Did the rule change?

[CallumLaidlaw]

If it's a Ross/Dundee utd final, what's the euro implications?

[EH6 Hibby]

If it's a Ross/Dundee utd final, what's the euro implications?

As far as I know, the SFA wanted to change this rule but Uefa overuled them as the Cup runners up rule is the same in every country.

[nonshinyfinish]

As far as I know, the SFA wanted to change this rule but Uefa overuled them as the Cup runners up rule is the same in every country.

I seem to remember that they tried to change it but made an arse of the paperwork and so it was delayed for a year...I think it eventually went through though. :dunno:

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm sure falkirk last season were to be the last runners-up in the SC to get a spot in europe...i could be wrong(and probably am) but with ross county winning here i hope i'm right :boo hoo:

[CallumLaidlaw]

They've just said on the radio that Ross are now in Europe. Let's hope it's a "BBC sport understands...."

[cabbageandribs1875]

confirmed ross county will be in europe if the arabs win tomorow

[hibee_girl]

They've just said on the radio that Ross are now in Europe. Let's hope it's a "BBC sport understands...."

That's assuming that D Utd make the final though.

[EH6 Hibby]

They've just said on the radio that Ross are now in Europe. Let's hope it's a "BBC sport understands...."


I'm certain that the SFA were told it wasn't their decision to make as it's the same in all European Countries.

I know this is only Wikipedia, but it seems to agree with the BBC.

European qualification
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Barcelona_vs_Rangers_2.jpg/250px-Barcelona_vs_Rangers_2.jpg (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/File:Barcelona_vs_Rangers_2.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/File:Barcelona_vs_Rangers_2.jpg)
Rangers playing FC Barcelona (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/FC_Barcelona) at the Camp Nou (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Camp_Nou) in the 2007–08 Champions League (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League_2007%E2%80%9308)


The Scottish Premier League is currently thirteenth in UEFA's co-efficient (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/UEFA_coefficients) ranking, meaning that for the 2010–11 season, two SPL clubs will qualify for the UEFA Champions League (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League) (the SPL champions, who enter the third qualifying round for champions (unless the defending champions have already qualified to the group stages, in which case the SPL champions will enter the group stages directly), and the runner-up, who enter the third qualifying round for non-champions) as well as two qualifying for the UEFA Europa League (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/UEFA_Cup) (the third and fourth placed clubs). The winners of the Scottish Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Scottish_Cup) also qualify for the UEFA Europa League.
If the Scottish Cup winners have qualified for the UEFA Champions League (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/UEFA_Champions_League), the final UEFA Europa League place is given to the runner-up. Clubs also had the opportunity to apply for qualification to the UEFA Intertoto Cup (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/UEFA_Intertoto_Cup) before it was folded into the Europa League; qualification for that event was given to the highest placed applicant, although only two clubs chose to play in the tournament since the SPL's inception in 1998–99 (Dundee in 2001 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/UEFA_Intertoto_Cup_2001) and Hibernian in 2004 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/UEFA_Intertoto_Cup_2004), 2006 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/UEFA_Intertoto_Cup_2006) and 2008 (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/UEFA_Intertoto_Cup_2008)). Clubs may also qualify for Europe via the UEFA Fair Play ranking (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/UEFA_Fair_Play_ranking).

[Speedy]

They've just said on the radio that Ross are now in Europe. Let's hope it's a "BBC sport understands...."

Not if Raith win the cup :wink:

[Aitchy]

Seems if United finish third and win the cup the cup runners-up don't go into Europe. If United finish second (and therefore qualify for the Champions League) and win the cup the cup runners-up do go into Europe.

[Ritchie]

Seems if United finish third and win the cup the cup runners-up don't go into Europe. If United finish second (and therefore qualify for the Champions League) and win the cup the cup runners-up do go into Europe.

That is correct

[lyonhibs]

Seems if United finish third and win the cup the cup runners-up don't go into Europe. If United finish second (and therefore qualify for the Champions League) and win the cup the cup runners-up do go into Europe.

But was that rule change given the go ahead by FIFA or not? The SFA - after the usual bumbling incompetence with late paper work - certainly wanted to make this change, but did it go through?

[jgl07]

We are going all around the houses on this issue.

Firstly the rules have not changed. The attempt was knocked back by UEFA because they were keen to recognize the importance of the national cup competition not due to incorrect paperwork by the SFA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Cup

Secondly Ross County will only be in european competition if they win the SFA Cup or if they are beaten by Dundee United and they also displace Celtic for second in the SPL.

Radio Scotland got this wrong earlier.

The rules are that the winner of the SFA Cup will enter the EUROPA League UNLESS they have qualified for the Champions' League in which case it goes to the beaten finalist.

This has happened lots of times recently with Falkirk, Queen of the South, Dunfermline, Gretna all getting in by the back door.

[Gala Foxes]

on the 2 games against us and 1 against celtic they are better equipped for europe than us

[Hibernian Verse]

What Jgl said. Dundee Utd have to finish 2nd or Ross County win the cup for that to happen.