Ross County in Europa Cup....only if...

[Borders Hibby]

according to Radio 5 Live, can we clear this up once and for all!:confused:

[green.and.white]

If true what a joke, another lower league team getting in and dropping the country's coefficient points down :grr:

[Borders Hibby]

If true what a joke, another lower league team getting in and dropping the country's coefficient points down :grr:

Just a joke that no one seems to be clear on the rules!!:confused:

[H18sry]

If true what a joke, another lower league team getting in and dropping the country's coefficient points down :grr:

Well we can blame ourselves and Celtc for not beating them :agree:

[BT58]

according to Radio 5 Live, can we clear this up once and for all!:confused:

if they win the cup,,,,,,,,,,,if not 4th place gets it,,,,,,,,,,had the huns played ross cty in the finale then maybe
then again i could be wrong
hb

[Borders Hibby]

if they win the cup,,,,,,,,,,,if not 4th place gets it,,,,,,,,,,had the huns played ross cty in the finale then maybe
then again i could be wrong
hb

Commentator on Radio 5 says that that is them in, even before the final is played!:confused:

[craig1875]

I thought it was changed to only the winners went into europe, but do remember reading that both the scottish cup finalists have to finish in the top 4 of the spl for the spl's 5th place team to qualify.

Total joke again, it has to be changed for next season.

[Borders Hibby]

I thought it was changed to only the winners went into europe, but do remember reading that both the scottish cup finalists have to finish in the top 4 of the spl for the spl's 5th place team to qualify.

Total joke again, it has to be changed for next season.

I just think that it is a joke that it is so unclear!:confused:

[PaulSmith]

if they win the cup,,,,,,,,,,,if not 4th place gets it,,,,,,,,,,had the huns played ross cty in the finale then maybe
then again i could be wrong
hb

Assuming league standings remain and Dundee Utd win cup

Rangers and Celtic Champs League

Cup Win - Dundee Utd - Europa
4th Place - Hibs - Europa
5th Place - Motherwell - Europa

I think that the only way for Ross County to get into the Europa Cup would be if Dundee Utd got 2nd place or Ross County win the cup.

[craig1875]

Assuming league standings remain and Dundee Utd win cup

Rangers and Celtic Champs League

Cup Win - Dundee Utd - Europa
4th Place - Hibs - Europa
5th Place - Motherwell - Europa

I think that the only way for Ross County to get into the Europa Cup would be if Dundee Utd got 2nd place or Ross County win the cup.

You sure? :confused:

[Borders Hibby]

Assuming league standings remain and Dundee Utd win cup

Rangers and Celtic Champs League

Cup Win - Dundee Utd - Europa
4th Place - Hibs - Europa
5th Place - Motherwell - Europa

I think that the only way for Ross County to get into the Europa Cup would be if Dundee Utd got 2nd place or Ross County win the cup.

I do not doubt you but everyone just "thinks" what it "might" be. Is it not a disgrace that the league and sfa dont make it clear!!!!:confused:

[ballengeich]

Assuming league standings remain and Dundee Utd win cup

Rangers and Celtic Champs League

Cup Win - Dundee Utd - Europa
4th Place - Hibs - Europa
5th Place - Motherwell - Europa

I think that the only way for Ross County to get into the Europa Cup would be if Dundee Utd got 2nd place or Ross County win the cup.

Correct. It's also worth noting that the rules on cup runners-up qualifying are set by UEFA and not by the SFA. Several previous threads have covered the subject.

[Sir David Gray]

I was always under the impression that if the winners of the cup have already qualified for Europe (either CL or Europa) then the runners up get into the Europa League, if they haven't finished in the top four.

I have been told on a couple of occasions in the past few days that I am wrong and that the winners must finish in the CL for the runners up to get into Europe.

I have seen nothing official (even though I have looked) that says yay or nay on this issue.

[noseyhibby]

If true what a joke, another lower league team getting in and dropping the country's coefficient points down :grr:

Errrrr What exactly have Hibs, Hearts etc etc etc, in fact any team out with the old firm done for our co-efficient these past 10 years? Ross County can do no worse than the rest of our teams in europe. Give them their wee shot in the sun. It is at least a welcome sideshow for our own dismal performances on the domestic front.

[BT58]

Assuming league standings remain and Dundee Utd win cup

Rangers and Celtic Champs League

Cup Win - Dundee Utd - Europa
4th Place - Hibs - Europa
5th Place - Motherwell - Europa

I think that the only way for Ross County to get into the Europa Cup would be if Dundee Utd got 2nd place or Ross County win the cup.

thot we only had 2 places in champions league + 2 places on eorpa cup
hb

[Sir David Gray]

thot we only had 2 places in champions league + 2 places on eorpa cup
hb

Nope, we have five European places next season (two CL and three EL). From the year after, we will lose a CL place but we still keep three EL places.

[iwasthere1972]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/04/11/fish-supper-treat-for-ross-county-heroes-after-celtic-upset-86908-22177782/

Read second last paragraph. You can always trust a member of parliament. :wink:

[budgiemcb]

County are defo in Europe!

http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-cup/163674-fifth-placed-spl-team-in-line-for-europa-league-benefit-from-old-firm-scottish-cup-final/

[HibeeDaz6270]

thot we only had 2 places in champions league + 2 places on eorpa cup
hb
1st and 2nd champions league. 3rd and 4th europe.

+ 1 extra place from the cup.

[iwasthere1972]

County are defo in Europe!

http://sport.stv.tv/football/scottish-cup/163674-fifth-placed-spl-team-in-line-for-europa-league-benefit-from-old-firm-scottish-cup-final/

The article says

If either Ross County or Raith Rovers win through to a final with either of the Glasgow teams, they will enter the Europa League at the play-off round.

They're both out. :agree:

[Borders Hibby]

The article says

If either Ross County or Raith Rovers win through to a final with either of the Glasgow teams, they will enter the Europa League at the play-off round.

They're both out. :agree:

Straight from the scorrish league website!

Europa League
The competition will feature a group stage of 48 teams. The holders and the 10 teams beaten in the play-offs for the Champions League qualify automatically and are joined by 37 qualifiers. The top two from each section go through to the knock-out stage, where they are joined by the eight clubs finishing third in their Champions League group.

Scotland again have three places for 2010/11. The Scottish Cup winners have one tie to negotiate to reach the group stage as they enter at the play-off stage on August 19 & 26, the third-placed side in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League join in qualifying round three on July 29 & August 5 and the team finishing fourth come in at qualifying round two on July 15 & 22.

The fifth-placed team in the SPL will also qualify for the Europa League if the cup final is contested by two teams who have already qualified for Europe via the SPL.

The final will take place in Dublin on Wednesday May 18, 2011.
:confused:

[Borders Hibby]

Errrrr What exactly have Hibs, Hearts etc etc etc, in fact any team out with the old firm done for our co-efficient these past 10 years? Ross County can do no worse than the rest of our teams in europe. Give them their wee shot in the sun. It is at least a welcome sideshow for our own dismal performances on the domestic front.

I agree, just think that it is rank wrotten that it is so unclear!:grr:

[PaulSmith]

Straight from the scorrish league website!

Europa League
The competition will feature a group stage of 48 teams. The holders and the 10 teams beaten in the play-offs for the Champions League qualify automatically and are joined by 37 qualifiers. The top two from each section go through to the knock-out stage, where they are joined by the eight clubs finishing third in their Champions League group.

Scotland again have three places for 2010/11. The Scottish Cup winners have one tie to negotiate to reach the group stage as they enter at the play-off stage on August 19 & 26, the third-placed side in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League join in qualifying round three on July 29 & August 5 and the team finishing fourth come in at qualifying round two on July 15 & 22.

The fifth-placed team in the SPL will also qualify for the Europa League if the cup final is contested by two teams who have already qualified for Europe via the SPL.

The final will take place in Dublin on Wednesday May 18, 2011.
:confused:

Oh well, Ross County in Europe it is and now we have a 3 way fight for 4th place and the final Europa League slot.

[budgiemcb]

The article says

If either Ross County or Raith Rovers win through to a final with either of the Glasgow teams, they will enter the Europa League at the play-off round.

They're both out. :agree:

"As it stands, the qualification slot given from the Scottish Cup catapults the recipients ahead of the SPL teams in the qualifying stages."

In the same article if you read it fully! Utd are as good as qualified through the league so Ross County get the European spot through being in the cup final!

[iwasthere1972]

Straight from the scorrish league website!

Europa League
The competition will feature a group stage of 48 teams. The holders and the 10 teams beaten in the play-offs for the Champions League qualify automatically and are joined by 37 qualifiers. The top two from each section go through to the knock-out stage, where they are joined by the eight clubs finishing third in their Champions League group.

Scotland again have three places for 2010/11. The Scottish Cup winners have one tie to negotiate to reach the group stage as they enter at the play-off stage on August 19 & 26, the third-placed side in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League join in qualifying round three on July 29 & August 5 and the team finishing fourth come in at qualifying round two on July 15 & 22.

The fifth-placed team in the SPL will also qualify for the Europa League if the cup final is contested by two teams who have already qualified for Europe via the SPL.

The final will take place in Dublin on Wednesday May 18, 2011.
:confused:


The way I am reading that is that if Dundee Utd win the final then 5th place in SPL get Europa Cup place. If Ross County win final then they get into Europe and only 3rd and 4th spot in SPL qualify for Europa Cup.

Simples. :greengrin

[Borders Hibby]

"As it stands, the qualification slot given from the Scottish Cup catapults the recipients ahead of the SPL teams in the qualifying stages."

In the same article if you read it fully! Utd are as good as qualified through the league so Ross County get the European spot through being in the cup final!

I agree!:agree:

[Borders Hibby]

The way I am reading that is that if Dundee Utd win the final then 5th place in SPL get Europa Cup place. If Ross County win final then they get into Europe and only 3rd and 4th spot in SPL qualify for Europa Cup.

Simples. :greengrin

You are wrong.:wink:

[budgiemcb]

[QUOTE=Borders Hibby;2424662]Straight from the scorrish league website!

Europa League
The competition will feature a group stage of 48 teams. The holders and the 10 teams beaten in the play-offs for the Champions League qualify automatically and are joined by 37 qualifiers. The top two from each section go through to the knock-out stage, where they are joined by the eight clubs finishing third in their Champions League group.

Scotland again have three places for 2010/11. The Scottish Cup winners have one tie to negotiate to reach the group stage as they enter at the play-off stage on August 19 & 26, the third-placed side in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League join in qualifying round three on July 29 & August 5 and the team finishing fourth come in at qualifying round two on July 15 & 22.

The fifth-placed team in the SPL will also qualify for the Europa League if the cup final is contested by two teams who have already qualified for Europe via the SPL.

The final will take place in Dublin on Wednesday May 18, 2011.
:confused:[/QUO

The final is not being contested by sides qualified for Europe through the SPL so County get the spot!

[the_ginger_hibee]

Straight from the scorrish league website!

Europa League
The competition will feature a group stage of 48 teams. The holders and the 10 teams beaten in the play-offs for the Champions League qualify automatically and are joined by 37 qualifiers. The top two from each section go through to the knock-out stage, where they are joined by the eight clubs finishing third in their Champions League group.

Scotland again have three places for 2010/11. The Scottish Cup winners have one tie to negotiate to reach the group stage as they enter at the play-off stage on August 19 & 26, the third-placed side in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League join in qualifying round three on July 29 & August 5 and the team finishing fourth come in at qualifying round two on July 15 & 22.

The fifth-placed team in the SPL will also qualify for the Europa League if the cup final is contested by two teams who have already qualified for Europe via the SPL.

The final will take place in Dublin on Wednesday May 18, 2011.(Europa final)
:confused:

Thats that then.

[iwasthere1972]

You are wrong.:wink:

Come to think about it, I think you're correct. :wink:

I'm trying to watch the final 20 minutes of Spurs v Pompey. :grr:

[Borders Hibby]

[QUOTE=Borders Hibby;2424662]Straight from the scorrish league website!

Europa League
The competition will feature a group stage of 48 teams. The holders and the 10 teams beaten in the play-offs for the Champions League qualify automatically and are joined by 37 qualifiers. The top two from each section go through to the knock-out stage, where they are joined by the eight clubs finishing third in their Champions League group.

Scotland again have three places for 2010/11. The Scottish Cup winners have one tie to negotiate to reach the group stage as they enter at the play-off stage on August 19 & 26, the third-placed side in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League join in qualifying round three on July 29 & August 5 and the team finishing fourth come in at qualifying round two on July 15 & 22.

The fifth-placed team in the SPL will also qualify for the Europa League if the cup final is contested by two teams who have already qualified for Europe via the SPL.

The final will take place in Dublin on Wednesday May 18, 2011.
:confused:[/QUO

The final is not being contested by sides qualified for Europe through the SPL so County get the spot!

Correct!:agree:

[Borders Hibby]

Come to think about it, I think you're correct. :wink:

I'm trying to watch the final 20 minutes of Spurs v Pompey. :grr:

Better than getting a sore head trying to figure this up!:agree:

[Westie1875]

I think they were talking about this on sportsound yesterday and they ended up concluding that the only way Ross County were in Europe was by winning the cup or Utd getting 2nd in the league.

Reading some of the quotes above though, I have no idea what the correct rules are. :confused:

[iwasthere1972]

Better than getting a sore head trying to figure this up!:agree:

:agree: The only thing I can say for certain is that I don't really know. :dizzy:

[vahibbie]

If true what a joke, another lower league team getting in and dropping the country's coefficient points down :grr:

I don't think the coefficient is based on what division a team comes from, more from the overall performances of teams from that country.

Are you maybe suggesting that we would be better of representing Scotland than Ross County:confused:
How would you reach that conclusion.

[Borders Hibby]

I think they were talking about this on sportsound yesterday and they ended up concluding that the only way Ross County were in Europe was by winning the cup or Utd getting 2nd in the league.

Reading some of the quotes above though, I have no idea what the correct rules are. :confused:

It does seem to be a complete farce!:agree:

[ballengeich]

I've found this on the official UEFA site. It looks clear to me that cup runners-up only qualify for the Europa League if the winners have qualified for the Champions' League. See section II para 2.04.

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/UEFACup/84/52/89/845289_DOWNLOAD.pdf (http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/UEFACup/84/52/89/845289_DOWNLOAD.pdf)

[crash]

So to summarise, Ross County will only qualify for Europe if

a) They win the Cup.
or
b) Dundee Utd finish second in the SPL.

[iwasthere1972]

So to summarise, Ross County will only qualify for Europe if

a) They win the Cup.
or
b) Dundee Utd finish second in the SPL.

Unless anyone knows something different. :cool2:

[GlesgaeHibby]

"As it stands, the qualification slot given from the Scottish Cup catapults the recipients ahead of the SPL teams in the qualifying stages."

In the same article if you read it fully! Utd are as good as qualified through the league so Ross County get the European spot through being in the cup final!

If the cup euro spot 'catapults' the winner a round further than the SPL teams qualified, Dundee Utd will surely take the cup winners euro place if they win?

That leaves 4th and 5th in the SPL to get the remaining 2 places.

All those that think Ross County potentially making it into europe is a farce should think again. The farce was them us and Celtic not being able to beat them, so if they claim the spot then they claim it on merit.

[J-C]

According to radio Scotland yesterday they have to actually win it to get into it with Dun U get there.

[Borders Hibby]

I've found this on the official UEFA site. It looks clear to me that cup runners-up only qualify for the Europa League if the winners have qualified for the Champions' League. See section II para 2.04.

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/UEFACup/84/52/89/845289_DOWNLOAD.pdf (http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/UEFACup/84/52/89/845289_DOWNLOAD.pdf)

Its all as clear as mud!!!!!:grr:

[MacBean]

only way ross county will not be in europa league is if dundee utd finish fifth and win the SC.

its pretty straight forward. runner up gets the prize if winner is already qualified for Europe - its a UEFA rule, the country must have at least one cup qualifer in Europe.

[HONG KONG PHOOEY]

only way ross county will not be in europa league is if dundee utd finish fifth and win the SC.

its pretty straight forward. runner up gets the prize if winner is already qualified for Europe - its a UEFA rule, the country must have at least one cup qualifer in Europe.

So you think that Dundee Utd will only get their European place by finishing third and not by winning the cup ? how would that work when the cup winners/runners up enter a round after the round for third place in our league, surely Utd would chose the cup place and be in the last qualifying round. Then the extra place would go to the league place and not the runners up.

[Spike Mandela]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Premier_League#European_qualification

[MacBean]

So you think that Dundee Utd will only get their European place by finishing third and not by winning the cup ? how would that work when the cup winners/runners up enter a round after the round for third place in our league, surely Utd would chose the cup place and be in the last qualifying round. Then the extra place would go to the league place and not the runners up.
its only the cup winners that would enter the round after 3rd place. the runners up start at the earliest qualification level and 3rd place gets promoted.

Dundee Utd will get Europe if they finish where they are or better. But if they were to have a disaster and finish in 5th they would not qualify for europe unless they won the SC.

If however they win the SC and finish where they are then it will go to Ross County and they would start at the earliest round of qualification for scottish teams 4th moving up a level and 3rd going into the final round of qualification as opposed to the cup winners.

[hibeesjoe]

If true what a joke, another lower league team getting in and dropping the country's coefficient points down :grr:

Yup, its a total joke. A team that has earned its place in the final by beating both Hibs and Celtic along the way :grr:

Good luck to them and they deserve all the benefits that come from reaching the final of the biggest cup scotland has too offer. Its a shame all our billy big baws couldnt muster up enough fight to get to the final. Its not like Hibs would help benefit scotlands coefficient points anyway is it.

We are gash and i cant see us getting any better anytime soon

[IberianHibernian]

Seems like RC can only qualify for EL by winning cup or as runners up if DU finish 2nd in league ( neither that unlikely I`d say ) . If they qualify , 5th in SPL won`t and if RC win cup , 4th in league will have mid July EL start . Final EL place is same as old Inter Toto which we ( and others ) may not even want though with SPL finish 3 weeks earlier than last year our players should get plenty of holiday ( IF they deserve it is another question ) before EL start IF we suddenly recover 2009 results and finish 4th . Last game at Tannadice might need us winning to clinch 4th or 5th and to make sure Dundee United don`t finish 2nd ( which would qualify Ross C for EL ) .

[DH1875]

That really cleared it up then. :dizzy:.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Admin on ross county site seems to have it sussed -

http://www.overthebridge.info/viewthread.php?tid=8724

[CallumHibs07]

Sorry if this sounds dumb, but under what circumstances can 5th in the SPL get into Europe?:greengrin

[budgiemcb]

Falkirk qualified for Europe this season after losing last years cup final!

Queen of the South qualified last year, Dunfermline the year before that and Gretna the year before that...........all losing finalists!

The SFA did try to change the rule the year QOS won it but it was rejected by UEFA!

I stand by my belief that County are in Europe! :grr:

I would be delighted though if it's not the case, as the way we're capitulating at the moment we might need fifth place for us to dust the passports out next season!

GGTTH

[PaulSmith]

Falkirk qualified for Europe this season after losing last years cup final!

Queen of the South qualified last year, Dunfermline the year before that and Gretna the year before that...........all losing finalists!

The SFA did try to change the rule the year QOS won it but it was rejected by UEFA!

I stand by my belief that County are in Europe! :grr:

I would be delighted though if it's not the case, as the way we're capitulating at the moment we might need fifth place for us to dust the passports out next season!

GGTTH

I'm sure all those teams played a team that went into the champs league

[budgiemcb]

I'm sure all those teams played a team that went into the champs league

Aye, they did!

I'm now NO convinced I'm right! :greengrin

[IberianHibernian]

Sorry if this sounds dumb, but under what circumstances can 5th in the SPL get into Europe?:greengrin
5th will qualify for Europa League ( albeit an early round like old InterToto ) if Ross County don`t win cup and Dundee United don`t finish second ( or even first ) in league .

[RosComain]

Errrrr What exactly have Hibs, Hearts etc etc etc, in fact any team out with the old firm done for our co-efficient these past 10 years? Ross County can do no worse than the rest of our teams in europe. Give them their wee shot in the sun. It is at least a welcome sideshow for our own dismal performances on the domestic front.

Hearts and Aberdeen have both qualified for the group stages of the uefa cup in that time. aberdeen's draw with bayern munich in 07/08 in the last 32 after pumping copenhagen 4-0 to qualify from their group stage must have helped scotlands co-efficient, even of they did get hammered 5 1 in germany. agreed our teams are usually rubbish in europe but i'd rather have teams finishing in the upper half of the spl there than a first division side.

[IberianHibernian]

In Spain , Atletico Madrid are in middle of league with no chance of qualifying for Europe through league so have 3 possibilities by cups - win Europa League ( they`re in semi ) and / or win Spanish Cup or lose final to Sevilla IF Sevilla qualify for Champions League . This would suggest we`re guaranteed Europa League place if we finish 5th and Dundee United win cup but don`t finish 2nd in league .

[tamig]

Assuming league standings remain and Dundee Utd win cup

Rangers and Celtic Champs League

Cup Win - Dundee Utd - Europa
4th Place - Hibs - Europa
5th Place - Motherwell - Europa

I think that the only way for Ross County to get into the Europa Cup would be if Dundee Utd got 2nd place or Ross County win the cup.

That was my understanding. The cup final losers only ever get in if the winners are already qualified for the higher ranking tournament, i.e., the Champs League.

[Speedy]

only way ross county will not be in europa league is if dundee utd finish fifth and win the SC.

its pretty straight forward. runner up gets the prize if winner is already qualified for Europe - its a UEFA rule, the country must have at least one cup qualifer in Europe.



If the cup euro spot 'catapults' the winner a round further than the SPL teams qualified, Dundee Utd will surely take the cup winners euro place if they win?

That leaves 4th and 5th in the SPL to get the remaining 2 places.

All those that think Ross County potentially making it into europe is a farce should think again. The farce was them us and Celtic not being able to beat them, so if they claim the spot then they claim it on merit.

Exactly.

The confusion comes about because it is not(or has not) been made clear that the cup winners go into the 4th qualifying round while 3rd and 4th in the league go into the 3rd and 2nd respectively.

I believe the ruling is that there has to be a european qualifier from the cup and in this case it would be Dundee United(assuming they win it).

This is partly guess work on my part but it would explain why people are saying it has to be the top 2 in the league for the runners up to get into europe.

[lapsedhibee]

Admin on ross county site seems to have it sussed -

http://www.overthebridge.info/viewthread.php?tid=8724

Just as Ross County pished all over us on the park, their fans' forum discussion of the regulations pishes all over .net's discussion. Is the membership here made up entirely of midgets, or posting in the wrong formation, or is our server very bumpy after a long hard winter, or what? It's embarrassing to be so outclassed. :confused: :boo hoo:

[KWJ]

Just as Ross County pished all over us on the park, their fans' forum discussion of the regulations pishes all over .net's discussion. Is the membership here made up entirely of midgets, or posting in the wrong formation, or is our server very bumpy after a long hard winter, or what? It's embarrassing to be so outclassed. :confused: :boo hoo:

:thumbsup::faf:

So... we're still in Europe if we're 5th.

I have to admit, I thought it was the runners up all the way if the winners were in Europe but the CL position is interesting as I suppose the Yams managed that when they got 2nd and beat Gretna on pens.

[Brando7]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/2928200/Cowards-and-the-County.html


"Meanwhile, SFA chiefs have confirmed County must win the Cup or rely on Dundee United to leapfrog Celtic into second in the SPL if they are to claim a place in the Europa League qualifiers"

[Leithenhibby]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/2928200/Cowards-and-the-County.html


"Meanwhile, SFA chiefs have confirmed County must win the Cup or rely on Dundee United to leapfrog Celtic into second in the SPL if they are to claim a place in the Europa League qualifiers"


Sorted, we got there in the end..:cool2:

[Hibs On Tour]

The way I am reading that is that if Dundee Utd win the final then 5th place in SPL get Europa Cup place. If Ross County win final then they get into Europe and only 3rd and 4th spot in SPL qualify for Europa Cup.

Simples. :greengrin

Changed my mind so many times I'm ****ing dizzy! I reckon no-one here, at RC, Uefa or the SPL has any ****ing idea of who qualifies for what come season's end and it will come down to whoever does the most shouting!

[Borders Hibby]

Sorted, we got there in the end..:cool2:

Sums up the problems of Scottish Football when the League and SFA make this so unclear and confusing. Why exactly do we need two associations to do one job? Better spending the money on coaching and training facilities!:agree:

[Steve20]

Na. I read it differently. To me 5th place only gets a EL place if the final is contested by two teams already in via SPL placings. That's not the case so runner-up will get the 3rd EL place...

5th place gets into Europe if Utd win the cup.

[greenlex]

Straight from the scorrish league website!

Europa League
The competition will feature a group stage of 48 teams. The holders and the 10 teams beaten in the play-offs for the Champions League qualify automatically and are joined by 37 qualifiers. The top two from each section go through to the knock-out stage, where they are joined by the eight clubs finishing third in their Champions League group.

Scotland again have three places for 2010/11. The Scottish Cup winners have one tie to negotiate to reach the group stage as they enter at the play-off stage on August 19 & 26, the third-placed side in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League join in qualifying round three on July 29 & August 5 and the team finishing fourth come in at qualifying round two on July 15 & 22.

The fifth-placed team in the SPL will also qualify for the Europa League if the cup final is contested by two teams who have already qualified for Europe via the SPL.

The final will take place in Dublin on Wednesday May 18, 2011.
:confused:
Based on the bit in bold winning the cup gets entry into europe a stage later than third in the league. Surely Utd will grab that route to the Europa League. That would leave Ross County out of europe if Utd win the cup. If that happened then 5th place would get the third spot or am I reading too much into it. In short winning the cup is deemed higher than third in the league for euro qualification.

[seanraff07]

Na. I read it differently. To me 5th place only gets a EL place if the final is contested by two teams already in via SPL placings. That's not the case so runner-up will get the 3rd EL place...
I agree with that.

[Keith_M]

5th place gets into Europe if Utd win the cup.......


...but don't finish second (therefore qualifying for the CL).

[J-C]

Right lets see if we can clear this up.

Ross Co will only get into Europe if they......
a. win the cup.
b. Dundee U wins the cup and gets 2nd in the league.

If Dundee U wins the cup and finish 3rd, Europa spots will go to 4th and 5th in the league.

[Steve20]

...but don't finish second (therefore qualifying for the CL).

Yes, you are right. I keep forgetting they are only five behind Celtic.

[MixuMac]

According to The Scotsman there are only 2 ways for Ross County to qualify for the Europe:

1. Win the Scottish Cup
2. Dundee Utd finish second in the league and therefore go into the Champions League

If Dundee Utd finish 3rd in the league & win the cup then the place in Europe goes to 5th spot in the SPL

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/sport/Euro-spot--not-guaranteed.6219020.jp (http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/sport/Euro-spot--not-guaranteed.6219020.jp)

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/2928200/Cowards-and-the-County.html


"Meanwhile, SFA chiefs have confirmed County must win the Cup or rely on Dundee United to leapfrog Celtic into second in the SPL if they are to claim a place in the Europa League qualifiers"

i wonder if some of the posters on here that were wanting sellick to get beat on saturday are now wanting sellick to lose out on 2nd position to the arabs now ?:rolleyes: if sellick had won on saturday we wouldn't be in the position of sweating for other scenarios to go our way :grr: mind you though....that's assuming we get 4th or 5th spot :boo hoo:

[SidBurns]

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=142&newsID=5732

CONFIRMED

[Keith_M]

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=142&newsID=5732

CONFIRMED


Great!

:thumbsup:


Can we now have the thread title changed so as it's not so misleading?

[Ritchie]

i told you all this on saturday!!!!!! :grr:

:greengrin

[Hibernia Na Eir]

Take it they will use pittodrie if they qualify then?

[GreenPJ]

To make it simple - if we finish 4th we are in Europe. Doesn't matter who finishes second or who wins the cup.

[Toaods]

I hope County win the Scottish then. Would be nice to see people enjoying it for what it is and having a great adventure next season, one match or not.

Can't stand United with their lumbering giants and Yam connections.

Why should 5th place in as poor a league as we have get any reward?


'mon the County..!! :thumbsup:

[Owain_1987]

Assuming league standings remain and Dundee Utd win cup

Rangers and Celtic Champs League

Cup Win - Dundee Utd - Europa
4th Place - Hibs - Europa
5th Place - Motherwell - Europa

I think that the only way for Ross County to get into the Europa Cup would be if Dundee Utd got 2nd place or Ross County win the cup.

I think your right sure they said after last year it would be the last year the losing finalist get in to Europe.

[Woody1985]

I'm not fussed who wins the cup but it would be good for Dundee Utd since they were cheated out of the cup against Rangers.



I think your right sure they said after last year it would be the last year the losing finalist get in to Europe.

See the post #74.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...42&newsID=5732 (http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=142&newsID=5732)

[blueisthecolour]

If true what a joke, another lower league team getting in and dropping the country's coefficient points down :grr:

Look at the opposition they put out, if the opposition could have beaten them then they would be looking at helping the coefficient, but they were not good enough, so imagine what a euro team would do to teams that county beat:wink:

[JimBHibees]

Look at the opposition they put out, if the opposition could have beaten them then they would be looking at helping the coefficient, but they were not good enough, so imagine what a euro team would do to teams that county beat:wink:

Yep who could say whether they would do any better or worse than teams they have beaten in the cup run or teams that humiliate the Scottish game in Europe on an annual basis such as Rangers. :greengrin

[blueisthecolour]

Yep who could say whether they would do any better or worse than teams they have beaten in the cup run or teams that humiliate the Scottish game in Europe on an annual basis such as Rangers. :greengrin

Thats true, but when teams are humiliated in europe they then come back to scotland and win tropheys:wink: well some do:wink:

[JimBHibees]

Thats true, but when teams are humiliated in europe they then come back to scotland and win tropheys:wink: well some do:wink:

Your not wrong.