posts from you, this one is a doozy.

It made me laugh though.

Out of genuine curiosity, do you read the Daily Mail?

[New Corrie]

At the risk of a total thread hijack (and possibly being a little ruder than required) but in a proud history of mildly bonkers posts from you, this one is a doozy.

It made me laugh though.

Out of genuine curiosity, do you read the Daily Mail?


I don't read the Daily Mail TC, Telegraph for the crossword and the obituaries, Record for the football. My imaginary friend Gideon reads the Guardian.

[marinello59]

:agree:

I've visited several prisons with a previous job and if thats a 'holiday camp' i think i'll pass.

Anyone who believes life in prison is easy has clearly never seen the inside of one. Some people really shouldn't believe everything they read in the papers.

Were you a burglar?

[--------]

Good luck to them. I think they will find it hard to find a professional who has taken an oath to help people who will actually harm them on purpose.


Don't know about that, Max.

Mengele and Shipman took the Hippocratic oath in their day.


The problem I find with the 'eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth' argument is that taken to its logical conclusion, most of the world ends up blind and toothless....

:rolleyes:

[HibsMax]

Don't know about that, Max.

Mengele and Shipman took the Hippocratic oath in their day.


The problem I find with the 'eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth' argument is that taken to its logical conclusion, most of the world ends up blind and toothless....

:rolleyes:
True but I think they might be obvious exceptions. When I made my comment I was really thinking about all good medical professionals. I'm sure you will always find some villains. For example, those that work in abortion clinics. :tin hat: