Dubai kissing couple

[Pretty Boy]

Was having a look at the 'newspapers' at work the other day and had a read about the couple in Dubai who have been charged with breaching the morality code and potentially face a jail term.

Now the story itself wasn't that interesting but what did stand out for me was the editorials and readers letters regarding the case. Basically everyone concerned seemed to believe that this was a terrible breach of the couples human rights, was draconian and totally unjust. This got me thinking these same 'newspapers' in their editorials are forever banging on about how if immigrants come to this country they should live by 'our laws' and adopt 'our values' and they also seem to have an uncontrolled contempt for human rights legislation when it suits them.

Now don't get me wrong i think a law that prevents a couple kisssing in public is pretty out of touch with the modern world but the fact is that in Dubai it is the law therefore it should be respected. Or am i too understand, in the opinion of The Sun and the Daily Mail, that respecting the law and traditions of another country only apply when it's people coming to the UK.

:kettle:

[Dinkydoo]

Was having a look at the 'newspapers' at work the other day and had a read about the couple in Dubai who have been charged with breaching the morality code and potentially face a jail term.

Now the story itself wasn't that interesting but what did stand out for me was the editorials and readers letters regarding the case. Basically everyone concerned seemed to believe that this was a terrible breach of the couples human rights, was draconian and totally unjust. Now this got me thinking these same 'newspapers' in their editorials are forever banging on about how if immigrants come to this country they should live by 'our laws' and adopt 'our values' and they also seem to have an uncontrolled contempt for human rights legislation when it suits them.

Now don't get me wrong i think a law that prevents a couple kisssing in public is pretty out of touch with the modern world but the fact is that in Dubai it is the law therefore it should be respected. Or am i too understand, in the opinion of The Sun and the Daily Mail, that respecting the law and traditions of another country only apply when it's people coming to the UK.

:kettle:

Totally agree :top marks

If you want to go to another country for whatever reason, you respect thier laws even if you don't agree with them. Why would you even go to Dubai if you have a problem with thier laws?

I admit, it's totally OTT to be given a jail sentence for kissing in public ffs but at the end of the day I'm sure Muslim children are forced into wearining trackie bottoms/shorts when they do P.E at school over here - OK, not as draconic as being arrested for having a wee kiss but it's basically the same principle.

Read an article last year about a women in Suadi Arabia that had been put in jail for having sex in public twice after being 'let off' the first time, being totally steaming she then assualted the police officer after he tried to arrest her having caught her going at it for the 2nd time in one night.

I mean come on, how stupid can you get :faf:

[Woody1985]

I think that the issue for people is that we as a country do adopt and change things to suit other nationalities and religions. That doesn't seem to be replicated elsewhere across the world and that's why I suspect people wound up.

On a separate note, I'm starting to find all this 'newspaper' talk on here cringeworthy. People are scared to discuss which papers they read for fear of being ridiculed, dismissed or judgements based on what type of person they are. If you want to read the Sun, DR, Guardian etc etc then do it.

If there is a truly independant, 100% accurate paper that presents all the facts on any given story please tell me where it is.

[heretoday]

The press in our country is execrable. There is virtually no difference now between the red tops and the "broadsheets". They have substituted rant for reportage, cheap sensationalism for flair and the celebration of the grotesque for real human interest. They'd have us all marching in lynch mobs and sod the consequences.

Power without responsibility - the prerogative of the whore down the ages......who said that again!

[Pretty Boy]

I think that the issue for people is that we as a country do adopt and change things to suit other nationalities and religions. That doesn't seem to be replicated elsewhere across the world and that's why I suspect people wound up.

On a separate note, I'm starting to find all this 'newspaper' talk on here cringeworthy. People are scared to discuss which papers they read for fear of being ridiculed, dismissed or judgements based on what type of person they are. If you want to read the Sun, DR, Guardian etc etc then do it.

If there is a truly independant, 100% accurate paper that presents all the facts on any given story please tell me where it is.

I was quite happy to say which papers i was referring to at the end of my post, The Daily Mail and The Sun. The 'newspapers' is childish i admit but to be honest i don't really reagrd either as a newspaper. They are sensationalist and populist rags with a jingoist agenda when it comes to reporting international news. I only happened to glance at them because they tend to be whats on offer in the staff room at my work.

The paper i choose to read is The Guardian but i will happilly read The Times, Telegraph,, Independent etc etc because whilst i may not always be in agreement with what they write there is a high chance it will be well written and contain at least a smattering of facts. I also find the broadsheets tend to have some highly interesting obituaries, opinion pieces and common interest articles. As opposed to a grounbreaking theory on how immigrants cause diabtetes or an exclusive picture of Peter Andres new pet gerbil.

[LiverpoolHibs]

Totally agree :top marks

If you want to go to another country for whatever reason, you respect thier laws even if you don't agree with them. Why would you even go to Dubai if you have a problem with thier laws?

I admit, it's totally OTT to be given a jail sentence for kissing in public ffs but at the end of the day I'm sure Muslim children are forced into wearining trackie bottoms/shorts when they do P.E at school over here - OK, not as draconic as being arrested for having a wee kiss but it's basically the same principle.

Read an article last year about a women in Suadi Arabia that had been put in jail for having sex in public twice after being 'let off' the first time, being totally steaming she then assualted the police officer after he tried to arrest her having caught her going at it for the 2nd time in one night.

I mean come on, how stupid can you get :faf:

Is it?!

[Pretty Boy]

The press in our country is execrable. There is virtually no difference now between the red tops and the "broadsheets". They have substituted rant for reportage, cheap sensationalism for flair and the celebration of the grotesque for real human interest. They'd have us all marching in lynch mobs and sod the consequences.

Power without responsibility - the prerogative of the whore down the ages......who said that again!

Stanley baldwin i think.:agree:

[Woody1985]

Foreverhibs, it wasn't a dig at you (or anyone really) about the newspapers point.

I just feel that people are reluctant to discuss some things on here now if they've read something in a '****' paper. I know, because I've been guilty of not posting myself on ocassions due to it. Maybe it's just me though. FWIW, I read anything I can get my hands on, especially on the bus!

Anyway, I think I completely hijacked the thread. Sorry!

[J-C]

Foreverhibs, it wasn't a dig at you (or anyone really) about the newspapers point.

I just feel that people are reluctant to discuss some things on here now if they've read something in a '****' paper. I know, because I've been guilty of not posting myself on ocassions due to it. Maybe it's just me though. FWIW, I read anything I can get my hands on, especially on the bus!

Anyway, I think I completely hijacked the thread. Sorry!

Thing is though most of this kind of stuff appears in papers and we then take these stories and discuss them, hopefully nobody discriminates just because you read a certain paper, it's the discussion that'll make peoples minds up about you.

[Dinkydoo]

On a separate note, I'm starting to find all this 'newspaper' talk on here cringeworthy. People are scared to discuss which papers they read for fear of being ridiculed, dismissed or judgements based on what type of person they are. If you want to read the Sun, DR, Guardian etc etc then do it.

If there is a truly independant, 100% accurate paper that presents all the facts on any given story please tell me where it is.

Newspaper snobs, it's a bit sad isn't it. :faf:

I know that for example you shouldn't take everything you read in the papers as "gospel" anyway but arguing that one papaer is more valid than the other is a bit petty IMO.


Is it?!

Ah, tooshay!

To me it is; I'm not of Muslim faith.

[ChooseLife]

Was having a look at the 'newspapers' at work the other day and had a read about the couple in Dubai who have been charged with breaching the morality code and potentially face a jail term.

Now the story itself wasn't that interesting but what did stand out for me was the editorials and readers letters regarding the case. Basically everyone concerned seemed to believe that this was a terrible breach of the couples human rights, was draconian and totally unjust. This got me thinking these same 'newspapers' in their editorials are forever banging on about how if immigrants come to this country they should live by 'our laws' and adopt 'our values' and they also seem to have an uncontrolled contempt for human rights legislation when it suits them.

Now don't get me wrong i think a law that prevents a couple kisssing in public is pretty out of touch with the modern world but the fact is that in Dubai it is the law therefore it should be respected. Or am i too understand, in the opinion of The Sun and the Daily Mail, that respecting the law and traditions of another country only apply when it's people coming to the UK.

:kettle:
As a regular Sun reader :greengrin I dont think I've ever read anything that hints that immigrants should adopt our values, Britain respect their differences, they're allowed to keep their values living in this country, nowone forces them to take off Veils (not anymore anyway) it seems in this case the two girls are being punished for expressing their values, I realise it's the law over there and they should have respected it, but a harmless tradition such as wearing a Veil is accepted here, why can't they allow for something a lot less harmless such as the peck on the cheek? (less harmless as it doesn't help hide your idenitity)

[Twa Cairpets]

Totally agree :top marks

If you want to go to another country for whatever reason, you respect thier laws even if you don't agree with them. Why would you even go to Dubai if you have a problem with thier laws?

I admit, it's totally OTT to be given a jail sentence for kissing in public ffs but at the end of the day I'm sure Muslim children are forced into wearining trackie bottoms/shorts when they do P.E at school over here - OK, not as draconic as being arrested for having a wee kiss but it's basically the same principle.

Read an article last year about a women in Suadi Arabia that had been put in jail for having sex in public twice after being 'let off' the first time, being totally steaming she then assualted the police officer after he tried to arrest her having caught her going at it for the 2nd time in one night.

I mean come on, how stupid can you get :faf:

Q: I mean come on, how stupid can you get

A: I admit, it's totally OTT to be given a jail sentence for kissing in public ffs but at the end of the day I'm sure Muslim children are forced into wearining trackie bottoms/shorts when they do P.E at school over here - OK, not as draconic as being arrested for having a wee kiss but it's basically the same principle.

[khib70]

Totally agree :top marks

If you want to go to another country for whatever reason, you respect thier laws even if you don't agree with them. Why would you even go to Dubai if you have a problem with thier laws?

I admit, it's totally OTT to be given a jail sentence for kissing in public ffs but at the end of the day I'm sure Muslim children are forced into wearining trackie bottoms/shorts when they do P.E at school over here - OK, not as draconic as being arrested for having a wee kiss but it's basically the same principle.
Read an article last year about a women in Suadi Arabia that had been put in jail for having sex in public twice after being 'let off' the first time, being totally steaming she then assualted the police officer after he tried to arrest her having caught her going at it for the 2nd time in one night.

I mean come on, how stupid can you get :faf:
I bet they aren't forced into wearing anything. And it would only be the the same principle if they were arrested and criminalised for not wearing them. Two Carpets is right about that statement.

You're more likely to get pulled up ( not, I admit, arrested) for wearing a cross or putting up a Christmas tree over here.

(Nervously awaits visit from Islamophobia Police)

[J-C]

Totally agree :top marks

If you want to go to another country for whatever reason, you respect thier laws even if you don't agree with them. Why would you even go to Dubai if you have a problem with thier laws?

I admit, it's totally OTT to be given a jail sentence for kissing in public ffs but at the end of the day I'm sure Muslim children are forced into wearining trackie bottoms/shorts when they do P.E at school over here - OK, not as draconic as being arrested for having a wee kiss but it's basically the same principle.

Read an article last year about a women in Suadi Arabia that had been put in jail for having sex in public twice after being 'let off' the first time, being totally steaming she then assualted the police officer after he tried to arrest her having caught her going at it for the 2nd time in one night.

I mean come on, how stupid can you get :faf:


And what would you expect them to wear over there for P.E. full on robes and head gear. :confused:

[LiverpoolHibs]

Ah, tooshay!

To me it is; I'm not of Muslim faith.

Which verse of the Qur'an proscribes the wearing of trackie bottoms in P.E. lessons?

[LiverpoolHibs]

I bet they aren't forced into wearing anything. And it would only be the the same principle if they were arrested and criminalised for not wearing them. Two Carpets is right about that statement.

You're more likely to get pulled up ( not, I admit, arrested) for wearing a cross or putting up a Christmas tree over here.

(Nervously awaits visit from Islamophobia Police)

Aye, them or the Stopping People Talking Unmitigated Nonsense Police.

Wait, that's not as catchy is it?

[khib70]

Aye, them or the Stopping People Talking Unmitigated Nonsense Police.

Wait, that's not as catchy is it?
Nothing like the feeling when that line tightens!:a bite::fishin::wink:

[Allant1981]

I havent read the article so dont know the full story, were they on holiday or have the moved there? Might just be me but when I go on holiday i tend not to look at the laws of the country before i go, If they have moved there then it maybe would make sense to find out about laws of the land but kissing your partner in public as long as its not full on tongues down the throat isnt offensive to me

[hibsdaft]

Dubai - don't kiss in public but by all means confiscate the passport of your Philipino cleaner/ slave and keep it until she has worked 18 hrs a day for 4 years being payed a pittance and been raped three times a week.

morality my arse.

its always worth pointing out the hypocrisy of the Sun etc but lets not skirt away from the truth - these sort of blatantly anti-human laws in Saudi/ Iran/ Dubai are a bag of *****.

more important than "understanding" this stuff is respecting those in the likes of Iran who are fighting back against it- never mind your B52's bombers and "our boys" these are the real heroes and the only ones who can truly defeat stone-age islamist fundamentalism

this Iranian rap (its actually pretty good btw!) video has a good clip of an iranian women kicking some daft cow who starts pestering for daring to show a tuft of hair under her hajib, theres been other incidents of women lashing out at the self-appointed Iranian "morality police" - at great, grave risks to themselves:
YouTube - GOZAR : Anonymous Sinners Rap group : A Mani Turkzadeh film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZAwO-iH-1E)

[Removed]

Here is another

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8573565.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8573565.stm)

[JennaFletcher]

I'm never going to Dubai then
:bye:

[khib70]

Dubai - don't kiss in public but by all means confiscate the passport of your Philipino cleaner/ slave and keep it until she has worked 18 hrs a day for 4 years being payed a pittance and been raped three times a week.

morality my arse.
its always worth pointing out the hypocrisy of the Sun etc but lets not skirt away from the truth - these sort of blatantly anti-human laws in Saudi/ Iran/ Dubai are a bag of *****.

more important than "understanding" this stuff is respecting those in the likes of Iran who are fighting back against it- never mind your B52's bombers and "our boys" these are the real heroes and the only ones who can truly defeat stone-age islamist fundamentalism

this Iranian rap (its actually pretty good btw!) video has a good clip of an iranian women kicking some daft cow who starts pestering for daring to show a tuft of hair under her hajib, theres been other incidents of women lashing out at the self-appointed Iranian "morality police" - at great, grave risks to themselves:
YouTube - GOZAR : Anonymous Sinners Rap group : A Mani Turkzadeh film (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZAwO-iH-1E)
Well said! The place reeks of hypocrisy and exploitation and the word "morality" shouldn't be used in the same sentence. Their glittering tower blocks were built by virtual slave labour, yet they still enforce their mediaevalism against visitors. Ah, but it's their culture etc etc:bitchy:

Good piece on Dubai by Rod Liddle here

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6716543.ece

[Dinkydoo]

Q: I mean come on, how stupid can you get

A: I admit, it's totally OTT to be given a jail sentence for kissing in public ffs but at the end of the day I'm sure Muslim children are forced into wearining trackie bottoms/shorts when they do P.E at school over here - OK, not as draconic as being arrested for having a wee kiss but it's basically the same principle.


I bet they aren't forced into wearing anything. And it would only be the the same principle if they were arrested and criminalised for not wearing them. Two Carpets is right about that statement.

You're more likely to get pulled up ( not, I admit, arrested) for wearing a cross or putting up a Christmas tree over here.

(Nervously awaits visit from Islamophobia Police)

No, you're wrong there. The principle I was meaning was having to change something about yourselves to fit into another culture whilst in another country.

If a Muslim decides to wear a Burka (sp) I'm damn sure they wouldn't be allowed to wear it in P.E simply because it isn't appropriate/suitible. By the same conext over in Dubai they think that kissing in public isn't appropriate.

The only difference being they are maybe a bit more extreme in the way they enforce their laws but who are we to judge them anyway - sorry, unless your Muslim of course.



And what would you expect them to wear over there for P.E. full on robes and head gear. :confused:

That wasn't my point, see above. :rolleyes:


Which verse of the Qur'an proscribes the wearing of trackie bottoms in P.E. lessons?

What a stupid question.

You come across as being a really intelligent person, yet you pick and choose what you want to take from my comment :confused:

I don't really see what people's problem is with this, they broke the law of a country they were staying in; they are going to be punished :boo hoo:

Quite simple really.

[J-C]

No, you're wrong there. The principle I was meaning was having to change something about yourselves to fit into another culture whilst in another country.

If a Muslim decides to wear a Burka (sp) I'm damn sure they wouldn't be allowed to wear it in P.E simply because it isn't appropriate/suitible. By the same conext over in Dubai they think that kissing in public isn't appropriate.

The only difference being they are maybe a bit more extreme in the way they enforce their laws but who are we to judge them anyway - sorry, unless your Muslim of course.




That wasn't my point, see above. :rolleyes:



What a stupid question.

You come across as being a really intelligent person, yet you pick and choose what you want to take from my comment :confused:

I don't really see what people's problem is with this, they broke the law of a country they were staying in; they are going to be punished :boo hoo:

Quite simple really.

I agree with you here, just your analogy was a bit left of centre, didn't quite come across as what you wanted it to, hence some of us picked it up wrong.

[Dinkydoo]

I agree with you here, just your analogy was a bit left of centre, didn't quite come across as what you wanted it to, hence some of us picked it up wrong.

Apologies, Wednesday was a hectic afternoon for me - infact, this week has been pretty hellish in terms of work and other crap.

It sounded better in my head

:thumbsup:

[ArabHibee]

I'm never going to Dubai then
:bye:

Probably best not to. They are seriously religiously mental out there, amongst other things.

[CropleyWasGod]

Probably best not to. They are seriously religiously mental out there, amongst other things.

:tsk tsk:

[ArabHibee]

:tsk tsk:

:cool2: