Blackburn - waste of money

[lapsedhibee]

21 years in jail? Waste of public money. I'll do it masel and get a good night's sleep afterwards.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6976557.ece

[IndieHibby]

Jesus. The guy deserves to die. I'd settle for throwing away the key, however.

21 years! He won't even be 40 before he's let out.

Her family must have been through unimaginable torment. Her dad actually held her body as she lay dying.

Makes you want to weep.

[PC Stamp]

The good old British justice system once again. Whilst there's no guarantee that he'll be released after 21 years, it's a reasonable bet he will if he behaves. At 39 he could still conceivably have as many years of freedom ahead of him again. Meanwhile the young lassie's life he took was snuffed out before she'd been given a chance to achieve anything and now her family are left to wonder. I'd wager that in the UK you'd likely get around 14 years for armed robbery even if no weapons were discharged or anyone injured, which probably isn't too unreasonable ..... yet it seems you can commit a barbaric murder such as this one and get only a third as much more on top!

In the USA, if not in a death sentence state, the lowlife wee scrote would probably get at least 5 life sentences and never see freedom again. The death sentence part is of course always up for debate, with many for and many against ...... but I for one wouldn't question the American way when it comes to setting sensible jail terms. You commit a crime over there you do proper time!

[PeeJay]

The good old British justice system once again. Whilst there's no guarantee that he'll be released after 21 years, it's a reasonable bet he will if he behaves. At 39 he could still conceivably have as many years of freedom ahead of him again. Meanwhile the young lassie's life he took was snuffed out before she'd been given a chance to achieve anything and now her family are left to wonder. I'd wager that in the UK you'd likely get around 14 years for armed robbery even if no weapons were discharged or anyone injured, which probably isn't too unreasonable ..... yet it seems you can commit a barbaric murder such as this one and get only a third as much more on top!

In the USA, if not in a death sentence state, the lowlife wee scrote would probably get at least 5 life sentences and never see freedom again. The death sentence part is of course always up for debate, with many for and many against ...... but I for one wouldn't question the American way when it comes to setting sensible jail terms. You commit a crime over there you do proper time!

I would never wish the US crime system on anyone. It's corrupted beyond belief IMO and it certainly does not solve any social/criminal problems over there.
I have no problem with locking people like the UK kid mentioned here up "forever". One does have to wonder if he could be (re-)socialised and welcomed back into the community at some stage. However, if he does, at some point, fully realise what a terrible crime he committed and if, through time spent inside, he truly becomes "repentent", and wishes to become a normal member of society should we really - as a society - then deny him that opportunity, after he has served a suitable sentence (proper time)? Why lock him up if that opportunity is not on the table?

[ArabHibee]

I would never wish the US crime system on anyone. It's corrupted beyond belief IMO and it certainly does not solve any social/criminal problems over there.
I have no problem with locking people like the UK kid mentioned here up "forever". One does have to wonder if he could be (re-)socialised and welcomed back into the community at some stage. However, if he does, at some point, fully realise what a terrible crime he committed and if, through time spent inside, he truly becomes "repentent", and wishes to become a normal member of society should we really - as a society - then deny him that opportunity, after he has served a suitable sentence (proper time)? Why lock him up if that opportunity is not on the table?

Pity he wasn't thinking about the opportunities he was denying Jessica McCagh when he chucked petrol over her and set her on fire, eh?

[lapsedhibee]

Why lock him up ...

Why indeed.

[Beefster]

I would never wish the US crime system on anyone. It's corrupted beyond belief IMO and it certainly does not solve any social/criminal problems over there.
I have no problem with locking people like the UK kid mentioned here up "forever". One does have to wonder if he could be (re-)socialised and welcomed back into the community at some stage. However, if he does, at some point, fully realise what a terrible crime he committed and if, through time spent inside, he truly becomes "repentent", and wishes to become a normal member of society should we really - as a society - then deny him that opportunity, after he has served a suitable sentence (proper time)? Why lock him up if that opportunity is not on the table?

I think this is the issue. He's denied a young girl probably in excess of 50 years of life but gets 21 years. I don't see how that's 'suitable'.

[PeeJay]

I think this is the issue. He's denied a young girl probably in excess of 50 years of life but gets 21 years. I don't see how that's 'suitable'.

Sure, but how long is suitable or proper? 21 years is a long time IMO.

[Jonnyboy]

Sure, but how long is suitable or proper? 21 years is a long time IMO.

Being dead is a longer time however

[New Corrie]

As usual, typical Daily Mail, Right Wing rhetoric, some of you sound like Richard Littlejohn! Don't you realise that he is a victim of society and needs rehabilitation. While he sits watching his Plasma TV, we should be considering what's best for him. Maybe home visits, an open prison perhaps?

Or we could just execute him and save lot's of much needed money!

But then hey! He might be innocent. The jails are full of innocent people, don't you know?

[ArabHibee]

Being dead is a longer time however

:agree:

[Tinyclothes]

As usual, typical Daily Mail, Right Wing rhetoric, some of you sound like Richard Littlejohn! Don't you realise that he is a victim of society and needs rehabilitation. While he sits watching his Plasma TV, we should be considering what's best for him. Maybe home visits, an open prison perhaps?

Or we could just execute him and save lot's of much needed money!

But then hey! He might be innocent. The jails are full of innocent people, don't you know?

Your bloodlust is so visceral.

Why stop at execution. Let's bring back torture too! That way we can finally start moving forward as a society.

[Twa Cairpets]

As usual, typical Daily Mail, Right Wing rhetoric, some of you sound like Richard Littlejohn! Don't you realise that he is a victim of society and needs rehabilitation. While he sits watching his Plasma TV, we should be considering what's best for him. Maybe home visits, an open prison perhaps?

Or we could just execute him and save lot's of much needed money!

But then hey! He might be innocent. The jails are full of innocent people, don't you know?

Seriously, you shouldnt try sarcasm or irony.

Think about why you want him executed. Is it punishment? Is it eye-for-an-eye type morality? Is it because it is merely because he is obviously a vile and evil piece of crap? I can understand any of these, even if I disagree with capital punishment even for the likes of the piece of trash.

What I do find fairly odious as a moral stance is the desire to kill him on commercial grounds "because he's costing you and me money". Isn't this a fairly dangerous slippery slope to go down?

[New Corrie]

Your bloodlust is so visceral.

Why stop at execution. Let's bring back torture too! That way we can finally start moving forward as a society.


I won't deny having to look up "visceral" in the dictionary. I don't think my "bloodlust" is visceral.......as for bringing back torture, well that's exactly what this guy did. Anyway, it's neither here nor there as Macaskill will have him back walking the streets in no time.

As for moving forward as a society, well Britain has been soft on crime for as long as I can remember and we've been continually going backwards as a society. Maybe we should try a different approach.

[lapsedhibee]

What I do find fairly odious as a moral stance is the desire to kill him on commercial grounds "because he's costing you and me money". Isn't this a fairly dangerous slippery slope to go down?

Don't be daft. Economic decisions on who will live, and for how long, and who will not are made every day of every year in the NHS. Do you find the NHS dangerous? :confused:

[Tinyclothes]

I won't deny having to look up "visceral" in the dictionary. I don't think my "bloodlust" is visceral.......as for bringing back torture, well that's exactly what this guy did. Anyway, it's neither here nor there as Macaskill will have him back walking the streets in no time.

As for moving forward as a society, well Britain has been soft on crime for as long as I can remember and we've been continually going backwards as a society. Maybe we should try a different approach.

Can't you see the difference between one lunatic bringing back torture and a state implementing it?

Also, how has this society been going backwards and what would you like to see, apart from more killing, in order to get us moving in the 'right' direction again?

'This society has been moving backwards.' Exactly the kind of unsubstantiated rhetoric that angry, vengeful people trot out to justify their hateful perception of the world.

[Twa Cairpets]

Don't be daft. Economic decisions on who will live, and for how long, and who will not are made every day of every year in the NHS. Do you find the NHS dangerous? :confused:

Like TinyClothes post above, I think its a different thing being compared. I take your point on economic decisions being made in the NHS though - just because its wrong there doesnt make it acceptable to be equally wrong in another sector.

Please dont get me wrong. I'd have this guy locked away in solitary for life (meaning life), on subsistence rations and very basic "comforts", but I still think state sanctioned judicial killing of criminals is wrong.