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H18sry
04-01-2010, 08:30 AM
Watching the draw in the pub last night and noticed that, Dirty Leeds were the last team drawn out, they were also the last team drawn out of the last round aswell, strange occurrence :agree: I wonder what are the odds of that happening :greengrin

Part/Time Supporter
04-01-2010, 08:36 AM
Watching the draw in the pub last night and noticed that, Dirty Leeds were the last team drawn out, they were also the last team drawn out of the last round aswell, strange occurrence :agree: I wonder what are the odds of that happening :greengrin

1/64 * 1/32 = 1/2048

:cool2:

lapsedhibee
04-01-2010, 08:48 AM
1/64 * 1/32 = 1/2048

:cool2:

The odds against another League One side, Brighton, being drawn where they were in both rounds are also 1/2048. That's too much to be just coincidence. Fix!

H18sry
04-01-2010, 09:41 AM
1/64 * 1/32 = 1/2048

:cool2:

Is it not 64-1x63-1x62x1 and so on down to 2x1 then x 32x1 all the way down to 2x1 again or am I being to complex :devil:

Baldy Foghorn
04-01-2010, 09:46 AM
1/64 * 1/32 = 1/2048

:cool2:

I think 1/2048 is wrong, it is much higher in terms of the possible permutations. Probably miles higher?

Part/Time Supporter
04-01-2010, 09:54 AM
Is it not 64-1x63-1x62x1 and so on down to 2x1 then x 32x1 all the way down to 2x1 again or am I being to complex :devil:

I suppose it would be, now that I think about it for a moment, because you do have to factor in the chance of them being drawn each time a ball is pulled out of the hat.

Just a shame that Liverpool are still in the draw an' all.

:devil:

I'm_cabbaged
04-01-2010, 10:14 AM
I think 1/2048 is wrong, it is much higher in terms of the possible permutations. Probably miles higher?

Nah, if you put ten numbers in a hat the odds of picking a number would be 10/1, put it back in and the odds would be the same for picking that number. If you get what I mean. :greengrin

lapsedhibee
04-01-2010, 10:17 AM
I think 1/2048 is wrong, it is much higher in terms of the possible permutations. Probably miles higher?

Question wasn't about permutations. It was about position in the draw.

H18sry
04-01-2010, 10:41 AM
Nah, if you put ten numbers in a hat the odds of picking a number would be 10/1, put it back in and the odds would be the same for picking that number. If you get what I mean. :greengrin

Then the odds drop to 9-1 then 8-1 and all the way down :agree:

Baldy Foghorn
04-01-2010, 12:36 PM
Question wasn't about permutations. It was about position in the draw.

Which in turn equates to a permutation. If two draws what would the chance of the team being drawn 1st in both draws, or 4th in draw 1 and 10th in draw two. It means there are lots of differing ways the team can be drawn over the two draws.

I'm_cabbaged
04-01-2010, 12:46 PM
Which in turn equates to a permutation. If two draws what would the chance of the team being drawn 1st in both draws, or 4th in draw 1 and 10th in draw two. It means there are lots of differing ways the team can be drawn over the two draws.

Which in turn equates to 64 x 32. :wink:

lapsedhibee
04-01-2010, 12:47 PM
Which in turn equates to a permutation. If two draws what would the chance of the team being drawn 1st in both draws

1/2048

or 4th in draw 1 and 10th in draw two.

1/2048

It means there are lots of differing ways the team can be drawn over the two draws.
Yes, indeed. 2048.
What are your answers to your own questions? :confused:

Baldy Foghorn
04-01-2010, 12:52 PM
1/2048

1/2048

Yes, indeed. 2048.
What are your answers to your own questions? :confused:

:hmmm:

CropleyWasGod
04-01-2010, 12:54 PM
Then the odds drop to 9-1 then 8-1 and all the way down :agree:

Not if you put the ball back every time.

H18sry
04-01-2010, 01:02 PM
Not if you put the ball back every time.

but they dont put the balls back when you do a draw, so as I thought it must be 64x63x62x61 all the way down then that total x 32x31 all the way down. I think :greengrin

Killiehibbie
04-01-2010, 01:16 PM
but they dont put the balls back when you do a draw, so as I thought it must be 64x63x62x61 all the way down then that total x 32x31 all the way down. I think :greengrin

If you chose Leeds before a ball was drawn to be last out of the hat for round 3 chances were £1 @ 1 in 64 or 63/1, if you then put all your winnings from hypotheticalbets.com on them being last out again for round 4 chances are 1 in 32x64=2047/1 or £2048 return. You would only total up 64x63 etc if you backed them again after each ball came out.

CropleyWasGod
04-01-2010, 03:50 PM
but they dont put the balls back when you do a draw, so as I thought it must be 64x63x62x61 all the way down then that total x 32x31 all the way down. I think :greengrin

I was responding to your response to this...

"Nah, if you put ten numbers in a hat the odds of picking a number would be 10/1, put it back in and the odds would be the same for picking that number."

I think...:greengrin

I'm_cabbaged
04-01-2010, 03:53 PM
but they dont put the balls back when you do a draw, so as I thought it must be 64x63x62x61 all the way down then that total x 32x31 all the way down. I think :greengrin

Yes, if you wanted the odds of predicting the full draws in correct order.