Heracles 3 v Hibernian 0 FT

[Diclonius]

My first ever match updates thread, quite excited. :greengrin

So, who's all going?

[Geo_1875]

Flying out early Friday. Should get there early afternoon in time for a few beers before the game.

[seanraff07]

What times kick-off?

[seanraff07]

What times kick-off?

Found it, 7pm local time so 6pm here.

[Mikey]

Any news on the starting line up?

[blackpoolhibs]

Quoted post edited

Any news on the starting line up?

Is this £3 on top of our yearly subscription?

[truehibernian]

Mmm...paid the £3, logged in, and the same as v QOS it is asking for ID and password for a licence ??? Help :grr:

[hibernian tv]

try leaving it blank

[truehibernian]

Nope, no joy. B***ocks :boo hoo:

[PeeJay]

Is this £3 on top of our yearly subscription?

Try entering through the Hibernian TV site (as a novelty!) - I'm connected :confused: to a live stream "Preseason Opponent" (too early I guess though for any commentary)??

[Mikey]

Is this £3 on top of our yearly subscription?

No idea. I've merely posted the link.

[Diclonius]

Try putting in the same details as you used to log in.

[Mikey]

There's no audio folks. See other thread for confirmation.

[blackpoolhibs]

Try entering through the Hibernian TV site (as a novelty!) - I'm connected :confused: to a live stream "Preseason Opponent" (too early I guess though for any commentary)??

Nothing for me, apart from the paypal screen. It must mean i have to pay? Who knows??????

[sunshine1875]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20100716/heracles-0-hibernian-0_2262950_2094409

Team on attached link. It also says match commentary is not available.

[houston1875]

Try entering through the Hibernian TV site (as a novelty!) - I'm connected :confused: to a live stream "Preseason Opponent" (too early I guess though for any commentary)??

That's what I did,but can't hear anything?

[sunshine1875]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20100716/heracles-0-hibernian-0_2262950_2094409

Team on attached link. It also says match commentary is not available.

Just noticed that we are playing with no strikers and with two John Rankins.:cool2:

[bingo70]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20100716/heracles-0-hibernian-0_2262950_2094409

Team on attached link. It also says match commentary is not available.

Playing with no strikers :confused:

[Supraninja]

Just noticed that we are playing with no strikers and with two John Rankins.:cool2:

TWO?!? :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

John Rankin should do well tonight.

[Diclonius]

Could it be possible that the game hasn't started yet, and it's actually on at 7 our time?

[sundo1875]

Who is up front

[houston1875]

John Rankin should do well tonight.

John rankin should be allover the pitch the night?

[seanraff07]

And number 1 is John Rankin :greengrin....

[.Sean.]

Who is up front
Rankin and Rankin :agree:

[Supraninja]

Which Rankin will play in midfield, and which one up front?

[Hibby70]

is there 2 rankins so both sides of the stadium can give him abuse even when he's playing well?

[Diclonius]

I'm guessing Riordan, Stokes and Bamba have Whittakeritis then. Fantastic.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yogi must go, bad enough picking one of them, but 2. :grr:

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm guessing Riordan, Stokes and Bamba have Whittakeritis then. Fantastic.

Naw ya plumb. :wink: Riordans bird has just dropped one, stokes is injured and bamba reports back next tuesday.

[bingo70]

I'm guessing Riordan, Stokes and Bamba have Whittakeritis then. Fantastic.

Either that or Riordan has been left at home so he could be with his missus when there first kid was being born, Stokes is carrying a small injury, although he is on the tour and Bamba has been given time off becuase of his injury and the world cup

[Mikey]

I'm guessing Riordan, Stokes and Bamba have Whittakeritis then. Fantastic.

Presumably Mark Brown does too then?

[grunt]

1-0 to Heracles after 5 minutes

[DC_Hibs]

1-0 down according to livescore.com

[Jim44]

Just noticed that we are playing with no strikers and with two John Rankins.:cool2:




...............and we criticise the BBC for mince reporting. :greengrin

[matty_f]

boooooooooooooooo

[blackpoolhibs]

1-0 to Heracles after 5 minutes

Thats it, i have had enough. Yogi GTF.

[Diclonius]

Cleared that up. Apologies. :wink:

[Mikey]

Either that or Riordan has been left at home so he could be with his missus when there first kid was being born, Stokes is carrying a small injury, although he is on the tour and Bamba has been given time off becuase of his injury and the world cup

Isn't Stokes likely to be one of the Rankin's? Derek's probably at home and Bamba's still recovering from the World Cup.

Seems a much more likely scenario than them all being sold :cool2:

[zosohibee]

Hibernian TV isnt covering, main site says technical difficulties.

[Supraninja]

FS RANKIN GET IT TOGETHER. YOU TOO RANKIN. :grr:

[greenlex]

Riordan should be fined for that. Imagine having a sprog pre season. Not good enough!!!!

[.Sean.]

Anybody find a stream?

[blackpoolhibs]

Anybody find a stream?

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.brookie.org/atf/cf/%257BCFA4686E-CDCA-4399-9907-BBA7EC2507AB%257D/EnergyinStreams_Image1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tu.org/conservation/eastern-conservation/brook-trout/education/energy-in-stream-ecosystems&usg=__gjAncWxB7_3Jy0tNj5iZiOgClI8=&h=1228&w=1818&sz=1114&hl=en&start=1&sig2=Q-EIYop7qvvufa_pZUCA_Q&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=rGzf9akTPU3mxM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSTREAMS%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3 Dopera%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=iZdATLeNKaeI4gbUtfmZDw

[LancashireHibby]

Riordan should be fined for that. Imagine having a sprog pre season. Not good enough!!!!

To be fair, it was one of the rare occasions that he scored last season :wink:

[Thomson1875]

are heracles a good side in holland? dont know much about dutch football teams, will playing over there get us ready for europe?

[LancashireHibby]

are heracles a good side in holland? dont know much about dutch football teams, will playing over there get us ready for europe?

They finished sixth last season, only six points off qualifying for Europe so they can't be too shabby.

[.Sean.]

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.brookie.org/atf/cf/%257BCFA4686E-CDCA-4399-9907-BBA7EC2507AB%257D/EnergyinStreams_Image1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tu.org/conservation/eastern-conservation/brook-trout/education/energy-in-stream-ecosystems&usg=__gjAncWxB7_3Jy0tNj5iZiOgClI8=&h=1228&w=1818&sz=1114&hl=en&start=1&sig2=Q-EIYop7qvvufa_pZUCA_Q&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=rGzf9akTPU3mxM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSTREAMS%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3 Dopera%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=iZdATLeNKaeI4gbUtfmZDw
:greengrin


You ken what I mean!!

[bingo70]

Isn't Stokes likely to be one of the Rankin's? Derek's probably at home and Bamba's still recovering from the World Cup.

Seems a much more likely scenario than them all being sold :cool2:

Could be, sure i read though that Stokes was carrying a small knock though.

[seanraff07]

are heracles a good side in holland? dont know much about dutch football teams, will playing over there get us ready for europe?

All Wikipedia tells you is that they were promoted to the Eredivisie in 2004/05 and in their first season after being promoted finished 13th.

[LancashireHibby]

All Wikipedia tells you is that they were promoted to the Eredivisie in 2004/05 and in their first season after being promoted finished 13th.

Or you can look on the Eredivisie pages on there :wink:

[Scorrie]

At least Everton scored...:offski:

[Gala Foxes]

I was at Ajax Heracles at end of season 2 years ago, Ajax pumped them 7-0

[blackpoolhibs]

are heracles a good side in holland? dont know much about dutch football teams, will playing over there get us ready for europe?

9th at the moment, with a decent goal average.
http://www.soccerway.com/national/netherlands/eredivisie/2010-2011/regular-season/

[seanraff07]

Or you can look on the Eredivisie pages on there :wink:

Oh.:greengrin

[seanraff07]

9th at the moment, with a decent goal average.
http://www.soccerway.com/national/netherlands/eredivisie/2010-2011/regular-season/

Joint top too.

[blackpoolhibs]

Joint top too.

They dont concede too many, but dont score much either.

[seanraff07]

They dont concede too many, but dont score much either.

Yep, maybe our two Rankins will be too much to handle for their solid defence though.

[seanraff07]

2-0 Heracles, oh dear.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yep, maybe our two Rankins will be too much to handle for their solid defence though.

If its still 0-1 at half time, i'd imagine Yogi would unleash rankin in the 2nd half. Only one winner should that happen.

[seanraff07]

HT.. Yogi should just quit now.

[seanraff07]

If its still 0-1 at half time, i'd imagine Yogi would unleash rankin in the 2nd half. Only one winner should that happen.

Read my last post before you said that.:wink:

[Scorrie]

HT.. Yogi should just quit now.

Exactly. Ah'm no going back this season. FACT

[seanraff07]

Exactly. Ah'm no going back this season. FACT

Same, Yogi can have my ST.

[blackpoolhibs]

Read my last post before you said that.:wink:

:agree: We need 3 Rankins.

[Mikeystewart]

Exactly. Ah'm no going back this season. FACT

Its funny that we're joking now give it 4 weeks :cool2:

[Sergey]

:agree: We need 3 Rankins.

Is there a collective noun for Rankins?

[seanraff07]

:agree: We need 3 Rankins.

Ach we only need the one, i'm sure he'll score 3 squigglers.:agree:

[houston1875]

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.brookie.org/atf/cf/%257BCFA4686E-CDCA-4399-9907-BBA7EC2507AB%257D/EnergyinStreams_Image1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tu.org/conservation/eastern-conservation/brook-trout/education/energy-in-stream-ecosystems&usg=__gjAncWxB7_3Jy0tNj5iZiOgClI8=&h=1228&w=1818&sz=1114&hl=en&start=1&sig2=Q-EIYop7qvvufa_pZUCA_Q&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=rGzf9akTPU3mxM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSTREAMS%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3 Dopera%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=iZdATLeNKaeI4gbUtfmZDw

Bahahaha

[Jim_in_Canada]

Is there a collective noun for Rankins?

A squiggler of Rankins ????

[Tricla]

Is there a collective noun for Rankins?

Rankette :dunno:

[sh00byd00]

But... but we trounced the mighty Dunfermline (double European Cup champions and EPL champs for the last 3 seasons) 4-0 and all was well again, so why the sudden get Yogi tae ****** chat?

[sh00byd00]

Rankette :dunno:

More female than collective i'd say. Chavs and chavettes and all that.

[sahib]

But... but we trounced the mighty Dunfermline (double European Cup champions and EPL champs for the last 3 seasons) 4-0 and all was well again, so why the sudden get Yogi tae ****** chat?

I blame Makalamby.

[RoYO!]

Rankii, surely

[Diclonius]

Mixu GTF. :grr:

[frazeHFC]

Sorry if it has been said, but what is the actual team?

[SaulGoodman]

Yogi, GTF :grr::grr:

You can't manage a team at all, when everything goes wrong you've no back up plan whatsover.

The player's clearly think their to good for this club. Playing for the money rather than the fan's

**** the new stand, My season tickets going back :grr::grr:










:greengrin

[sh00byd00]

Sorry if it has been said, but what is the actual team?

Nobody knows, mate as they've mostly been hiding all game.

[seanraff07]

According to the our official site it's still 1-0.:rolleyes:

[Diclonius]

The Official Site must go. Not good enough. :grr:

[brydekirk]

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.brookie.org/atf/cf/%257BCFA4686E-CDCA-4399-9907-BBA7EC2507AB%257D/EnergyinStreams_Image1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tu.org/conservation/eastern-conservation/brook-trout/education/energy-in-stream-ecosystems&usg=__gjAncWxB7_3Jy0tNj5iZiOgClI8=&h=1228&w=1818&sz=1114&hl=en&start=1&sig2=Q-EIYop7qvvufa_pZUCA_Q&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=rGzf9akTPU3mxM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSTREAMS%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3 Dopera%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Den%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=iZdATLeNKaeI4gbUtfmZDw
thats a river, no a stream :rolleyes:

[yogibear1975]

Yogi, GTF :grr::grr:

You can't manage a team at all, when everything goes wrong you've no back up plan whatsover.

The player's clearly think their to good for this club. Playing for the money rather than the fan's

**** the new stand, My season tickets going back :grr::grr:









:greengrin

You need to **** right of mate, its only a bloody friendly and the dutch team are ahead of us in term of fitness and game time...

why dont you jump ship and support the yams as i think a fan like you would fit in very well with them.:grr:

[bingo70]

You need to **** right of mate, its only a bloody friendly and the dutch team are ahead of us in term of fitness and game time...

why dont you jump ship and support the yams as i think a fan like you would fit in very well with them.:grr:

I think he was joking :wink:

[seanraff07]

You need to **** right of mate, its only a bloody friendly and the dutch team are ahead of us in term of fitness and game time...

why dont you jump ship and support the yams as i think a fan like you would fit in very well with them.:grr:

:greengrin

[Onceinawhile]

Woooooooooooooooosh

[Keith_M]

You need to **** right of mate, its only a bloody friendly and the dutch team are ahead of us in term of fitness and game time...

why dont you jump ship and support the yams as i think a fan like you would fit in very well with them.:grr:

Ehm, are you being serious? Or do you just have so bad eyesight you didn't see the smiley at the bottom? :dunno:

[Amsterdam]

You need to **** right of mate, its only a bloody friendly and the dutch team are ahead of us in term of fitness and game time...

why dont you jump ship and support the yams as i think a fan like you would fit in very well with them.:grr:

should you not be on the touchline yogi, instead of the interweb.
try reading the smiley at the end of his post, doh!

[SaulGoodman]

You need to **** right of mate, its only a bloody friendly and the dutch team are ahead of us in term of fitness and game time...

why dont you jump ship and support the yams as i think a fan like you would fit in very well with them.:grr:
It's a joke mate :greengrin

I know very well it's a friendly.

[yogibear1975]

I think he was joking :wink:


The thing is i hate fans like him, i can't be arsed with guy's like that at this time of the season when the manager is trying to find his best team and formation etc..

[.Sean.]

It's all Gordon Marshall's fault! :agree:

[blackpoolhibs]

You need to **** right of mate, its only a bloody friendly and the dutch team are ahead of us in term of fitness and game time...

why dont you jump ship and support the yams as i think a fan like you would fit in very well with them.:grr:

Do you need any help getting that great big hook out?:greengrin

[Cabbage East]

Heracles
heracles
heracles

[SaulGoodman]

The thing is i hate fans like him, i can't be arsed with guy's like that at this time of the season when the manager is trying to find his best team and formation etc..
Please tell me you're taking the piss now :confused:

[Amsterdam]

The thing is i hate fans like him, i can't be arsed with guy's like that at this time of the season when the manager is trying to find his best team and formation etc..

think you better get a sense of humour transplant or thicker skin then, cause thats what its like on here, ok dokey yogi

[bingo70]

The thing is i hate fans like him, i can't be arsed with guy's like that at this time of the season when the manager is trying to find his best team and formation etc..

His post was taking the piss out of people like that so you actually probably quite like fans like him :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

The thing is i hate fans like him, i can't be arsed with guy's like that at this time of the season when the manager is trying to find his best team and formation etc..

Stop digging. :faf:

[nonshinyfinish]

9th at the moment, with a decent goal average.
http://www.soccerway.com/national/netherlands/eredivisie/2010-2011/regular-season/

0 is the worst possible goal average. :wink:

[frazeHFC]

It's a joke mate :greengrin

I know very well it's a friendly.


I thought it was our Europa League tie? :confused:



I'll take the window instead of the door.....

[Mikey]

Any chance we can calm down folks.

And those who think they're funny may want to review their sense of humour :wink:

[SaulGoodman]

I thought it was our Europa League tie? :confused:



I'll take the window instead of the door.....
I hope it's not our Europa League tie :agree:

[Diclonius]

Sure thing.

I think we will win the Champions League. And the World Cup 2014. And World War 3. :wink:

[blackpoolhibs]

Any chance we can calm down folks.

And those who think they're funny may want to review their sense of humour :wink:

Well i have had enough, i'm off out to get blootered. Perhaps the result wont seem so bad in the morning. I was getting blootered anyway. :greengrin We will win 3-2.

[hibeemad]

The thing is i hate fans like him, i can't be arsed with guy's like that at this time of the season when the manager is trying to find his best team and formation etc..

Get a Grip

[Amsterdam]

Sure thing.

I think we will win the Champions League. And the World Cup 2014. And World War 3. :wink:

surely the sparryheids will reform Macraes Battalion for the winning of WW3, but agree with the others

[Hibs90]

Sure thing.

I think we will win the Champions League. And the World Cup 2014. And World War 3. :wink:

Nah the yams will have WW3 and 4 sewn up before they've even started.

[Amsterdam]

Nah the yams will have WW3 and 4 sewn up before they've even started.

oh Jebus, im on the same wavelength as Meeko, ahm doomed:devil:

[CRAZYHIBBY]

absolute joke , we should win every game no matter what. Yogi must go:grr:

[seanraff07]

They've corrected the line-up, Stokes is playing..

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20100716/heracles-2-hibernian-0_2262950_2094409

[SaulGoodman]

Nah the yams will have WW3 and 4 sewn up before they've even started.
Not to mention returning home to their brand new £51 million mega stand with a 5 star hotel built into it :thumbsup:

Edit: According to the Official Website. A lapse at the back for the first goal and the second goal was a set piece.

Good old Hibs :thumbsup:

Hopefully this will get us in the right state of mind for the Europa legue game

[Barney McGrew]

3-0 now

[Chuckie]

We're going down...

[Barney McGrew]

Very poor tonight by all accounts.

Playing Stokes up front on his own.

[hibs0666]

3-0 now

Sounds like a tonking.

[SaulGoodman]

The're pretty ahead of us in fitness mind you. Not to mention being a pretty solid dutch team. Not to worry, We'll hammer Ado den Hag :agree:

[Barney McGrew]

its only 2:grr::grr:

Not according to someone who's at the game it's not

Mind you, if they've been on the bevvy all day ..............:greengrin

[At The Edge]

Sounds like a tonking.
:agree:

[Sergey]

The're pretty ahead of us in fitness mind you. Not to mention being a pretty solid dutch team. Not to worry, We'll hammer Ado den Hag :agree:

Given that the squad only travelled out yesterday, they probably just need a little more time to acclimatise.

[KdyHby]

Given that the squad only travelled out yesterday, they probably just need a little more time to acclimatise.

Not enough time to get used to the altitude.....

[Sergey]

Not enough time to get used to the altitude.....

...Jet-lag...

[xyz23jc]

Yeh...especially with the altitude in the netherlands! :greengrin:devil:

[Rory89]

The ball's too light, moving around like a mad *******.

What we need is goal-line technology.

[At The Edge]

Given that the squad only travelled out yesterday, they probably just need a little more time to acclimatise.

Probably still getting used to the bongs, rather than the cooncil soap bar they're used to back home!:faf:

[Cabbage1875]

Ouch.

Not the best idea to read too much into pre season games, but losing 3-0 at any point is never ideal.

Any idea how the team shaped up?

[hibs0666]

Ah well, can only get better...

[Chuckie]

Yogi must go.

[xyz23jc]

Exchange Rate


The ball's too light, moving around like a mad *******.

What we need is goal-line technology.


Probably still getting used to the bongs, rather than the cooncil soap bar they're used to back home!:faf:


:greengrin:thumbsup::faf::top marksKwality! Dulls the pain o' the result!

[hibsboy90]

Pre season is more about fitness, and testing possible systems. Maybe today was trying a 4-5-1 with Stokes leading the line.

Newcastle got pumped 7-0 by Leyton Orient last pre season, look at the season they had.

[SaulGoodman]

Pre season is more about fitness, and testing possible systems. Maybe today was trying a 4-5-1 with Stokes leading the line.

Newcastle got pumped 7-0 by Leyton Orient last pre season, look at the season they had.
Exactly. As long as Yogi stays away from whatever tactic he used tonight when the season starts we'll be fine. It's all about finding the right tactic.

[Chuckie]

Stokes must go.

[silverhibee]

Shape up or ship out Yogi. :wink:

[Cabbage East]

Unnacceptable.

Bad result and a cheapo stand. What next?

[Rory89]

:greengrin:thumbsup::faf::top marksKwality! Dulls the pain o' the result!

"Pain of the result". :confused:

It means **** all mate, don't worry it's ony pre season. Did you get the good china out and invite everyone round after the Dunfermline and QOS games?

[Westie1875]

See what happens when Deeks not in the squad, don't you dare get rid of him Petrie! :grr: :greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

Good job that humble pie is in the freezer!:greengrin

[down the slope]

pussy cats away from home as usual.

[Bostonhibby]

Sure thing.

I think we will win the Champions League. And the World Cup 2014. And World War 3. :wink:

:bitchy: Too late Yammish are already bidding for that one to go with their win in WW1 and they have got a memorial designed into the Supermegahotelstadium planning application as well.

Are there maybe any minor skirmishes in the offing that we could single handedly claim / win and then have our own ceremonies for?:wink:

[basehibby]

Huge wake up call for anyone getting too carried away by the 4-0 gubbings of our 1st div neighbours - also for the players re the sort of challenge that awaits on the continent. Early doors though - fitness etc being the main priority. Hope to see more positive results from this tour yet though!

Anyone any idea of team lineups etc by the way???

[WindyMiller]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/20100716/heracles-2-hibernian-0_2262950_2094409


Seems a bit unfair to be playing Heracles and Everton, FFS.

:grr:

[down-the-slope]

good to get the wind out the sails.....don't want the players getting complacent..

I couldn't care less about the results..its about fitness / team shape / giving players game time...i'd rather the mistakes and learning was done when nothing at stake

remember when we won previous games Yogi said QOS were better team until we scored...and that there were 'some' good performances...so he was saying there was work to do...

we will be well prepared come start of the real action

[Dashing Bob S]

I'm taking the advice of one of the posters and switching to Hearts. I want to be part of a world war winning outfit. I won't be jumping ship though as there's one of these on the Hibs crest and I don't want to be associated with you Hobos in any way shape or form.

[Steve-O]

Piss poor.

Farmer OUT! :grr:

[mjhibby]

Silly question but why did yogi play the hardest game of the tour first and also with only half a team who we would expect to play in the europa games.The other 3 teams we play on tour look far weaker from their league positions from last season.I would have thought it better to start from the bottom up and as fitness improved play the better teams last.Just a thought.

[Baldy]

players trained hard yesterday morning and then played ... actually no they didn't play they just sauntered around a football pitch last night .. it was embarrassing and yes they were a better team.

However as a veteran of many preseason jaunts around europe I can accept us losing preseason games to better teams and fitter teams etc etc .. what I can not accept was the attitude of some players last night who quite clearly could not be ersed.

also the formation with one up front does not work, the heracles fans were telling us de Graff was one of the best players in Holland last night and to use their words "he should play in the middle he can run 3 marathons in one game but he is looking lost today"

also we did not test their keeper once, 2 saves all game and well I call them saves but they were not hard, just stood there and caught the ball twice

[Baldy]

They've corrected the line-up, Stokes is playing..


not sure about that .. he was on the park anyway but Playing .... :rolleyes:

as for McBride I genuinely did not realise he was still on the park until about 75 mins.

[skipster7]

players trained hard yesterday morning and then played ... actually no they didn't play they just sauntered around a football pitch last night .. it was embarrassing and yes they were a better team.

However as a veteran of many preseason jaunts around europe I can accept us losing preseason games to better teams and fitter teams etc etc .. what I can not accept was the attitude of some players last night who quite clearly could not be ersed.

also the formation with one up front does not work, the heracles fans were telling us de Graff was one of the best players in Holland last night and to use their words "he should play in the middle he can run 3 marathons in one game but he is looking lost today"

also we did not test their keeper once, 2 saves all game and well I call them saves but they were not hard, just stood there and caught the ball twice

i hear sean welsh got a bad knee injury in training and is having to have injections to get the swelling down so the laddie can fly home.shame for the boy as it looked like this could be his breakthrough season:boo hoo:

[blackpoolhibs]

Well i wisnae there, but i thought they were ****in brilliant.