Death of Ian Tomlinson - No Charges

[Bishop Hibee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10723274

At least we "subjects" know where we stand when it comes to protesting or being caught up in a protest :bitchy:

Total and utter disgrace. I hope the family bring a private prosecution if that's possible.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10723274

At least we "subjects" know where we stand when it comes to protesting or being caught up in a protest :bitchy:

Total and utter disgrace. I hope the family bring a private prosecution if that's possible.



This was a no-brainer, I'm afraid.

I can't remember a single case of a civilian dying at the hands of a member of the Metropolitan Police and the police being held to account.

As you say - a disgrace.

[hibsbollah]

Shocking that, despite all the evidence, no charges are being brought. The differing coroner's reports gives the justification that the prosecutor's need; 'there was uncertainty about the cause of death, so theres no legal basis to proceed':bitchy:

Of course there's a legal basis to proceed. Terrible decision.

[Beefster]

Shocking that, despite all the evidence, no charges are being brought. The differing coroner's reports gives the justification that the prosecutor's need; 'there was uncertainty about the cause of death, so theres no legal basis to proceed':bitchy:

Of course there's a legal basis to proceed. Terrible decision.

Apparently, of the three pathologists, the one who disagreed on the cause of death is up in front of the GMC for misconduct. So the main basis for not prosecuting is a guy who may yet be struck off.

[Hibs Class]

If I correctly understand what I have read then I can see why a conviction for wrongful death would be unlikely (conflicting post mortem conclusions). However, I don't see why a charge of assault could be anything other than in the public interest.

[hibeemikey21]

Can someone explain to me how the precise physiological cause of his death is even that relevant? Surely given the time scale between the assault and the death, it is clearly a case of the thin skull rule, no? i.e. you take your victim as you find them, meaning that his organs may well have been ****ed beforehand, but the assault clearly hastened his death

:confused:

[hibsbollah]

Can someone explain to me how the precise physiological cause of his death is even that relevant? Surely given the time scale between the assault and the death, it is clearly a case of the thin skull rule, no? i.e. you take your victim as you find them, meaning that his organs may well have been ****ed beforehand, but the assault clearly hastened his death

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Those were exactly my thoughts. Thereve been a number of cases where elderly people have had heart attacks a few minutes after having violent confrontations with noisy neds, and the neds involved have still been charged with serious offences (manslaughter, IMRSMC).

[Pretty Boy]

If I correctly understand what I have read then I can see why a conviction for wrongful death would be unlikely (conflicting post mortem conclusions). However, I don't see why a charge of assault could be anything other than in the public interest.

This was my initial thought. Whilst a manslaughter conviction would have been difficult due to the difference in opinions within the post mortem results; i fail to understand how, with the video evidence available, an assault charge isn't being pursued.

Looks like the 'slippy stairs' are still alive and well within the British Police and legal systems.

[Betty Boop]

This was my initial thought. Whilst a manslaughter conviction would have been difficult due to the difference in opinions within the post mortem results; i fail to understand how, with the video evidence available, an assault charge isn't being pursued.

Looks like the 'slippy stairs' are still alive and well within the British Police and legal systems.

The accused has to be charged with common assault within six months.

[Pretty Boy]

The accused has to be charged with common assault within six months.

So, unless i am getting the worng end of the stick entirely, if i commit an assault all i have to do is avoid the Police for 6 months and i get off scot free?

[Darth Hibbie]

So, unless i am getting the worng end of the stick entirely, if i commit an assault all i have to do is avoid the Police for 6 months and i get off scot free?

Only in England. No limit of time in Scotland.

[bighairyfaeleith]

Have to say this is a shocking cover up. The police must hate youtube and video phones though, eventually the public will win out.

[Pete]

I felt sorry for the police for the way they were crucified for handling this demonstration. Other CCTV footage showed them getting leatherings and being heavilly outnumbered and I asked myself how I would handle myself in a situation like that.

However, for this officer not to face any charges at all is on of the biggest miscarriages of justice I have ever seen. It's all on tape FFS and the boys dies as a result of his injuries according to medical experts....and one who dodgy one who disagrees has his opinion taken into consideration resulting in no charges!!

It's basically one rule for them and another for the rest of us. The one thing the police want to do is break down barriers but this decision by the CPS has just re-affirmed that they can do what they like and get away with it. It smacks of inter-agency bull****.

I hope this doesn't lie down and this guy get's justice.

[Phil D. Rolls]

This was a PC gone mad.

[Betty Boop]

It appears that PC Harwood had been investigated twice before, about his aggressive behaviour.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/g20-summit/7905549/G20-riots-Policeman-who-stuck-Ian-Tomlinson-faced-two-previous-aggression-inquiries.html

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It appears that PC Harwood had been investigated twice before, about his aggressive behaviour.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/g20-summit/7905549/G20-riots-Policeman-who-stuck-Ian-Tomlinson-faced-two-previous-aggression-inquiries.html


Now THAT surprises me.... NOT. :rolleyes:

[Hibs Class]

The accused has to be charged with common assault within six months.


I noticed this story earlier today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10949216

It sounds as though assault charges are being brought now, for something that happened nearly seven years ago. So I don't see any reason why the officer assaulting IT cannot be similarly charged

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I noticed this story earlier today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10949216

It sounds as though assault charges are being brought now, for something that happened nearly seven years ago. So I don't see any reason why the officer assaulting IT cannot be similarly charged


Nor I. Maybe IT's family need to start a campaign. :cool2:

[Betty Boop]

Nor I. Maybe IT's family need to start a campaign. :cool2:

They already have!

http://www.iantomlinsonfamilycampaign.org.uk/

[Green_one]

I find this interesting

"Dressed in a bright yellow reflective jacket, black uniform and helmet, Pc Harwood’s identity number was covered up and he had a scarf across the lower part of his face. " Sounds like he was anticipating 'trouble'.

So the guy gets bitten by a police dog, hit with baton and slamed to the ground. Nothing to see then!!!

If I get my dog to bite a cop, hit him with a piece of wood and push him to the ground I assume its all fine too? Maybe not. However I have no history of such acts so if anything I should be in a better position. This really stinks and I am not one of those who jumps on the anti cop bandwagon.