On May 6th...my vote will go to this party!

[Ed De Gramo]

YouTube - Sky News Debate: Nick Clegg closing statement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofF39dH2myw)

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[Beefster]

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[Ed De Gramo]

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[One Day Soon]

That statement is a long winded pile of pish that says precisely nothing of any substance. Difference..........change........different......b lah, blah. Sounds just like the former lobbyist that he is.

Actually he is so vacuous, flimsy and divorced from reality that I think he might make exactly the Prime Minister that the British people deserve.

[HibeeEmma]

All seems good but I feel it's far too ideological.

If Cameron or Brown came out with these things we would question why all this has never happened in the past. Lib Dems have never been in power so people can not raise this issue.

Only so much is feasible for the governments and that is why there is not much between the parties any more.

I was swayed by the lib dems at the start but the more I see Nick Clegg stand up between the two and play the superior alternative to the current failure or the tories, it seems unrealistic.

[Beefster]

Clegg did a fair bit of lying last night too by ignoring his own manifesto.

"I'm not advocating an amnesty"

"I'm not advocating entry into the Euro"

[steakbake]

The Guardian are backing the LibDems.

I was quite surprised by that but others think it's entirely expected.

Also, apparently there is a poll out tonight with some (more) bad news for Labour.

[hibsdaft]

i was waiting for the punchline.

[Hainan Hibs]

Clegg tries to say all the right things but if he ever got power it would be the same old pish.

[BroxburnHibee]

Clegg tries to say all the right things but if he ever got power it would be the same old pish.

Its always the same old pish - maybe trying something different could work.



Not saying it will - I'm just completely bored with the 2 main parties.

[One Day Soon]

Clegg tries to say all the right things but if he ever got power it would be the same old pish.

Yup

[Jonnyboy]

Its always the same old pish - maybe trying something different could work.



Not saying it will - I'm just completely bored with the 2 main parties.

:agree: me too D.

I have a feeling the LibDems might do better than usual because Clegg seems to have won over Gramo and many others with his delivery. Still think we'll have a hung Parliament though and that's surely the worst possible outcome

[marinello59]

:agree: me too D.

I have a feeling the LibDems might do better than usual because Clegg seems to have won over Gramo and many others with his delivery. Still think we'll have a hung Parliament though and that's surely the worst possible outcome

Sounds like a result to me. They should have been hung years ago. :greengrin

[steakbake]

i was waiting for the punchline.

I think we have to write them oursels, I'm not sure. :dunno:

[Beefster]

i was waiting for the punchline.

So he says, "Next Tuesday. Bring a rubber glove."

[Hainan Hibs]

Just read what the long haired tax dodging SSP candiate (he's a "post grad" student so I get away with the tax dodging attack) has to say

"Believes that Aberdeen should have a free, locally owned public transport service"

Now, I realise this will never actually happen, but after the experiences on First Buses here I am slamming in a vote for big Ewan Robertson as a big **** YOU to First Buses:grr:

[Jonnyboy]

Sounds like a result to me. They should have been hung years ago. :greengrin

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[Ed De Gramo]

:agree: me too D.

I have a feeling the LibDems might do better than usual because Clegg seems to have won over Gramo and many others with his delivery. Still think we'll have a hung Parliament though and that's surely the worst possible outcome

To be fair, it doesn't really take much to win me over....usually a promise of an ice cream with hundreds & thousands will suffice :greengrin

[lucky]

Vote Labour anything else will be a massive mistake. The lib Dems may seem a safe alternative but they we could still end up with the Tories. For those to young to remember the Tories. Just a few reminders interest rates 15%. 3million on the dole. Closing of the mines and steelworks. Destroying local communities.

[ArabHibee]

To be fair, it doesn't really take much to win me over....usually a promise of an ice cream with hundreds & thousands will suffice :greengrin

Really? :hmmm:

[RyeSloan]

Vote Labour anything else will be a massive mistake. The lib Dems may seem a safe alternative but they we could still end up with the Tories. For those to young to remember the Tories. Just a few reminders interest rates 15%. 3million on the dole. Closing of the mines and steelworks. Destroying local communities.

Tryign to scare people into voting for a party is false and dangerous and if the best you can come up with is vote for Labour cause they are not the Tories then that's rather sad.

As for the Tories closing mines and steelworks don't you mean they were no longer prepared to fund their existance with massive subsidies.....I wonder why these industries are still deemed as some sort of glory industry for a nation to have desipte them being dirty and dangerous for the employees and that the UK has no real requirement for them as they can source coal and steel much cheaper abroad.

[lucky]

Tryign to scare people into voting for a party is false and dangerous and if the best you can come up with is vote for Labour cause they are not the Tories then that's rather sad.

As for the Tories closing mines and steelworks don't you mean they were no longer prepared to fund their existance with massive subsidies.....I wonder why these industries are still deemed as some sort of glory industry for a nation to have desipte them being dirty and dangerous for the employees and that the UK has no real requirement for them as they can source coal and steel much cheaper abroad.

Not scaring people reminding them of the horrors of the past.

As for dirty jobs--they were well sought after and decent paying jobs. We now import our coal and steel. The run down of these industries contributed to the decline of manufacturing in the UK. Supporting industries should be integral part of any government. If the the Tories had support coal, steel and manufacturing in the way Labour has the banks, Car industry and the health service the country would not be in a lot stronger economic position

[Beefster]

Not scaring people reminding them of the horrors of the past.

As for dirty jobs--they were well sought after and decent paying jobs. We now import our coal and steel. The run down of these industries contributed to the decline of manufacturing in the UK. Supporting industries should be integral part of any government. If the the Tories had support coal, steel and manufacturing in the way Labour has the banks, Car industry and the health service the country would not be in a lot stronger economic position

Another horror of the past - there were children going up chimneys under a past Labour government. A vote for Labour is a vote for kids falling down chimneys.

Has the steel industry and manufacturing in this country gotten stronger in the last 13 years?

[RyeSloan]

Not scaring people reminding them of the horrors of the past.

As for dirty jobs--they were well sought after and decent paying jobs. We now import our coal and steel. The run down of these industries contributed to the decline of manufacturing in the UK. Supporting industries should be integral part of any government. If the the Tories had support coal, steel and manufacturing in the way Labour has the banks, Car industry and the health service the country would not be in a lot stronger economic position

Here's a fact for you Britian is the 6th biggest manufacturer in the world. The decline of traditional manufacturing has indeed been dramatic but the UK has seem significant replacement by much higher end and higher value manufacturing.

Goverment support for VIABLE industries in tough times is of course a sensible approach...please explain to me how viable you consider Steel and Mining to be from a UK perspective and how many billions of pounds a year every year you think they should have received in subsidies for the last 25 years?

The simple fact is that steel and coal can be sourced massively cheaper than they can be made or mined in the UK and therefore there is no demand for them and thats why they are largely imported.

And if you really think that steel working and mining is the future for the nations children then great, personally I think education and value added jobs are where we should be putting our energies not wishing back the days of putting tens of thousands underground to dig for coal (and of course shorten their lives quite dramatically while we are at it!!).

Sure substantially more support should have been given to the communities effected at the time but the industries themselves were dead in the water and needed to be killed off.

[lucky]

And if you really think that steel working and mining is the future for the nations children then great, personally I think education and value added jobs are where we should be putting our energies not wishing back the days of putting tens of thousands underground to dig for coal (and of course shorten their lives quite dramatically while we are at it!!).

Simar, comrade i don't recall stating that heavy industry alone could offer our children a future but surely it makes sense to support industries as well education and high end jobs. Not all are cut out for such high value jobs. As such i believe we should have supported the mining and steel industries as alternative employment opportunities. This is why Labour are bringing more apprenticeships forward and forced Wee Eck and his gang to so in Scotland at the last budget.

[RyeSloan]

Simar, comrade i don't recall stating that heavy industry alone could offer our children a future but surely it makes sense to support industries as well education and high end jobs. Not all are cut out for such high value jobs. As such i believe we should have supported the mining and steel industries as alternative employment opportunities. This is why Labour are bringing more apprenticeships forward and forced Wee Eck and his gang to so in Scotland at the last budget.

Comrade I am not! :wink:

I have no problems with apprenticeships and of course any nation needs plumbers, mechanics, sparks etc and not all of the working population are capable of becoming biochemists but surely you have to aim to have your population working in areas that generate income for the country not drain it. Steel and Mining are classic examples of industries that can be done much cheaper elsewhere....if you think the Government's role is maintaining jobs in industries despite the overwhelming evidence that those industries would need huge subsidy for ever more then fine, personally I don't. (And that's before you even look at the legality of ongoing and massive state support for these industries)

Goverments role should be ensuring that they educate their population correctly and facilitate the correct environment for productive and profitable business to employ these people...that's how you increase the wealth of your nation and ensure that future tax revenues increase not by propping up huge loss making industries forever to simply maintain jobs, that's a one way street to fiscal disaster.