Broken Britain

[da-robster]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100715/tuk-crime-at-lowest-level-for-nearly-30-dba1618.html

[CropleyWasGod]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100715/tuk-crime-at-lowest-level-for-nearly-30-dba1618.html

shhh.... don't tell the Daily Mail....

[Leicester Fan]

With the fall in unemployment as well yesterday it's good to see that the coalitions policies are working already.

Stands back and awaits response :D

[CropleyWasGod]

With the fall in unemployment as well yesterday it's good to see that the coalitions policies are working already.

Stands back and awaits response :D

"The figures indicate that crime has plummeted by 43 per cent during Labour's 13 years in power."

:wink:

[Woody1985]

"The figures indicate that crime has plummeted by 43 per cent during Labour's 13 years in power."

:wink:

Hmmm, I wonder if these 'stats' are similar to the stats that the local GP's produce for seeing 90%+(or similiar) of patients within 24 hours.

Yes, those same GPs that you call up and if there are no appointments available you need to call the following day and you're not allowed to book a couple of days in advance (unless you put on an angry voice and tell them that you have work to go to and can't just tell the boss that you might be off first thing in the morning). That way you can be recorded as being seen on that same day because technically you have. Liberton operates this and it's not a local issue because IIRC it was raised on Question Time at one point from the audience.

Was there also not an article from police in the last year or so that stated their new method for recording stats was more complex and misleading?

[Phil D. Rolls]

With the fall in unemployment as well yesterday it's good to see that the coalitions policies are working already.

Stands back and awaits response :D

It went up in Scotland - will this do?

[bighairyfaeleith]

It went up in Scotland - will this do?

no thats labours fault because they spent all the money blah blah bla :greengrin

[GhostofBolivar]

Lies, damned lies and statistics?

[Beefster]

It went up in Scotland - will this do?

Aren't the SNP in charge of Scotland's law and order?

[Leicester Fan]

Aren't the SNP in charge of Scotland's law and order?
Only when things improve.When things gowrong it's still Thatcher to blame.

[marinello59]

Aren't the SNP in charge of Scotland's law and order?

The SNP are only in charge of popular things. Anything else is down to the penny pinching Westminster Government.

[Woody1985]

Hmmm, I wonder if these 'stats' are similar to the stats that the local GP's produce for seeing 90%+(or similiar) of patients within 24 hours.

Yes, those same GPs that you call up and if there are no appointments available you need to call the following day and you're not allowed to book a couple of days in advance (unless you put on an angry voice and tell them that you have work to go to and can't just tell the boss that you might be off first thing in the morning). That way you can be recorded as being seen on that same day because technically you have. Liberton operates this and it's not a local issue because IIRC it was raised on Question Time at one point from the audience.

Was there also not an article from police in the last year or so that stated their new method for recording stats was more complex and misleading?

Sorry for quoting my own post but I believe this was raised on QT last night but I didn't see/hear the whole conversation. Anyone expand on what was said.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Only when things improve.When things gowrong it's still Thatcher to blame.

Yes, when I am warm it is due to the sun, when I am cold it is due to the wind and rain.

[Leicester Fan]

Yes, when I am warm it is due to the sun, when I am cold it is due to the wind and rain.

Unless there's a drought.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Unless there's a drought.

That's when people get so desperate they send for the Rainmakers.

[The Silver Fox]

It's not how much Labour spent on services, welfare etc. It is the amount they spent to bail out finacial institutions, borrowing massively. Basically there was no option or the country would have been bankrupt with a currency worth nothing at all.

All the political parties would have done exactly the same, in fact Cameron said so prior to the election before the campaign fully kicked in.

[Leicester Fan]

It's not how much Labour spent on services, welfare etc. It is the amount they spent to bail out finacial institutions, borrowing massively. Basically there was no option or the country would have been bankrupt with a currency worth nothing at all.

All the political parties would have done exactly the same, in fact Cameron said so prior to the election before the campaign fully kicked in.

We have a structural deficit of around £150 billion a year, that is what we spend over what revenue coming in. That's now, 2 years after the banks were bailed out. We were spending more than we earnt at the height of the boom leaving nothing for a rainy day.

Anyway you spin it Labour ******ed it up.

[Darth Hibbie]

Sorry for quoting my own post but I believe this was raised on QT last night but I didn't see/hear the whole conversation. Anyone expand on what was said.

Did not see it but I assume what you are referring to is the introduction of the Scottish Crime Recording Standard which has changed the way crimes are recorded by the police resulting in a statistical increase in crimes rather than an actual increase if that makes any sense.

[SHODAN]

shhh.... don't tell the Daily Mail....

Nah, don't worry. They'll probably make out that it only went down when immigrants were the victims (henceforth proving our "undeserving tolerance" of them) and for decent, white middle class purebred British™ citizens it actually went up. :agree:

[bighairyfaeleith]

We have a structural deficit of around £150 billion a year, that is what we spend over what revenue coming in. That's now, 2 years after the banks were bailed out. We were spending more than we earnt at the height of the boom leaving nothing for a rainy day.

Anyway you spin it Labour ******ed it up.

This one line answer is becoming very boring from the condems, labour overspent, it's all there faults and oh yes we're going to cut some more jobs!!

If all they can do is blame someone else then it's not a good sign.

[Leicester Fan]

If all they can do is blame someone else then it's not a good sign.

:confused:Labour were in power for 13 years. Who else is to blame?

Don't tell me. Thatcher?

[bighairyfaeleith]

:confused:Labour were in power for 13 years. Who else is to blame?

Don't tell me. Thatcher?

The problem is why do the tories feel the need to continually blame someone?

Is it because it makes it easier for them to roll out there idealogical ideas?

Schools for example, there is quite a strong argument that the only reason for stopping building the new schools is so they can take the money to do there new academy idea. Nothing to do with the recession etc. So actually the schools could be built if the condems could just see past the end of there own noses!!

It's easy to say it's all labours fault, but the tories backed the spending plans a couple of years ago, they backed bailing out the banks. It is perfectly feasible that with another four years labour could also have reversed the current financial issues, in fact I hold more trust in gordon brown than I do wee tory boy osbourne. But the tories have got in at a time when it's easy to pick holes in the last government and that is all they are doing, as well as giving us guff about big britain that frankly I just don't understand what it means.

The condems should focus on building britain up, not continually talking it down!!!

[RyeSloan]

The problem is why do the tories feel the need to continually blame someone?

Is it because it makes it easier for them to roll out there idealogical ideas?

Schools for example, there is quite a strong argument that the only reason for stopping building the new schools is so they can take the money to do there new academy idea. Nothing to do with the recession etc. So actually the schools could be built if the condems could just see past the end of there own noses!!

It's easy to say it's all labours fault, but the tories backed the spending plans a couple of years ago, they backed bailing out the banks. It is perfectly feasible that with another four years labour could also have reversed the current financial issues, in fact I hold more trust in gordon brown than I do wee tory boy osbourne. But the tories have got in at a time when it's easy to pick holes in the last government and that is all they are doing, as well as giving us guff about big britain that frankly I just don't understand what it means.

The condems should focus on building britain up, not continually talking it down!!!

Osbourne...who knows only time will tell. Don't really trust his smarmy look but I'm happy to see what his policies do before condeming him to the not trustworthy category.

However time has told on Broon and rather interestingly the only period in which he didn't overspend was the period straight after the Labour landslide where they had promised not to break the Tory spending plans already in place. They did that to re-assure a sceptical voting public that Labour could be trusted with the nations finances. Sadly as soon as those shackles were off Broon stepped up the spending and bent and then broke every 'golden' rule he himself had set.

Sure it's easy to point and say 'they did it' and then blame every unpopular change on the last govermentand it's true that this is and will be over used but there is still no getting away from the fact that Broon overspent and then overspent some more and it is his lack of thrift and thought for the rainy day that has resulted in the pain to come being quite so painful and for quite so long.

[bighairyfaeleith]

Osbourne...who knows only time will tell. Don't really trust his smarmy look but I'm happy to see what his policies do before condeming him to the not trustworthy category.

However time has told on Broon and rather interestingly the only period in which he didn't overspend was the period straight after the Labour landslide where they had promised not to break the Tory spending plans already in place. They did that to re-assure a sceptical voting public that Labour could be trusted with the nations finances. Sadly as soon as those shackles were off Broon stepped up the spending and bent and then broke every 'golden' rule he himself had set.

Sure it's easy to point and say 'they did it' and then blame every unpopular change on the last govermentand it's true that this is and will be over used but there is still no getting away from the fact that Broon overspent and then overspent some more and it is his lack of thrift and thought for the rainy day that has resulted in the pain to come being quite so painful and for quite so long.

Does it actually have to be this tough though, or is simply that it suits the tories idealogical view of the country, so they will use this opportunity to drastically reshape things. I don't believe for one second that there is not another way!

Remember the tories agreed to all the spending plans a couple of years ago, labour also had big cuts planned before the election. The tories are not actually cutting that much more in terms of money, but it's a hell of a lot in terms of jobs and growth in this country.

Time will tell if I'm right, but I reckon one way or another we will know within 12 months!!

I just hope I'm wrong

[RyeSloan]

Does it actually have to be this tough though, or is simply that it suits the tories idealogical view of the country, so they will use this opportunity to drastically reshape things. I don't believe for one second that there is not another way!

Remember the tories agreed to all the spending plans a couple of years ago, labour also had big cuts planned before the election. The tories are not actually cutting that much more in terms of money, but it's a hell of a lot in terms of jobs and growth in this country.

Time will tell if I'm right, but I reckon one way or another we will know within 12 months!!

I just hope I'm wrong

Yup the only thing for certain is I don't think anyone knows for certain quite what the correct balance is!!

Personally I think the quicker we can cut out the structural deficit the better and being (reasonably) honest about the size of it is probably a good start. I really think Labour were not honest with the reduction in spending that was required when in office and neither were any of the parties during the election.
I think whoever took office would have had to cut more than Labours figures and although there is risks associated with this I think those risks are less than a lack of action and an assumption that we could continue government overspend until we were somehow recession proof or at a point in time where they would not hurt as this time would never have came....a significant sovereign debt crisis is much likely to come sooner than that nirvana moment of painless cuts if we were to head down that path I would say!