Media John Cronin released [Archive]

CropleyWasGod

17-03-2010, 01:34 PM

as it says in the title.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/03/17/police-s-fears-as-incurable-sex-beast-john-cronin-is-released-from-prison-86908-22116885/ (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/03/17/police-s-fears-as-incurable-sex-beast-john-cronin-is-released-from-prison-86908-22116885/)

Without getting involved in the debate about should he/shouldn't he, those first few paragraphs have got to be a wind-up. It's like a p*ss take of a Mills and Boon novel. I almost expected to read that he was wringing his hands like Les Dawson doing "nickers, knackers, nodgers".

J-C

17-03-2010, 01:41 PM

Without getting involved in the debate about should he/shouldn't he, those first few paragraphs have got to be a wind-up. It's like a p*ss take of a Mills and Boon novel. I almost expected to read that he was wringing his hands like Les Dawson doing "nickers, knackers, nodgers".

I read the paper at the gym today, they had followed him and were taking pictures of him watching women in a phone booth, they were printed in the paper, Psychologist said he's incurable and the police are being very cautious as to his movements.

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17-03-2010, 02:51 PM

I read the paper at the gym today, they had followed him and were taking pictures of him watching women in a phone booth, they were printed in the paper, Psychologist said he's incurable and the police are being very cautious as to his movements.

The report may be melodramatic, but Cronin's a seriously dangerous individual, and IMO should never have been released.

khib70

17-03-2010, 02:56 PM

The report may be melodramatic, but Cronin's a seriously dangerous individual, and IMO should never have been released.
True. You may recall it better than me, but didn't he once himself state that he was incurable and shouldn't be let loose?

And presumably there's no official requirement for his movements to be monitored by someone more responsible than the Daily Record?

Hibbie_Cameron

17-03-2010, 03:18 PM

The last time he was released all the tv cameras and alot of locals were standing outside the family home, despite the fact i dont think he has stayed here in Tranent for years

.Sean.

17-03-2010, 07:03 PM

I'll round up the Haddy troops and we can swagger along to the Big T to greet the ***** :take that

MikeyStewartsMa

17-03-2010, 07:44 PM

I worked with his father who was one weird scary guy.

JennaFletcher

17-03-2010, 11:48 PM

Allant1981

18-03-2010, 01:42 AM

I'm sure there will be someone on here soon defending the guy and saying that its correct he should be released, similar to another thread which is going on just now

rainman

18-03-2010, 06:01 AM

He's obviously a creep but if I had been in jail with a bunch of dudes then I dare say i'd be checking out women that walked past as well.

In fact, I do that now.

Steve-O

18-03-2010, 06:23 AM

He's obviously a creep but if I had been in jail with a bunch of dudes then I dare say i'd be checking out women that walked past as well.

In fact, I do that now.

Exactly. Lets not that get in the way of the usual 'throw away the key' solution to every offence that is favoured on Hibs.Net though!!

J-C

18-03-2010, 08:01 AM

I'm sure there will be someone on here soon defending the guy and saying that its correct he should be released, similar to another thread which is going on just now

Thing is he was charged and given a sentence which he has now served, so he's entitled to be released, problem being is he and the psychologist have both said he's incurable, so just how long will it take for him to re offend. I'm sur the police will be tracking his movements closely as he's proven in the past to be a dangerous vicious individual and a strong sexual predator.

If he has psychological problems which stop him from being a normal member of society and makes him dangerous, then why is he not remanded in a metal institution for his and womens safety.

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Exactly. Lets not that get in the way of the usual 'throw away the key' solution to every offence that is favoured on Hibs.Net though!!

Unfortunately there are certain people in this world where locking them up is the only answer and Cronin is one of these people.

MSK

18-03-2010, 08:13 AM

Thing is he was charged and given a sentence which he has now served, so he's entitled to be released, problem being is he and the psychologist have both said he's incurable, so just how long will it take for him to re offend. I'm sur the police will be tracking his movements closely as he's proven in the past to be a dangerous vicious individual and a strong sexual predator.

If he has psychological problems which stop him from being a normal member of society and makes him dangerous, then why is he not remanded in a metal institution for his and womens safety.

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Unfortunately there are certain people in this world where locking them up is the only answer and Cronin is one of these people.With this guys previous & obvious potential to re-offend i am really surprised that he has not, at the very least been sectioned in a Forensic unit such as the Orchard clinic at the Royal Ed..

hibsbollah

18-03-2010, 08:22 AM

***** :take that

That word again. Its everywhere:greengrin

Hank Schrader

18-03-2010, 08:30 AM

I'll round up the Haddy troops and we can swagger along to the Big T to greet the ***** :take that

You're da man :aok:

ArabHibee

18-03-2010, 09:37 AM

Thing is he was charged and given a sentence which he has now served, so he's entitled to be released, problem being is he and the psychologist have both said he's incurable, so just how long will it take for him to re offend. I'm sur the police will be tracking his movements closely as he's proven in the past to be a dangerous vicious individual and a strong sexual predator.

If he has psychological problems which stop him from being a normal member of society and makes him dangerous, then why is he not remanded in a metal institution for his and womens safety.

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Unfortunately there are certain people in this world where locking them up is the only answer and Cronin is one of these people.

:agree: Good post. Although, I think he would be better off in a mental (http://www.castmetals.com/) institution. :wink:

Beefster

18-03-2010, 10:50 AM

I'll round up the Haddy troops and we can swagger along to the Big T to greet the ***** :take that

Folk from Haddington are allowed into Tranent these days?

J-C

18-03-2010, 01:24 PM

:agree: Good post. Although, I think he would be better off in a mental (http://www.castmetals.com/) institution. :wink:

Must remember and check my spelling mistooks.:greengrin

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18-03-2010, 02:37 PM

So the psychiatrist brands him incurable and he's been released to lurk around the streets freely again?

I'm all for rehabilitation but some people are difficult cases and hard (if not impossible) to reform.

Photos in press show him hanging around a phone booth staring at women as they go past... how long will it be before he offends again? And which idiot will take the blame for it?

IIRC there was a case a few years back of a (female) solicitor who had discovered a loophole in the law that stated that if the guy's condition is treatable he could be kept in hospital (in this case the State Hospital Carstairs) until his condition has been cured. But if he's not treatable, he has to be released on completion of his sentence.

In other words, evil but treatable - keep him banged up; evil and untreatable - let him loose. A Scottish version of Catch-22, in fact.

She managed to get one of her murderous clients released before the loophole was closed. The psychopath (clinical term for his condition - not pejorative epithet) in question moved to North-East England and has not as yet been reported as re-offending.... The phrase "ticking time-bomb" comes to mind.

I thought that the Scottish Government at the time (Justice Minister was Jim Wallace IIRC) had plugged this loophole. However, since Cronin wasn't in Carstairs, I suppose he's served his sentence and is now elegible for release on licence. His legal right - which no doubt his conscientious and diligent legal agent will defend to the death. Unfortunately, that death is quite likely to be someone else's, not Cronins, nor his conscientious and diligent legal agent's.

I believe that the process is almost complete whereby THIS nice gentleman will soon be free and possibly living in a house near YOU...

Or you...

Or you....

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/02/24/exclusive-widow-of-nurse-butchered-by-robert-mone-and-thomas-mcculloch-insists-they-must-never-be-freed-86908-21148393/

.Sean.

18-03-2010, 04:51 PM

Folk from Haddington are allowed into Tranent these days?
Yep, there aren't really any problems with the two towns. Infact, two of my best mates are 'Belters.' I could go out in Tranent and get no hassle whatsoever, vice versa a Tranenter coming here.

Jonnyboy

18-03-2010, 09:34 PM

Exactly. Lets not that get in the way of the usual 'throw away the key' solution to every offence that is favoured on Hibs.Net though!!

Or indeed the 'had a tough upbringing and is from a single parent disadvantaged family' excuse :wink:

hibsbollah

18-03-2010, 09:37 PM

Exactly. Lets not that get in the way of the usual 'throw away the key' solution to every offence that is favoured on Hibs.Net though!!

...or the 'its not his fault, he's been drinking Chateau Lafite and eating goose liver pate in Ukraine during his formative years' excuse:agree:

Being rich is no excuse:grr::cool2:

Steve-O

19-03-2010, 07:14 AM

Or indeed the 'had a tough upbringing and is from a single parent disadvantaged family' excuse :wink:

Incorrect usage of wordage :wink:

Jonnyboy

19-03-2010, 11:20 AM

Incorrect usage of wordage :wink:

I think not :wink:

lapsedhibee

19-03-2010, 11:20 AM

If he has psychological problems which stop him from being a normal member of society and makes him dangerous, then why is he not remanded in a metal institution

I think he would be better off in a mental (http://www.castmetals.com/) institution. :wink:

:tsk tsk: Not many people - and even fewer from north of Perth - know that what we call mental institutions grew out of the original metal institutions which were established in the 19th century to care for hatters and others who had been damaged by coming into contact with the dangerous metal mercury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_poisoning) at their workplace. The greatest chaos in these institutions for the metally damaged was at communal mealtimes, and this historical fact was generally, though perhaps erroneously, thought to be the inspiration for Lewis Carroll's 'Mad Tea Party'.

Jonnyboy

19-03-2010, 11:28 AM

:tsk tsk: Not many people - and even fewer from north of Perth - know that what we call mental institutions grew out of the original metal institutions which were established in the 19th century to care for hatters and others who had been damaged by coming into contact with the dangerous metal mercury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_poisoning) at their workplace. The greatest chaos in these institutions for the metally damaged was at communal mealtimes, and this historical fact was generally, though perhaps erroneously, thought to be the inspiration for Lewis Carroll's 'Mad Tea Party'.

Hence the expression 'Mad as a Hatter' which I believe infuriates fans of Luton Town :greengrin

J-C

19-03-2010, 12:52 PM

:tsk tsk: Not many people - and even fewer from north of Perth - know that what we call mental institutions grew out of the original metal institutions which were established in the 19th century to care for hatters and others who had been damaged by coming into contact with the dangerous metal mercury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_poisoning) at their workplace. The greatest chaos in these institutions for the metally damaged was at communal mealtimes, and this historical fact was generally, though perhaps erroneously, thought to be the inspiration for Lewis Carroll's 'Mad Tea Party'.

It was a little typo error on my part, don't know if you're taking the pee, will have to google it. :greengrin

Well b***** me you're right.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_does_the_saying_'mad_as_a_hatter'_come_from

JennaFletcher

19-03-2010, 01:11 PM

IIRC there was a case a few years back of a (female) solicitor who had discovered a loophole in the law that stated that if the guy's condition is treatable he could be kept in hospital (in this case the State Hospital Carstairs) until his condition has been cured. But if he's not treatable, he has to be released on completion of his sentence.

In other words, evil but treatable - keep him banged up; evil and untreatable - let him loose. A Scottish version of Catch-22, in fact.

She managed to get one of her murderous clients released before the loophole was closed. The psychopath (clinical term for his condition - not pejorative epithet) in question moved to North-East England and has not as yet been reported as re-offending.... The phrase "ticking time-bomb" comes to mind.

I thought that the Scottish Government at the time (Justice Minister was Jim Wallace IIRC) had plugged this loophole. However, since Cronin wasn't in Carstairs, I suppose he's served his sentence and is now elegible for release on licence. His legal right - which no doubt his conscientious and diligent legal agent will defend to the death. Unfortunately, that death is quite likely to be someone else's, not Cronins, nor his conscientious and diligent legal agent's.

I believe that the process is almost complete whereby THIS nice gentleman will soon be free and possibly living in a house near YOU...

Or you...

Or you....

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/02/24/exclusive-widow-of-nurse-butchered-by-robert-mone-and-thomas-mcculloch-insists-they-must-never-be-freed-86908-21148393/

But surely if they are evil and incurable, then they are a danger and a threat to public? Obviously keeping them monitored behind bars or in some sort of similar environment seems like a safer option?

Thanks for your post though, didn't know about this loophole! Seems a bit dodgey for me.

Oh and Cronin is seriously the type of guy you just see on the street and instantly walk faster... :worried:

EuanH78

20-03-2010, 01:13 AM

IIRC there was a case a few years back of a (female) solicitor who had discovered a loophole in the law that stated that if the guy's condition is treatable he could be kept in hospital (in this case the State Hospital Carstairs) until his condition has been cured. But if he's not treatable, he has to be released on completion of his sentence.

In other words, evil but treatable - keep him banged up; evil and untreatable - let him loose. A Scottish version of Catch-22, in fact.

She managed to get one of her murderous clients released before the loophole was closed. The psychopath (clinical term for his condition - not pejorative epithet) in question moved to North-East England and has not as yet been reported as re-offending.... The phrase "ticking time-bomb" comes to mind.

I thought that the Scottish Government at the time (Justice Minister was Jim Wallace IIRC) had plugged this loophole. However, since Cronin wasn't in Carstairs, I suppose he's served his sentence and is now elegible for release on licence. His legal right - which no doubt his conscientious and diligent legal agent will defend to the death. Unfortunately, that death is quite likely to be someone else's, not Cronins, nor his conscientious and diligent legal agent's.

I believe that the process is almost complete whereby THIS nice gentleman will soon be free and possibly living in a house near YOU...

Or you...

Or you....

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/02/24/exclusive-widow-of-nurse-butchered-by-robert-mone-and-thomas-mcculloch-insists-they-must-never-be-freed-86908-21148393/

Is it possible he was convicted before the loophole was closed and it cant be applied to convictions retrospectively? I genuinely don't know but I would suspect that is the case.

Steve-O

20-03-2010, 08:59 AM

I think not :wink:

I think yes.

Clearly, 'factor' and 'excuse' have been mixed up.

Jonnyboy

21-03-2010, 06:57 PM

I think yes.

Clearly, 'factor' and 'excuse' have been mixed up.

I accept it could be either.

Factor when it suits - as in defendants being found guilty and their lawyers deciding to introduce the 'difficult background' into proceedings in an effort to gain a lighter sentence.

Excuse when being caught red handed leaves guilty parties with no other form of defence

Steve-O

22-03-2010, 06:18 AM

I accept it could be either.

Factor when it suits - as in defendants being found guilty and their lawyers deciding to introduce the 'difficult background' into proceedings in an effort to gain a lighter sentence.

Excuse when being caught red handed leaves guilty parties with no other form of defence

It's called mitigation. Clearly Judges and Courts need background material before issuing a sentence?

I'd certainly rather a system where each case was based on it's own merits than completely black and white.

Besides, I don't believe coming from a poor background reduces sentences. I've certainly never seen it in any sentencing notes I have ever read.

Jonnyboy

22-03-2010, 12:08 PM

It's called mitigation. Clearly Judges and Courts need background material before issuing a sentence?

I'd certainly rather a system where each case was based on it's own merits than completely black and white.

Besides, I don't believe coming from a poor background reduces sentences. I've certainly never seen it in any sentencing notes I have ever read.

You're right Steve in saying that mitigating circumstances should be presented but my point is that say a person is tried and convicted for stabbing someone in a fight outside a pub. What relevance is there in that person's defence lawyer saying his client comes from a deprived background/upbringing? It's not relevant to the crime and yet it's trotted out in the hope that some judge/sheriff will hand out a more lenient sentence. That's why I used the word 'excuse' in my earlier post

Steve-O

23-03-2010, 05:29 AM

You're right Steve in saying that mitigating circumstances should be presented but my point is that say a person is tried and convicted for stabbing someone in a fight outside a pub. What relevance is there in that person's defence lawyer saying his client comes from a deprived background/upbringing? It's not relevant to the crime and yet it's trotted out in the hope that some judge/sheriff will hand out a more lenient sentence. That's why I used the word 'excuse' in my earlier post

I don't believe that Judges, for the most part, take this into consideration in terms of the sentence.

I would say there is some relevance too, because the Judge needs to know the whole picture before considering a sentence.

Additionally, part of the sentence would be aimed at getting the person AWAY from said background via programmes in prison etc, so this information is important.

Jonnyboy

23-03-2010, 10:03 PM

I don't believe that Judges, for the most part, take this into consideration in terms of the sentence.

I would say there is some relevance too, because the Judge needs to know the whole picture before considering a sentence.

Additionally, part of the sentence would be aimed at getting the person AWAY from said background via programmes in prison etc, so this information is important.

If you don't believe Judges for the most part don't take these things into consideration why do you think defence lawyers trip it out almost without exception though Steve?

Steve-O

24-03-2010, 05:53 AM

If you don't believe Judges for the most part don't take these things into consideration why do you think defence lawyers trip it out almost without exception though Steve?

Do they though? I'm not entirely sure they do?

Defence lawyers have to try all they can. Clearly, depending on specific circumstances, background or current lifestyle could have a bearing on the offending.

Like the example you said, I think someone from a poorer background would be more likely to be stabbing someone outside a pub than someone from a good background.

However, in that instance, I agree that it has little to do with the act itself, and I don't think a Judge would give a discount because of it.

J-C

24-03-2010, 08:58 AM

Do they though? I'm not entirely sure they do?

Defence lawyers have to try all they can. Clearly, depending on specific circumstances, background or current lifestyle could have a bearing on the offending.

Like the example you said, I think someone from a poorer background would be more likely to be stabbing someone outside a pub than someone from a good background.

However, in that instance, I agree that it has little to do with the act itself, and I don't think a Judge would give a discount because of it.

Picture the scenario.....
1st defendant comes froma privilaged background, all needs in life are met and he decides to murder his father for money.
2nd defendant comes from a poor background, where he's abused and froma broken home, he also kills his father, not for money but due to the abuse.
Who will be given the lighter sentence, both commit murder, both admit guilt..?????

Jonnyboy

24-03-2010, 07:20 PM

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24-03-2010, 07:24 PM

Is it possible he was convicted before the loophole was closed and it cant be applied to convictions retrospectively? I genuinely don't know but I would suspect that is the case.

I think he was simply sentenced to jail rather than being sectioned.

The guy is a rape looking for a place to happen.

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24-03-2010, 07:26 PM

I suspect they do, more often than not.

It may very well weigh with the juries as well, JB.

Steve-O

25-03-2010, 05:52 AM

Picture the scenario.....
1st defendant comes froma privilaged background, all needs in life are met and he decides to murder his father for money.
2nd defendant comes from a poor background, where he's abused and froma broken home, he also kills his father, not for money but due to the abuse.
Who will be given the lighter sentence, both commit murder, both admit guilt..?????

And you don't think the 2nd person deserves a lesser sentence considering they are reacting to an apparent lifetime of abuse from the victim?

Bad Martini

25-03-2010, 07:47 PM

The problem with this ****ing country right now:

"He was sentenced to life but his term was cut to six years on appeal."

Says it all apart from...

"He does not have to register as a sex offender because the requirement was created after his offence."

So they KNOW he is a pervert and rapist yet, he's NOT on this bloody register. That said, its useless anyway given its not properly enforced.

Should've cut off his gonads and made him eat them.

J-C

25-03-2010, 09:11 PM

And you don't think the 2nd person deserves a lesser sentence considering they are reacting to an apparent lifetime of abuse from the victim?

Surely if both were premeditated, circumstances have nothing to do with it. If the abused victim acted in the heat of the moment, then that's a different matter but we're talking premeditated.

Steve-O

26-03-2010, 05:55 AM

Surely if both were premeditated, circumstances have nothing to do with it. If the abused victim acted in the heat of the moment, then that's a different matter but we're talking premeditated.

Sorry, I disagree.

If you've been abused your whole life, and then tell yourself you've had enough, and kill them, then I think you deserve a lesser sentence than someone who has killed for sheer financial gain.

Judges seem to think the same.

J-C

26-03-2010, 09:51 AM

Sorry, I disagree.

If you've been abused your whole life, and then tell yourself you've had enough, and kill them, then I think you deserve a lesser sentence than someone who has killed for sheer financial gain.

Judges seem to think the same.

Ok then same scenario but both people have been abused but the rich one only mental abuse not physical.
I gaurantee the defense councils will be the same but the judge would look at the rich guy thinking he had a better life and upbringing and therfore is treated differently.
Just my opinion like.

Steve-O

26-03-2010, 10:04 AM

Ok then same scenario but both people have been abused but the rich one only mental abuse not physical.
I gaurantee the defense councils will be the same but the judge would look at the rich guy thinking he had a better life and upbringing and therfore is treated differently.
Just my opinion like.

But you've changed the scenarios to both being abused now? So have I proved my point? :greengrin

I can see what you're getting at, but motive HAS to be taken into account by Judges.

And whatever that motive happens to be, the sentence could go either way.

J-C

26-03-2010, 10:37 AM

But you've changed the scenarios to both being abused now? So have I proved my point? :greengrin

I can see what you're getting at, but motive HAS to be taken into account by Judges.

And whatever that motive happens to be, the sentence could go either way.

I can see your point, I just feel the guy with the privilaged background will always get the bigger sentence due to this, also his education satus will be better, hence he should be less likely to do what he did by not blaming society, his lack of education and poor upbringing.