Sheffield Incest Abuse

[NOLA]

WTF is going on!! 30 years of family abuse, the Father raped his 2 daughters god knows how many times, getting them pregnant 18 times:grr: resulting in 7 births and 2 seriosly handicapped children, the dad was jailed for life WOW If this was America he'd be castrated and then put to death, is this country too lenient? of course it is, why can't the authorities act without fear of beauracracy hindering their efforts? Unbelievable! for sure stuff like this has happened for hundreds of years but in this day and age we must be able to act when needed, Rant over.

[J-C]

WTF is going on!! 30 years of family abuse, the Father raped his 2 daughters god knows how many times, getting them pregnant 18 times:grr: resulting in 7 births and 2 seriosly handicapped children, the dad was jailed for life WOW If this was America he'd be castrated and then put to death, is this country too lenient? of course it is, why can't the authorities act without fear of beauracracy hindering their efforts? Unbelievable! for sure stuff like this has happened for hundreds of years but in this day and age we must be able to act when needed, Rant over.

I heard on radio that he got 25 life sentences witha 19 year minimum.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/nov/25/father-rape (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/nov/25/father-rape)


Horrendous reading, can't believe these things go on.

[Lucius Apuleius]

Probably not his fault. It was the society and family life he was probably brought up in.:agree:

[Steve-O]

WTF is going on!! 30 years of family abuse, the Father raped his 2 daughters god knows how many times, getting them pregnant 18 times:grr: resulting in 7 births and 2 seriosly handicapped children, the dad was jailed for life WOW If this was America he'd be castrated and then put to death, is this country too lenient? of course it is, why can't the authorities act without fear of beauracracy hindering their efforts? Unbelievable! for sure stuff like this has happened for hundreds of years but in this day and age we must be able to act when needed, Rant over.

I don't think it's that simple somehow.

But yes, we should definitely take after the Americans because their justice system works soooo well :blah:

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Probably not his fault. It was the society and family life he was probably brought up in.:agree:



I don't see why anyone's getting worked up about this.

He made his own decisions, he was doing his own thing, he was simply following his own moral sense which is after all just as valid as anyone else's.

I wouldn't want anyone to impose alien and arbitrary moral structures on a free spirit like this chap....

Smells to me of a lot of residual Puritanism here. :devil:

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't see why anyone's getting worked up about this.

He made his own decisions, he was doing his own thing, he was simply following his own moral sense which is after all just as valid as anyone else's.

I wouldn't want anyone to impose alien and arbitrary moral structures on a free spirit like this chap....

Smells to me of a lot of residual Puritanism here. :devil:

Bloody hell, Doddie, that's a hell of a post for a morning!

I can't, of course, know whether you are being facetious and sarcastic..... in which case I would have a know-all sardonic smirk.... or whether you are being genuine in questioning society's moral code.

If the latter....and, given your job, I would not be surprised if you are trying to stimulate debate.... then I predict a three pager.

If you're at the wind-up, though.... beat it, I canny be bothered wi' folk like you. :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Bloody hell, Doddie, that's a hell of a post for a morning!

I can't, of course, know whether you are being facetious and sarcastic..... in which case I would have a know-all sardonic smirk.... or whether you are being genuine in questioning society's moral code.

Definitely genuine. That and Leigh Griffith's blog, the two most genuine things on .net this week. :agree:

[Dinkydoo]

WTF is going on!! 30 years of family abuse, the Father raped his 2 daughters god knows how many times, getting them pregnant 18 times:grr: resulting in 7 births and 2 seriosly handicapped children, the dad was jailed for life WOW If this was America he'd be castrated and then put to death, is this country too lenient? of course it is, why can't the authorities act without fear of beauracracy hindering their efforts? Unbelievable! for sure stuff like this has happened for hundreds of years but in this day and age we must be able to act when needed, Rant over.

It's a truely horrific story but do you not think that simply having this guy killed is a bit of a let-off?

I don't agree with capital punishment at all for various reasons, one of them being that I don't know if death is a suitable punishment for any crime - since nobody has ever 'came back' and let us know what it was like :rolleyes:

If there isn't anything after death then how is the guy being punished; he's just dead, that's it. A little pain for a few minutes and then......nothing.

So to answer your rhetorical :wink:, I don't think this country is too lenient in terms of not having any form of capital punishment - I do however believe that a "life sentence" should man life imprisonment, but thats another subject for another day.

[Hainan Hibs]

Had to stop reading that half-way through, trully horrific.

I don't really like how these threads turn out so don't normally post, but in my view with 25 life sentences he should be locked away until he dies, none of this "minimum 19.5 years". (re-read it and realised he is 56 so will probably will be in jail until he passes away)

[Lucius Apuleius]

I don't see why anyone's getting worked up about this.

He made his own decisions, he was doing his own thing, he was simply following his own moral sense which is after all just as valid as anyone else's.

I wouldn't want anyone to impose alien and arbitrary moral structures on a free spirit like this chap....

Smells to me of a lot of residual Puritanism here. :devil:

I think you are agreeing with me :devil:

[Phil D. Rolls]

WTF is going on!! 30 years of family abuse, the Father raped his 2 daughters god knows how many times, getting them pregnant 18 times:grr: resulting in 7 births and 2 seriosly handicapped children, the dad was jailed for life WOW If this was America he'd be castrated and then put to death, is this country too lenient? of course it is, why can't the authorities act without fear of beauracracy hindering their efforts? Unbelievable! for sure stuff like this has happened for hundreds of years but in this day and age we must be able to act when needed, Rant over.

I think we can learn a lot from our American cousins and their attitude to justice. Just ask Gary McKinnon.

[steakbake]

What's the point of castrating someone then killing them? Sadism into barbarity?

Not what you want from a justice system. The legal system is not about revenge.

[Andy74]

I'd suggest rounding up any of the staff who were involved in the various agencies which knew about all this and did nothing to protect the children.

Something like 100 different people from various agencies were involved and it was never stopped.

Getting short of them would be a far better service for the rest of the country.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I'd suggest rounding up any of the staff who were involved in the various agencies which knew about all this and did nothing to protect the children.

Something like 100 different people from various agencies were involved and it was never stopped.

Getting short of them would be a far better service for the rest of the country.

It's a mystery how things like this can happen. The son told them what was going on.

[Dashing Bob S]

What's the point of castrating someone then killing them? Sadism into barbarity?

Not what you want from a justice system. The legal system is not about revenge.

Kill first, then castrate, as a sort of trophy?

[marinello59]

Kill first, then castrate, as a sort of trophy?

Would it be best hung between the Stag and Tigers heads. Or would hanging be too good?

[lapsedhibee]

Kill first, then castrate, as a sort of trophy?

:bitchy: Just castrate, but don't stop the bleeding so that death occurs naturally. It's the two-for-the-price-of-one action to take - efficient, economical, green.

[PiemanP]

Why the hell did one of the daughters / older brother / ANYONE who knew what was going on just go to the police!

30 years of this going on and no one said anything :bitchy:

[steakbake]

:bitchy: Just castrate, but don't stop the bleeding so that death occurs naturally. It's the two-for-the-price-of-one action to take - efficient, economical, green.

Sounds a bit halal to me. That's shariah law by stealth. :grr::grr: I'm so outraged, I don't know whether to write to the Mail or the Express...

[Andy74]

Why the hell did one of the daughters / older brother / ANYONE who knew what was going on just go to the police!

30 years of this going on and no one said anything :bitchy:

Plenty of agencies knew what was happening but did nothing about it by the looks of things.

They moved somethig like 70 times so they never got the same people dealing with them - no joined up approach or looking at previous history.

Really shocking that something this obvious was never put to an end.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Why the hell did one of the daughters / older brother / ANYONE who knew what was going on just go to the police!

30 years of this going on and no one said anything :bitchy:

I think the son told the police in 1994 and nothing happened. Of course it would be hard to take the case further if the women were too scared to make a complaint themselves.

[J-C]

Unfortunately women get pregnant and as said if they were too scared to tell, no one would be non the wiser, the father probably just said he can't control them, they just seem to go and get pregnant all the time, meanwhile the authorities will think he's just looking after his daughters and their kids.:confused:

[Pete]

Had to stop reading that half-way through, trully horrific.

I don't really like how these threads turn out so don't normally post, but in my view with 25 life sentences he should be locked away until he dies, none of this "minimum 19.5 years". (re-read it and realised he is 56 so will probably will be in jail until he passes away)

I don't understand why this guy just can't be locked away indefinately.

He's been given 25 life sentences...but might be out in 20 years!! How does that work?
Maybe if you were given one life sentence but 25??

I think a major reason why people are so angry about the justice system is the actual length of sentences given out. People might not want the death penalty if proper justice was seen to be done.

This man doesn't deserve to live, never mind walk the streets again but the sad fact is he would probably get a similar sentence if he commited financial crimes over the same time period.

[Steve-O]

I don't understand why this guy just can't be locked away indefinately.

He's been given 25 life sentences...but might be out in 20 years!! How does that work?
Maybe if you were given one life sentence but 25??

I think a major reason why people are so angry about the justice system is the actual length of sentences given out. People might not want the death penalty if proper justice was seen to be done.

This man doesn't deserve to live, never mind walk the streets again but the sad fact is he would probably get a similar sentence if he commited financial crimes over the same time period.

The life sentences run concurrently, not cumulatively. My understanding if it's the same or similar offence, then you would serve the sentences concurrently.

You would not get a life sentence for financial crimes. (apart from that guy in America that got about 200 years!)

Another common mistake is that people automatically assume in a case where it is said someone must serve a minimum of 15 years in prison, that they will get out after 15 years. This is not the case at all. In order for them to get out they would have had to addressed their offending while in prison, engaged in all kinds of programmes with psychologists etc, and have a robust plan for life on the outside including where they will live, work, how they plan to not offend again etc etc.

I've seen many cases where people are denied Parole time and time and time again because they are still seen as a risk to the community.