Naked Rambler

[GlesgaeHibby]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/tayside_and_central/8504762.stm

The Naked Rambler has been handed his longest sentence to date, of 21 months.

What a waste of money keeping him in jail. Who gives a toss if he wants to walk around naked?

[Jack]

IIRC the guy is English. Just get a court order banning him from Scotland - end of our problem :confused:

[lapsedhibee]

Who gives a toss if he wants to walk around naked?

1. Professional Offendees
2. The Easily Offended Brigade

These two groups used to be just the one, but splintered after someone arrived late or left early wearing socks which didn't match.

[--------]

Send him to Mull around the middle of July.

Tell him he has to live in a tent, can't come indoors, and he can't leave until the end of October.

And don't let him have any midge repellent. :devil:




That'd cool his ardour. :wink:

[Loopz]

Send him to Mull around the middle of July.

Tell him he has to live in a tent, can't come indoors, and he can't leave until the end of October.

And don't let him have any midge repellent. :devil:




That'd cool his ardour. :wink:

Someone that wants to live by the laws of the natural world should not be ordered to be sent anywhere. They would choose to live in an environment that best suited them and their free choice.

[(((Fergus)))]

Maybe the issue with this guy is that they don't want wee kids seeing his hairy sack and blue chilled bell-end unannounced.

[Jack]

Someone that wants to live by the laws of the natural world should not be ordered to be sent anywhere. They would choose to live in an environment that best suited them and their free choice.

Eh! No Loopz. Living within society we all have free choices and rights but with them we also have responsibilities. Society has decided he does not have the right to walk around naked in public places (other than those places designated for nudity). He has a responsibility to dress in an appropriate manner.

It’s a bit like football. Some folk think they have the right to hurl abuse at all and sundry using the most foul language and sing songs that are deliberately offensive. However they have a responsibility to those around them to act in a decent and responsible way. :devil:

My apologies for the people who are now going to come on and hijack this thread. :grr:

[Twa Cairpets]

Eh! No Loopz. Living within society we all have free choices and rights but with them we also have responsibilities. Society has decided he does not have the right to walk around naked in public places (other than those places designated for nudity). He has a responsibility to dress in an appropriate manner.

It’s a bit like football. Some folk think they have the right to hurl abuse at all and sundry using the most foul language and sing songs that are deliberately offensive. However they have a responsibility to those around them to act in a decent and responsible way. :devil:

My apologies for the people who are now going to come on and hijack this thread. :grr:


Good point. At a kind of liberal "why get worked up about it, it's only nudity" level I cant help but think whats all the fuss about, but actually I agree that he is being wantonly exhibitionist, and, basically, a bit of a tit. From what I gather, he is a long distance walker, doing it for his own purposes (but in the name of freedom of expression), doing it in the buff. Personally, I think he is a self indulgent muppet, and as he has had warning after warning, cant complain that his incarceration is unjust.

Incidentally, on his website he describes himself as a "Human Rights Political Prisoner". Wonder what Mcintoshs view of that is?

[khib70]

Eh! No Loopz. Living within society we all have free choices and rights but with them we also have responsibilities. Society has decided he does not have the right to walk around naked in public places (other than those places designated for nudity). He has a responsibility to dress in an appropriate manner.

It’s a bit like football. Some folk think they have the right to hurl abuse at all and sundry using the most foul language and sing songs that are deliberately offensive. However they have a responsibility to those around them to act in a decent and responsible way. :devil:

My apologies for the people who are now going to come on and hijack this thread. :grr:


Good point. At a kind of liberal "why get worked up about it, it's only nudity" level I cant help but think whats all the fuss about, but actually I agree that he is being wantonly exhibitionist, and, basically, a bit of a tit. From what I gather, he is a long distance walker, doing it for his own purposes (but in the name of freedom of expression), doing it in the buff. Personally, I think he is a self indulgent muppet, and as he has had warning after warning, cant complain that his incarceration is unjust.

Incidentally, on his website he describes himself as a "Human Rights Political Prisoner". Wonder what Mcintoshs view of that is?[/QUOTE]
I can't speak for McIntosh :wink: But I suspect that, like me, he will see that as a bit of an insult to all the real political prisoners round the world.

I think the guy is basically a ***** self-publicist. However, he's not doing any real harm, is he? He just walks about in the scud. If he was hanging around primary schools, or waving his manhood at old ladies it would be different. And all this monocle-popping outrage, and flinging him in the pokey is just fuel for his "look at me" machine.

Like Doddie says, a few evenings in the company of the Lochaber midges will have him first in the queue at Millets in short order

[RyeSloan]

The guys is simply a self publicist :wink:

I don't think this has anything to do with people being easily offened...he's breaking the law and he has continually and willfull done so despite umpteen 'requests' not to do so.

The fact that he portrays himself as some sort of peoples freedom fighter is just ridiculous.

Sad that we have to waste money putting him behind bars but what alternative is there when someone is so clearly flouting the law on such a brazzen, noticable and frequent scale?

[RoslinInstHibby]

i think the guy does it cos he loves the publicity he gets from it, its like that guy thats a serial streaker, anything to get in the papers and on the news.....

[Dinkydoo]

Don't really see a problem with this.

He's walking around in the buff, it is illegal (and he knows it) and he's been caught several times.

Can't complain at being imprisioned IMO - he wants to live in society; then abide by the laws of society or campaign to get them changed. :confused:

Since when is blatently breaking the law on numerous occassions ever a gid idea....? Especially when there isn't any productive outcome apart from the children of Perth being free from the fear of meeting this guy at the park for another 6 months :faf:

Comes across as a bit of a fruit loop if you ask me.

[--------]

Don't really see a problem with this.

He's walking around in the buff, it is illegal (and he knows it) and he's been caught several times.

Can't complain at being imprisioned IMO - he wants to live in society; then abide by the laws of society or campaign to get them changed. :confused:

Since when is blatently breaking the law on numerous occassions ever a gid idea....? Especially when there isn't any productive outcome apart from the children of Perth being free from the fear of meeting this guy at the park for another 6 months :faf:

Comes across as a bit of a fruit loop if you ask me.



Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242831/Stephen-Gough-Put-trousers-face-life-bars-Naked-rambler-given-maximum-security-jail-threat.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242831/Stephen-Gough-Put-trousers-face-life-bars-Naked-rambler-given-maximum-security-jail-threat.html)


Two thoughts - one, he's an ex-Marine. Is it possible that his behaviour is a manifestation of post-traumatic stress disorder? Something like 25% of ex-soldiers find themselves in trouble with the law after leaving the service. There isn't a lot of counselling provided - for most, make that NO counselling or any other kind of help. There must be a reason why the guy does what he does - 'fruit-loop', yes, but why?

Two - he's 6' 4" tall. A big fella. I don't think I'd fancy being confronted by a naked guy that size when I was out on my rounds or walking my dog. And I'm 6'1".

How does a woman feel meeting this guy? A woman half his size? That must be VERY alarming, I'd say.

So it's not just a matter of civil liberties. The guy may well be harmless. But then agian he may not. And even if he is, there are other guys who'd loike to be allowed to wander around in the scud, and they AREN'T harmless.

So joking apart, this is a serious matter.

http://jezebel.com/5447188/sarah-palin-booze-babe-serial-nudist-refuses-to-cover-up?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+jezebel%2Ffull+%28Jezebel%29&utm_content=PubSub

• Former Royal Marine and "naked rambler" Stephen Gough (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242831/Put-trousers-face-life-bars-Naked-rambler-given-maximum-security-jail-threat.html?ITO=1490&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailymail%2Fhome+%28Home+|+Ma il+Online%29) has been threatened with life behind bars for repeated indecent exposure. Gough has spent the last seven years in and out of prison for public nudity. Yesterday he was informed that if he got dressed, he would be allowed to go free. Gough refused the offer. "Essentially this is about individual freedom and people's tolerance to other people being different. I understand a lot of people will disagree and have strong feelings about it," he said. • Deborah Mullen, wife of the chairman of the joint Chiefs of Staff issued a reminder to the military: when working to prevent military suicides, don't forget the wives. (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MILITARY_SUICIDES_SPOUSES?SITE=MITRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) Army wives are often just as afraid to seek counseling as their husbands, and too often they believe seeing a therapist would have an adverse effect on their spouse's career.

Interesting that the two items come one after the other, but no connection in the article about Stephen Gough. Suicide is a real problem in the Army - it's stress-related and one symptom of the deeper problem of how soldiers cope with the demands made on them and the pressures they have to undergo.

[lapsedhibee]

Sad that we have to waste money putting him behind bars but what alternative is there when someone is so clearly flouting the law on such a brazzen, noticable and frequent scale?

Would be cheaper to cut all his equipment off so he can't frighten old ladies and young children and then send him on his merry way.

[RyeSloan]

Would be cheaper to cut all his equipment off so he can't frighten old ladies and young children and then send him on his merry way.


Good point, well made :greengrin

[khib70]

Would be cheaper to cut all his equipment off so he can't frighten old ladies and young children and then send him on his merry way.
Wouldn't someone swanning about in the buff with their tackle hacked off be even more frightening?

[Jack]

No more than Action Man :tee hee:

[khib70]

No more than Action Man :tee hee:

:paranoid::eek::offski:[

[Speedy]

Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242831/Stephen-Gough-Put-trousers-face-life-bars-Naked-rambler-given-maximum-security-jail-threat.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242831/Stephen-Gough-Put-trousers-face-life-bars-Naked-rambler-given-maximum-security-jail-threat.html)


Two thoughts - one, he's an ex-Marine. Is it possible that his behaviour is a manifestation of post-traumatic stress disorder? Something like 25% of ex-soldiers find themselves in trouble with the law after leaving the service. There isn't a lot of counselling provided - for most, make that NO counselling or any other kind of help. There must be a reason why the guy does what he does - 'fruit-loop', yes, but why?



This really isn't that relevant and I don't have a source for this, it is simply from my own experience.

I'd say at least 25% of Soldiers are nutters who have problemly been in trouble with the law before service or at least would have been in trouble with the law anyway had they not joined.

[heretoday]

I suppose he has to comply with the law of the land that he lives in.

He might not get such indulgent treatment if he was in, say, Iran or North Korea.

Also, would you want your wife or partner standing at a bus stop with him when he gets an erection?

I don't think so.

[Hibby70]

Also, would you want your wife or partner standing at a bus stop with him when he gets an erection?

Is that how he signals for the bus to stop? Dont see the problem myself - people are far too worried about things like this when theres all sorts of real problems going on.

Its no worse than someone bearing their arse. He's hardly walking around whacking off.

[CropleyWasGod]

Also, would you want your wife or partner standing at a bus stop with him when he gets an erection?
.

In Scotland? In summer?

I don't think so.

[Marabou Stork]

Is that how he signals for the bus to stop?

:faf:

Crying here.

[Hibbyradge]

Yes, it's a waste of money, but it's his fault, not the authorities.

The guy is an egocentric idiot who thinks he's above the law.

Does anyone really expect the courts and police to just let him wander around unchecked?

Imagine the precedent that would set.

You'd have pervs wandering naked outside schools, racists outside Mosques, the list of possible abuses are endless.

Anyone wanting to cause offence would simply get their kit off and wander around outside their target's house or place of work.

[capitals_finest]

The guy is an egocentric twat.

I don't want to look at his cock never mind children but at the same time the cost of him being inside could potentially be the lives of hundreds in another country. If I was the law i would ban the media from giving him any more attention and overlook any beatings that he gets on his travels as he is inciting violence with this behaviour.

[heretoday]

:faf:

Crying here.

I must admit I am laughing too.

Collapse of stout party.......

[.Sean.]

The guy is an egocentric twat.

I don't want to look at his cock never mind children but at the same time the cost of him being inside could potentially be the lives of hundreds in another country. If I was the law i would ban the media from giving him any more attention and overlook any beatings that he gets on his travels as he is inciting violence with this behaviour.
:agree: In one. An utter fruit-loop.

Say I was out in the country for a walk or that with a bird and a naked tramp walks past with his knob hanging out. Wouldn't half put me off, ken. :devil:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Someone that wants to live by the laws of the natural world should not be ordered to be sent anywhere. They would choose to live in an environment that best suited them and their free choice.

Interesting point. No one arrests cheetahs for stalking and killing gazelles. If we follow the laws of the natural world, then it must be OK for us to kill as well.

I don't think anyone is saying this person can't go naked, just that he can't do it around others. He is not the only person with rights - and if people don't want to live next to someone who walks around in the buff, then surely they don't have to?

[Dinkydoo]

Link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242831/Stephen-Gough-Put-trousers-face-life-bars-Naked-rambler-given-maximum-security-jail-threat.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242831/Stephen-Gough-Put-trousers-face-life-bars-Naked-rambler-given-maximum-security-jail-threat.html)


Two thoughts - one, he's an ex-Marine. Is it possible that his behaviour is a manifestation of post-traumatic stress disorder? Something like 25% of ex-soldiers find themselves in trouble with the law after leaving the service. There isn't a lot of counselling provided - for most, make that NO counselling or any other kind of help. There must be a reason why the guy does what he does - 'fruit-loop', yes, but why?

My dad's mate was in the paras' and recieved virtually no support to help him make the transaction back to every day society from basically being trained to be a killing machine - you could be onto something there. My point was that what he's doing (and then complaining about it) seems completely illogical which indicates to me that he's not quite right. Considering hes been in the Marines, it only seems fair for him to be offered a bit help (if only to establish wheteher he's of such a mental state to be put in jail for his crimes - instead of a Mental Hospital). I mustn't have read the article properly, initially as I had no idea he's an ex-Marine.

Two - he's 6' 4" tall. A big fella. I don't think I'd fancy being confronted by a naked guy that size when I was out on my rounds or walking my dog. And I'm 6'1".

How does a woman feel meeting this guy? A woman half his size? That must be VERY alarming, I'd say.

We were actually discussing this as work last week and the women in the office said the exact same thing - people do tend to get alarmed when they see someone strolling around in the nude (the fact that he's 6'4 would make this all the more distressing for the poor person that happend to meet him at night, alone)

So it's not just a matter of civil liberties. The guy may well be harmless. But then agian he may not. And even if he is, there are other guys who'd loike to be allowed to wander around in the scud, and they AREN'T harmless.

So joking apart, this is a serious matter.

http://jezebel.com/5447188/sarah-palin-booze-babe-serial-nudist-refuses-to-cover-up?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+jezebel%2Ffull+%28Jezebel%29&utm_content=PubSub (http://jezebel.com/5447188/sarah-palin-booze-babe-serial-nudist-refuses-to-cover-up?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+jezebel%2Ffull+%28Jezebel%29&utm_content=PubSub)

• Former Royal Marine and "naked rambler" Stephen Gough (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242831/Put-trousers-face-life-bars-Naked-rambler-given-maximum-security-jail-threat.html?ITO=1490&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailymail%2Fhome+%28Home+|+Ma il+Online%29) has been threatened with life behind bars for repeated indecent exposure. Gough has spent the last seven years in and out of prison for public nudity. Yesterday he was informed that if he got dressed, he would be allowed to go free. Gough refused the offer. "Essentially this is about individual freedom and people's tolerance to other people being different. I understand a lot of people will disagree and have strong feelings about it," he said. • Deborah Mullen, wife of the chairman of the joint Chiefs of Staff issued a reminder to the military: when working to prevent military suicides, don't forget the wives. (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_MILITARY_SUICIDES_SPOUSES?SITE=MITRA&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) Army wives are often just as afraid to seek counseling as their husbands, and too often they believe seeing a therapist would have an adverse effect on their spouse's career.

Interesting that the two items come one after the other, but no connection in the article about Stephen Gough. Suicide is a real problem in the Army - it's stress-related and one symptom of the deeper problem of how soldiers cope with the demands made on them and the pressures they have to undergo.


The main thing that I don't understand is that he wears hiking boots yet doesn't want to wear anything to cover his tackle; he could at least be consistently naked and not just without any pants ffs lol because it then just comes across as a bit creepy.

I mean fine, if you want to call yourself a naturist (or whatever) and go out and live in the woods naked then be my guest. But to "choose" not to wear anything to cover your privates as an illustration of freedom doesn't do your arguement any favours IMO - what puts the icing on the cake for me is that he feels as if he should be allowed to walk around publically, naked.

There is something not quite right about that - maybe because of the reasons above...:confused:

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The main thing that I don't understand is that he wears hiking boots yet doesn't want to wear anything to cover his tackle; he could at least be consistently naked and not just without any pants ffs lol because it then just comes across as a bit creepy.

I mean fine, if you want to call yourself a naturist (or whatever) and go out and live in the woods naked then be my guest. But to "choose" not to wear anything to cover your privates as an illustration of freedom doesn't do your arguement any favours IMO - what puts the icing on the cake for me is that he feels as if he should be allowed to walk around publically, naked.

There is something not quite right about that - maybe because of the reasons above...:confused:

:agree: I don't think the guy's taking up a 'logical' stance on 'freedom' - I think there must be a mental problem somewhere.

However, a 6' 4" ex-Marine wandering around naked is a seriously alarming prospect for anyone in any reasonable society. I would imagine that even his near presence constitutes an actual threat to any child or woman, regardless of whether he himself harbours criminal motives.

And again, he might just be an arrogant, selfish pillock.

[RyeSloan]

Back in the tin pail I see:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-19585483

[HibsMax]

Nudity, and people's reaction to it, has always amused me. We're all the same under our clothes, why get upset about it? It's all well and good telling people where they can and cannot be nude but the number of places you can be nude is tiny. Why would a person want to be nude? Who cares as long as they aren't doing any harm? I'm not sure when in our history man decided to cover up but I am pretty certain the reasons for doing so were more related to protection from the elements than being concerned someone sees your "private parts". We're so uptight about things like nudity and sex, so much so that both are considered taboo when in reality they are about as natural as you can get. I know it's all part and parcel of civilisation but I still find it laughable.

[HibsMax]

Interesting point. No one arrests cheetahs for stalking and killing gazelles. If we follow the laws of the natural world, then it must be OK for us to kill as well.

I don't think anyone is saying this person can't go naked, just that he can't do it around others. He is not the only person with rights - and if people don't want to live next to someone who walks around in the buff, then surely they don't have to?

It is OK for us to kill as well. Hunting.

Why does the person who wants to live their life clothed have more rights than the person who doesn't? Where does the person who wants to live their life naked live? Do they have to up sticks and move to Africa?

I think these are legitimate questions but I also already know the answers. It's about living in a society governed by the laws of that society. My point is that somewhere along the line someone determined that walking around naked is against the law and that's a little strange considering we come into this world naked. If it wasn't for these "silly" laws then I doubt anyone would have an issue with people in the nude. We only have an issue because we've been conditioned over many generations to feel that way.

IMO.

EDIT : for the record I have no real issue with living by the laws of society because, on the whole, they make life much better. We don't have people running around killing, raping and stealing as much as if there was no order at all. I see the problem with kllling. I see the problem with stealing. I see the problem with sexual assault. And so on. What is the fundamental problem with people being nude? I suppose hygiene could be an issue. I'm not sold on "danger to women and children" though. I seriously doubt that prehistoric man was wandering around wishing for someone to invent clothes because of all the grief he got for walking around naked. Our dislike of nudity IS learned behaviour.

[RyeSloan]

It is OK for us to kill as well. Hunting.

Why does the person who wants to live their life clothed have more rights than the person who doesn't? Where does the person who wants to live their life naked live? Do they have to up sticks and move to Africa?

I think these are legitimate questions but I also already know the answers. It's about living in a society governed by the laws of that society. My point is that somewhere along the line someone determined that walking around naked is against the law and that's a little strange considering we come into this world naked. If it wasn't for these "silly" laws then I doubt anyone would have an issue with people in the nude. We only have an issue because we've been conditioned over many generations to feel that way.

IMO.

EDIT : for the record I have no real issue with living by the laws of society because, on the whole, they make life much better. We don't have people running around killing, raping and stealing as much as if there was no order at all. I see the problem with kllling. I see the problem with stealing. I see the problem with sexual assault. And so on. What is the fundamental problem with people being nude? I suppose hygiene could be an issue. I'm not sold on "danger to women and children" though. I seriously doubt that prehistoric man was wandering around wishing for someone to invent clothes because of all the grief he got for walking around naked. Our dislike of nudity IS learned behaviour.

It may be learned but then so is much more....why not learn and then behave accordingly?

Using the wants and desires of pre historic man is not the strongest argument....what about all the other billions of homo sapiens that have decided being clothed in public is they way to go?

[heretoday]

Maybe the issue with this guy is that they don't want wee kids seeing his hairy sack and blue chilled bell-end unannounced.

Exactly. Especially if it was in an excited condition!

Actually, the authorities are saving this guy's skin. It would only have been a matter of time before an irate father, husband or son gave him a good kicking.

[HibsMax]

It may be learned but then so is much more....why not learn and then behave accordingly?

Using the wants and desires of pre historic man is not the strongest argument....what about all the other billions of homo sapiens that have decided being clothed in public is they way to go?

I agree, we should learn and move forward and not "be stuck in the stone age". But what is wrong with nudity? Why does the naked body cause so much outrage? Why is it OK to see someone's face, hands, legs, arms, feet, tummy, back, etc......but not their nipples or genitalia? I think people, nowadays, associate nudity with perversion. That might be true in some respects but people can be equally perverted while covered from head to toe.

[RyeSloan]

I agree, we should learn and move forward and not "be stuck in the stone age". But what is wrong with nudity? Why does the naked body cause so much outrage? Why is it OK to see someone's face, hands, legs, arms, feet, tummy, back, etc......but not their nipples or genitalia? I think people, nowadays, associate nudity with perversion. That might be true in some respects but people can be equally perverted while covered from head to toe.


I don't think there is automatic outrage at nudity and it's pretty safe to safe modern societies acceptance of such things is much broader than it was even 20 -30 years ago (check out any lads mag or gossip mag widely available in most UK newsagents for example).

Genitalia are not just arms and legs are they? They are used for certain bodily functions and of course procreation......there is clearly a difference between a guy wearing t-shirt and shorts and thus exposing legs and arms compared to being subjected to a totally nude guy with his tadger on full show. That's before you even consider health or practical implications. This difference has been accepted by most civilisations for quite some time and I'm not sensing too much desire for that to change.

As for nudity = perversion and what's wrong with nudity. I think it depends a lot on circumstance. A naked guy standing next to a kids play park is vastly different from a woman lying topless on a sun lounger.

[lapsedhibee]

Nudity, and people's reaction to it, has always amused me. We're all the same under our clothes, why get upset about it? .

I'm not. I've got two ******* and three *********.

[RyeSloan]

I'm not. I've got two ******* and three *********.

Prolapsehibee :confused: :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

Prolapsehibee :confused: :greengrin
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