Tragedy at Red Road Flats

[Betty Boop]

3 people, believed to be asylum seekers have jumped to their death from the Red Road flats in Glasgow. They must have held out no hope in their life, such a shame.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Glasgow-Three-Asylum-Seekers-Dead-After-Falling-From-Springburn-Block-Of-Flats/Article/201003115568950?chooseNews=videos

[Hibbyradge]

Awful.

[lapsedhibee]

2 people commit suicide every day of every year in Scotland. Not entirely sure why this incident is more 'newsworthy' than all the others. Is it because it's more sensational, more gory? :dunno:

[Steve-O]

2 people commit suicide every day of every year in Scotland. Not entirely sure why this incident is more 'newsworthy' than all the others. Is it because it's more sensational, more gory? :dunno:

I would think a triple suicide by jumping from a block of flats is a more unique event than the average suicide no?

[lapsedhibee]

I would think a triple suicide by jumping from a block of flats is a more unique event than the average suicide no?

Undoubtedly unusual, in the same way that 'man bites dog' is more unusual than 'dog bites man', so in that sense definitely 'news'. Probably just being overly prudish - didn't see the need for the eye witness report of how horrible and traumatising it was to open curtains first thing and see the bodies lying on the ground. Shirley everyone that can read will already know that if they've jumped from the 15th floor they'll have ended up on the ground and not walked away? Car crash news, imo.

Anyway, where's the CCTV footage? :dunno:

[PiemanP]

3 people, believed to be asylum seekers have jumped to their death from the Red Road flats in Glasgow. They must have held out no hope in their life, such a shame.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Glasgow-Three-Asylum-Seekers-Dead-After-Falling-From-Springburn-Block-Of-Flats/Article/201003115568950?chooseNews=videos (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Glasgow-Three-Asylum-Seekers-Dead-After-Falling-From-Springburn-Block-Of-Flats/Article/201003115568950?chooseNews=videos)

aye and suicide is the perfect solution isnt it?

[Betty Boop]

aye and suicide is the perfect solution isnt it?

You would have to be pretty desperate to jump from the fifteenth floor of a block of flats, I think. I didn't say it was the perfect solution smart ass.

[lapsedhibee]

You would have to be pretty desperate to jump from the fifteenth floor of a block of flats, I think. I didn't say it was the perfect solution smart ass.

Not necessarily any more desperate than any other suicide, though, BB. Assuming that most or all suicides are the result of a desperate mental state, if you live on the fifteenth floor it's probably as straightforward to walk out of it as it is to stick your head in a gas oven. (More straightforward, if the Red Road flats are all-electric.)

[ArabHibee]

How do we know that they committed suicide?

[J-C]

How do we know that they committed suicide?


Tha fact that police say there is no suspicious circumstances.

[ArabHibee]

Tha fact that police say there is no suspicious circumstances.

But maybe one of the blokes murdered the other 2 by pushing them both over the balcony, then he jumped to his death? Just a thought. Guess we'll never know.

[Jay]

But maybe one of the blokes murdered the other 2 by pushing them both over the balcony, then he jumped to his death? Just a thought. Guess we'll never know.

apparently they were all tied together so it looks like a suicide pact. I know then you would say how do they know they weren't all murdered - I dont know is the answer. Its always sad when someone thinks there is no other answer than to end their life.

[Phil D. Rolls]

2 people commit suicide every day of every year in Scotland. Not entirely sure why this incident is more 'newsworthy' than all the others. Is it because it's more sensational, more gory? :dunno:

I think the significant thing for me is that they were asylum seekers about to be deported. It shows you what they were going back to that they decided to end their lives instead.

One for the anti immigration brigade to remember. Most asylum seekers are here because they fear torture at home, not because they think Britain is a great place to make a life.

One thing I think we can say about this suicide is that it doesn't look like a cry for help that went wrong. I'm guessing of course, but I think this was a genuine attempt to end life.

I wonder who the Sun will pin the blame for this one on? Social Services, GPs (never a popular target), Immigration Officials. My money's on the SS, they always get the blame.

[hibsdaft]

2 people commit suicide every day of every year in Scotland. Not entirely sure why this incident is more 'newsworthy' than all the others. Is it because it's more sensational, more gory? :dunno:

you can't compare a single suicide to two or more doing so at once.

just like the suicide of the young girls from the Erskine Bridge earlier this year, these cases are another level - its one thing for an individual to want to end themselves in this way but for two or more to be in the same state of mind is something i simply can't comprehend.

speaking for myself, when i first heard this story it stopped me in my tracks and its not often a news story does that.

[ArabHibee]

I think the significant thing for me is that they were asylum seekers about to be deported. It shows you what they were going back to that they decided to end their lives instead.

One for the anti immigration brigade to remember. Most asylum seekers are here because they fear torture at home, not because they think Britain is a great place to make a life.

One thing I think we can say about this suicide is that it doesn't look like a cry for help that went wrong. I'm guessing of course, but I think this was a genuine attempt to end life.

I wonder who the Sun will pin the blame for this one on? Social Services, GPs (never a popular target), Immigration Officials. My money's on the SS, they always get the blame.

That was my first thought as well, but CANADA??? Wonder what that's all about.

[CropleyWasGod]

That was my first thought as well, but CANADA??? Wonder what that's all about.

Sorry, I think I have missed something. Where did you get Canada from?

[Removed]

Sorry, I think I have missed something. Where did you get Canada from?

It is mentioned in here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8554849.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8554849.stm)

[CropleyWasGod]

It is mentioned in here

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8554849.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8554849.stm)

Ah, okay, ta.

Looks as if they were scared to go back to Canada... were they to be jailed there, or sent back to their own country?

Nasty.

[Toaods]

Tha fact that police say there is no suspicious circumstances.

I think the mere fact that there was 3 dead bodies in Glasgow and no suspicious circumstances was the thing that brought the media out in force.



On a seroius note regarding murder or not, I am only second guessing at this stage but they said the couples son was also there and without knowing how old exactly he is, it must IMHO constitute murder(not that we'll have any one to answer for it) to have convinced / forced a minor that this act was 'for the best'

[ArabHibee]

I think the mere fact that there was 3 dead bodies in Glasgow and no suspicious circumstances was the thing that brought the media out in force.



On a seroius note regarding murder or not, I am only second guessing at this stage but they said the couples son was also there and without knowing how old exactly he is, it must IMHO constitute murder(not that we'll have any one to answer for it) to have convinced / forced a minor that this act was 'for the best'

Reporting Scotland stated 'adult son' but not actually his age.

[khib70]

I think the mere fact that there was 3 dead bodies in Glasgow and no suspicious circumstances was the thing that brought the media out in force.



On a seroius note regarding murder or not, I am only second guessing at this stage but they said the couples son was also there and without knowing how old exactly he is, it must IMHO constitute murder(not that we'll have any one to answer for it) to have convinced / forced a minor that this act was 'for the best'
21 year old stepson apparently. Current story is that the guy was under the impression that the Canadian security forces were going to bump him off because he had uncovered a Canadian plot to kill the Queen.

No less of a tragedy because of that, and points up the indifferent treatment of asylum seekers, in that someone with obvious mental health issues was not diagnosed and monitored carefully, instead of being stuck into some hellish tower block and forgotten about.

[J-C]

Turns out they were a Russian family who got asylum in Canada about 2 years ago, they have since been floating around the world and ended up in Glasgow, where they asked for asylum here, which was rightfully refused. They were awaiting authorities to send them back when they jumped, father was seemingly mentally unstable also.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/call-for-inquiry-into-glasgow-tower-suicides-1918839.html

[Phil D. Rolls]

21 year old stepson apparently. Current story is that the guy was under the impression that the Canadian security forces were going to bump him off because he had uncovered a Canadian plot to kill the Queen.

No less of a tragedy because of that, and points up the indifferent treatment of asylum seekers, in that someone with obvious mental health issues was not diagnosed and monitored carefully, instead of being stuck into some hellish tower block and forgotten about.

A common scenario, whether they are Scottish or immigrants unfortunately. This has been a horrendously sad case.

[J-C]

21 year old stepson apparently. Current story is that the guy was under the impression that the Canadian security forces were going to bump him off because he had uncovered a Canadian plot to kill the Queen.

No less of a tragedy because of that, and points up the indifferent treatment of asylum seekers, in that someone with obvious mental health issues was not diagnosed and monitored carefully, instead of being stuck into some hellish tower block and forgotten about.


They were about to be deported back to Canada where they had already gained asylum, not relly Britains fault here, came over probably as tourists on a Canadian passport then tried to seek asylum here, obviously didn't get it.