McEwan Fraser

[Borders Hibby]

Has anyone used the services of our shirt sponsor and are they any good. Would the fact that they sponsor us sway your business. Looking to sell my flat and have a sore heid trying to compare estate agents!!!:confused:

[Andy74]

Has anyone used the services of our shirt sponsor and are they any good. Would the fact that they sponsor us sway your business. Looking to sell my flat and have a sore heid trying to compare estate agents!!!:confused:

I thought they were more in the business of taking advantage of people in trouble who needed to sell quickly.

Don't they basically pay under the going rate off market and then sell the thing themselves under no time pressure fr a profit?

[EskbankHibby]

I thought they were more in the business of taking advantage of people in trouble who needed to sell quickly.

Don't they basically pay under the going rate off market and then sell the thing themselves under no time pressure fr a profit?

:agree:

Would make sense, they are a business after all.

The OP takes a hit financially for a quick sale, depends on your circumstances i suppose but it must suit some people.:dunno:

[1875 NO 1]

I thought they were more in the business of taking advantage of people in trouble who needed to sell quickly.

Don't they basically pay under the going rate off market and then sell the thing themselves under no time pressure fr a profit?

taking advantage of people? How is that done? Do they force people to sell?

[1875 NO 1]

Has anyone used the services of our shirt sponsor and are they any good. Would the fact that they sponsor us sway your business. Looking to sell my flat and have a sore heid trying to compare estate agents!!!:confused:

they also offer a solicitor / estate agents service under the banner McEwan Fraser Legal

[Beefster]

taking advantage of people? How is that done? Do they force people to sell?

Some would view it as preying on desperate people - guaranteed quick sale of home but at somewhere around 75% of the market value.

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taking advantage of people? How is that done? Do they force people to sell?

:agree: And hands up who is taking the risk.


Some would view it as preying on desperate people - guaranteed quick sale of home but at somewhere around 75% of the market value.

If you need a quick sale for whatever reason then at least you have a guaranteed timeline and £value. You might not get what you want for your property but holding onto it may actually cost you more in the long run depending on your circumstances.

[Killiehibbie]

Instead of lining the pockets of these parasites first try selling it yourself at 80 or 90% of market value.

[villager]

Some would view it as preying on desperate people - guaranteed quick sale of home but at somewhere around 75% of the market value.

another point of view could be it is helping people in desperate circumstances - guaranteed sale quick sale of home when no one else is buying.

the seller is responsible for their circumcumstances, a company like mcewan fraser can offer a solution where none exists.

[SlickShoes]

I have tried to use them but they offer they made me wasnt viable for myself.

They were very fast to respond and they gave me a no nonsense up front offer for my flat as well as an offer of other services they provide.

Your going to get nowhere near the value of your flat, for an example if a flat is valued at 110k your looking at an offer from them of 80-85k MAXIMUM realistically its probably less now.

Because the market is horrific just now companies like this can pick up flats for much less than anyone else due to picking up flats that people can no longer afford. This means people in the first time buyer range cant sell unless its massively under any sort of affordable price for the seller.

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Instead of lining the pockets of these parasites first try selling it yourself at 80 or 90% of market value.

Parasites is a bit strong :bitchy:

It's a free market economy. They have to balance risk against return. Basic economics coming into play here. I want to sell something quick then I need to lower the price, if nobody buys wants to buy then what? If the property market was buoyant all the time then there would be no great demand for businesses like McEwan Fraser. That's not reality though is it.

[Killiehibbie]

Parasites is a bit strong :bitchy:

It's a free market economy. They have to balance risk against return. Basic economics coming into play here. I want to sell something quick then I need to lower the price, if nobody buys wants to buy then what? If the property market was buoyant all the time then there would be no great demand for businesses like McEwan Fraser. That's not reality though is it.

I don't think it is a bit strong. I'd put them on a par with loan sharks preying on the needy.

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I don't think it is a bit strong. I'd put them on a par with loan sharks preying on the needy.

Not a valid comparison. McEwan Fraser are a legitimate business working within the law and goverened by the relative regulatory bodies for their business activities. Your back street loan shark with a few heavys and a baseball bat doesn't.

[cappoquinboy]

Borders Hibby,

Feel free to give me a call on our main office number (0131 523 1540) and I will be happy to chat through the options available to you when using our group to sell a property.

Killiehibs, thanks for the glowing reference, perhaps you would allow me to add it to the many other testimonials and references on our website from scores of satisfied clients. Alternatively, perhaps you too might want to give me call so that I can more fully explain our business model to you and where it significantly differs from people's perception.

Scott Fraser

[Jack]

I never liked these companies for the reasons other people have said and was somewhat disappointed Hibs took them on as a sponsor.

Things I’ve heard about McEwan Fraser specifically have done nothing to enhance their reputation or that of the business they work in.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

Has anyone used the services of our shirt sponsor and are they any good. Would the fact that they sponsor us sway your business. Looking to sell my flat and have a sore heid trying to compare estate agents!!!:confused:

My mate at work used to work for them.

To sum up what he said.

CONMEN.

Do not trust is his advice.

[Gingertosser]

They do offer different services, if the 21 day sale doesn't suit you, there is always the traditional way.

Have a look at page 2 of any programme from last season, or alternatively, go strait to the horse and let him explain.

[Sergey]

Borders Hibby,

Feel free to give me a call on our main office number (0131 523 1540) and I will be happy to chat through the options available to you when using our group to sell a property.

Killiehibs, thanks for the glowing reference, perhaps you would allow me to add it to the many other testimonials and references on our website from scores of satisfied clients. Alternatively, perhaps you too might want to give me call so that I can more fully explain our business model to you and where it significantly differs from people's perception.

Scott Fraser

I think it's time for the site to renegotiate our banner advertising rates, now that you've had a qualified enquiry, Scott :greengrin

[Frazerbob]

Borders Hibby,

Feel free to give me a call on our main office number (0131 523 1540) and I will be happy to chat through the options available to you when using our group to sell a property.

Killiehibs, thanks for the glowing reference, perhaps you would allow me to add it to the many other testimonials and references on our website from scores of satisfied clients. Alternatively, perhaps you too might want to give me call so that I can more fully explain our business model to you and where it significantly differs from people's perception.

Scott Fraser

Haha....don't think anyone expected you to come along!

The issue you have is, rightly or wrongly, the perception by many is that companies such as yours are as Killiehibs describes. I don't know enough about your company or sector in general to express an opinion but I'm pretty sure Killiehibs is not alone in his views.

[Borders Hibby]

Borders Hibby,

Feel free to give me a call on our main office number (0131 523 1540) and I will be happy to chat through the options available to you when using our group to sell a property.

Killiehibs, thanks for the glowing reference, perhaps you would allow me to add it to the many other testimonials and references on our website from scores of satisfied clients. Alternatively, perhaps you too might want to give me call so that I can more fully explain our business model to you and where it significantly differs from people's perception.

Scott Fraser

Thanks Scott, I already have and am awaiting a quote for your services through email.

[Peevemor]

Borders Hibby,

Feel free to give me a call on our main office number (0131 523 1540) and I will be happy to chat through the options available to you when using our group to sell a property.

Killiehibs, thanks for the glowing reference, perhaps you would allow me to add it to the many other testimonials and references on our website from scores of satisfied clients. Alternatively, perhaps you too might want to give me call so that I can more fully explain our business model to you and where it significantly differs from people's perception.

Scott Fraser

:thumbsup:

Ding ding! :take that

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Ive only ever seen one for sale sign with their name on it. You wonder how they make cash!:confused:

[steviecarnie]

Ive only ever seen one for sale sign with their name on it. You wonder how they make cash!:confused:

as it says on their website "off market"

[jgl07]

Ive only ever seen one for sale sign with their name on it. You wonder how they make cash!:confused:
Presumably they move on properties to other owners.

You could always try UKIOS Bankas?

[SlickShoes]

I dont honestly think this is a service that anyone who is not desperate to move will use. But many people are desperate to move and need the money fast, this is where a company like this comes in to help.

Yes they are helping themselves too but if someone needs to shift a place fast there are not many others who will take it in the current climate.

Like everything in the property market just now its normal folk who bought houses and flats 4 years ago that are stuck with prices plummeting and no first time buyers now, our options are simply to wait it out or to sell to someone like this.

If i could have aceepted 30 grand less than i paid for a flat then id have sold it to them but realistically doing that i would be making a huge loss and i would not be able to afford to buy again until i save up another deposit and it was hard enough getting one together 4 years ago.

I have chose to leave my place up for sale and rent in the mean time but im sure there are people out there who need to move fast.

[GreenPJ]

I thought they were more in the business of taking advantage of people in trouble who needed to sell quickly.

Don't they basically pay under the going rate off market and then sell the thing themselves under no time pressure fr a profit?

Some people would call it a service that in the current climate is important to some people and if they have the cash reserves that allow them to be under no pressure to sell within a short time period then maybe they should be putting in an offer for the club rather than being sponsor.

[Alan62]

Comparing McEwan Fraser to loan sharks is a wee bit irresponsible and actually points at a serious gap in the poster's understanding of the housing market specifically and economics in general. No wonder our friends over the road think we're peg-selling hobos when some of our number are making big sweeping statements like that.

McEwan Fraser is a commercial enterprise so it must make a margin of profit in order to survive and prosper. Therefore it stands to reason that they absolutely have to offer less than market value for any property that they take onto their books. They also have to price in risk (that they will not be able to realise a return on their investment should they be unable to secure a buyer at a higher price) and, I am sure, a number of other factors.

You need also to take into account that any house valuation is just an opinion based on a comparison with similar properties in any local market. There are no absolutes in the property market and the actual value at any one point in time is the actual price that someone is willing to pay. In the current very slow housing market, the lack of supply of money and general economic uncertainty has had a profound effect and there are very few buyers in the market. That pushes prices down and for some people, the only realistic hope of any sale at all could be through an organisation like McEwan Fraser. Whether you like it or not, if their offer was the only offer and there was no prospect of any other offer then that would be the market value of that property at that point in time.

Having said all that, personally, I'm not sure about MF as a sponsor of Hibernian FC. Although I'm not a great fan of football team sponsorship as a marketing medium, assuming we have to have a sponsor, I'd rather have a global brand on the front of our shirts. :cool2:

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Having said all that, personally, I'm not sure about MF as a sponsor of Hibernian FC. Although I'm not a great fan of football team sponsorship as a marketing medium, assuming we have to have a sponsor, I'd rather have a global brand on the front of our shirts. :cool2:

I know what I'd prefer

Hibs Class
http://www.lisburn.com/Databases/images/mcewan-fraser.jpg


Hearts Class
http://www.ub.lt/i/logo.ub.print.gif

[Geo_1875]

I don't have a problem with these companies. My sympathy does go out to people who through no fault of their own find themselves in the position of losing large sums of money and their home. However I have no sympathy for the "parasites" who gladly joined the credit culture with the sole intention of making money from inflated property values and find themselves on **** Street.

[IWasThere2016]

I don't think it is fair to criticise unless you've used the service.

Many will have used MF - and like firms - without being 'desperate' .. sometimes a quick sale suits for other reasons eg another opportunity, separation, relocation, emigration etc etc.

Too many too quick to pass judgement on here tbh.

[Jack]

Borders Hibby,

Feel free to give me a call on our main office number (0131 523 1540) and I will be happy to chat through the options available to you when using our group to sell a property.

Killiehibs, thanks for the glowing reference, perhaps you would allow me to add it to the many other testimonials and references on our website from scores of satisfied clients. Alternatively, perhaps you too might want to give me call so that I can more fully explain our business model to you and where it significantly differs from people's perception.

Scott Fraser

You know, as soon as McEwan Fraser were announced as our sponsor I knew there would eventually be a thread like this, I’m just surprised it took this long ... or did I miss it?

Full marks for coming on here and defending your corner.

[Borders Hibby]

You know, as soon as McEwan Fraser were announced as our sponsor I knew there would eventually be a thread like this, I’m just surprised it took this long ... or did I miss it?

Full marks for coming on here and defending your corner.

Interesting that the thread was moved as surely our sponsors are directly involved in Hibs activities. I am not advertising them but thought the debate was worth having as I find myself in contact with them. Admins seem happy enough to take the sponsor money, so why not allow the debate? Or lets move anything to do with clubs finances.

[Killiehibbie]

Borders Hibby,

Feel free to give me a call on our main office number (0131 523 1540) and I will be happy to chat through the options available to you when using our group to sell a property.

Killiehibs, thanks for the glowing reference, perhaps you would allow me to add it to the many other testimonials and references on our website from scores of satisfied clients. Alternatively, perhaps you too might want to give me call so that I can more fully explain our business model to you and where it significantly differs from people's perception.

Scott FraserFeel free to post my comment on your website.

[MSK]

Interesting that the thread was moved as surely our sponsors are directly involved in Hibs activities. I am not advertising them but thought the debate was worth having as I find myself in contact with them. Admins seem happy enough to take the sponsor money, so why not allow the debate? Or lets move anything to do with clubs finances.Who said you are not allowed to debate ?..this is a forum as much as the main forum, debate away ..however you are not discussing nor debating football, nor are you discussing or debating hibs finances therefore i have moved it to the appropriate forum..

[Borders Hibby]

Who said you are not allowed to debate ?..this is a forum as much as the main forum, debate away ..however you are not discussing nor debating football, nor are you discussing or debating hibs finances therefore i have moved it to the appropriate forum..

Interesting. They pay money to Hibs, Hibs are my team how is this not to do with Hibs finances. Do you also move any thread to do with Hearts sponsor? If they are as bad as the reaction says surely it effects Hibs directly. If you moved everything that was not football related lets get rid of everything to do with the taxman, hearts finances and betting.

[Borders Hibby]

Interesting. They pay money to Hibs, Hibs are my team how is this not to do with Hibs finances. Do you also move any thread to do with Hearts sponsor? If they are as bad as the reaction says surely it effects Hibs directly. If you moved everything that was not football related lets get rid of everything to do with the taxman, hearts finances and betting.

Mondays betting, Tuesdays betting, PBS naming rights and Money Laundering should surely be moved under your rules. Perhaps a conflict of interest not allowing open debate.

[MSK]

Interesting. They pay money to Hibs, Hibs are my team how is this not to do with Hibs finances. Do you also move any thread to do with Hearts sponsor? If they are as bad as the reaction says surely it effects Hibs directly. If you moved everything that was not football related lets get rid of everything to do with the taxman, hearts finances and betting.Now your just rambling on :yawn:...the thread is about McEwan Fraser & in particular "property" ..houses ..flats..prices ...etc etc etc therefore (as ive previously mentioned) its been moved here so you can discuss McEwan Fraser property ..houses ..flats...prices ..etc etc etc ..

[MSK]

Mondays betting, Tuesdays betting, PBS naming rights and Money Laundering should surely be moved under your rules. Perhaps a conflict of interest not allowing open debate.Listen mate ..im getting rather pissed off with this !!! you think you can do a better job as Admin then crack on !!!..you obviously have a problem reading or accepting my posts ..i didnt move the thread for the sake of it i moved it for reasons explained above ..

[Borders Hibby]

Now your just rambling on :yawn:...the thread is about McEwan Fraser & in particular "property" ..houses ..flats..prices ...etc etc etc therefore (as ive previously mentioned) its been moved here so you can discuss McEwan Fraser property ..houses ..flats...prices ..etc etc etc ..

No need for abuse, the debate was more than that if you had read the whole thread, it was more to do with business ethics and the effect on the image of Hibs. The other threads I mentioned have the same theme and I am not a fan of betting, but then I am not imposing my will on others. With power comes responsibility. What a clever chappy you are with your slurs and clever smilies.

[RyeSloan]

No need for abuse, the debate was more than that if you had read the whole thread, it was more to do with business ethics and the effect on the image of Hibs. The other threads I mentioned have the same theme and I am not a fan of betting, but then I am not imposing my will on others. With power comes responsibility. What a clever chappy you are with your slurs and clever smilies.

Abuse...slurs....oh stop the melodrama please!!!

The thread has been moved, not closed or deleted so how you can say it is sifling debate is beyond me.

Reading the thread fresh I auto assumed it was a Holy Ground originated thread so was suprised to see it had been moved fromthe main forum, so for me at least the Admin made the right call here.

Oh and as for McEwan Fraser.....they provide a specific service for people who want or need to use them. Yup they make money out of it but I don't really see why people would call them parasites etc. Housing out of all the commodities available to man is one of the most affected by supply and demand so there is definately a market (and a NEED!) for such a firm and it's no surprise then that they have prospered.

As another poster stated they are also providing 'normal' estate agent syle offering thorugh their McEwan Fraser Legal arm so they seem to have an offerign for most people in the market, sounds quite a sensible ploy to me and again as another poster stated they are operating well within the law and regulations so let them be I would say!!

[Killiehibbie]

Not a valid comparison. McEwan Fraser are a legitimate business working within the law and goverened by the relative regulatory bodies for their business activities. Your back street loan shark with a few heavys and a baseball bat doesn't.Not all loan sharks operate illegally. Some of those credit companies are one step removed from the back street operators with interest rates marginally lower.

[MSK]

No need for abuse, the debate was more than that if you had read the whole thread, it was more to do with business ethics and the effect on the image of Hibs. The other threads I mentioned have the same theme and I am not a fan of betting, but then I am not imposing my will on others. With power comes responsibility. What a clever chappy you are with your slurs and clever smilies.Where is the abuse ..? please ..please show me ...

Business ethics & image of hibs ...please show me ..

Betting ...im not a fan either but thats neither here nor there, it was though discussed by Admins & it was agreed those threads stay put...

Responsibility ...i am one of at least 15 Admins with responsibility, responsible for keeping the forums running & clear of clutter & unwanted threads/posts & at times posters....there is a fair amount of discretion ..we do come & go sometimes..thats fair imo..

Slurs & clever smilies....again where ..?

Now, ive said my bit, in fact ive prob talked myself into a needless & petty arguement so i think its best i leave it at that ..

[Borders Hibby]

Abuse...slurs....oh stop the melodrama please!!!

The thread has been moved, not closed or deleted so how you can say it is sifling debate is beyond me.

Reading the thread fresh I auto assumed it was a Holy Ground originated thread so was suprised to see it had been moved fromthe main forum, so for me at least the Admin made the right call here.

Never used the word stifling, just interested at the opinions of Hibbies as to how they felt about our shirt sponsor. Several posts do say that perhaps its not the best sponsor for Hibs, which I find interesting and directly related to Hibs and not property prices. By moving it this debate has stopped as the admin is making only about house prices.
No melodrama just an opinion.

[H18sry]

Not all loan sharks operate illegally. Some of those credit companies are one step removed from the back street operators with interest rates marginally lower.

What companies are you talking about?

[Borders Hibby]

Where is the abuse ..? please ..please show me ...

Business ethics & image of hibs ...please show me ..

Betting ...im not a fan either but thats neither here nor there, it was though discussed by Admins & it was agreed those threads stay put...

Responsibility ...i am one of at least 15 Admins with responsibility, responsible for keeping the forums running & clear of clutter & unwanted threads/posts & at times posters....there is a fair amount of discretion ..we do come & go sometimes..thats fair imo..

Slurs & clever smilies....again where ..?

Now, ive said my bit, in fact ive prob talked myself into a needless & petty arguement so i think its best i leave it at that ..

So it shouldnt concern Hibs fans if some posters liken our shirt sponsors to loan sharks, and also question the sponsorship for image purposes.

I think if you start a reply by slating the person for rambling it will become a petty squabble. Just asked a civilised question and wanted to make my point, no squabbling here, its your decision just wanted clarification.

[Borders Hibby]

What companies are you talking about?

Most , if you dont pay the balance.

[MSK]

So it shouldnt concern Hibs fans if some posters liken our shirt sponsors to loan sharks, and also question the sponsorship for image purposes.

I think if you start a reply by slating the person for rambling it will become a petty squabble. Just asked a civilised question and wanted to make my point, no squabbling here, its your decision just wanted clarification.McEwan Fraser have been fantastic for hibs.net & their support & loyalty towards hibs.net has been second to none, thats good enough for me.

[RyeSloan]

Never used the word stifling, just interested at the opinions of Hibbies as to how they felt about our shirt sponsor. Several posts do say that perhaps its not the best sponsor for Hibs, which I find interesting and directly related to Hibs and not property prices. By moving it this debate has stopped as the admin is making only about house prices.
No melodrama just an opinion.

True, you stated that the move was not allowing debate....seems the same difference to me.

No melodrama..really? So claiming abuse and slurs was not melodramatic when then only statement that could possibly be aligned to justify such claims was 'rambling'.

To be fair here I think your rather over the top complaints about the move of forum has done much more to kill any debate than a different forum may have!!

[cappoquinboy]

If anyone wishes to contact me in an effort to understand our business model I am available most days in the office on 0131 523 1540.

For the avoidance of doubt, we have two completely independent businesses offering either "private sale" (McEwan Fraser LLP) or regular "on market" Solicitors & Estate Agency service (McEwan Fraser Legal).
No one is forced to sell, we merely give sellers an offer which they are at liberty to accept or not, and our website is absolutely clear and transparent about the pro's and con's of an "off market" sale. Should they decide to go down the standard Estate Agency route we can offer a service which competes with every other Solicitor and Estate Agency practice.

Like a previous poster, I too am surprised that it took quite as long for a thread like this to surface but I am comfortable with it's content and understand why posters on the thread have certain views. Very often views such as those expressed by a few posters on this thread are based on misconception and ignorance of our business activity and again I stress that I am happy to speak with anyone who wishes clarification on our business model at any stage.

Also, I can assure you that the club investigated our suitability as sponsor thoroughly before we concluded our discussions/negotiations and I would hope that if the Board of Directors felt comfortable that we were/are fit and proper sponsors then the vast majority of supporters would feel similar?

Incidentally, our business has been operating for almost 10 years whilst the current financial/economic climate has been with us for the last 2 years. Our business has consistently been succesful and profitable by reacting to current market circumstances, perhaps if bigger and better businesses than ours had done the same, things might not be so bad for a lot of people right now.

Scott Fraser

PS - That number again is 0131 523 1540

[H18sry]

Most , if you dont pay the balance.

So companies should get punished for the loanee not paying a debt that they took out. Strange world that would be

[Borders Hibby]

Listen mate ..im getting rather pissed off with this !!! you think you can do a better job as Admin then crack on !!!..you obviously have a problem reading or accepting my posts ..i didnt move the thread for the sake of it i moved it for reasons explained above ..

No need for bad language. I have no problem with the sponsor and will concede that originally I put the thread in the wrong place. I was just surprised at the reaction of Hibs fans to the company and thought then it could have been left where it was as there is obviously some posters that think the image is not in keeping with Hibernian Football Club and that debate was interesting and directly connected to the football club. If this is rambling, over the top pissing you off then we can agree to disagree.

[Borders Hibby]

So companies should get punished for the loanee not paying a debt that they took out. Strange world that would be

You can pay a minimium amount but then the apr on the balance can be huge. Wasnt talking about defaulting.

[Borders Hibby]

If anyone wishes to contact me in an effort to understand our business model I am available most days in the office on 0131 523 1540.

For the avoidance of doubt, we have two completely independent businesses offering either "private sale" (McEwan Fraser LLP) or regular "on market" Solicitors & Estate Agency service (McEwan Fraser Legal).
No one is forced to sell, we merely give sellers an offer which they are at liberty to accept or not, and our website is absolutely clear and transparent about the pro's and con's of an "off market" sale. Should they decide to go down the standard Estate Agency route we can offer a service which competes with every other Solicitor and Estate Agency practice.

Like a previous poster, I too am surprised that it took quite as long for a thread like this to surface but I am comfortable with it's content and understand why posters on the thread have certain views. Very often views such as those expressed by a few posters on this thread are based on misconception and ignorance of our business activity and again I stress that I am happy to speak with anyone who wishes clarification on our business model at any stage.

Also, I can assure you that the club investigated our suitability as sponsor thoroughly before we concluded our discussions/negotiations and I would hope that if the Board of Directors felt comfortable that we were/are fit and proper sponsors then the vast majority of supporters would feel similar?

Incidentally, our business has been operating for almost 10 years whilst the current financial/economic climate has been with us for the last 2 years. Our business has consistently been succesful and profitable by reacting to current market circumstances, perhaps if bigger and better businesses than ours had done the same, things might not be so bad for a lot of people right now.

Scott Fraser

PS - That number again is 0131 523 1540

Well said Scott.

[MyJo]

It could be worse......they could have a nippy advert like "we buy any car" :grr:

some people really need to get a life (or a financial adviser) if they're so bitter about these kind of companies. :greengrin

[Borders Hibby]

It could be worse......they could have a nippy advert like "we buy any car" :grr:

some people really need to get a life (or a financial adviser) if they're so bitter about these kind of companies. :greengrin

Correct, she has great skills though!:wink:

[BroxburnHibee]

Feel free to post my comment on your website.


Aye much better to have a pop on a website than take the guys offer of a phone call.


Fair play to you Scott for sticking up for your company. Like others I'm surprised it took so long.

Some people only see a negative viewpoint.

[Killiehibbie]

Aye much better to have a pop on a website than take the guys offer of a phone call.


Fair play to you Scott for sticking up for your company. Like others I'm surprised it took so long.

Some people only see a negative viewpoint.
Somebody asked a question I gave an answer and I don't see how phoning somebody and listening to him trying to justify paying vastly under the odds would change my viewpoint.

[BroxburnHibee]

Somebody asked a question I gave an answer and I don't see how phoning somebody and listening to him trying to justify paying vastly under the odds would change my viewpoint.


Somebody asked a genuine enquiry about our teams sponsor and you replied with this...........



Instead of lining the pockets of these parasites first try selling it yourself at 80 or 90% of market value.

Hardly a genuine or helpful response.

Unless you have evidence to back up the 'parasite' remark. :dunno:

You honestly think RP would let a company with a reputation for being 'parasites' near the club?

Personally I don't know how good the company are to deal with but I can promise you this - I've heard Scott talk about his love for Hibs and how proud he is to be the teams sponsor - there is no denying the guy is a Hibs man through & through. I doubt he would put his company in a position where it could possibly damage Hibs.

Thats just my opinion mind. You believe what you want.

[Killiehibbie]

Somebody asked a genuine enquiry about our teams sponsor and you replied with this...........




Hardly a genuine or helpful response.

Unless you have evidence to back up the 'parasite' remark. :dunno:

You honestly think RP would let a company with a reputation for being 'parasites' near the club?

Personally I don't know how good the company are to deal with but I can promise you this - I've heard Scott talk about his love for Hibs and how proud he is to be the teams sponsor - there is no denying the guy is a Hibs man through & through. I doubt he would put his company in a position where it could possibly damage Hibs.

Thats just my opinion mind. You believe what you want.I know of a lot of people who are Hibs through and through that I would not want to have any business dealings with.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I know of a lot of people who are Hibs through and through that I would not want to have any business dealings with.

:agree: Mainly taxi drivers. They're conmen - how can they justify over charging by so much? :confused:

:greengrin

[BroxburnHibee]

I know of a lot of people who are Hibs through and through that I would not want to have any business dealings with.

Would you call them parasites though :wink:

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I know of a lot of people who are Hibs through and through that I would not want to have any business dealings with.

I really am struggling to see where you are going with your posts on this thread.

The OP was looking for personal experiences of using McEwan Fraser services,and if them being club sponsors would sway our views, not your personal view of them as a business, based on what I don't know. And IMO you are posting views that are downright insulting. I am disgusted at some of your comments and I have nothing to do with them.

If you have used McEwan Fraser or even enquired, then feel free to post some facts. If not then give it a rest.

In terms of suitability for a sponsor, I was glad Hibs moved away from alcohol. I didn't particularly like seeing my children walk around advertising whisky, but there again the supply and consumption of alcohol is another legal business and it's up to me as a parent to teach my children about the pros and cons as they grow up.

[Killiehibbie]

:agree: Mainly taxi drivers. They're conmen - how can they justify over charging by so much? :confused:

:greengrinEverybody seems to agree with you, that's why I sold up and only go out and drive somebody elses taxi on a Friday and Saturday. The guy I sold it to was under the impression there was plenty to be made he soon found out otherwise.

[Killiehibbie]

Would you call them parasites though :wink:

Some of them would get called worse than that.

[Sergey]

Somebody asked a question I gave an answer and I don't see how phoning somebody and listening to him trying to justify paying vastly under the odds would change my viewpoint.

Out of curiosity, do you class bookies who have an over-round book of say 120% as parasites?

Your use of the term 'vastly under the odds' isn't representative of your dealings with MF, is it?

I normally respect and read your posts, Killie, but you're wide of the mark on this matter....IMHO.

[ArabHibee]

I know of a lot of people who are Hibs through and through that I would not want to have any business dealings with.
Sounds like you know my ex-husband. :wink:

[Killiehibbie]

Out of curiosity, do you class bookies who have an over-round book of say 120% as parasites?

Your use of the term 'vastly under the odds' isn't representative of your dealings with MF, is it?

I normally respect and read your posts, Killie, but you're wide of the mark on this matter....IMHO.

Bookies try to take every last penny from you and shut you down when you have the audacity to take too much from them. If it was a 5 horse race with 120% yes, if it was 14 runners no.

Not me personally but I know a couple who did.

[Borders Hibby]

McEwan Fraser have been fantastic for hibs.net & their support & loyalty towards hibs.net has been second to none, thats good enough for me.

I agree, just was taken aback by some of the comments made by other posters and wondered if it did need aired on the main board as they are our main shirt sponsors.

[matty_f]

If anyone wishes to contact me in an effort to understand our business model I am available most days in the office on 0131 523 1540.

For the avoidance of doubt, we have two completely independent businesses offering either "private sale" (McEwan Fraser LLP) or regular "on market" Solicitors & Estate Agency service (McEwan Fraser Legal).
No one is forced to sell, we merely give sellers an offer which they are at liberty to accept or not, and our website is absolutely clear and transparent about the pro's and con's of an "off market" sale. Should they decide to go down the standard Estate Agency route we can offer a service which competes with every other Solicitor and Estate Agency practice.

Like a previous poster, I too am surprised that it took quite as long for a thread like this to surface but I am comfortable with it's content and understand why posters on the thread have certain views. Very often views such as those expressed by a few posters on this thread are based on misconception and ignorance of our business activity and again I stress that I am happy to speak with anyone who wishes clarification on our business model at any stage.

Also, I can assure you that the club investigated our suitability as sponsor thoroughly before we concluded our discussions/negotiations and I would hope that if the Board of Directors felt comfortable that we were/are fit and proper sponsors then the vast majority of supporters would feel similar?

Incidentally, our business has been operating for almost 10 years whilst the current financial/economic climate has been with us for the last 2 years. Our business has consistently been succesful and profitable by reacting to current market circumstances, perhaps if bigger and better businesses than ours had done the same, things might not be so bad for a lot of people right now.

Scott Fraser

PS - That number again is 0131 523 1540
:top marks for that post.

FWIW, I know of a few folk who have used your company who had absolutely nothing but good things to say about the process and experience. Certainly none of them felt exploited or that they'd lost out on anything.

As for sponsoring Hibs, I'm delighted that a local company with a Hibs supporter in charge has the opportunity to form a mutually beneficial relationship with the club.

[Jonnyboy]

No need for abuse, the debate was more than that if you had read the whole thread, it was more to do with business ethics and the effect on the image of Hibs. The other threads I mentioned have the same theme and I am not a fan of betting, but then I am not imposing my will on others. With power comes responsibility. What a clever chappy you are with your slurs and clever smilies.

What's your problem BH? The thread is on a Hibs.net board and is attracting debate so I fail to see why it's angered you in being moved

[Borders Hibby]

What's your problem BH? The thread is on a Hibs.net board and is attracting debate so I fail to see why it's angered you in being moved

Thats fair enough and I concede I put it initially in the wrong place. The reason why I thought it should be on the main board was due to the reaction that I got from other posters questioning the sponsorship and the effect that it had on the image of Hibs. I do not agree with these views but thought it was important to have the debate on the main board in the same way we discuss our near neighbours shirt sponsors activities as it does directly effect the football club. No anger just concern for my club.

The only thing that angered me is the reaction you get on here for questioning anything.

[Borders Hibby]

:top marks for that post.

FWIW, I know of a few folk who have used your company who had absolutely nothing but good things to say about the process and experience. Certainly none of them felt exploited or that they'd lost out on anything.

As for sponsoring Hibs, I'm delighted that a local company with a Hibs supporter in charge has the opportunity to form a mutually beneficial relationship with the club.

Totally agree.:thumbsup:

[ArabHibee]

Thats fair enough and I concede I put it initially in the wrong place. The reason why I thought it should be on the main board was due to the reaction that I got from other posters questioning the sponsorship and the effect that it had on the image of Hibs. I do not agree with these views but thought it was important to have the debate on the main board in the same way we discuss our near neighbours shirt sponsors activities as it does directly effect the football club. No anger just concern for my club.

The only thing that angered me is the reaction you get on here for questioning anything.


I'm sorry but you are just making that up. How would you know the reaction you would get until you started the thread? You asked a question about whether anyone had used the shirt sponsors company to sell their property through and you just stuck it on the main board then took umbrage when it was moved to the Holy Ground. You asked if people would use them over another company because they sponsor Hibs, you didn't ask if they were the type of company Hibs should be sponsored by. Completely different question and you didn't ask it I'm afraid.

[Borders Hibby]

I'm sorry but you are just making that up. How would you know the reaction you would get until you started the thread? You asked a question about whether anyone had used the shirt sponsors company to sell their property through and you just stuck it on the main board then took umbrage when it was moved to the Holy Ground. You asked if people would use them over another company because they sponsor Hibs, you didn't ask if they were the type of company Hibs should be sponsored by. Completely different question and you didn't ask it I'm afraid.

Read my first sentence! I understand that I made a mistake by putting it in the wrong place. By the time it was moved the subject had changed and posters were then questioning and the company ethics. At that point it was moved when I thought that the direction the debate had moved in might be better on the main board.

Why attack me when all I asked was a question. I am not trying to be disengenious and have no stake in the company was just concerned by the direction other posters took the debate.

[ArabHibee]

Read my first sentence! I understand that I made a mistake by putting it in the wrong place. By the time it was moved the subject had changed and posters were then questioning and the company ethics. At that point it was moved when I thought that the direction the debate had moved in might be better on the main board.

Why attack me when all I asked was a question. I am not trying to be disengenious and have no stake in the company was just concerned by the direction other posters took the debate.

Attack you? You're a right sensitive wee thing aren't you? Read my whole post. Where am I attacking you?

[Borders Hibby]

Attack you? You're a right sensitive wee thing aren't you? Read my whole post. Where am I attacking you?

You called me a liar, not sensitive, if you did it in conversation I would be just as annoyed.

[ArabHibee]

You called me a liar, not sensitive, if you did it in conversation I would be just as annoyed.

The reason I called you sensitive is that you appear to jump down anyone's throat who dares to question what you are saying. Maybe if I explained my point another way you might understand where I am coming from:

If I had started a thread on the main board about which nightclub was the best nightclub to go to in Edinburgh and by about post 10 there was mention of Hibs players going to that club and various shenanigans that had gone on, I could hardly expect it to stay on the main board, it would be moved to the Dug Out and quite rightly so, as the original point of the thread was about which was the best nightclub in Edinburgh.

So putting that into the context of your thread, you were asking if anyone had used McEwan Fraser's services. Can you see where I'm coming from now?

[Borders Hibby]

The reason I called you sensitive is that you appear to jump down anyone's throat who dares to question what you are saying. Maybe if I explained my point another way you might understand where I am coming from:

If I had started a thread on the main board about which nightclub was the best nightclub to go to in Edinburgh and by about post 10 there was mention of Hibs players going to that club and various shenanigans that had gone on, I could hardly expect it to stay on the main board, it would be moved to the Dug Out and quite rightly so, as the original point of the thread was about which was the best nightclub in Edinburgh.

So putting that into the context of your thread, you were asking if anyone had used McEwan Fraser's services. Can you see where I'm coming from now?

Yes, no problem with that, and I did concede that I had made an original mistake. So far on here I have been accused of rambling, pissing people off and making things up. I didnt jump down anyones throat just suppose needed a bit of clarification. If the rule is it goes with the original post then I am wrong, just to check that under your scenario if 3 Hibs players were seen in the night club the night before a big match and it was mentioned in your thread it wouldnt then be moved to the main board.

[ArabHibee]

Yes, no problem with that, and I did concede that I had made an original mistake. So far on here I have been accused of rambling, pissing people off and making things up. I didnt jump down anyones throat just suppose needed a bit of clarification. If the rule is it goes with the original post then I am wrong, just to check that under your scenario if 3 Hibs players were seen in the night club the night before a big match and it was mentioned in your thread it wouldnt then be moved to the main board.

From the main board, to the Dug Out, then back to the main board?
Pretty sure it would stay in the Dug Out but an admin would have to confirm that for you.

[Borders Hibby]

From the main board, to the Dug Out, then back to the main board?
Pretty sure it would stay in the Dug Out but an admin would have to confirm that for you.

Thanks, thats all I wanted to know.

[ArabHibee]

Thanks, thats all I wanted to know.
You're welcome.:aok:

[greenlex]

Spoke with MF several months ago. Did not use either service as the first was not right fir my circumstances the other I felt the coverage dud not suit my area. Respose from them was professional and promt.

No one is being forced to use their services. They provide a service nothing more nothing less.
I don't think there is any moral issue here.

[IberianHibernian]

Is it possible to buy shirts etc without sponsors names ? When current shirt contract expires , why don`t club think about promoting idea of not having sponsors`name on shirt ? Ironic as we were famous for being first with sponsors on shirt but we might sell more merchandise . I `know I`d have bought more stuff from club in recent years if it had been available without sponsors´ names .

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Is it possible to buy shirts etc without sponsors names ? When current shirt contract expires , why don`t club think about promoting idea of not having sponsors`name on shirt ? Ironic as we were famous for being first with sponsors on shirt but we might sell more merchandise . I `know I`d have bought more stuff from club in recent years if it had been available without sponsors´ names .

You could with childrens tops - seen some without W&M. Rantic did it as well for parents who didn't want Carling on their kids tops

I can understand it with alcohol. But MF - why?

[greenlex]

So he can stick a 20% mark up on it and sell it to some Hibby down the Borders.

[matty_f]

So he can stick a 20% mark up on it and sell it to some Hibby down the Borders.

:tee hee:

[Borders Hibby]

Is it possible to buy shirts etc without sponsors names ? When current shirt contract expires , why don`t club think about promoting idea of not having sponsors`name on shirt ? Ironic as we were famous for being first with sponsors on shirt but we might sell more merchandise . I `know I`d have bought more stuff from club in recent years if it had been available without sponsors´ names .

I had the early 1990's white Adidas away strip with no sponsors name on it, definately looked better! Surely the sponsors mainly gain from the teams strips so could lay off on the replicas.

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I had the early 1990's white Adidas away strip with no sponsors name on it, definately looked better! Surely the sponsors mainly gain from the teams strips so could lay off on the replicas.

Brand awareness - from bairns wearing strips in the street to adult leisure wear round town. Then everyone with replica stips in Carlisle, Blackpool etc and roaming round Europe. Wonder how many more web hits MF have had since sponsorship started?

Scott, if you see this post - is this info you are able to share?

[cappoquinboy]

Brand awareness is the main reason companies (including ours) look at sponsorship opportunities.

It is difficult to quantify the direct effect our sponsorship/partnership with the club has had but it has certainly given our business a much higher profile and no doubt changed people's "perception" of McEwan Fraser.

Our web traffic has more than doubled since we were announced as the main sponsor and it has also been extremely beneficial in the launching of our new business McEwan Fraser Legal, who have gone form a new start Solicitors and Estate Agency in Nov 2009 to having more than 220 properties on the market in June 2010.

We measure each enquiry which comes into the business and when asked "where did you hear of McEwan Fraser?" - currently 17% are as a direct result of our association with the club.

On the subject of strips not carrying a sponsors logo, this is a decision for the club alone. Most clubs in the current climate need as much revenue as possible and it would significantly impact on the "value" of the contract if the sponsors logo was only to appear on the first team strips and not the replica kit.

Sponsors have no involvement in the design and manufacture of the strips but are obviously consulted when it comes to how their logo/brand appears on the kit.
We were happy to alter our green and black logo to be a plain, white on green or green on white (black on mint this season :cool2:) logo, which was/is in keeping with the clean and simple design. Whilst I am somewhat biased, all in all I think the results have been pretty good.

[Pete]

I've never had any dealings with MF but I understand where Killiehibbie is coming from when he calls some of these companies parasites. I've heard some horror stories as he probably has.

People agree to sell their home to one of the these companies at a price well below market value...only to be contacted at a later date to be told that they can now only offer them an even lower price than the one first agreed. It's usually too late in the day for the seller to refuse.

I'm sure Hibs wouldn't have the name of a company who uses underhand practices such as this on their shirt but you can understand where the perception comes from so I wouldn't be too hard on him.

And for what it's worth, I've seen dozens of MF "for sale" signs outside flats and houses....which suggests to me they are a reputable company and the "quick sale" side of their business is genuinely transparent.

...and as everyone in the property selling business knows...transparency is the key.

[PC Stamp]

I really am struggling to see where you are going with your posts on this thread.

The OP was looking for personal experiences of using McEwan Fraser services,and if them being club sponsors would sway our views, not your personal view of them as a business, based on what I don't know. And IMO you are posting views that are downright insulting. I am disgusted at some of your comments and I have nothing to do with them.

If you have used McEwan Fraser or even enquired, then feel free to post some facts. If not then give it a rest.

In terms of suitability for a sponsor, I was glad Hibs moved away from alcohol. I didn't particularly like seeing my children walk around advertising whisky, but there again the supply and consumption of alcohol is another legal business and it's up to me as a parent to teach my children about the pros and cons as they grow up.


:top marks for that post.

FWIW, I know of a few folk who have used your company who had absolutely nothing but good things to say about the process and experience. Certainly none of them felt exploited or that they'd lost out on anything.

As for sponsoring Hibs, I'm delighted that a local company with a Hibs supporter in charge has the opportunity to form a mutually beneficial relationship with the club.

I agree with both the above posts and IMHO Killiehibs original posts verge on defamation. Parasites & comparable to loan sharks!!!??? Jeezo ... what a load of Hearts!

And as for not seeing anything to gain by phoning Scott ... how about the opportunity to gain a proper understanding of what McEwan Fraser are all about to replace the totally pre conceived wrong idea held at present.

Like Sergey, I usually have respect for your viewpoints Killie, but this one lets you down big style IMHO.

Fair play to Scott for coming on and defending his corner.

[Hibs07p]

Cappoquinboy, have Hearts made enquiries about using your services regarding an old pink bus shelter in Gorgie? :greengrin

[bighairyfaeleith]

If anyone wishes to contact me in an effort to understand our business model I am available most days in the office on 0131 523 1540.

For the avoidance of doubt, we have two completely independent businesses offering either "private sale" (McEwan Fraser LLP) or regular "on market" Solicitors & Estate Agency service (McEwan Fraser Legal).
No one is forced to sell, we merely give sellers an offer which they are at liberty to accept or not, and our website is absolutely clear and transparent about the pro's and con's of an "off market" sale. Should they decide to go down the standard Estate Agency route we can offer a service which competes with every other Solicitor and Estate Agency practice.

Like a previous poster, I too am surprised that it took quite as long for a thread like this to surface but I am comfortable with it's content and understand why posters on the thread have certain views. Very often views such as those expressed by a few posters on this thread are based on misconception and ignorance of our business activity and again I stress that I am happy to speak with anyone who wishes clarification on our business model at any stage.

Also, I can assure you that the club investigated our suitability as sponsor thoroughly before we concluded our discussions/negotiations and I would hope that if the Board of Directors felt comfortable that we were/are fit and proper sponsors then the vast majority of supporters would feel similar?

Incidentally, our business has been operating for almost 10 years whilst the current financial/economic climate has been with us for the last 2 years. Our business has consistently been succesful and profitable by reacting to current market circumstances, perhaps if bigger and better businesses than ours had done the same, things might not be so bad for a lot of people right now.

Scott Fraser

PS - That number again is 0131 523 1540

Well said, I really don't see the problem here, I looked at there website when they first became sponsors and I could clearly see what there business was. If I was desperate to sell for whatever reason I probably would call them, but hopefully I won't ever need to do so!

In terms of the OP, perhaps he should try there estate agency arm, but I would only do it if they offer the best terms and you feel you will get the service you want, not because they sponsor hibs :wink:

Some of the posts on this thread are totally over the top in my opinion.