Nick Griffin Banned from Royal Garden Party

[Future17]

What a ridiculous decision, which will only lead to more publicity for the BNP. :bitchy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10723764

[bighairyfaeleith]

What a ridiculous decision, which will only lead to more publicity for the BNP. :bitchy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10723764

it's a bit of damned if they do, damed if they don't. They should have let the queen give him a jolly good telling off:greengrin

[Toaods]

graden parties are a complete waste of the public purse and should be scrapped regardless.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Griffin was only there to perform balloon tricks and entertain the corgis

[Saorsa]

graden parties are a complete waste of the public purse and should be scrapped regardless.:top marks



I'd go further though and scrap those responsible for the parties. :agree:

[Jonnyboy]

That's not all I'd ban him from.

Breathing comes to mind :wink:

[Mixu62]

He an Philip would probably get on like a house on fire.

[Hibbyradge]

Good.

No matter what your stance on the monarchy and garden parties is, if access to the Queen had been allowed, it would have just served to give that creature an air of respectability that it doesn't deserve.

It would have also put Liz in a heck of an awkward position because you can bet your lfe that Griffiths would have made a direct approach. The effect of photos of him being received by the Queen would be very significant for the BNP. A huge and important propaganda boost.

They can bleat all they want, but banning him pre-empts this and sends out all the right signals.

[Future17]

Good.

No matter what your stance on the monarchy and garden parties is, if access to the Queen had been allowed, it would have just served to give that creature an air of respectability that it doesn't deserve.

It would have also put Liz in a heck of an awkward position because you can bet your lfe that Griffiths would have made a direct approach. The effect of photos of him being received by the Queen would be very significant for the BNP. A huge and important propaganda boost.

They can bleat all they want, but banning him pre-empts this and sends out all the right signals.

While I agree with you in some ways, I think the type of propaganda boost you refer to would mainly influence those who already vote for the BNP. The danger of this type of action, i.e. banning them from events, media etc, is that it casts them in the role of "us against the establishment" and helps them to attract new voters.

While I also agree with previous posters that the garden parties, and to a degree the monarchy itself, are a waste of time and money, I actually feel the BNP have been badly, and undemocratically, treated on this issue.

For goodness' sake, surely we can prevent **** like the BNP becoming a force through the established, democratic process rather than have to resort to manipulating rules and legislation to suit our short-term needs. Once we start down that path we're on a very slippery slope.

[Hibbyradge]

"If we were so evil, would we be allowed to meet the Queen?"

"Look, there's nice Mr Griffiths bowing to her majesty. A real proper Brit, Mr Griffiths."

etc etc etc

While I understand your fears, it has to be remembered that Griffiths manipulated the system to get an invitation in the first place. What's good for the goose...

[bawheid]

"If we were so evil, would we be allowed to meet the Queen?"

"Look, there's nice Mr Griffiths bowing to her majesty. A real proper Brit, Mr Griffiths."

etc etc etc

While I understand your fears, it has to be remembered that Griffiths manipulated the system to get an invitation in the first place. What's good for the goose...

Aye, after the John Higgins scandal, it would appear that these snooker players are a right bunch. :wink:

[Betty Boop]

Aw poor Nasty Nick ! I'm sure Prince Philip and him would have got along splendidly, they have a lot in common after all. :rolleyes:

[heretoday]

Aw poor Nasty Nick ! I'm sure Prince Philip and him would have got along splendidly, they have a lot in common after all. :rolleyes:

Indeed! Either way the BNP have got a load of publicity out of this.

[Betty Boop]

Indeed! Either way the BNP have got a load of publicity out of this.


The BNP were still represented at the 'party', the equally vile Anrew Brons was in attendance.

[Future17]

"If we were so evil, would we be allowed to meet the Queen?"

"Look, there's nice Mr Griffiths bowing to her majesty. A real proper Brit, Mr Griffiths."

etc etc etc

While I understand your fears, it has to be remembered that Griffiths manipulated the system to get an invitation in the first place. What's good for the goose...

How so?

[Woody1985]

He an Philip would probably get on like a house on fire.

:tee hee:

That's why I keep laughing when they're all saying the queen would never want anything to do with Philip's, I mean Nick's, views.

[HibeeB]

From The Daily Mash;


GRIFFIN IS FIRST NAZI BANNED FROM PALACE SINCE EDWARD VIII
(http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2937&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=28)
(http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=2937&itemid=28) 23-07-10

NICK Griffin last night became the first Nazi to be told he was not welcome at Buckingham Palace since King Edward VIII in 1936.


http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/images/stories/edhit1.jpg

Historians now agree that Edward VIII was a turd


The BNP leader's invitation to a palace garden party was withdrawn after it was decided the monarch's official residence should not be a haven for fascists. Again.

Amid angry scenes, Mr Griffin was turned away at the palace gates as the Duke of Edinburgh became involved in a shouting match with the Queen's head of protocol before being dragged away by the Grenadier Guards.

A spokesman said: "Buckingham Palace has never been a platform for individuals with fascist political views. Okay, maybe once or twice. Alright, five or six. Okay, about 20 or 30 times. Fine, 300 times. But that's it."

Meanwhile, Sir Denys Finch-Hatton, a former permanent secretary at the Foreign Office, insisted it was a common misconception that King Edward VIII abdicated because of his love for some ghastly American tart.

"Of course he could have married her - all we had to do was change the law. Would have taken two minutes.

"No, the King was told to leave because by 1936 it was clear Britain would inevitably be at war with Germany and it would probably not be in the nation's best interests if the commander-in-chief of the armed forces was a Nazi."

He added: "The prevailing consensus - one that I eventually came to agree with - was that being in charge of both armies would have given the Germans an unfair advantage."

Lady Margaret Gerving, who made her début in 1934, said: "When Edward was Prince of Wales one had to be a Nazi to get into a Buckingham Palace garden party.

"One had to be up to date with all the latest racial theories just in case the Prince wanted to test one's loyalty to the thousand-year reich."

She added: "They were such jolly affairs. The Von Ribbentrops would always bring a lovely Victoria sponge with a swastika on it and the slogan 'cake makes us free'.

"And then that dashing Mr Moseley and the proprietor of the Daily Mail would stand on a table and do their wonderful impression of an old Jewish man having sexual intercourse with a pig."

[hibsbollah]

Griffin is like one of those speaking dolls that say the same thing over and over and over again. He was at it again yesterday, every sentence he utters is about 'the liberal elite'. The liberal elite this the liberal elite that. It must be tedious even for his supporters. Can't he find anyone else to blame? Even the muslims are getting an easy ride, relatively speaking:greengrin

If Griffin were any good at politics, we'd all be in trouble. Thankfully, he isnt and the far right in this country are probably the most insignificant in Europe.

[Dashing Bob S]

Aw poor Nasty Nick ! I'm sure Prince Philip and him would have got along splendidly, they have a lot in common after all. :rolleyes:

That's what I was thnking. What happened, was Griffin not considered to be racist enough for those parasites?

[Mixu62]

That's what I was thnking. What happened, was Griffin not considered to be racist enough for those parasites?

Yeah, "Britain for the British" (and Greeks......and Germans)

[JennaFletcher]

It's an interesting one because on the one hand if we're talking about democracy then Nick Griffin (unfortunately) should have every right to go to the Royal Garden Party since he is a democratically elected MEP. However, on the other hand, they are taking a stance against his hateful politics. The Queen/Royals are to represent & protect the people of Britain (or so I would say) so they have to stand up for everyone. How bad does it look for the Royals to be mingling with Nick bloody Griffin?!

[CropleyWasGod]

It's an interesting one because on the one hand if we're talking about democracy then Nick Griffin (unfortunately) should have every right to go to the Royal Garden Party since he is a democratically elected MEP. However, on the other hand, they are taking a stance against his hateful politics. The Queen/Royals are to represent & protect the people of Britain (or so I would say) so they have to stand up for everyone. How bad does it look for the Royals to be mingling with Nick bloody Griffin?!

No, they're not.

1. NG was going with the intention of putting questions to the Queen that "the British people would like answered". He publicised this beforehand. He therefore had his invitattion withdrawn because he was using the event for political purposes, which is specifically prohibited.

2. perish the thought that the Royal family might actually mingle with fascists :rolleyes: Edward VII? Prince "Adolf" Philip?

[JennaFletcher]

Griffin is like one of those speaking dolls that say the same thing over and over and over again. He was at it again yesterday, every sentence he utters is about 'the liberal elite'. The liberal elite this the liberal elite that. It must be tedious even for his supporters. Can't he find anyone else to blame? Even the muslims are getting an easy ride, relatively speaking:greengrin

If Griffin were any good at politics, we'd all be in trouble. Thankfully, he isnt and the far right in this country are probably the most insignificant in Europe.

Obviously Griffin is reaching out to some people otherwise he wouldn't be elected. But like, why would anyone ever vote for him? I've seen a few documentaries on it and I've seen that Question Time with Nick on it and it seems as though they're all thick!

[JennaFletcher]

No, they're not.

1. NG was going with the intention of putting questions to the Queen that "the British people would like answered". He publicised this beforehand. He therefore had his invitattion withdrawn because he was using the event for political purposes, which is specifically prohibited.

2. perish the thought that the Royal family might actually mingle with fascists :rolleyes: Edward VII? Prince "Adolf" Philip?

So if another politician went and it was known that they had political questions to ask the Queen would they also have their invitation withdrawn? Like say it was Clegg or Cameron?

[CropleyWasGod]

Obviously Griffin is reaching out to some people otherwise he wouldn't be elected. But like, why would anyone ever vote for him? I've seen a few documentaries on it and I've seen that Question Time with Nick on it and it seems as though they're all thick!

Because, quite simply, he pushes some people's buttons in an emotional way that other parties don't.

"Why don't I have a job/house?" .... there are plenty jobs and houses, but all the Poles/Africans/Asians have 'em.

Simple politics, simple answers.

[CropleyWasGod]

So if another politician went and it was known that they had political questions to ask the Queen would they also have their invitation withdrawn? Like say it was Clegg or Cameron?

One would presume, indeed hope, so.

But Clegg or Cameron would, of course, have other ways of asking questions of Her Maj. Indeed, it seems that Griffin would know this too.....

Wait.. you don't think he did this all as a publicity stunt, do you?

:rolleyes:

[JennaFletcher]

Because, quite simply, he pushes some people's buttons in an emotional way that other parties don't.

"Why don't I have a job/house?" .... there are plenty jobs and houses, but all the Poles/Africans/Asians have 'em.

Simple politics, simple answers.

That was somewhat a rhetorical question as in "People shouldn't vote for him!" but unfortunately they do.

[JennaFletcher]

One would presume, indeed hope, so.

But Clegg or Cameron would, of course, have other ways of asking questions of Her Maj. Indeed, it seems that Griffin would know this too.....

Wait.. you don't think he did this all as a publicity stunt, do you?

:rolleyes:

I don't think so I think it's easy to say that he isn't invited because he would be too political. Easy way to get out of having him at the party!

[CropleyWasGod]

That was somewhat a rhetorical question as in "People shouldn't vote for him!" but unfortunately they do.

Rhetorical or not, it is a question that the mainstream parties have to deal with. What do the BNP have that they don't have?

If they don't, if and when PR comes in, they will find that the BNP's representation in Parliament is much more than it is now.

[JennaFletcher]

Rhetorical or not, it is a question that the mainstream parties have to deal with. What do the BNP have that they don't have?

If they don't, if and when PR comes in, they will find that the BNP's representation in Parliament is much more than it is now.

All the BNP are doing is reaching out to the lower classes by preying on their fears and expectations. If you're uneducated on Britain & politics then you're going to be taken in by a charismatic leader who answers all your questions, realises your fears and promises traditional values and the good old Britain of yester year. The other parties realise this and they just expose him for what he is. All we can do is educate & hope that people listen to the truth.
You seen the programme on BNP Wives & Mothers?

[Future17]

You seen the programme on BNP Wives & Mothers?

Saw the end of an episode the other night. Bizarre at times yet mesmerising.

[Hibbyradge]

Aye, after the John Higgins scandal, it would appear that these snooker players are a right bunch. :wink:

:faf:

:embarrass

:top marks

[richard_pitts]

All the BNP are doing is reaching out to the lower classes by preying on their fears and expectations. If you're uneducated on Britain & politics then you're going to be taken in by a charismatic leader who answers all your questions, realises your fears and promises traditional values and the good old Britain of yester year. The other parties realise this and they just expose him for what he is. All we can do is educate & hope that people listen to the truth.
You seen the programme on BNP Wives & Mothers?

Good point. Historically Britain has flirted with facism then looked at it, seen it for what it is and given it the heave-ho. I have taken their arguments on and when you scratch the surface they are found out for what they are...