Falkirk ban young fans from buying bovril

[Bayern Bru]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/03/19/falkirk-ban-young-fans-from-buying-hot-drinks-over-health-and-safety-fears-86908-22123218/

Can't decide if this is, in principle, a good idea or whether it's absolutely mad.
I understand the dangers of hot drinks but this seems a bit ridiculous...

[GlesgaeHibby]

Absolute farce. Accidents happen. Most kids from a fairly young age know to be careful with hot drinks.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Absolute madness, based on fear of what might happen, rather than any evidence to suggest that this is a problem.

It's time that people were asked to justify these decisions based on a genuine risk assessment, rather than a feeling that something might happen. There has to be positive risk taking in life or we are going to die out as a species.

[CropleyWasGod]

Absolute madness, based on fear of what might happen, rather than any evidence to suggest that this is a problem.

It's time that people were asked to justify these decisions based on a genuine risk assessment, rather than a feeling that something might happen. There has to be positive risk taking in life or we are going to die out as a species.

Please point out the positives in taking Bovril.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Please point out the positives in taking Bovril.

:hmmm:

[lapsedhibee]

Please point out the positives in taking Bovril.

Makes anything else you ever drink afterwards - even a bad pint - seem really good? :dunno:

[Pretty Boy]

Given that most bovril i have ever bought in football stadiums is lukewarm at best i fail to see how there was a risk of burning in the first place.

[Scouse Hibee]

What nonsense, putting it in a cup with a top and labeling it with a hot drink warning is going far enough.

What next? Lets ban the sale of pies at ER becuase I nearly choked on the grisel! :greengrin

[Keith_M]

It's Political Correctness gone mad!


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I've always wanted to say that.

:wink:

[Speedway]

Ban Studs on football boots. There's a real risk of injury if you get caught by one of them.

[Sir David Gray]

It's Political Correctness gone mad!


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I've always wanted to say that.

:wink:

You say that in jest but it's true.

That is absolutely ludicrous. All these rules that keep getting made up are just a complete nonsense and the people who make them can hide behind the old chestnut of "Health and Safety" in order to justify their decision.

Basically what they are saying is, a 14 or 15 year old can't decide for themselves if something is too hot and decide that maybe they should wait a few minutes until it cools down a bit before they attempt to eat it.

Falkirk should be embarrassed by this.

[CropleyWasGod]

You say that in jest but it's true.

That is absolutely ludicrous. All these rules that keep getting made up are just a complete nonsense and the people who make them can hide behind the old chestnut of "Health and Safety" in order to justify their decision.

.

It's not really H and S. It's fear of litigation.

[Bayern Bru]

I should point out it's not just bovril, I just wanted a snappy title for the thread.

That said, whatever hot drink it is, even if it was a flagon of mead, it's ridiculous.
:agree:

[Pretty Boy]

You say that in jest but it's true.

That is absolutely ludicrous. All these rules that keep getting made up are just a complete nonsense and the people who make them can hide behind the old chestnut of "Health and Safety" in order to justify their decision.

Basically what they are saying is, a 14 or 15 year old can't decide for themselves if something is too hot and decide that maybe they should wait a few minutes until it cools down a bit before they attempt to eat it.

Falkirk should be embarrassed by this.

It's not really PC gone mad or health and safety though.

The fact is British society has become more 'Americanised' with regards to claiming compensation for injuries. You only have to watch the TV to see dozens of adverts for compensation specialist lawyers. All it takes is one individual to scald themselves with their hot drink and claim the top was put on incorrectly or their was no warning that it was hot and a good lawyer will win them their case.

This may be a bit over the top but it is the blame culture in society as a whole that is causing such rules and not the non existent 'PC brigade' that is predicatably dragged up when stories like this appear.

[Sir David Gray]

It's not really H and S. It's fear of litigation.

Why would someone, who has taken the decision to buy a hot drink, take out a lawsuit against Falkirk FC for selling them a hot drink?

That would just be silly and any right-minded judge would tell the claimant where to go.

[Sir David Gray]

It's not really PC gone mad or health and safety though.

The fact is British society has become more 'Americanised' with regards to claiming compensation for injuries. You only have to watch the TV to see dozens of adverts for compensation specialist lawyers. All it takes is one individual to scald themselves with their hot drink and claim the top was put on incorrectly or their was no warning that it was hot and a good lawyer will win them their case.

This may be a bit over the top but it is the blame culture in society as a whole that is causing such rules and not the non existent 'PC brigade' that is predicatably dragged up when stories like this appear.

If that is the case then why not ban the sale of hot drinks in football grounds to all supporters? I don't think a 15 year old is any more likely to spill a bovril on themselves than a 45 year old.

[CropleyWasGod]

Why would someone, who has taken the decision to buy a hot drink, take out a lawsuit against Falkirk FC for selling them a hot drink?

That would just be silly and any right-minded judge would tell the claimant where to go.

Apocryphal or not, a cautionary tale....

Woman in the States washes her poodle. Can't be bothered drying it, so puts it in the microwave. Dog dies. Woman sues company. Woman wins. Why? 'Cos the instructions for the microwave did not say "do not put your pet in the microwave".

Extreme? Yep.

Can't happen here? Debatable... why do Macdonalds put "be careful. Pie filling may be hot."??

[Removed]

Extreme? Yep.

Can't happen here? Debatable... why do Macdonalds put "be careful. Pie filling may be hot."??

:agree: or on packets of peanuts

"Warning: may contain nuts"

[therealgavmac]

I stopped in a BP garage and bought a coffee from one of their Coffee Bean cafes. Now, the guy was handing me my coffee and putting the top on, I said please leave it off as I'm going to put sugar in it - and the sugar was about 9 inches to my right and he said "Sorry - not allowed - I've gotta put the top on then if you burn yourself taking it off to put sugar in then that's not our fault"

:grr::grr::grr:PETRIE!:grr::grr::grr:

BTW - I am head of H&S where I work :duck:

[Pretty Boy]

If that is the case then why not ban the sale of hot drinks in football grounds to all supporters? I don't think a 15 year old is any more likely to spill a bovril on themselves than a 45 year old.

I have no idea as i didn't make up the rule.

The simple fact is that in this country people are becoming more and more likely to sue. Falkirk have had 2 instances recently were youngsters have scalded themselves with hot drinks and have decided to take action. If they did nothing and another 2 or 3 people got injured you would inevitably get the sensationalist 'why was nothing done earlier?' headlines in the papers.

[Bayern Bru]

The thing is though, there's nothing to stop adults from buying hot drinks and then giving them to their kids. So what happens then? Does the adult become culpable if anything happens?

[Phil D. Rolls]

You say that in jest but it's true.

That is absolutely ludicrous. All these rules that keep getting made up are just a complete nonsense and the people who make them can hide behind the old chestnut of "Health and Safety" in order to justify their decision.

Basically what they are saying is, a 14 or 15 year old can't decide for themselves if something is too hot and decide that maybe they should wait a few minutes until it cools down a bit before they attempt to eat it.

Falkirk should be embarrassed by this.

I can't see how this is an example of political correctness. It's a Health and Safety matter, which is a different cup of meat altogether.

Decisions like this make a mockery of all the good work that has been done on H&S in recent years.

[Golden Bear]

Why would someone, who has taken the decision to buy a hot drink, take out a lawsuit against Falkirk FC for selling them a hot drink?

That would just be silly and any right-minded judge would tell the claimant where to go.

Exactly.

The trouble is that all too many of our judges are not right-minded.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Exactly.

The trouble is that all too many of our judges are not right-minded.

Unfortunately there was a case in the states where some woman sued McDonalds because they hadn't labelled a coffee cup with a warning that it could be hot.

In hospitals now you'll often come across a sign next to geysers saying "Warning: Hot Water May be Hot". I kid you not.

Too many lawyers. It used to be if you fell and hurt yourself you'd have a red face and hope that no-one saw you making an eejit of yourself. Now you phone Claims Direct before you even get up.

[Brummie_Hibs]

Was there not something in the last couple of years where the Americans were trying to get FIFA to make 'soccer' players wear helmets to protect them from the dangers of heading the ball?

[Golden Bear]

Unfortunately there was a case in the states where some woman sued McDonalds because they hadn't labelled a coffee cup with a warning that it could be hot.

In hospitals now you'll often come across a sign next to geysers saying "Warning: Hot Water May be Hot". I kid you not.

Too many lawyers. It used to be if you fell and hurt yourself you'd have a red face and hope that no-one saw you making an eejit of yourself. Now you phone Claims Direct before you even get up.

:agree:

And far too many Law firms advertising their services on a "no win, no fee" basis. That's a charter for chancers if ever there was.

[Brando7]

:agree:

And far too many Law firms advertising their services on a "no win, no fee" basis. That's a charter for chancers if ever there was.

Surely they companies will pick n choose what claims to deal with to reduce the risk of them getting no fee if they lose, they are a buisness after all & wouldnt spent time of a case they know is stupid

[iwasthere1972]

Absolute farce. Accidents happen. Most kids from a fairly young age know to be careful with hot drinks.

On a health and safety note I hope they've also banned them from buying pizzas and pies

Probably not.

I tell you...the world has gone crazy.

[NOLA]

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Can't decide if this is, in principle, a good idea or whether it's absolutely mad.
I understand the dangers of hot drinks but this seems a bit ridiculous...

pretty sure young kids wouldn't touch Bovril with a bargepole! i hated it until i tried it again in my late twenties!

[mixumatosis]

Absolute madness, based on fear of what might happen, rather than any evidence to suggest that this is a problem.

It's time that people were asked to justify these decisions based on a genuine risk assessment, rather than a feeling that something might happen. There has to be positive risk taking in life or we are going to die out as a species.

To me, this is part of the problem. Individuals/companies are now obliged to complete a risk assessment for any possible set of circumstances where an individual could come to harm. It doesn't take a genius to work out that wherever there are people, there's potential for them to come to harm, so it's a self fulfilling prophecy.


Surely they companies will pick n choose what claims to deal with to reduce the risk of them getting no fee if they lose, they are a buisness after all & wouldnt spent time of a case they know is stupid

They will, but the point is that the law and common sense are not happy bedfellows. They are pursuing cases which they believe they can win and they are advertising heavily to attract cases where blame can be proved, however spuriously or however much you or I might think the blame lies with the individual. The more they advertise the more people think "I might have a case". The more people they represent the more precedents get set, the more precedents that get set the more lawyers can exploit the precedents.

[hibsdaft]

You say that in jest but it's true.

bovril - very political :agree::agree:

[Dashing Bob S]

Well done Falkirk. Great to see at least one club standing up against the scalding tide of hot drinks and adolescent spillage.

[greenginger]

I have no idea as i didn't make up the rule.

The simple fact is that in this country people are becoming more and more likely to sue. Falkirk have had 2 instances recently were youngsters have scalded themselves with hot drinks and have decided to take action. If they did nothing and another 2 or 3 people got injured you would inevitably get the sensationalist 'why was nothing done earlier?' headlines in the papers.


Ah, But what's the chances of a kid sueing because he suffered from frost-bite or hypothermia because he could'nt get a hot drink during a game in mid winter ? :greengrin

[Jonnyboy]

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/03/19/falkirk-ban-young-fans-from-buying-hot-drinks-over-health-and-safety-fears-86908-22123218/

Can't decide if this is, in principle, a good idea or whether it's absolutely mad.
I understand the dangers of hot drinks but this seems a bit ridiculous...

If they're worried about the health of their fans they should ban them from buying season tickets :wink:

[weonlywon6-2]

Absolute madness, based on fear of what might happen, rather than any evidence to suggest that this is a problem.

It's time that people were asked to justify these decisions based on a genuine risk assessment, rather than a feeling that something might happen. There has to be positive risk taking in life or we are going to die out as a species.

i take it cups with lids is to much to ask ????

[Moulin Yarns]

Maybe Falkirk just don't want to end up in hot water :duck:

In the office I work in, there are all these signs in the toilets abot washing your hands, stop the spread of germs, etc. but then they fitted anti-scald valves to the hot water and now we get a dribble of lukewarm water which any self respecting germ will thrive in. The did leave the "warning hot water" signs though so at least we know :grr:

[Phil D. Rolls]

:agree:

And far too many Law firms advertising their services on a "no win, no fee" basis. That's a charter for chancers if ever there was.

My mate had a drunk woman in the back of his cab. She fell on the floor. He helped her up and into her house. The next day he got a call from the Polis, as she had made a complaint. She was going to sue until it was pointed out that there were signs all over the cab saying please wear a seat belt.

Just shows you the mentality around though. There are people so desperate for cash they are pursuing anything that might be a claim.

The same thing goes in hospitals. There are people who are just waiting for you to make any mistake so they can get onto their lawyer. They have a team of advisers (their family and friends) who can appraise the situation and tell them their rights if they are too ill themselves.

People wonder why H&S has become such a massive part of NHS culture. Take the example of the off duty nurse who gave a guy CPR in the street, and broke his ribs in the process. She saved his life, but he sued her. The judge pointed out that if she hadn't broken his ribs he wouldn't be suing anybody.

As a result, nurses are advised not to give first aid on the street. Although it isn't part of their training, they are deemed to have a greater duty of care than the average Joe saving a life.

The problem is that there is always some plooky scheister lawyer who is desperately chasing a buck, that will take on a case no matter how stupid it is. The law is paralysing this country.

[97hills]

You say that in jest but it's true.

That is absolutely ludicrous. All these rules that keep getting made up are just a complete nonsense and the people who make them can hide behind the old chestnut of "Health and Safety" in order to justify their decision.

Basically what they are saying is, a 14 or 15 year old can't decide for themselves if something is too hot and decide that maybe they should wait a few minutes until it cools down a bit before they attempt to eat it.

Falkirk should be embarrassed by this.

I think you're confusing political correctness with health and safety regulations. One of them gave women the vote, elected a black president etc. The other is very different!!