Get A Grip

[One Day Soon]

Last season watching Mixu's dross game after game in utterly irrelevant league position.

This season pushing for Europe, briefly threatening second place, miles ahead of the Pornstars and building a squad and style of football that's worth watching.

Man-up FFS.

That is all.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Last season watching Mixu's dross game after game in utterly irrelevant league position.

This season pushing for Europe, briefly threatening second place, miles ahead of the Pornstars and building a squad and style of football that's worth watching.

Man-up FFS.

That is all.

:top marks

[Darth Hibbie]

Last season watching Mixu's dross game after game in utterly irrelevant league position.

This season pushing for Europe, briefly threatening second place, miles ahead of the Pornstars and building a squad and style of football that's worth watching.

Man-up FFS.

That is all.

Totally agree, over the season so far a massive improvement on last season. Gutted at losing today but not worried about it all part of being a Hibs supporter.

[Hibernian Verse]

Totally agree, over the season so far a massive improvement on last season. Gutted at losing today but not worried about it all part of being a Hibs supporter.

See, you could've used the like button there!:greengrin

[Darth Hibbie]

See, you could've used the like button there!:greengrin

I could have but then my post count would not have gone up :greengrin

I could have also used :thumbsup::agree::notworthy::rockin::scarf::aok:

[Hibernian Verse]

I could have but then my post count would not have gone up :greengrin

I could have also used :thumbsup::agree::notworthy::rockin::scarf::aok:

I knew people would come back with 'post count' :greengrin

[Darth Hibbie]

I knew people would come back with 'post count' :greengrin

Well I do have some to go to catch up. When I get to a respectable level the like button can be introduced :greengrin

[Greenway]

Last season watching Mixu's dross game after game in utterly irrelevant league position.

This season pushing for Europe, briefly threatening second place, miles ahead of the Pornstars and building a squad and style of football that's worth watching.

Man-up FFS.

That is all.

You have got to be kidding.

We've done better than the dross of last season, but a few more games like the last few and we'll end up in the same position.

We've spent good money and backed Yogi with some real cash whilst other managers have had to sell. So it seems reasonable to be annoyed at the recent dross being passed off as football. Yogi needs to start getting a lot more out of our squad than he's currently doing. I don't know whether the problem is with the players or how he's using them, but there is a real problem.

There's nothing wrong with any Hibs supportor being disappointed just now. Quite why we should be satisfied with throwing away points that will surely seriously hurt us later is clearly mental. If this isn't sorted, and fast, we will be watching any chance of a cup final disappear with the usual whimper.

So you should now know where I think you should stick your "FFS "

[blackpoolhibs]

You have got to be kidding.

We've done better than the dross of last season, but a few more games like the last few and we'll end up in the same position.

We've spent good money and backed Yogi with some real cash whilst other managers have had to sell. So it seems reasonable to be annoyed at the recent dross being passed off as football. Yogi needs to start getting a lot more out of our squad than he's currently doing. I don't know whether the problem is with the players or how he's using them, but there is a real problem.

There's nothing wrong with any Hibs supportor being disappointed just now. Quite why we should be satisfied with throwing away points that will surely seriously hurt us later is clearly mental. If this isn't sorted, and fast, we will be watching any chance of a cup final disappear with the usual whimper.

So you should now know where I think you should stick your "FFS "

Yogi said he's not spent a penny. :confused:

[Pedantic_Hibee]

You have got to be kidding.

We've done better than the dross of last season, but a few more games like the last few and we'll end up in the same position.

We've spent good money and backed Yogi with some real cash whilst other managers have had to sell. So it seems reasonable to be annoyed at the recent dross being passed off as football. Yogi needs to start getting a lot more out of our squad than he's currently doing. I don't know whether the problem is with the players or how he's using them, but there is a real problem.

There's nothing wrong with any Hibs supportor being disappointed just now. Quite why we should be satisfied with throwing away points that will surely seriously hurt us later is clearly mental. If this isn't sorted, and fast, we will be watching any chance of a cup final disappear with the usual whimper.

So you should now know where I think you should stick your "FFS "

There is when you look at the bigger picture and take the whole season into account rather than the last 3 games.

Were you disappointed with this season at half-time at Ibrox?

I'm not disappointed with this season at 11.46pm on 20 February 2010, I'm effin' delighted at the seismic shift in belief, hope and expectation down Easter Road way. Three defeats, as crushing as one of them was, will not cloud that.

[Hibernian Verse]

Yogi said he's not spent a penny. :confused:

I'd argue in terms of wages we've spent more than a few pennies on Miller, Stokes etc

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I'd argue in terms of wages we've spent more than a few pennies on Miller, Stokes etc

Money well spent. They've been two of the best signings in the SPL this year.

[blackpoolhibs]

There is when you look at the bigger picture and take the whole season into account rather than the last 3 games.

Were you disappointed with this season at half-time at Ibrox?

I'm not disappointed with this season at 11.46pm on 20 February 2010, I'm effin' delighted at the seismic shift in belief, hope and expectation down Easter Road way. Three defeats, as crushing as one of them was, will not cloud that.

Spot on. :agree::agree: :top marks

[erskine-hibby]

There is when you look at the bigger picture and take the whole season into account rather than the last 3 games.

Were you disappointed with this season at half-time at Ibrox?

I'm not disappointed with this season at 11.46pm on 20 February 2010, I'm effin' delighted at the seismic shift in belief, hope and expectation down Easter Road way. Three defeats, as crushing as one of them was, will not cloud that.

I'm not disappointed with the season so far either, but, if 3 defeats become 4, 5 ,6.....and we slip from challenging for 2nd to maybe scraping 4rth i would say then that i was disappointed.
The way we are playing just now and the strange team selections put out by Yogi do not fill me with much hope of us picking things up...but I could be wrong.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I'm not disappointed with the season so far either, but, if 3 defeats become 4, 5 ,6.....and we slip from challenging for 2nd to maybe scraping 4rth i would say then that i was disappointed.
The way we are playing just now and the strange team selections put out by Yogi do not fill me with much hope of us picking things up...but I could be wrong.

I can see why you would think that, because it's an all too familiar scenario for Hibernian fans. However, that said, I've seen enough in the past 7/8 months to suggest that Yogi's changing the culture and the personality of the squad.

I'm fairly certain that in a month's time the majority of us will have forgotten these three defeats pretty much. This current side has a bit more bite, a bit more spine and a bit more durability than previous Hibs sides. We'll be back.

[erskine-hibby]

I can see why you would think that, because it's an all too familiar scenario for Hibernian fans. However, that said, I've seen enough in the past 7/8 months to suggest that Yogi's changing the culture and the personality of the squad.

I'm fairly certain that in a month's time the majority of us will have forgotten these three defeats pretty much. This current side has a bit more bite, a bit more spine and a bit more durability than previous Hibs sides. We'll be back.

I, of course, hope you are correct but there is not much evidence from the last 3 games of this 'bite' or 'spine'. That, and Yogi seems to have forgotten how to pick a team :confused:

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I, of course, hope you are correct but there is not much evidence from the last 3 games of this 'bite' or 'spine'. That, and Yogi seems to have forgotten how to pick a team :confused:

I agree that there hasn't seemed much bite, although by all accounts of folk at the game today we did compete all over the field.

I think today's team was set-up to be like that as well, with the midfield full of competitors. That allied to a few bad individual performances on Wednesday and a ******* pitch meant today's team kinda picked itself (although I would have had Bamba out the team as he's been indifferent since returning from the ACN).

IMO, we should only name the adventurous line-up of four "attackers" when McBride and Miller are starting, it only seems to work with those two dove-tailing each other in the centre. Either that or we bring in a midfielder in the summer who can fill in for those two capably.

If one (or both) of them aren't in the starting XI, I would think that playing a simple 4-4-2 and putting our best XI would be enough. Our best XI is quite simply the third best line-up in the league quality-wise and that should be enough, if the commitment and application is there to back it up.

Football's a simple game that's often over-complicated I think. In my humble opinion, choose a simple formation and play your best players in it, players suited to their role. Then tell them to go out and sweat blood and hope that their quality brings more wins than losses.

[Sir David Gray]

You have got to be kidding.

We've done better than the dross of last season, but a few more games like the last few and we'll end up in the same position.

We've spent good money and backed Yogi with some real cash whilst other managers have had to sell. So it seems reasonable to be annoyed at the recent dross being passed off as football. Yogi needs to start getting a lot more out of our squad than he's currently doing. I don't know whether the problem is with the players or how he's using them, but there is a real problem.

There's nothing wrong with any Hibs supportor being disappointed just now. Quite why we should be satisfied with throwing away points that will surely seriously hurt us later is clearly mental. If this isn't sorted, and fast, we will be watching any chance of a cup final disappear with the usual whimper.

So you should now know where I think you should stick your "FFS "

Sadly I have to agree.

Up until seven days ago, I was extremely happy with how things were looking and I was really optimistic. We had a fairly good first half at Ibrox last week where we looked quite comfortable. Unfortunately we crumbled a bit in the second half but losing to Rangers at Ibrox is not something that any Scottish team should be too alarmed about. However Wednesday night's performance and result was shocking, embarrassing and totally unacceptable. No Hibs team should be losing 5-1 to any other SPL side, I would even include the Old Firm in that statement now that they have lesser squads than they used to have. The players should have been ashamed of themselves when they came in for training on Thursday morning.

Then we got to today. I accept playing with ten men for an hour didn't help matters and that the pitch was disgraceful, but I'm not convinced that we would have played any better, if we had played on a perfect surface. We rarely threatened their goal throughout the 90 minutes and although Graham Stack didn't have all that much more to do, I was still left disappointed with our lack of creativity and invention up front.

So much has been said about how we are totally different to how we were last season and most of the time that is absolutely spot on but I thought today was boring and brought back some painful memories of what we used to watch 12 months ago. I just don't want us to spoil all the hard work that has been put in over the past six months or so by falling away during the run-in. We have come so far and have put ourselves in a fantastic position to qualify for Europe that it would be a travesty if we were to undo all that by pressing the self destruct button and ending up in 5th place or something like that.

It was easy for the coaching staff to get the players going and to set team talks and tactics etc during our unbeaten spell. Now that we are hitting some poor form, the big challenge will be to see if Hughes and Rice can bring this sudden slump to a halt and guide the team back to winning ways, sooner rather than later.

[erskine-hibby]

I agree that there hasn't seemed much bite, although by all accounts of folk at the game today we did compete all over the field.

I think today's team was set-up to be like that as well, with the midfield full of competitors. That allied to a few bad individual performances on Wednesday and a ******* pitch meant today's team kinda picked itself (although I would have had Bamba out the team as he's been indifferent since returning from the ACN).

IMO, we should only name the adventurous line-up of four "attackers" when McBride and Miller are starting, it only seems to work with those two dove-tailing each other in the centre. Either that or we bring in a midfielder in the summer who can fill in for those two capably.

If one (or both) of them aren't in the starting XI, I would think that playing a simple 4-4-2 and putting our best XI would be enough. Our best XI is quite simply the third best line-up in the league quality-wise and that should be enough, if the commitment and application is there to back it up.

Football's a simple game that's often over-complicated I think. In my humble opinion, choose a simple formation and play your best players in it, players suited to their role. Then tell them to go out and sweat blood and hope that their quality brings more wins than losses.

I agree, but there is little point in just competing, we must be better than the opposition and quite frankly, in the last few games, we haven't.

[Steve20]

This must be a joke. The best we are getting this season is 5th.

Having been at Ibrox,McDiarmid Park and Fir Park, it has proved that Yogi has not got a clue when the going gets tough.

[erskine-hibby]

This must be a joke. The best we are getting this season is 5th.

Having been at Ibrox,McDiarmid Park and Fir Park, it has proved that Yogi has not got a clue when the going gets tough.

Not too sure about the position, but I do have to question Yogi and his tactics at the moment:agree:

[jacomo]

Yogi said he's not spent a penny. :confused:

He's being very selective with the truth, there.

You have to accept - whatever your view of Yogi - that the current manager has had a bigger budget than Mixu, Collins or Mowbray.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

This must be a joke. The best we are getting this season is 5th.

Having been at Ibrox,McDiarmid Park and Fir Park, it has proved that Yogi has not got a clue when the going gets tough.

The going's been tough all season. It's just that we've won most of those games.

I take it Yogi has just struck lucky in the games prior to the last three?

Show a bit of faith. I can imagine it must have been piss poor to have been at the last three games and seen us walk away with nil puis in each of them, but keep the chin up. One look at the table says that after 26 games played, we're the 3rd best team in the league.

I'd go as far to suggest that if I were to show anyone the current league table back in August and say "would you be happy with that?" everyone would snap my hand off.

Granted, it could have been a lot better if you look at the last three games in isolation. But to look at those three games in isolation and form a judgement on this side is an insult to the great strides we've taken since the summer prior to the Rangers game.

[Shrekko]

I'm delighted with the season in the main but if something (like today) really disappoints me I dont feel guilty going on hibs.net to express my dissatisfaction, just like when something happens I do like I'll be on expressing my satisfaction.

It's just the way football is- all those who have made the effort to travel to the last couple of away games arent going to just write it off because we've had other good days this season. Be something wrong if you could do that.

[erskine-hibby]

The going's been tough all season. It's just that we've won most of those games.

I take it Yogi has just struck lucky in the games prior to the last three?

Show a bit of faith. I can imagine it must have been piss poor to have been at the last three games and seen us walk away with nil puis in each of them, but keep the chin up. One look at the table says that after 26 games played, we're the 3rd best team in the league.

I'd go as far to suggest that if I were to show anyone the current league table back in August and say "would you be happy with that?" everyone would snap my hand off.

Granted, it could have been a lot better if you look at the last three games in isolation. But to look at those three games in isolation and form a judgement on this side is an insult to the great strides we've taken since the summer prior to the Rangers game.

That's a bit strong.
If it were the end of the season I would agree, but we still have a way to go and can only judge on current performances. You can't be happy with those??

[greenlex]

That's a bit strong.
If it were the end of the season I would agree, but we still have a way to go and can only judge on current performances. You can't be happy with those??
Well judge on the performances then. There was nothing wrong with today's performance. Nothing wrong with the performance at Ibrox with a pile off poo sandwiched in between. Are you pushing the panic button on that? Could it be you are getting results mixed up with performance? Could it be that you are just as greetin faced as you have always been? :wink:

[Pedantic_Hibee]

That's a bit strong.
If it were the end of the season I would agree, but we still have a way to go and can only judge on current performances. You can't be happy with those??

With the last 3 results, no I'm not happy with them. I'd be a masochist if I was.

But overall, I'm delighted with our improvement this season, I think we're exceeding expectations and more than anything else, I've never been as confident about Hibs in my life as I have been this season and I've never looked forward to the future as a Hibs fan as much as I am now. The last 3 results won't change that, as disappointing as they may be.

[erskine-hibby]

Well judge on the performances then. There was nothing wrong with today's performance. Nothing wrong with the performance at Ibrox with a pile off poo sandwiched in between. Are you pushing the panic button on that? Could it be you are getting results mixed up with performance? Could it be that you are just as greetin faced as you have always been? :wink:

Perhaps I am justa greetin face, as you put it.
Myself, I think I am a realist and for me results tend to go with performance. We haven't got the results, hence, our performances have been below par also.
There is nothing, nothing to suggest that this will change next week, but football is a funny game and it may just click again...at least i hope so:agree:

[erskine-hibby]

With the last 3 results, no I'm not happy with them. I'd be a masochist if I was.

But overall, I'm delighted with our improvement this season, I think we're exceeding expectations and more than anything else, I've never been as confident about Hibs in my life as I have been this season and I've never looked forward to the future as a Hibs fan as much as I am now. The last 3 results won't change that, as disappointing as they may be.

Ok, this is a hypothetical question I know, but what if we have a total disaster on the run in and we end up 5th, will you still be as happy??

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Ok, this is a hypothetical question I know, but what if we have a total disaster on the run in and we end up 5th, will you still be as happy??


Looking at the bigger picture, yes I would be.

I would be disappointed that we would have slipped from a "seemingly unassailable" position in 3rd of course, but overall, I would be happy enough that the squad has improved, the budget has improved and that in John Hughes, we're only going to get better.

Looking back to the start of this season, I would have been happy with a top 6 spot and signs of improvement with a decent cup run thrown into the mix. That was my viewpoint as a Hibs fan with realistic ambitions.

So right now, 26 games into a 38 game campaign, we're in 3rd despite losing our last 3 games, we're in the quarters of the Scottish Cup and we've got an ambitious, straight-talking manager with Hibs at heart who has players that want to play for him. I can't grumble.

[erskine-hibby]

Looking at the bigger picture, yes I would be.

I would be disappointed that we would have slipped from a "seemingly unassailable" position in 3rd of course, but overall, I would be happy enough that the squad has improved, the budget has improved and that in John Hughes, we're only going to get better.

Looking back to the start of this season, I would have been happy with a top 6 spot and signs of improvement with a decent cup run thrown into the mix. That was my viewpoint as a Hibs fan with realistic ambitions.

So right now, 26 games into a 38 game campaign, we're in 3rd despite losing our last 3 games, we're in the quarters of the Scottish Cup and we've got an ambitious, straight-talking manager with Hibs at heart who has players that want to play for him. I can't grumble.

Fair enough, but for me at the start of the season I would agree with you, but as it has progressed my expectations have changed (and i'm sure this is the same for many others), so if we were to slide down now i would be bitterly disappointed.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Fair enough, but for me at the start of the season I would agree with you, but as it has progressed my expectations have changed (and i'm sure this is the same for many others), so if we were to slide down now i would be bitterly disappointed.

Definitely agree with you on that score.

But surely, to add a bit of meat to the bones of your statement, it's down to Yogi and the players that the expectation levels have been increased? We're a victim of our own success in a sense because as we've exceeded expectations thus far, we've taken the good form for granted and are hurting at the last 3 results?

Not a bad thing per se, it simply shows how far we've come along in such a relatively short space of time that 3 defeats on the spin can cause such uproar. 3 defeats on the spin under the past few managers would have more than a few casting aspersions and questioning the manager's long term future.....I've yet to see one post on this site stating Yogi should go.

In a nutshell, you're quite right to be disappointed by the last 3 results, any sane Hibs fan would; but don't let those 3 results undermine what has been nothing short of a remarkable improvement from this time last year.

We'll be back mate, I've never been more certain (and trust me, I'm normally a pessimist on all things Hibs).

To sum it up, when BlackpoolHibs becomes a happy clapper, you know we're doing well :wink:

[erskine-hibby]

Definitely agree with you on that score.

But surely, to add a bit of meat to the bones of your statement, it's down to Yogi and the players that the expectation levels have been increased? We're a victim of our own success in a sense because as we've exceeded expectations thus far, we've taken the good form for granted and are hurting at the last 3 results?

Not a bad thing per se, it simply shows how far we've come along in such a relatively short space of time that 3 defeats on the spin can cause such uproar. 3 defeats on the spin under the past few managers would have more than a few casting aspersions and questioning the manager's long term future.....I've yet to see one post on this site stating Yogi should go.

In a nutshell, you're quite right to be disappointed by the last 3 results, any sane Hibs fan would; but don't let those 3 results undermine what has been nothing short of a remarkable improvement from this time last year.

We'll be back mate, I've never been more certain (and trust me, I'm normally a pessimist on all things Hibs).

To sum it up, when BlackpoolHibs becomes a happy clapper, you know we're doing well :wink:

I would not deny that we have improved greatly since last season, but it does not change that we could end up in the same position. Which, as i say would be Very disappointing.
Hopefully we can pull it around and stop the rot before it sets in.

As for BPH, like the beach he changes with the tide i think:agree: