All Time SPL Table

[Frazerbob]

Interesting article on the SPL site with the all time league standings for the SPL. We're sitting a disapointing 6th however, if you take average points per game (ie remove the "Great Adventure" season) we are 4th, only 0.1 point per game less than Hearts in third.

http://www.scotprem.com/content/default.asp?page=s2&newsid=9134

[KWJ]

shh, hide it :wink:

Will probably take Yogi 4-5 years to claw Hearts back if they manage to stay alive and in the prem.

Mon the Yogster.

[Judas Iscariot]

More fuel to the fire regarding how unrealistic a vast majority of this board are..

[Bishop Hibee]

More fuel to the fire regarding how unrealistic a vast majority of this board are..

It shows how much we have underperformed since the inception of the league more like. Taking out season 98/99 is a cheat as we deserved to be relegated that season.

We'll soon catch up on Hearts when Mad Vlad gets bored with them.

[blackpoolhibs]

It shows how much we have underperformed since the inception of the league more like. Taking out season 98/99 is a cheat as we deserved to be relegated that season.

We'll soon catch up on Hearts when Mad Vlad gets bored with them.

And shows how we over performed this season. :thumbsup:

[mjhibby]

I wouldnt say we overperformed this season as we only finished 6 points better off than last season when we all agreed that was a disappointing season.Yogi certainly has the basis of a good squad and given that no team seems to repeat third place and hertz and the dons are in a bad way then we certainly should be looking forward to next season.Of course there are always injuries to key players(zouma)which can derail a season and loss of form/fall outs with the manager but yogi im sure knows that with 3 or 4 good signings(assuming those out of contract and bamba are away)then we can surely be reasonably confident of matching this season.
That fabled steel we are missing is a must and two combatative midfield players and a rb will surely see us more than match this season.With europe also in the mix i would not mind as long as we are top six but the cups is where we can hopefully make an impact and with hopefully good draws get to the latter stages.Its amazing how things turn round so quickly as i now see a lot of happy hibbies and a lot of very glum jambos.Long may it continue.Now just oconnor and 3 more signings then we are starting to dream again.:thumbsup:

[KWJ]

It shows how much we have underperformed since the inception of the league more like. Taking out season 98/99 is a cheat as we deserved to be relegated that season.

We'll soon catch up on Hearts when Mad Vlad gets bored with them.

I don't get what you're saying about it being a cheat? We deserved to be relegated the season before which wasn't the SPL. If we'd played that season under Eck we'd probably have finished around 5th-8th and had another 40 odd points on our score.

Thing that table shows is is that Hearts are a damn street clear and even without the Mad Vlad dosh they'd still be 3rd. We've gotta hunt them down.

[K.Marx]

And shows how we over performed this season. :thumbsup:

hardly, 18 points behind Aberdeen in 4th who have played 36 games more :confused: if anything we achieved what should be expected of us :agree:

[Killiehibbie]

hardly, 18 points behind Aberdeen in 4th who have played 36 games more :confused: if anything we achieved what should be expected of us :agree: And only 11 goals behind hearts.

[basehibby]

It shows how much we have underperformed since the inception of the league more like. Taking out season 98/99 is a cheat as we deserved to be relegated that season.

We'll soon catch up on Hearts when Mad Vlad gets bored with them.

I think you'll find that this SPL table compares very well to the previous all time Premier Division table (ie 1975-97 ish).
That's not to say we should take that as a marker though - I'd say that anything less than 5th place IS underperformance for Hibs.

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That's NOT an all-time SPL table. It's an SPL table for the period in which the League has been played in its present format. The SPL's been going in various formats for a lot longer than 12 years.

It just happens that the 12 years over which the sample has been taken begins with a season in which we had been relegated and therefore didn't play in the SPL. If we wait till next year and go back 12 years, we'll have played the same number of games as Hearts and Aberdeen, and I think you'll find we'll be fourth and a lot closer to Hearts.

This is because we'll be adding the points we win next season, and subtracting the points we won in season 1998/99. In our case, adding (hopefully) 55-60 points and subtracting none.

Random samples are just that - random.

In the case of Hibernian FC - THE BEST IS YET TO BE.



:flag::flag::flag:

[basehibby]

That's NOT an all-time SPL table. It's an SPL table for the period in which the League has been played in its present format. The SPL's been going in various formats for a lot longer than 12 years.

It just happens that the 12 years over which the sample has been taken begins with a season in which we had been relegated and therefore didn't play in the SPL. If we wait till next year and go back 12 years, we'll have played the same number of games as Hearts and Aberdeen, and I think you'll find we'll be fourth and a lot closer to Hearts.

This is because we'll be adding the points we win next season, and subtracting the points we won in season 1998/99. In our case, adding (hopefully) 55-60 points and subtracting none.

Random samples are just that - random.

In the case of Hibernian FC - THE BEST IS YET TO BE.



:flag::flag::flag:

I know what you mean but strictly speaking you're wrong - The "SPL" is different to it's predecessor because all the clubs had to actually LEAVE the common or garden Scottish League in order to set it up -purportedly as a way of earning more money.

I take your point that it's pretty much the same teams competing, but it is actually a different organisation and so it is very much correct to call said table an "all time SPL table".

[blackpoolhibs]

hardly, 18 points behind Aberdeen in 4th who have played 36 games more :confused: if anything we achieved what should be expected of us :agree:

What is our average position in the SPL?

[thebakerboy]

Cosidering that all the rest of the teams in the top 8 have played 36 more games than us 6th. seems a reasonable place to be and if we had been in that season even the same number of points that Falkirk got this season would put us into 4th. where I think we would be fairly happy. When you take into consideration the fact of THE TACHE sorting us out financially in this period , so that we are in a sound position now , we should move onward and upward in the next few seasons.:greengrin:greengrin:greengrin:scarf::smug :

[Sir David Gray]

What is our average position in the SPL?

Roughly 6th place.

[scoopyboy]

I would not have won a bet on teams that have accumulated more points than us.

Didn't realise Killie had done so well.

[blackpoolhibs]

Roughly 6th place.

Looks like we have had an above average season then.:thumbsup:

[Jonnyboy]

I would not have won a bet on teams that have accumulated more points than us.

Didn't realise Killie had done so well.

Bobby Williamson's men :wink::greengrin

[Frazerbob]

What is our average position in the SPL?

Here's the avaergae season stats (with slight rounding variances), looks like we had an average season :wink:

.....................................P.....W...... .D.......L ...F....A....Pts
Celtic ...........................38....27........6...... 5... 87..31..87
Rangers.........................38...26....... 7...... 5... 80..30...85
Hearts.......................... 38...15...... 9......13... 50..44...54
Hibernian...................... 38...14.....10......14... 53..53...52
Aberdeen...................... 38...13..... .9..... 16....45..53...48
Kilmarnock.....................38...13...... 9......16....45.. 54..48
Hamilton....................... 38...13..... 8......18.....35..50..47
Inverness CT..................38...12... .10......16....44.. 51..46
Motherwell.....................38...12......9..... ..17... 46..57...45
Dundee..........................38...12......9.... .18.... 45.. 60..45
Dundee United................38...11....11.....16.....42. . 57..44
St Johnstone..................38...10... 11......17... 40.. 53...41
Falkirk...........................38...10... 10......18... 39.. 54..40
Dunfermline....................38...10... 10......18... 37.. 60..40
Livingston.......................38...10.....9.... ...19... 41..61..39
St Mirren........................38....8....10....... 19... 32..56...34
Partick Thistle................38.....7... 10.......22...38..63...31
Gretna...........................38.....5......8.. ....25.. 32..83...23

[Sir David Gray]

Looks like we have had an above average season then.:thumbsup:

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be striving to better ourselves. If you look at it another way, you could say that we have massively under-achieved since the inception of the SPL.

I personally believe that Hibs should be in the top four every single year and more often than not we should be third.

Sixth may well be our average position over the past ten years or so but I personally do not view finishing in sixth place as a success.

[K.Marx]

What is our average position in the SPL?


Here's the avaergae season stats (with slight rounding variances), looks like we had an average season :wink:

.....................................P.....W...... .D.......L ...F....A....Pts
Celtic ...........................38....27........6...... 5... 87..31..87
Rangers.........................38...26....... 7...... 5... 80..30...85
Hearts.......................... 38...15...... 9......13... 50..44...54
Hibernian...................... 38...14.....10......14... 53..53...52
Aberdeen...................... 38...13..... .9..... 16....45..53...48
Kilmarnock.....................38...13...... 9......16....45.. 54..48
Hamilton....................... 38...13..... 8......18.....35..50..47
Inverness CT..................38...12... .10......16....44.. 51..46
Motherwell.....................38...12......9..... ..17... 46..57...45
Dundee..........................38...12......9.... .18.... 45.. 60..45
Dundee United................38...11....11.....16.....42. . 57..44
St Johnstone..................38...10... 11......17... 40.. 53...41
Falkirk...........................38...10... 10......18... 39.. 54..40
Dunfermline....................38...10... 10......18... 37.. 60..40
Livingston.......................38...10.....9.... ...19... 41..61..39
St Mirren........................38....8....10....... 19... 32..56...34
Partick Thistle................38.....7... 10.......22...38..63...31
Gretna...........................38.....5......8.. ....25.. 32..83...23

Thats the question answered then :greengrin

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I know what you mean but strictly speaking you're wrong - The "SPL" is different to it's predecessor because all the clubs had to actually LEAVE the common or garden Scottish League in order to set it up -purportedly as a way of earning more money.

I take your point that it's pretty much the same teams competing, but it is actually a different organisation and so it is very much correct to call said table an "all time SPL table".



You're absolutely right, but a rose by any other name....

:rolleyes:

[blackpoolhibs]

Here's the avaergae season stats (with slight rounding variances), looks like we had an average season :wink:

.....................................P.....W...... .D.......L ...F....A....Pts
Celtic ...........................38....27........6...... 5... 87..31..87
Rangers.........................38...26....... 7...... 5... 80..30...85
Hearts.......................... 38...15...... 9......13... 50..44...54
Hibernian...................... 38...14.....10......14... 53..53...52
Aberdeen...................... 38...13..... .9..... 16....45..53...48
Kilmarnock.....................38...13...... 9......16....45.. 54..48
Hamilton....................... 38...13..... 8......18.....35..50..47
Inverness CT..................38...12... .10......16....44.. 51..46
Motherwell.....................38...12......9..... ..17... 46..57...45
Dundee..........................38...12......9.... .18.... 45.. 60..45
Dundee United................38...11....11.....16.....42. . 57..44
St Johnstone..................38...10... 11......17... 40.. 53...41
Falkirk...........................38...10... 10......18... 39.. 54..40
Dunfermline....................38...10... 10......18... 37.. 60..40
Livingston.......................38...10.....9.... ...19... 41..61..39
St Mirren........................38....8....10....... 19... 32..56...34
Partick Thistle................38.....7... 10.......22...38..63...31
Gretna...........................38.....5......8.. ....25.. 32..83...23

Are these average SPL finishes, or points?

[blackpoolhibs]

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't be striving to better ourselves. If you look at it another way, you could say that we have massively under-achieved since the inception of the SPL.
Nobody would argue with that, although 4th is better than normal, and should still be applauded.
I personally believe that Hibs should be in the top four every single year and more often than not we should be third.
I do too, and this season we are, although you wouldnt think so going by some of the comments on here.
Sixth may well be our average position over the past ten years or so but I personally do not view finishing in sixth place as a success.
Neither do i.

[Frazerbob]

Are these average SPL finishes, or points?

It's the total number of wins, draws, losses, goals for and goals against divided by the total number of SPL games played then multiplied by 38 to get an "average" SPL seaon.......easy!

[blackpoolhibs]

It's the total number of wins, draws, losses, goals for and goals against divided by the total number of SPL games played then multiplied by 38 to get an "average" SPL seaon.......easy!

So its our average points total, rather than our average SPL league placing.

[Frazerbob]

So its our average points total, rather than our average SPL league placing.

Yes

[blackpoolhibs]

Yes

Ah, what's our average league placing then?

[Frazerbob]

Ah, what's our average league placing then?

I would GUESS at 6th.

[blackpoolhibs]

I would GUESS at 6th.

Me too.

[K.Marx]

And shows how we over performed this season. :thumbsup:


What is our average position in the SPL?


Looks like we have had an above average season then.:thumbsup:


Are these average SPL finishes, or points?


Neither do i.


So its our average points total, rather than our average SPL league placing.


Ah, what's our average league placing then?


Me too.

your smugness in this thread is actually so irritating its unreal :rolleyes:

[blackpoolhibs]

your smugness in this thread is actually so irritating its unreal :rolleyes:

Your posts don't bother me one way or another, in fact i don't remember any of them.

[hibee_nation]

your smugness in this thread is actually so irritating its unreal :rolleyes:

He is only smug cause dafties like you make it easy for him. :greengrin