Liberal Democrats

[.Sean.]

I'll be honest here, I don't have a great knowledge or interest in politics. However, i've quite liked the sound of what Clegg been saying, especially regarding paying no tax on the first £10000 you earn.

Thoughts?

[CropleyWasGod]

How does he intend to pay for it, would be my first thought.

That's £700 each. With a working population of, say, 30m, that's... £21bn?

[Jonnyboy]

Hope I don't offend anyone here but the question I think that needs asked is ............. Lib/Dems - why?

They will never govern so it could be argued that a vote for them is equivalent to voting UKip, BNP etc etc

Thoughts?

[allmodcons]

Hope I don't offend anyone here but the question I think that needs asked is ............. Lib/Dems - why?

They will never govern so it could be argued that a vote for them is equivalent to voting UKip, BNP etc etc

Thoughts?

I agree with the your post, however, it's the political system, particularly FPTP, that's the real problem.

We'd be aswell giving the Tories 10 years and then Labour 10 years. As much as they dislike each other, one couldn't exist without the other. They co-exist cosily in the 2 party state that is UK politics.

Of course, in Scotland, there is another choice:wink:

[hibsdaft]

I'll be honest here, I don't have a great knowledge or interest in politics. However, i've quite liked the sound of what Clegg been saying, especially regarding paying no tax on the first £10000 you earn.

Thoughts?

this is an inane idea.

i am all for faired taxation system. however, everyone must contribute towards taxation or it undermines the principle of a state to which we all have a stake and support.

we are moving towards a scenario in which many do not to support the state, but instead are forced to live off handouts/ charity or non-profit organisations/ taxation benefits such as this and others like it (tax credits etc).

this is a totally unhealthy development and a symptom of a wider problem: too many people in this country are paid ***** money.

the solution isn't more charity/ tax gimmicks but seeing that people are paid a proper wage for a proper job in which they are respected.

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Hope I don't offend anyone here but the question I think that needs asked is ............. Lib/Dems - why?

tactical voting :wink:

[Leicester Fan]

I'll be honest here, I don't have a great knowledge or interest in politics. However, i've quite liked the sound of what Clegg been saying, especially regarding paying no tax on the first £10000 you earn.

Thoughts?

I'm not a Lib Dem but I like that idea a lot. I guess they would pay for it by putting up the top rate of tax which could backfire as that leads to more tax avoidance.

If there was a way it could be done though I'd be all for it.

[vein]

Sure I heard this on Mock of the week when one of the comedians said the Lib Dems can basically make up whatever policies they want as there is bugger all chance they are going to win the General election anyway :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

I agree with the your post, however, it's the political system, particularly FPTP, that's the real problem.

We'd be aswell giving the Tories 10 years and then Labour 10 years. As much as they dislike each other, one couldn't exist without the other. They co-exist cosily in the 2 party state that is UK politics.

Of course, in Scotland, there is another choice:wink:

Aye and look how thats working out!:bitchy:

[CropleyWasGod]

Aye and look how thats working out!:bitchy:

I actually think PR works very well in Scotland, if that's what you're meaning. It combines accountability with a decent representation of the political profile of the country.

[allmodcons]

I actually think PR works very well in Scotland, if that's what you're meaning. It combines accountability with a decent representation of the political profile of the country.

:agree: Of course it does. Unlike FTTP where millions of votes just get wasted.

[heretoday]

The trouble is both Lib Dems and Tories sound as though they've just thought their policies up on the back of an envelope. It's all got an "ad hoc" feel to it.

I'm no fan of Brown but I have a funny feeling he is going to win this election with a working majority.

[Hibs Class]

They got elected to run Edinburgh, jointly with SNP but they are the majority partner. I had to deal with them a lot on the issue of school closures during the second half of last year, and they are as useless and dishonest as any politician. They either ignore their electorate or lie to them.

[Lucius Apuleius]

Don't base political decisions on how much or how little tax they are going to take off you ( easy for me to say :greengrin). A bit like the council here, or even football, you get what you apy for. You cannot expect first class services if you pay low rates.

[RyeSloan]

Surely though no tax on the first £10,000 is the quickest and easiest way of 'narrowing the poverty gap' and stoping the 'rich getting richer while the poor get poorer'...it would I assume also help reduce the instances of 'benefit trap'.

I find it strange that while there has been so many posters and posts on this forum declaring that the government has done too little for the poorer end of society that when a main stream politcal party comes forward with a simple and effective way of ensuring ALL low paid workers have more money in their pocket it is laughed at simply because the idea came from the Lib Dems.....weird.

[hibsbollah]

everyone must contribute towards taxation or it undermines the principle of a state to which we all have a stake and support.



:agree:

[CropleyWasGod]

Surely though no tax on the first £10,000 is the quickest and easiest way of 'narrowing the poverty gap' and stoping the 'rich getting richer while the poor get poorer'...it would I assume also help reduce the instances of 'benefit trap'.

I find it strange that while there has been so many posters and posts on this forum declaring that the government has done too little for the poorer end of society that when a main stream politcal party comes forward with a simple and effective way of ensuring ALL low paid workers have more money in their pocket it is laughed at simply because the idea came from the Lib Dems.....weird.

I'm not laughing, Si, I am just a bit cynical as to how they could afford it.

£20 odd billion is a lot of cost-cutting.

[RyeSloan]

I'm not laughing, Si, I am just a bit cynical as to how they could afford it.

£20 odd billion is a lot of cost-cutting.


Cut out the huge expense of (mis)managing the tax credit system by simply applying it via taking less tax in the first place??

Putting extra money into peoples pockets will encourage more spending so the government wins with higher VAT take and increased taxation on corp profits...???

Just a few ideas on how it might be afforded...of course canceling trident would be another!! :greengrin

[PiemanP]

I'm not laughing, Si, I am just a bit cynical as to how they could afford it.

£20 odd billion is a lot of cost-cutting.

they could start with the 4bn+ a year we are wasting fighting wars in the middle east..

[CropleyWasGod]

Cut out the huge expense of (mis)managing the tax credit system by simply applying it via taking less tax in the first place??

Putting extra money into peoples pockets will encourage more spending so the government wins with higher VAT take and increased taxation on corp profits...???

Just a few ideas on how it might be afforded...of course canceling trident would be another!! :greengrin

The first two, IMO, would be tinkering, without any great effect.

The last one, though, would even get me voting for them. That said, it's probably a vote-loser more than a vote-winner, sadly.

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they could start with the 4bn+ a year we are wasting fighting wars in the middle east..

Behave. That's far too simple a solution.

And you're 19. You have no right to be so sensible. Grow up and get some cynicism. :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

I actually think PR works very well in Scotland, if that's what you're meaning. It combines accountability with a decent representation of the political profile of the country.

I think PR is a great idea.

My dig was at the SNP as i assumed that was what was meant by another choice in Scotland.

[Rory89]

Was watching a Question Time programme for first time voters such as myself and it had Jamelia on it, cos she is well cool and speaks for youth blaaaad. She came out with a statement about how none of the the current parties speak for the working class. She went on to explain that she doesn't know much about politics, but when she was younger she respected Margaret Thatcher because she felt she looked out for the working class people at the time.

It was that moment I wished I had a button which could end humanity.