Maka

[TornadoHibby]

Whether it was technically a foul or not is immaterial IMO. He should have punched the ball, as it was too risky to attempt a catch.

And your level of goalkeeping experience in the playing sense at this level (at least) is.....................................:cool2:

So, looks like the facts suggest that he was fouled so let's not let the truth get in the way of a "good story" then eh? :grr:

PS. I'm reading the thread from back to front as I can't bear to remind myself of some of the fabrications that this one started off with! :cool2:

[hibiedude]

With Goalkeepers its all about skill and confidence

Maka has limited Skill and as for confidence it has completely gone.

I think this guy should be moved in January for his own sake because its never going work for him at Hibs

I think we should move for the Falkirk Goalie as back up for Stack

I had to laugh at some of the replies on his topic the best being one Hibs fan telling another one; 'your opinions' have no credibility at all anymore on this site :faf::faf:

[TornadoHibby]

i like maka as a person but he is NOT a good keeper. Let him find a club that he will do a average job for for. We can find a back up for Stack and move on.

LTYF! :confused: :grr:

[Danderhall Hibs]

And your level of goalkeeping experience in the playing sense at this level (at least) is.....................................:cool2:

I assume your experience matches his?


LTYF! :confused: :grr:

He's definitely not - I know him.

[Hibs Spain]

Just seen it on the telly and I don't think there was enough in it for him to drop it. He may well have been touched but not enough to make him drop the ball.

Incidentally SSN also called it a blunder - maybe they've got an agenda against us as well as the weegie media?Three games seven out of nine points lost ONE goal saved numerous that Static wouldn't have reached and we've got people on here saying he's rubbish!!:greengrin

[TornadoHibby]

I assume your experience matches his?

I have no such experience but, as a result, wouldn't start posting statements anywhere let alone on here which might even remotely suggest that I had :yawn:

He's definitely not - I know him.

Well for someone who's been registered here for around 7 years he doesn't say much and that, I've noticed, usually leads to a Yam "revealing" him/herself when the :fishin: posts begin! :agree: :greengrin



:wink:

[Danderhall Hibs]

:wink:

But you're defending him as if he's done nothing wrong - suggesting that you know what you're taking about, especially when you someone on the other side of the argument doesn't know what he's talking about 'cos he's never played in the SPL.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Three games seven out of nine points lost ONE goal saved numerous that Static wouldn't have reached and we've got people on here saying he's rubbish!!:greengrin

We don't know Stack wouldn't have saved them. What we do know is that yet again Maka has 2 1/2 decent games (forgetting all the stuff from the Falkirk game) then chucks in a clanger.

That's what he's consistently done over his time at Hibs. A few good games followed by a clanger. Sometimes looks good but you know he's due one.

[blackpoolhibs]

He dropped it or he was fouled, whatever your view, once again Maka has split the fans. Not good for the club, thats why Stack will be No1 and Maka will not be at the club next season.

[Danderhall Hibs]

He dropped it or he was fouled, whatever your view, once again Maka has split the fans. Not good for the club, thats why Stack will be No1 and Maka will not be at the club next season.

I think the guy might have glanced him on his way past but nowhere near enough for him to go on to fall into Hogg and drop the ball.

As TOAODS said a big guy like him should be able to use his strength - but for some reason he can't or won't.

[BEEJ]

And your level of goalkeeping experience in the playing sense at this level (at least) is.....................................:cool2:



I assume your experience matches his?



I have no such experience but, as a result, wouldn't start posting statements anywhere let alone on here which might even remotely suggest that I had
Presumably that means then that (like the rest of us non-goalkeepers) you are in no position to judge when a keeper has made a great save either. :rolleyes:

So we are unable to pass judgement either way. :greengrin

[Jumbo]

Three games seven out of nine points lost ONE goal saved numerous that Static wouldn't have reached and we've got people on here saying he's rubbish!!:greengrin

Those will be the routine saves any goalkeeper should make, if it was Stack that had made them:wink:

[blackpoolhibs]

I think the guy might have glanced him on his way past but nowhere near enough for him to go on to fall into Hogg and drop the ball.

As TOAODS said a big guy like him should be able to use his strength - but for some reason he can't or won't.

In your opinion, others think differently. Thats the point, you either like him or not. The fans seem to be split. With Stack, there is only a couple who think he's crap, most are happy with him, we dont have weekly inquests into his gaffs, and the manager seems to prefer him. That will do for me.:wink:

[Danderhall Hibs]

In your opinion

:agree: That's why I started my post with "I think" :wink:

[Hibs Spain]

We don't know Stack wouldn't have saved them. What we do know is that yet again Maka has 2 1/2 decent games (forgetting all the stuff from the Falkirk game) then chucks in a clanger.

That's what he's consistently done over his time at Hibs. A few good games followed by a clanger. Sometimes looks good but you know he's due one.It wasn't a clanger.It was a difficult ball. Nine out of ten a foul.How would you describe the ball Static dropped against St Mirren that nearly caused a penalty!

[Danderhall Hibs]

It wasn't a clanger.It was a difficult ball. Nine out of ten a foul.How would you describe the ball Static dropped against St Mirren that nearly caused a penalty!

In your opinion. Looked a straight foward catch to me - especially for someone of his size.

That's this one and the Aberdeen one where he's been in the 1/10 not getting a foul - do you make our own bad luck?

Can't remember the Stack "nearly a penalty" one. No doubt if I google the match reports I'll be able to read all about it though - there's no way that the media would've allowed a Hibs goalies mistake to slip through the net?

[blackpoolhibs]

Can't remember the Stack "nearly a penalty" one.

Thats the problem, it was nearly a penalty, whenever Maka is involved, there is always a goal conceded.

[Hibbyradge]

I wasn't at the game and haven't seen the highlights yet, so I don't know if Maka should have done better for Killie's goal.

Although I agree that the first few posts, from folk who were also not at the game, are way OTT and decidedly Yammish, I'm getting concerned that people are being dissed for daring to voice any concern when it involves Maka. That's not right.

Here is an extract from the BBC report;

Jamie Hamill fired a cross from the right into a busy penalty area and, although the goalkeeper rose as though in command of the situation, he spilled the ball horribly and the striker reacted first to bundle home.

Ma-Kalambay had hearts in mouths again moments later when he missed a Hay free-kick from the left and Wright was allowed to head narrowly wide of the left-hand post.

From the coments on this thread, I'm guessing that none of this is accurate. :dunno:

I really would prefer, however, if our keeper wasn't the subject of controversy every second week, whether on here, on the radio or in the press.

Last week Maka played well. Steady for most of the game and rose to the challenge when he was required to. There was no controversy, just praise.

That's how I like it.

[Hibs Spain]

Thats the problem, it was nearly a penalty, whenever Maka is involved, there is always a goal conceded.What do you put that down to?

[TornadoHibby]

But you're defending him as if he's done nothing wrong - suggesting that you know what you're taking about, especially when you someone on the other side of the argument doesn't know what he's talking about 'cos he's never played in the SPL.

You really are turning into an antagonist DH and I've no idea why you would feel good about that! :agree:

My take on this is simple. Unless you have played a sport you should stick to observations rather than detail and I believe that if you read my posts you will find that is pretty much what I do - unless, of course, I do have decent real experience in which case I am content to go into detail as I have been known to on occassion! :agree: :wink:

I wasn't at the game yesterday so wouldn't (and haven't) commented on the facts of the incident which has promulgated this ridiculous thread to reach the dizzy height of proportion it has now reached and all that in less than 18 hours too including one sleep time! :agree:

All I have tried to do is to get people to stick to the facts and then decide once each and every one of us have seen those facts for ourselves and NOT just jump on the bandwagon on the "view" which "seems" most appropriate before the facts have been seen and understood. :agree:

The last few weeks have persuaded me that the majority of people who post on here don't actually deserve a faultless keeper if, indeed, such a person does exist AND a vast number of people who post on these very opinionated threads don't actually go to many of the games they "take a view" on with their respective posts! :confused:

Now, with all of that, one wonders what the point is of posting on here any more (it was very different two or three years ago IMO and in the TM days! :wink:) as inevitably we all struggle in the quicksand of mediocrity and melodrama generated largely in the minds of a few rather than celebrate the fact that our team is currently running 3rd in the SPL and potentialy looking like it can hold onto that and maybe even go further! :cool2:

END OF! :cool2:

[TornadoHibby]

Thats the problem, it was nearly a penalty, whenever Maka is involved, there is always a goal conceded.

FACTUALLY INCORRECT AS YOU WELL KNOW! :confused: :cool2:

[blackpoolhibs]

What do you put that down to?

I'm not wasting my time.

[TornadoHibby]

But you're defending him as if he's done nothing wrong - suggesting that you know what you're taking about, especially when you someone on the other side of the argument doesn't know what he's talking about 'cos he's never played in the SPL.

I haven't seen the incident yet and will hold fire until I have! :agree:

Pity the poster you refer to hadn't done so either but like I alluded to in my reply to his post, "never let the truth get in the way of a "good" story"! :grr:

[Hibs Spain]

I'm not wasting my time.I believe that's checkmate!:wink:

[Dashing Bob S]

Like many I believe that Maka was fouled for the goal. He also saved us on two occasions with fine saves.

Had it been Stack, I think that a lot of people who are knocking Maka's supposed 'incompetence' would have instead focused on the foul and be cursing the referee.

If I was Maka, i'd get the hell out of ER and the pond-life infested SPL a.s.a.p, as he seems to have become both the butt of our collective Zibi/Clown inspired goalkeeping psychosis, and the target for the lazy pseudo-racist hacks of this country, who have decided it's fashionable and fun to slate this visible and exposed big black guy.

Maka will go on to become a top-class keeper, but not in this snickering, poisonous environment, and he should bow to the inevitable and get the f*** out of dodge right away.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Like many I believe that Maka was fouled for the goal. He also saved us on two occasions with fine saves.

Had it been Stack, I think that a lot of people who are knocking Maka's supposed 'incompetence' would have instead focused on the foul and be cursing the referee.

If I was Maka, i'd get the hell out of ER and the pond-life infested SPL a.s.a.p, as he seems to have become both the butt of our collective Zibi/Clown inspired goalkeeping psychosis, and the target for the lazy pseudo-racist hacks of this country, who have decided it's fashionable and fun to slate this visible and exposed big black guy.

Maka will go on to become a top-class keeper, but not in this snickering, poisonous environment, and he should bow to the inevitable and get the f*** out of dodge right away.

Like they do with Bamba, no?

[Dashing Bob S]

Like they do with Bamba, no?

On the last Maka thread (all of last week) I went into this, saying that goalies are always painted as the eccentrics, the 'clowns' of football. Therefore a black man stands out and is isolated more in that role than any other on the field. Thus they are more likely to be fairer game for snidey pseudo racists. I suspect that black people in this country are less attracted to this role for those very reasons.

[truehibernian]

Funny, I could have sworn that the big man pulled off a cracking save from Moutinho at 1-0 v Falkirk, and did the same from Reynolds v Well. Every single keeper, in every single team, makes errors of judgement in a season of games. The BBC media are the one's who antagonise this situation with our keepers, as they revel in a Hibs keeper making a mistake. It's lazy lazy journalism which they never seem to transfer to Boruc, Combe, McGregor, Kello etc. Maka is a good keeper, like others, prone to a mistake now and again. But if he does make a mistake, there are also 10 outfield players who have the ability to bail us (and him) out, and win games. Of course, they miss chances too :agree:

[wee 162]

Like many I believe that Maka was fouled for the goal. He also saved us on two occasions with fine saves.

Had it been Stack, I think that a lot of people who are knocking Maka's supposed 'incompetence' would have instead focused on the foul and be cursing the referee.

If I was Maka, i'd get the hell out of ER and the pond-life infested SPL a.s.a.p, as he seems to have become both the butt of our collective Zibi/Clown inspired goalkeeping psychosis, and the target for the lazy pseudo-racist hacks of this country, who have decided it's fashionable and fun to slate this visible and exposed big black guy.

Maka will go on to become a top-class keeper, but not in this snickering, poisonous environment, and he should bow to the inevitable and get the f*** out of dodge right away.

That poisonous environment is propagated by the Hibs support. It's classic "received wisdom" running wild. The media love Hibs keepers making mistakes because they're too lazy to come up with new angles. Which is the same reason you still occasionally see stuff referring to us as a young team when we aren't. People read/ listen/ watch the media and the continual undercurrent of massively over-critical comment on Hibs keepers has an effect. Add in to that the group think which exists within the media (the "if I say the same as everyone else, even if it's wrong, my boss can't slate me" syndrome) and you have all the elements in place for us eating our own. People who haven't even seen something seem desperate for our keeper to have made a mistake to validate their viewpoint. It's unhealthy, and it's completely counterproductive.

Our support should be reading Antonio Gramsci instead of the Sunday Mail.

[YehButNoBut]

SPL goals just been on Goals on Sunday Maka did not look like he was fouled, poor effort by him.

There was slight contact but not one Hibs player claimed for a foul.

Commentator referred to him as an error prone keeper.

[wee 162]

SPL goals just been on Goals on Sunday Maka did not look like he was fouled, poor effort by him.

You're kidding? Ford runs straight through him as he's jumping. He doesn't even try to jump for the ball, he just runs straight at him. Nat Lofthouse would have got a foul against him for that!

[ronaldo7]

SPL goals just been on Goals on Sunday Maka did not look like he was fouled, poor effort by him.

There was slight contact but not one Hibs player claimed for a foul.

Opinions eh...Just seen the same thing and have watched it several times, and I thought the Killie player just jumped into Maka, catching his left arm as he was about to take the ball.

Foul in my book.

Anyway onwards and upwards to Pittodrie for 3 points.

Come on the HIBEES

[blackpoolhibs]

Opinions eh...Just seen the same thing and have watched it several times, and I thought the Killie player just jumped into Maka, catching his left arm as he was about to take the ball.

Foul in my book.

Anyway onwards and upwards to Pittodrie for 3 points.

Come on the HIBEES

:agree:

[Franck is God]

literally just saw the goal on Sky, Maka had the ball in his hands and was barged by Simon Ford yet somehow it was still a mistake by the error strewn Hibs keeper.

Didn't even mention that the Killie keeper got beat at his near post by Stokes strike when he probably should have done better.

I wasn't at the game yesterday and had to listen on the radio and was disappointed when they criticised Maka before the game even began and instantly blamed him for the goal despite the foul and that Yogi was going nuts on the touchline about it.

According to the commentary Maka made a couple of excellent saves keeping us in the game which allowed us to pick up a tough away point. Very good saves at important stages of the last two home games secured 3 points on both occasions. He is the best keeper at ER and should remain our number 1!

[BigKev]

That poisonous environment is propagated by the Hibs support. It's classic "received wisdom" running wild. The media love Hibs keepers making mistakes because they're too lazy to come up with new angles. Which is the same reason you still occasionally see stuff referring to us as a young team when we aren't. People read/ listen/ watch the media and the continual undercurrent of massively over-critical comment on Hibs keepers has an effect. Add in to that the group think which exists within the media (the "if I say the same as everyone else, even if it's wrong, my boss can't slate me" syndrome) and you have all the elements in place for us eating our own. People who haven't even seen something seem desperate for our keeper to have made a mistake to validate their viewpoint. It's unhealthy, and it's completely counterproductive.

Our support should be reading Antonio Gramsci instead of the Sunday Mail.

So we are all brainwashed by the written media into believing our keeper is cack then?

Is it not the majority of supporters have seen 1 Maka mistake too many?

[blackpoolhibs]

literally just saw the goal on Sky, Maka had the ball in his hands and was barged by Simon Ford yet somehow it was still a mistake by the error strewn Hibs keeper.

Didn't even mention that the Killie keeper got beat at his near post by Stokes strike when he probably should have done better.

I wasn't at the game yesterday and had to listen on the radio and was disappointed when they criticised Maka before the game even began and instantly blamed him for the goal despite the foul and that Yogi was going nuts on the touchline about it.

According to the commentary Maka made a couple of excellent saves keeping us in the game which allowed us to pick up a tough away point. Very good saves at important stages of the last two home games secured 3 points on both occasions. He is the best keeper at ER and should remain our number 1!

I agreed with every word up till then. I prefer Stack.

[ronaldo7]

I agreed with every word up till then. I prefer Stack.

:agree: Cue Hibspain having a static attack on stack:greengrin

[Part/Time Supporter]

literally just saw the goal on Sky, Maka had the ball in his hands and was barged by Simon Ford yet somehow it was still a mistake by the error strewn Hibs keeper.

Didn't even mention that the Killie keeper got beat at his near post by Stokes strike when he probably should have done better.

I wasn't at the game yesterday and had to listen on the radio and was disappointed when they criticised Maka before the game even began and instantly blamed him for the goal despite the foul and that Yogi was going nuts on the touchline about it.

According to the commentary Maka made a couple of excellent saves keeping us in the game which allowed us to pick up a tough away point. Very good saves at important stages of the last two home games secured 3 points on both occasions. He is the best keeper at ER and should remain our number 1!

Oh FFS

:faf:

[Danderhall Hibs]

The BBC media are the one's who antagonise this situation with our keepers, as they revel in a Hibs keeper making a mistake. It's lazy lazy journalism which they never seem to transfer to Boruc, Combe, McGregor, Kello etc.

Ans the Sky Sports media. And the tabloid newspapers. And the broadsheet newspapers. Basically everyone!

BTW I've read one paper today and Boruc is criticised. Watched the game yesterday as wel and he was criticised then as well. Also remember him being ridiculed after the squiggler. Sometimes it's easier to close your eyes and deflect the blame though...



People read/ listen/ watch the media and the continual undercurrent of massively over-critical comment on Hibs keepers has an effect. Add in to that the group think which exists within the media


I tend to just watch with my own eyes and make my own mind up.

What folk have been brainwashed into is believing that their is a media conspiracy!


So we are all brainwashed by the written media into believing our keeper is cack then?

Is it not the majority of supporters have seen 1 Maka mistake too many?

It is with me - I used to defend the guy on here for a while but got sick of him having 5 good games then chucking one in.

[johnrebus]

Would like to know what Maka's goals conceded to games ratio is because I'm pretty sure that it will compare favourably with any other SPL keeper.

Unfortunately - for him - it seems that every time the net bulges behind him, he is culpable in a way that other goalies are not.

Agree with DBS however, that for his own sanity and career, Maka should probably GTF now because he is never going to change the media perception of him.

And to keep a fair proportion of the posters on this site happy - I'm not one of them - he should take Colin Nish too.


:boo hoo:

[Brooster]

I am sick of this idiot costing us points - get him to *****.

[wee 162]

So we are all brainwashed by the written media into believing our keeper is cack then?

Is it not the majority of supporters have seen 1 Maka mistake too many?

Compared to who? The other keepers in the SPL? I'm no so sure about that...

Every keeper makes mistakes. We have never had a keeper who doesn't. People remember Leighton fondly from his time with us. He sold more goals in derbies than Zibby did! But he was still an excellent keeper with us.

[wee 162]

I tend to just watch with my own eyes and make my own mind up.

What folk have been brainwashed into is believing that their is a media conspiracy!

So did he make a mistake with the goal yesterday?

If he didn't and it was a foul, how come this thread exists?

[Hibbyradge]

There was definitely a foul on Maka albeit not enough to attract the attention of the ref or the complaints of the Hibs players, or indeed Maka himself.

Killie's number 6 deliberately ran straight at Maka and jumped at him without even looking at the ball, in itself a foul, and then collided with him in the process causing him to lose grip of it when it arrived.

The Killie players must have thought "here we go" when the ball was hoofed high into the box.

No doubt Jeffires discussed Maka in training this week.

[Danderhall Hibs]

So did he make a mistake with the goal yesterday?

If he didn't and it was a foul, how come this thread exists?

Yes he did - he dropped the ball and they scored. That's why the thread exists.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Would like to know what Maka's goals conceded to games ratio is because I'm pretty sure that it will compare favourably with any other SPL keeper.

Unfortunately - for him - it seems that every time the net bulges behind him, he is culpable in a way that other goalies are not.

Agree with DBS however, that for his own sanity and career, Maka should probably GTF now because he is never going to change the media perception of him.

And to keep a fair proportion of the posters on this site happy - I'm not one of them - he should take Colin Nish too.


:boo hoo:

rough addition of league games from soccerbase:


Makalambay p55, conceded 62 => avg 1.13
Stack p11, conceded 7 => avg 0.64
McNeil p31, conceded 36 => avg 1.16


Maka only marginally better than Lofty, then?

:hmmm:

[Hibs Spain]

So we are all brainwashed by the written media into believing our keeper is cack then?

Is it not the majority of supporters have seen 1 Maka mistake too many?When was this "one mistake too many"?

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

Just watched it on Goals on Sunday. Camera angle isn't conclusive to see whether Ford impeded Makka or not, I think it was maybe the thought that he might get clattered that caused the fumble. In that case, a punch might have been the better option :dunno:

The telling thing tho is that none of the other players made any appeal to the ref to complain about a foul on Makka.

[wee 162]

Yes he did - he dropped the ball and they scored. That's why the thread exists.

Getting fouled is your own fault. Well that's a novel way to look at it I suppose.

[The Sundance Kid]

Funny, I could have sworn that the big man pulled off a cracking save from Moutinho at 1-0 v Falkirk, and did the same from Reynolds v Well. Every single keeper, in every single team, makes errors of judgement in a season of games. The BBC media are the one's who antagonise this situation with our keepers, as they revel in a Hibs keeper making a mistake. It's lazy lazy journalism which they never seem to transfer to Boruc, Combe, McGregor, Kello etc. Maka is a good keeper, like others, prone to a mistake now and again. But if he does make a mistake, there are also 10 outfield players who have the ability to bail us (and him) out, and win games. Of course, they miss chances too :agree:
:agree:

If Makalambay never made errors he would be first choice at Chelsea by now.

We have to accept that if Hibs sign a goalkeeper that can make the quality of saves that the big man does, the chances are that he will make the occasional blunder or error of judgement.

I am pretty sure if somebody found all the saves he had made for us down the years, which are so often forgotten, and tallied up the amount of points he had saved us it would far outweigh the amount of points he has cost us.

Havng not yet seen yesterdays goals, the only errors that in my opinion Makalambay has made are

2 poor errors in a 3 all Hibs Aberdeen game at Easter Road when he first arrived
Spilling 1 against Hearts at Tynecastle when they won 1 nil
Making a mistake against Hearts in the 2 nil cup defeat.
(These last 2 in particular I feel stick in people's minds as ammunition for Maka being a poor keeper due to the fact they happened in such high profile games)
The obvious clanger at Pittodrie on the last day of last season
On the first day of this season he was partly at fault for the St Mirren goal all though Hogg and particularly Hanlon were also at fault.

Overall a young goalkeeper making his first 60 appearances of his career 6 blunders that have cost us goals isn't all that bad. (Thats 1 blunder in every 10 games rather than every 2 that has previously been stated). And yes I do think that Stack probably warrants a return between the sticks next week and I am also well convinced however that Makalambay is well worth keeping as back up and given some more time as second choice I feel he has enough good attributes to be moulded into a FUTURE first choice.

Rant over. GGTTH.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Getting fouled is your own fault. Well that's a novel way to look at it I suppose.

He was fouled in your opinion. Not in mine. Or the medias. Or in fact the referee!

[PeeJay]

Haven't seen the "incident" yet, but is it not the case that contact with the goalkeeper in the 6-yard box is a foul against the goalkeeper?
So (those who've seen it) is he in the 6-yard box or out of it: if he's in it, it's a foul: that's the rules, surely?

[wee 162]

rough addition of league games from soccerbase:


Makalambay p55, conceded 62 => avg 1.13
Stack p11, conceded 7 => avg 0.64
McNeil p31, conceded 36 => avg 1.16


Maka only marginally better than Lofty, then?

:hmmm:

Daniel Andersson conceded 66 in 41 league games = avg 1.61

Was he a bad keeper?

Comparing stats of different keepers with different defences is difficult in my opinion. Stack has been playing in front of the most solid Hibs defence there's been for a long time. Both him and Makalambay have very similar numbers of goals conceded this season per game.

[BigKev]

When was this "one mistake too many"?

That would be yesterday as well you know - your refusal to see anything disparaging about Maka's game blinds your judgment.

Maka had two hand on the ball yesterday - a strong keeper catches the ball and falls to the deck with ball still in his arms.

Of course he could have taken the easier option to just punch the ball away and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

1 mistake too many.

[whereswallace?]

He was fouled in your opinion. Not in mine. Or the medias. Or in fact the referee!


I think he was fouled,but a goalkeeper of his size should be much stronger and commanding there,he should be taking everyone out and making sure hes claiming the ball and keeping it.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Haven't seen the "incident" yet, but is it not the case that contact with the goalkeeper in the 6-yard box is a foul against the goalkeeper?
So (those who've seen it) is he in the 6-yard box or out of it: if he's in it, it's a foul: that's the rules, surely?

I don't think any contact in the 6 yard box means a foul to the keeper - in any case any touch is so minimal that the TV barely picks it up.

[wee 162]

He was fouled in your opinion. Not in mine. Or the medias. Or in fact the referee!

Fair enough. We should be telling our strikers to start running straight into keepers when they're going up for a ball then, because that should be a source of plenty goals and I'm surprised everyone isn't doing it.

[wee 162]

I don't think any contact in the 6 yard box means a foul to the keeper - in any case any touch is so minimal that the TV barely picks it up.

Tell you what, let's wait until the online highlights are up at 6pm. Then look at what Ford does (don't follow the ball) and tell me that's not a free kick.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Fair enough. We should be telling our strikers to start running straight into keepers when they're going up for a ball then, because that should be a source of plenty goals and I'm surprised everyone isn't doing it.

Don't be silly - they'd get a foul against them if they done that.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Tell you what, let's wait until the online highlights are up at 6pm. Then look at what Ford does (don't follow the ball) and tell me that's not a free kick.

I don't need to wait until 6pm. I've been sitting watching it on Sky+ and can see him run past him but can't see him "running straight into" him. Maybe another angle would show it up differently but the one that's been shown so far doesn't help your argument IMO.

[GloryGlory]

Fair enough. We should be telling our strikers to start running straight into keepers when they're going up for a ball then, because that should be a source of plenty goals and I'm surprised everyone isn't doing it.

If Nish did it, it would be a foul to the goalie every time, guaranteed!

[Littlest Hobo]

My slant on events concerning Maka yesterday was that the first time he fumbled and dropped the ball, i fancy the glare from the sun (not making excuses for him) which was really bad i have to say in the first half probably caused him to drop the ball. Comments around me were that he should have had a cap on, which i had to agree with.

From there on Maka went on to drop the ball again and and made two horendous clearances with his feet. In between
this he did make three superb saves, one with his feet that kept us in the game.

Then the big talking point which i still haven't seen on T.V yet but i fancy he took a knock from a Killie player while catching the ball.

Bottom line, nearing the end of the game, confidence in the keeper by the travelling support was nil. I have to say after the incident happened there weren't many Hibs players chasing the ref screaming for a foul, infact from were i was sat only John Hughes was asking the ref why he didn't give a foul? Maka didn't seem to make much of a fuss either.

All said and done I actually thought it was quite an entertaining game yesterday and i really enjoyed my two Killie pies!:thumbsup:

[thedoc_l]

Maka dropped the first cross that came into the box yesterday and dropped the ball for the goal whether fouled or not. I was sitting in the home end and he was getting pelters. He is one of the poorest keepers in the league and will never be good enough. He will not get a contract extension and will end up in the lower leagues in England or back in the Belgium 2nd division.

Stack is not a great keeper but is competent and the defenders trust him. He will be in goal next week if fit.

[Littlest Hobo]

Maka dropped the first cross that came into the box yesterday and dropped the ball for the goal whether fouled or not. I was sitting in the home end and he was getting pelters. He is one of the poorest keepers in the league and will never be good enough. He will not get a contract extension and will end up in the lower leagues in England or back in the Belgium 2nd division.

Stack is not a great keeper but is competent and the defenders trust him. He will be in goal next week if fit.

As much as it pains me, i have to agree mate.

[fife hfc]

I think he was fouled,but a goalkeeper of his size should be much stronger and commanding there,he should be taking everyone out and making sure hes claiming the ball and keeping it.

:agree: spot on and my take on it as well. he has got something but its his inexperience that lets him down. he needs to learn to be more aggressive and use his size and frame to more effect. Maka is a better shop stopper but Stack is a more experienced goalkeeper and uses this to make us more solid. Over time maka will hopefully develop this and become the keeper he can potentially be.

[Hibby Bairn]

Anyone see Kirkland at Stoke's second goal yesterday? What about Cech at Everton's third goal? Sorenson at the 55 yard free kick?

Point is all goalies make errors just like all players. But they minimise them and more often than not don't build a reeputation for themselves for gifting goals through errors.

Maka does which is why he courts so much attention. Brad Friedel is the kind of guy that always seems absolutely infallable. Probably does make mistakes but very rarely are these calamatous and therefore he appears 100% solid.

Unfortunately Maka's errors always seem simple mistakes that directly lead to goals.

Hence the headline Makalamity.












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[Velma Dinkley]

Opposition fans, the media and some of our own fans were already calling him Makalamity before he even played his first game for us. He's a decent young goalkeeper who has helped us remain unbeaten in Stack's absence. No doubt he'll end up at a bigger club than Hibs at some point and when he goes we'll replace him with a keeper who, surprise surprise, will make the odd mistake. If he's called Bertie MacBlooper, Jose Gashinho or Fling Ballinet we will have the same situation no matter how good he is.

[H18sry]

Following on the 8 page thread http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?t=169024 which will run into double figures :greengrin

Who is you preferred choice as Hibernians no 1 goalkeeper, both have there pro's and cons, so folks who should it be:greengrin

My choice is Stack the main reason is that the defence seem more assured when Stack is behind them.

[lyonhibs]

To be honest your 'opinions' have no credibility at all anymore:bye:

You appear to have wildly misunderstood one of the main principles of an open internet messageboard.

Everyone's opinion has as much credibility as anyone else's opinion, unless you've appointed yourself hibs.net Uber Overlord??

[GlesgaeHibby]

Opposition fans, the media and some of our own fans were already calling him Makalamity before he even played his first game for us. He's a decent young goalkeeper who has helped us remain unbeaten in Stack's absence. No doubt he'll end up at a bigger club than Hibs at some point and when he goes we'll replace him with a keeper who, surprise surprise, will make the odd mistake. If he's called Bertie MacBlooper, Jose Gashinho or Fling Ballinet we will have the same situation no matter how good he is.

Really? I can't recall that at all, especially considering he'd not played first team games before coming to us. The yams may have called him that, but I can't remember anybody on here giving him a calamity nickname before even seeing him play. If I remember correctly, we were all excited at the prospect of a tall, commanding, former Chelsea goalkeeper arriving after a few years of Hibs keepers being famous for their blunders.

I'm pretty sure he earned that nickname after a succession of howlers.

It's amazing the amount of players that have received stick on this messageboard in recent years (Brian Kerr, John Rankin, Colin Nish, David Van Zanten) and it's ok, but when it's the goalie who happens to be a great character and a nice guy its not ok?

[Leith Green]

I have completely no faith or confidence in Makalamby ....

[Wotherspiniesta]

I went for Stack. I think Maka is a good keeper with good potential and will be a good long term option. But for the time being, we need a safe pair of hands and Stack is the man for the job.

[erin go bragh]

He made some good saves in the first half. So not really that dodgy.
yes he made two good saves in the first half but he also came for a cross[and totally missed it]in the first half,it was just pure luck that it didnt cost us a goal.
its fair enough that over the course of a season that golkeepers will make mistakes but not every other game:grr:
i still think yogi should be going for a keeper in jan as stack doesnt make stupid mistakes like maka but he wont come off his line to catch the ball.

[Hibs Spain]

yes he made two good saves in the first half but he also came for a cross[and totally missed it]in the first half,it was just pure luck that it didnt cost us a goal.
its fair enough that over the course of a season that golkeepers will make mistakes but not every other game:grr:
i still think yogi should be going for a keeper in jan as stack doesnt make stupid mistakes like maka but he wont come off his line to catch the ball.If he hadn't come at all would it have been pure luck it didn't cost us a goal?

[James70]

I haven't voted as I am equally happy with either keeper. They each have their own qualities and faults which they bring to the team.

Stack is a steadier keepier and the defence are comfortable playing in front of him. He does the easier things more reliably and confidently than Maka but I do not consider him to be as good a shot stopper or as good with crosses.

Maka produces some brilliant saves and since Jones left has become much more confident and capable at dealing with high crosses. However his communication with the defence and his decision making are suspect still.

Those who say Maka will never be a keeper are IMHO talking a load of mince.

Unfortunately his shortcomings are more high profile than Stack's and he is always going to have his work cut out trying to prove himself to some supporters and to the media.

[Velma Dinkley]

Really? I can't recall that at all, especially considering he'd not played first team games before coming to us. The yams may have called him that, but I can't remember anybody on here giving him a calamity nickname before even seeing him play. If I remember correctly, we were all excited at the prospect of a tall, commanding, former Chelsea goalkeeper arriving after a few years of Hibs keepers being famous for their blunders.

I'm pretty sure he earned that nickname after a succession of howlers.

It's amazing the amount of players that have received stick on this messageboard in recent years (Brian Kerr, John Rankin, Colin Nish, David Van Zanten) and it's ok, but when it's the goalie who happens to be a great character and a nice guy its not ok?

well it did happen. that's why i said it! :wink:

[TornadoHibby]

:agree:

If Makalambay never made errors he would be first choice at Chelsea by now.

We have to accept that if Hibs sign a goalkeeper that can make the quality of saves that the big man does, the chances are that he will make the occasional blunder or error of judgement.

I am pretty sure if somebody found all the saves he had made for us down the years, which are so often forgotten, and tallied up the amount of points he had saved us it would far outweigh the amount of points he has cost us.

Havng not yet seen yesterdays goals, the only errors that in my opinion Makalambay has made are

2 poor errors in a 3 all Hibs Aberdeen game at Easter Road when he first arrived
Spilling 1 against Hearts at Tynecastle when they won 1 nil
Making a mistake against Hearts in the 2 nil cup defeat.
(These last 2 in particular I feel stick in people's minds as ammunition for Maka being a poor keeper due to the fact they happened in such high profile games)
The obvious clanger at Pittodrie on the last day of last season
On the first day of this season he was partly at fault for the St Mirren goal all though Hogg and particularly Hanlon were also at fault.

Overall a young goalkeeper making his first 60 appearances of his career 6 blunders that have cost us goals isn't all that bad. (Thats 1 blunder in every 10 games rather than every 2 that has previously been stated). And yes I do think that Stack probably warrants a return between the sticks next week and I am also well convinced however that Makalambay is well worth keeping as back up and given some more time as second choice I feel he has enough good attributes to be moulded into a FUTURE first choice.

Rant over. GGTTH.

Sadly, I fear that it's too late for him to be accepted by the pundits amongst the Hibs fans that post on here mate, some of whom form their views on the guy by listening to others and the radio commentaries of matches almost like sheep! :agree:

Ever heard the story about the lottery millionaire who lived in a wee town in the Highlands, had used a significant amount of his winnings to improve the local community and quality of life there by paying for new schools, community buildings, new hospital, football ground etc yet the locals still dissed everything he did! :agree:

He explained it in simple terms to visitors to the village when they couldn't understand how he wasn't treated better by the villagers after all he had done for them! :cool2:

"You only need to sh*g a sheep once"! :wink:

Now for the bit in bold, read "make the odd mistake that results in a goal against Hibs for Maka" like most keepers do over a prolonged period (more than 10 or 12 games! :confused:) even those playing in the CL regularly (did anyone see the Juventus game midweek for example?)! :wink:

[basehibby]

Having been at the match yesterday I think it's fair to say we saw both sides of Maka.

He made some good saves including one in the second half which was truly world class - I certainly believed the ball to be on it's way into the net when Yves somehow managed to claw it out from under the postage stamp corner and round the post :top marks
On the other hand his penchant for dodgy decision making came to the surface on a couple of occasions - one of which seemed to cost us a goal. Hughes seems to be indicating that he might have been fouled by Kyle, which wouldn't have surprised me although I was at the other end of the park and it was difficult to see exactly what happened. However, regardless of that I thought it was symptomatic of the sort of errors we've become accustomed to seeing from Maka - ie down to lapses in concentration and/or questionable decision making. I believe that a lot of this can be put down to youth and in-experience although time is running out at Hibs for Maka to show he's eliminating this sort of thing from his game.

Stack on the other hand hasn't produced any trully amazing saves for Hibs so far that I can remember although he's certainly made some decent stops. However, over the course of his career, he seems to have developed what I'd describe as good goalkeeping habits such that his decision making is solid and consistent, resulting in a series of steady and solid performances which seems to inspire confidence in the defence. For this reason Stack would definately be my No 1 choice for custodian between the sticks at the moment.

[BEEJ]

Having been at the match yesterday I think it's fair to say we saw both sides of Maka.

He made some good saves including one in the second half which was truly world class - I certainly believed the ball to be on it's way into the net when Yves somehow managed to claw it out from under the postage stamp corner and round the post :top marks
On the other hand his penchant for dodgy decision making came to the surface on a couple of occasions - one of which seemed to cost us a goal. Hughes seems to be indicating that he might have been fouled by Kyle, which wouldn't have surprised me although I was at the other end of the park and it was difficult to see exactly what happened. However, regardless of that I thought it was symptomatic of the sort of errors we've become accustomed to seeing from Maka - ie down to lapses in concentration and/or questionable decision making. I believe that a lot of this can be put down to youth and in-experience although time is running out at Hibs for Maka to show he's eliminating this sort of thing from his game.

Stack on the other hand hasn't produced any trully amazing saves for Hibs so far that I can remember although he's certainly made some decent stops. However, over the course of his career, he seems to have developed what I'd describe as good goalkeeping habits such that his decision making is solid and consistent, resulting in a series of steady and solid performances which seems to inspire confidence in the defence. For this reason Stack would definately be my No 1 choice for custodian between the sticks at the moment.
:agree: :top marks

But far too reasoned and balanced an opinion for the ongoing goalkeeping debate on here, if I may say so. :wink:

[hibsbollah]

You appear to have wildly misunderstood one of the main principles of an open internet messageboard.

Everyone's opinion has as much credibility as anyone else's opinion, unless you've appointed yourself hibs.net Uber Overlord??

No need for the spectacular sarcasm. In my opinion someone who starts a thread berating one of our players to 'GTF' just seconds after hearing said incident taking place on the radio loses all credibility. Its total nonsense, and theres more chance of Hearts getting a world class striker than getting an intelligent debate on here about goalkeepers.

[bawheid]

Oh FFS

:faf:

Plenty decent posts on both sides of this particular argument. Unfortunately this isn't one of them.

My opinion is that there's not much between the two keepers, although I'd have to see more of Stack to be sure.

Maka's mistakes have been detailed in the various threads and in reality they amount to a handful over the course of his 60odd game career. Certainly not every other game, or even one in five as is being suggested.

I've now seen the incident and IMO it's a clear foul. I hope he keeps his place for next week.

[CentreLine]

Have any of you guys seen the "howler" yet? Sounds like he might've been fouled.

If it was only the one that led to the goal that was committed then it would be worth waiting to see the foul. However, he gets under so many crosses it beggars belief. There was light at the end of the tunnel last week and this week it was put out again.

Stack for me and someone to replace Maka in January

[Part/Time Supporter]

Plenty decent posts on both sides of this particular argument. Unfortunately this isn't one of them.

My opinion is that there's not much between the two keepers, although I'd have to see more of Stack to be sure.

Maka's mistakes have been detailed in the various threads and in reality they amount to a handful over the course of his 60odd game career. Certainly not every other game, or even one in five as is being suggested.

I've now seen the incident and IMO it's a clear foul. I hope he keeps his place for next week.

Who do you think Aberdeen fans would rather see next week?

A) the guy who kept a clean sheet against them in his only appearance against them, and has conceded well under a goal a game

or

B) the guy who conceded a goal against them by kicking a ball against Lee Miller's back in his last appearance up there, and conceded two ridiculously soft goals in a 3-3 draw in his first appearance against them.

[Littlest Hobo]

Another excellent game from Maka ...some good saves..One "miracle" save ..Was clearly fouled at the goal(Stack wouldn't have been near the ball to be fouled in the first place ..So forget him) ..Yogi was positive it was a foul too!With the amount of corners they had we could easily have lost that. Well done Maka. Undroppable on this form. :top marks

He dropped the ball three times yesterday if you count the one for the goal? Not to mention the two dodgy clearances with his feet? He did however make amends by making three excellent saves i thought but if i'm being honest i have no faith in the guy. He doesn't have the qualities a really good goalkeeper needs for me.:rolleyes: Very little communication with his back four, hesitant coming for any ball in or around the box, always likely to make unforced errors but at the same time capable of pulling world class saves. I'd rather we just got an average keeper in who might not make the world class saves but who we can trust not to drop the ball.

[Broken Gnome]

Who do you think Aberdeen fans would rather see next week?

A) the guy who kept a clean sheet against them in his only appearance against them, and has conceded well under a goal a game

or

B) the guy who conceded a goal against them by kicking a ball against Lee Miller's back in his last appearance up there, and conceded two ridiculously soft goals in a 3-3 draw in his first appearance against them.

I've seen this mentioned a few times, really must pick up on it. He was responsible for all three goals, his attempts to save Brewster's first bordered on the laughable.

[PeeJay]

I reserved judgment on the goal until seeing the highlights, seemed the fair thing to do - now I've seen them there's no doubt about it in my mind: Makka's to blame. Wasn't a difficult ball to take and he's got to expect a wee bit competition; he's got to make sure he gets to the ball and keeps it: simple really. Hardly any contact at all, and certainly nothing to warrant him dropping it. Not one single Hibs player appealed for a foul on the goalie, not even Hogg and he saw it as it happened - says it all really! So instead of 3 points we get 1. Thanks Makka ... no more chances from me then - the quicker he goes the better!:bye:

[Hibs Spain]

Who do you think Aberdeen fans would rather see next week?

A) the guy who kept a clean sheet against them in his only appearance against them, and has conceded well under a goal a game

or

B) the guy who conceded a goal against them by kicking a ball against Lee Miller's back in his last appearance up there, and conceded two ridiculously soft goals in a 3-3 draw in his first appearance against them.Maka's the most athletic,naturally talented goalie around at the moment and once Static starts to run out of luck it'll be interesting to listen to the likes of you then.

[Allant1981]

Maka's the most athletic,naturally talented goalie around at the moment and once Static starts to run out of luck it'll be interesting to listen to the likes of you then.


You really really talk some p!sh, its starting to get boring now

[blackpoolhibs]

You really really talk some p!sh, its starting to get boring now

You only just bored now? The guys at the wind up, dont waste your time. Here's a better poll, static or dropsy?

[HFC 0-7]

Just watched the highlights, and looks like Maka may have been fouled, but it was soft. I still think Maka should have done better, he had 2 hands on the ball and it actually looked like Maka coming down on his own player had more of an effect on him losing the ball than the Killie player.

Maka made good saves, but a solid keeper would still have kept that ball in his hands IMO.

[Allant1981]

never a foul, he hardly even touched Maka, should never have dropped it. Cracking save in the first half

[PISTOL1875]

Just watched the highlights, and looks like Maka may have been fouled, but it was soft. I still think Maka should have done better, he had 2 hands on the ball and it actually looked like Maka coming down on his own player had more of an effect on him losing the ball than the Killie player.

Maka made good saves, but a solid keeper would still have kept that ball in his hands IMO.

Maka should've done better with there goal.. He should've been stronger under the challenge...

[GlesgaeHibby]

Just watched the highlights, and looks like Maka may have been fouled, but it was soft. I still think Maka should have done better, he had 2 hands on the ball and it actually looked like Maka coming down on his own player had more of an effect on him losing the ball than the Killie player.

Maka made good saves, but a solid keeper would still have kept that ball in his hands IMO.

:agree: It looked like his contact with Hogg was what made him drop it.

[Broken Gnome]

Wouldn't have been too surprised if it was a free kick as you see frequently see players penalised for not following the ball in the air; Ford had his eyes on Maka the whole time. That said, it was a soft fumble. It's actually gone through his hands.

[Andy74]

Sorry but that summed maka up. He'll never be up to it if we are going to have this every game or two. Stack back in when he's fit please. There is a good keeper inside maka but I'm not sure he'll ever get out.

[Barney McGrew]

Wouldn't have been too surprised if it was a free kick as you see frequently see players penalised for not following the ball in the air; Ford had his eyes on Maka the whole time

That would be my take on it.

The Killie player deliberately jumps at Maka with no intent of playing the ball at all. It should have been a free kick.

[hibsbollah]

That would be my take on it.

The Killie player deliberately jumps at Maka with no intent of playing the ball at all. It should have been a free kick.

Obvious freekick, even more so when you watch it in slo-mo, the killie player takes him out. Why don't Maka and the defenders react like Yogi and get tore into the ref?:bitchy:

[Allant1981]

Obvious freekick, even more so when you watch it in slo-mo, the killie player takes him out. Why don't Maka and the defenders react like Yogi and get tore into the ref?:bitchy:

Eh, no he didnt, he barely even brushed against him

[HFC 0-7]

Obvious freekick, even more so when you watch it in slo-mo, the killie player takes him out. Why don't Maka and the defenders react like Yogi and get tore into the ref?:bitchy:

The players never over reacted because they probably know there was SLIGHT contact and that Maka had the ball in both hands and it wasnt until he came down on top of his own players that spilled the ball.

[Broken Gnome]

The players never over reacted because they probably know there was SLIGHT contact and that Maka had the ball in both hands and it wasnt until he came down on top of his own players that spilled the ball.

He never had it in both hands. Ever. It wasn't a fumble, he didn't claim it at all.

The way Ford approached the challenge is a fairly bog-standard free kick. The contact was minimal to non-existant. Really disappointed seeing that actually, I'd hoped the pictures would have given him more of a defence.

[WindyMiller]

Obvious freekick, even more so when you watch it in slo-mo, the killie player takes him out. Why don't Maka and the defenders react like Yogi and get tore into the ref?:bitchy:

I've watched it on HI and firmly believe it's a free kick.

Both our commentators say it's Maka's blunder.

The lad needs to move on and re-start his career.

I hope when he's gone we don't regret it.

[rainman]

I've watched it on HI and firmly believe it's a free kick.

Both our commentators say it's Maka's blunder.

The lad needs to move on and re-start his career.

I hope when he's gone we don't regret it.

You would definitely be looking for a foul but there's no reason why Maka shouldn't be holding onto the thing anyway. He was nudged by a player making no attempt at the ball but he was hardly taken out. Maka's body language speaks volumes about his performances. he came out last week with his chest puffed out and grabbed everything that came near him. He walked out yesterday and carried himself like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Wasn't commanding at all and looked indecisive in most things he did. It's obviously a confidence issue but if he can't be confident after last weeks performance, when can he be?

[murray26]

Maka's still young, he has potential and may make a very good keeper in the seasons to come but at the moment Stack is certainly the more reliable.

[hibsbollah]

Eh, no he didnt, he barely even brushed against him

Oh yes he did etc etc:yawn:
You can tell its pantomime season on hibs.net:wink:

Maka, look behind you!

[sauzee]

i'm pretty sure the reason chelsea let him leave,was because of his poor decision making and repeatedly loosing bad goals,which will totally out weigh anything good that he does in a game.

[lEXO]

Where is the i,ll back both keepers option? It looked like he was fouled for their goal.We have two decent keepers, and to call any of them a clown, or to GTF is predictably negative.

[brydekirk]

Where is the i,ll back both keepers option? It looked like he was fouled for their goal.We have two decent keepers, and to call any of them a clown, or to GTF is predictably negative.

:agree::agree::agree: the man was fouled and theres not many keepers in the world that would have made the saves maka has done i the last couple of weeks.:agree:

[--------]

i'm pretty sure the reason chelsea let him leave,was because of his poor decision making and repeatedly loosing bad goals,which will totally out weigh anything good that he does in a game.


And your reason for saying this?

I'm assuming it's more than just uniformed speculation? You have some actual knowledge of the circumstances in which he was transferred from Chelsea?

:cool2:

[Danderhall Hibs]

I've watched it on HI and firmly believe it's a free kick.

Both our commentators say it's Maka's blunder.

The lad needs to move on and re-start his career.

I hope when he's gone we don't regret it.

Wow, what hope have we got when the Hibs media are in on the conspiracy?

I think that's now the radio, TV, written (tabloid and broadsheet) and Hibs TV all on the bandwagon.

[brydekirk]

i'm pretty sure the reason chelsea let him leave,was because of his poor decision making and repeatedly loosing bad goals,which will totally out weigh anything good that he does in a game.

the boy was only 19yrs old.:agree:

[bawheid]

Wow, what hope have we got when the Hibs media are in on the conspiracy?

I think that's now the radio, TV, written (tabloid and broadsheet) and Hibs TV all on the bandwagon.

I don't think it's a conspiracy, just very lazy journalism. Maka's made a few high profile errors in the past, so he must have done this time. That kind of thing...

[Danderhall Hibs]

I don't think it's a conspiracy, just very lazy journalism. Maka's made a few high profile errors in the past, so he must have done this time. That kind of thing...

And he did!

It's not as if they're printing/saying stuff that's not true - even the lazy HI guys. :greengrin

[millarco]

I've watched it on HI and firmly believe it's a free kick.

Both our commentators say it's Maka's blunder.

The lad needs to move on and re-start his career.

I hope when he's gone we don't regret it.

:agree:

It looks like a free-kick to me, Ford doesn't look at the ball once. At times I think he should be stronger and more aggressive when coming for crosses, but there's not much you can do when a guy barges you mid-air. I'd prefer to focus on his great save from Kyle in the first half, but I guess that's not important.

He needs a move for his own good, a fresh start somewhere else. I'd be very surprised if he does sign a new contract; don't think Yogi rates him for a start. Would love to see him go on to have a decent career wherever he ends up.

[bawheid]

And he did!

It's not as if they're printing/saying stuff that's not true - even the lazy HI guys. :greengrin

Nah, it was a foul.

But they've seen Maka drop the ball and previous incidents have clouded their judgement.

Not heard the HI commentry. Did they not say it might have been a foul at the time?

[TornadoHibby]

And your reason for saying this?

I'm assuming it's more than just uniformed speculation? You have some actual knowledge of the circumstances in which he was transferred from Chelsea?

:cool2:

Waste of time Doddie! :agree:

Nothing the lad will do from now on will ever convince some people that post on here that he has "star material" even although he is only 21 years old with his whole football career ahead of him yet! :confused:

I think that he must be aware of some of this stuff from here much of which is the work of mischief makers many of whom do not watch him "live" as it were but form their views based upon the views of others whom they do not know well enough to trust that much! As a result, I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if he were to move on elsewhere and as someone else has already said, I just hope that Hibs does not regret such a thing should he go on to realise his full potential as I, for one, believe that he will! :agree:

Meantime, he will get my support if he plays for the team and I will post my own views on his match performances as I see fit and nothing more! :cool2:

[Danderhall Hibs]

he has "star material" even although he is only 21 years old

He's 24 in January - let's stick to the facts.

[TornadoHibby]

Wow, what hope have we got when the Hibs media are in on the conspiracy?

I think that's now the radio, TV, written (tabloid and broadsheet) and Hibs TV all on the bandwagon.

You've changed into a different person overnight and are quite un-recognisable to me tonight FWTW! :agree:

Such determined venom there to jump on top of anyone who thinks differently from you! :confused:

Pathetic actually and sad that you seem to be enjoying the trip! :cool2:

[Hibs Spain]

Wow, what hope have we got when the Hibs media are in on the conspiracy?

I think that's now the radio, TV, written (tabloid and broadsheet) and Hibs TV all on the bandwagon.Three games,lost one goal after being fouled,saved at LEAST two goals that Static wouldn't have got anywhere near,we've got seven points out of nine and he's a dodgy keeper? He's an absolute diamond and the folks on this site who shoot him down are going to waken up to that when Static gets found out:wink:

[MyJo]

Having just watched the highlights its was clearly a foul on Maka :bitchy:

Ford's only intention was to obstruct him and he did that very cynically, Maka had committed himself to going for the ball and had judged his jump to catch it then just as he got into the air Ford jumped into him.

Regardless of how good a keeper someone is when you get obstructed AFTER jumping for a ball your not going to be able to catch the ball as well as you should have if you catch it at all and thats what has happened to Maka. He has been fouled and did very well to actually catch the ball but he didn't get a good grip on it due to his jump being impeded.

He also appeared to help us salvage a point from the game with 3 excellent saves at key points to keep us in the game.

[Danderhall Hibs]

You've changed into a different person overnight and are quite un-recognisable to me tonight FWTW! :agree:

Such determined venom there to jump on top of anyone who thinks differently from you! :confused:

Pathetic actually and sad that you seem to be enjoying the trip! :cool2:

I was willing to give him (another) chance before I saw the goal. Now I've seen it I've posted my thoughts.

One thing that does irritate me (as well as the blind defence of the big guy) is the media conspiracy nonsense that gets posted - this time they're supposedly conspiring against Maka, normally it's against Hibs in general because we're playing one of the OF at the weekend and need to unsettle us!

I don't think it's pathetic - I want to win something this year and we won't with him in there.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Three games,lost one goal after being fouled,saved at LEAST two goals that Static wouldn't have got anywhere near,we've got seven points out of nine and he's a dodgy keeper? He's an absolute diamond and the folks on this site who shoot him down are going to waken up to that when Static gets found out:wink:

If he gets found out (consistently) then I'd want a new goalie - i wouldn't be calling for the boy that throws them in.

It'd be like shouting to get Zibi back in goals after McNeil made a few mistakes.

[crewetollhibee]

Fed-up with the Maka apologists on this board. Watch again, he reaches for the ball and it goes THROUGH his hands. FFS if this was a Yam keeper we would be wetting ourselves. The man may be playing for us, but that shouldn't cloud our judgement that he is costing us points left,right and centre. And please don't comeback with the saves he's made - that's what's he's paid for. GET SHOT NOW !!!!!!!!!!!

[HFC 0-7]

:agree::agree::agree: the man was fouled and theres not many keepers in the world that would have made the saves maka has done i the last couple of weeks.:agree:

If that was the case, then I am sure there will be Premiership teams lining up willing to spend millions on him. Think your comment is over the top to be honest!

[lyonhibs]

Errrr........... that was a foul, having watched the highlights

Ford isn't even attempting to look at the ball!!!

On the other hand, Maka is 6 foot 5 - he should be coming for that and clearing Ford out of there no problems.

[hibsbollah]

One thing that does irritate me (as well as the blind defence of the big guy) is the media conspiracy nonsense that gets posted

I think you're missing the point, see bawheids post earlier. Its not accusation of conspiracy its accusations of lazy journalism and stereotypes.

Digressing slightly, since the rise of 24/7 internet news most sports 'journalists' have to get their copy in at 5.30ish, about 45 minutes after the game has finished. Theres just not the time anymore to write much beyond the details, plus a few generic bits that were probably written at halftime or the night before after 6 pints. In the good old days the likes of Hugh Mcilvanney had hours to write his stuff before he had to get his copy in. Hence the quality has slipped since then.

[Steve20]

Fed-up with the Maka apologists on this board. Watch again, he reaches for the ball and it goes THROUGH his hands. FFS if this was a Yam keeper we would be wetting ourselves. The man may be playing for us, but that shouldn't cloud our judgement that he is costing us points left,right and centre. And please don't comeback with the saves he's made - that's what's he's paid for. GET SHOT NOW !!!!!!!!!!!

Don't talk pish. He is clearly fouled and he has played well the last few weeks.

It's not the Maka apologists that people should be fed up with, it's the people always on his back, even when he does nowt wrong.

[MyJo]

Fed-up with the Maka apologists on this board. Watch again, he reaches for the ball and it goes THROUGH his hands. FFS if this was a Yam keeper we would be wetting ourselves. The man may be playing for us, but that shouldn't cloud our judgement that he is costing us points left,right and centre. And please don't comeback with the saves he's made - that's what's he's paid for. GET SHOT NOW !!!!!!!!!!!

sniff sniff

[HFC 0-7]

I think you're missing the point, see bawheids post earlier. Its not accusation of conspiracy its accusations of lazy journalism and stereotypes.

Digressing slightly, since the rise of 24/7 internet news most sports 'journalists' have to get their copy in at 5.30ish, about 45 minutes after the game has finished. Theres just not the time anymore to write much beyond the details, plus a few generic bits that were probably written at halftime or the night before after 6 pints. In the good old days the likes of Hugh Mcilvanney had hours to write his stuff before he had to get his copy in. Hence the quality has slipped since then.

What your saying would be true if it were only in the newspapers or internet we were reading etc, but this was commentators at the game who thought Maka had made an error. First glance it looks like he has made a howler, second glance you look and he has been fouled but only slightly, point is, he should still be catching the ball. IMO its not Ford that has caused him to drop it, its the way he has came out to catch the ball and falling over his own player.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Don't talk pish. He is clearly fouled and he has played well the last few weeks.

It's not the Maka apologists that people should be fed up with, it's the people always on his back, even when he does nowt wrong.

He did do something wrong - he dropped it!


sniff sniff

TBF he's the one in the 85% majority here. :wink:

[Danderhall Hibs]

What your saying would be true if it were only in the newspapers or internet we were reading etc, .

:agree: It was just a lazy post. :greengrin

[yekimevol]

im a fan of the big man (since marshall left) to me it looks like he was fouled at killie. and it looks like this is the gtf maka thread. hope he get a run of games and good luck to him. :notworthy:

[HFC 0-7]

Don't talk pish. He is clearly fouled and he has played well the last few weeks.

It's not the Maka apologists that people should be fed up with, it's the people always on his back, even when he does nowt wrong.

There are to many apologists on here for Maka IMO. People were defending him all the way after the Falkirk game regarding his heart in mouth moment, which Yogi clearly thought was a crazy moment. And I think most will agree that Yogi knows more about what to expect from football players than anyone on here.

Peoples opinion of Maka are not just an overnight thing, its all of his performances.

[hibsbollah]

What your saying would be true if it were only in the newspapers or internet we were reading etc, but this was commentators at the game who thought Maka had made an error. First glance it looks like he has made a howler, second glance you look and he has been fouled but only slightly, point is, he should still be catching the ball. IMO its not Ford that has caused him to drop it, its the way he has came out to catch the ball and falling over his own player.

I refer you to myjos post above, if you get clipped while still in the air its not always possible to catch the ball.

[Danderhall Hibs]

im a fan of the big man (since marshall left) to me it looks like he was fouled at killie. and it looks like this is the gtf maka thread. hope he get a run of games and good luck to him. :notworthy:

What's the new coach done differently like? He's still causing threads like this one to be created!

[TornadoHibby]

Don't talk pish. He is clearly fouled and he has played well the last few weeks.

It's not the Maka apologists that people should be fed up with, it's the people always on his back, even when he does nowt wrong.

Don't know about the first bit as I haven't seen the incident yet (been busy for most of the day) but :top marks for the second sentence! :agree:

[HFC 0-7]

I refer you to myjos post above, if you get clipped while still in the air its not always possible to catch the ball.

This isnt boys down the park playing football. Its professionals that train almost every day for this. Keepers are trained to catch the ball under heavy pressure. Look back a few years before keepers got so much protection and see how keepers caught the ball. Maka to me, always has one eye on the ball and one eye looking to see if he is going to get hurt. Yes he was clipped slightly but I think the fact he was on top of one of his own players. Even if Ford never touched him , Maka would still have been heading for his own player which would suggest punching the ball, or coming out more forcefully would have been the better option.

OK, now Stack may not have even came for the ball, but the defence know this when stack is in goals and would have dealt with it, which they have been doing all season with Stack in goals and look where they are in the league.

[Hibbyradge]

Three games,lost one goal after being fouled,saved at LEAST two goals that Static wouldn't have got anywhere near,we've got seven points out of nine and he's a dodgy keeper? He's an absolute diamond and the folks on this site who shoot him down are going to waken up to that when Static gets found out:wink:

You are way out of order calling our goalkeeper names like that.

[crewetollhibee]

sniff sniff
And another apologist makes another typical reply. Look elsewhere for Yam spies, mate, this isn't one here. If in doubt, check my previous posts, instead of taking your lazy pathetic option. GGTTH.

[TornadoHibby]

Having just watched the highlights its was clearly a foul on Maka :bitchy:

Ford's only intention was to obstruct him and he did that very cynically, Maka had committed himself to going for the ball and had judged his jump to catch it then just as he got into the air Ford jumped into him.

Regardless of how good a keeper someone is when you get obstructed AFTER jumping for a ball your not going to be able to catch the ball as well as you should have if you catch it at all and thats what has happened to Maka. He has been fouled and did very well to actually catch the ball but he didn't get a good grip on it due to his jump being impeded.

He also appeared to help us salvage a point from the game with 3 excellent saves at key points to keep us in the game.

You better watch out mate! :agree:

You are about to get jumped on from a great height for serious heresay! :wink:

How dare you not agree with the 85%? :wink: :faf:

Actually.....................:faf: :faf: :faf:

[Danderhall Hibs]

You better watch out mate! :agree:

You are about to get jumped on from a great height for serious heresay! :wink:

How dare you not agree with the 85%? :wink: :faf:

Actually.....................:faf: :faf: :faf:

It beats me how someone who's not had time to watch the goal yet can be so opinionated about it! It must be borderline trolling?

[bawheid]

I think you're missing the point, see bawheids post earlier. Its not accusations of conspiracy its accusations of lazy journalists and stereotypes.

That's exactly right. :agree:


:agree: It was just a lazy post. :greengrin

DH, I've read this thread right through from start to finish again. No one has mentioned a media "conspiracy" or "agenda" apart from you. :confused:


I refer you to myjos post above, if you get clipped while still in the air its not always possible to catch the ball.

In fact, it's rather difficult. :agree:

[Johnny_Leith]

Having just watched the highlights (couldn't make it on Saturday as I was working) I've got to say where are all the "excellent" and "miracle" saves, the saves from Kyle, Invincible and the near post header in the 2nd half were all pretty routine for any goalkeeper I thought :confused:

It was a foul on Maka for sure, maybe punching the ball would have been a better option rather than to try and catch under that sort of pressure but the ref should have given a foul.

[lEXO]

You are way out of order calling our goalkeeper names like that.
Slagging one player to support another is pathetic.:top marks

And another apologist makes another typical reply. Look elsewhere for Yam spies, mate, this isn't one here. If in doubt, check my previous posts, instead of taking your lazy pathetic option. GGTTH.
How does giving your view and support to a player make you an apologist?

[Danderhall Hibs]

DH, I've read this thread right through from start to finish again. No one has mentioned a media "conspiracy" or "agenda" apart from you. :confused:



Really? What about the posts where folk claim that Maka is in fact really good and it's only 'cos the BBC and Sky or SoS say he isn't really good that makes us form a negative opinion?

I'd love to read all othe thread again to pick out the posts I think are relevant but that won't be happening. :greengrin

[crewetollhibee]

Slagging one player to support another is pathetic.:top marks

How does giving your view and support to a player make you an apologist?
Because you are ignoring the obvious by supporting him, that the man is, and always has been, an accident waiting to happen. He has been with us for 2 and a half years now, and we are STILL making excuses for him. He is not a laddie FFS, he won't change now. GGTTH

[PatHead]

Can't believe there is a 10 page thread criticising a Hibs player.

Kevin

[bawheid]

Really? What about the posts where folk claim that Maka is in fact really good and it's only 'cos the BBC and Sky or SoS say he isn't really good that makes us form a negative opinion?


Yes really!

Lots of posts talk about lazy journalism, journalists being sheep, and once the myth is out there it sticks.

Someone detailed Makalambay's errors since he's joined Hibs. There's not that many, certainly no more than any other young goalkeeper would be expected to make.

He is a good goalie IMO. We have two of them. Lucky us. :cool2:

[Baldy Foghorn]

Can't believe there is a 10 page thread criticising a Hibs player.

Kevin

Agreed, absolutely galling and pathetic........... And we call ourselves "supporters"?:confused:

[bawheid]

Because you are ignoring the obvious by supporting him, that the man is, and always has been, an accident waiting to happen. He has been with us for 2 and a half years now, and we are STILL making excuses for him. He is not a laddie FFS, he won't change now. GGTTH

The excuse being that he was fouled?

In goalkeeping terms he is a laddie. He probably has at least 17 years as a keeper left in him.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Yes really!

Lots of posts talk about lazy journalism, journalists being sheep, and once the myth is out there it sticks.

Someone detailed Makalambay's errors since he's joined Hibs. There's not that many, certainly no more than any other young goalkeeper would be expected to make.

He is a good goalie IMO. We have two of them. Lucky us. :cool2:

:top marks

[KeithTheHibby]

Maka's the most athletic,naturally talented goalie around at the moment and once Static starts to run out of luck it'll be interesting to listen to the likes of you then.

Brilliant.

[hibsbollah]

This isnt boys down the park playing football. Its professionals that train almost every day for this. Keepers are trained to catch the ball under heavy pressure. Look back a few years before keepers got so much protection and see how keepers caught the ball. Maka to me, always has one eye on the ball and one eye looking to see if he is going to get hurt. Yes he was clipped slightly but I think the fact he was on top of one of his own players. Even if Ford never touched him , Maka would still have been heading for his own player which would suggest punching the ball, or coming out more forcefully would have been the better option.

OK, now Stack may not have even came for the ball, but the defence know this when stack is in goals and would have dealt with it, which they have been doing all season with Stack in goals and look where they are in the league.


I never mentioned Stack:confused: I actually really like him; unlike some people, I don't have to take sides between two of our own.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Agreed, absolutely galling and pathetic........... And we call ourselves "supporters"?:confused:

So is just positive stuff we're to post from now on then?

Be a pretty boring place to be IMO.

[Baldy Foghorn]

So is just positive stuff we're to post from now on then?

Be a pretty boring place to be IMO.

So you dont think a 10 page thread on our keeper, who I firmly still believe was fouled at the goal, is OTT????

[bawheid]

So is just positive stuff we're to post from now on then?

Be a pretty boring place to be IMO.

It would be. But a lot of the criticism on this thread started before anyone had seen the incident.

I don't mind anyone having a go at a Hibs player when it's justified. On this occasion it's not IMO.

[Danderhall Hibs]

So you dont think a 10 page thread on our keeper, who I firmly still believe was fouled at the goal, is OTT????

Course it's OTT! But the negative stuff should be allowed to be discussed.

BTW I still think he was hardly touched if at all - reading some of the stuff on here you'd think he'd been pole-axed mid-air. If he had kept his eyes on the ball he wouldn't have known the guy was close to him!

[Hibs Spain]

Yes really!

Lots of posts talk about lazy journalism, journalists being sheep, and once the myth is out there it sticks.

Someone detailed Makalambay's errors since he's joined Hibs. There's not that many, certainly no more than any other young goalkeeper would be expected to make.

He is a good goalie IMO. We have two of them. Lucky us. :cool2:And out of those few examples of errors one involved a header from about five yards at tyncastle.:confused:

[TornadoHibby]

It beats me how someone who's not had time to watch the goal yet can be so opinionated about it! It must be borderline trolling?

OK then big guy! :wink:

Here's my assessment (http://www.hibs.net/message/showpost.php?p=2273614&postcount=29)of the BBC highlights which I was hoping to leave on another thread for you to find as you normally do! :yawn:

I've saved you the time and trouble on this occasion cause I can't wait to hear your dissection of my assessment which IS MINE and is ACCURATE in my objective view of what I have seen! :wink: :greengrin

[bawheid]

And out of those few examples of errors one involved a header from about five yards at tyncastle.:confused:

I agree. I didn't think that was a goalkeeping error at the time and I still don't. It was a point blank header inside the six yard box.

[Danderhall Hibs]

OK then big guy! :wink:

Here's my assessment (http://www.hibs.net/message/showpost.php?p=2273614&postcount=29)of the BBC highlights which I was hoping to leave on another thread for you to find as you normally do! :yawn:

I've saved you the time and trouble on this occasion cause I can't wait to hear your dissection of my assessment which IS MINE and is ACCURATE in my objective view of what I have seen! :wink: :greengrin

Sounds like you're counter-accusing me of trolling! Sorry I didn't fall ti your level.

I've no need to read your assessment - IMO you had made your mind up before you saw it.

[Toaods]

people who don't like Maka will tell you he dropped it.

people who do like Maka will tell you he was fouled.

The ref never gave a foul he would have had it been Boruc or McGregor.


Chris Hogg has never been a personal favourite of mine but not once would I tell him to GTF.

The people who do so are either non-Hibs fans or simply uncouth.


I voted on the poll above knowing I'd 'publicly' be on the losing side, however as they (don;t) say... Todays internet poll, tomorrow's electronic chip wrapper.




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[HFC 0-7]

I never mentioned Stack:confused: I actually really like him; unlike some people, I don't have to take sides between two of our own.

Funny how you never mentioned anything else about the rest of my post!

I have in previous posts said that I like Both Keepers, Maka has ability but concentration and decision making is a problem. Stack is more solid. Its not a case of taking sides its about who people think is the correct choice of keeper and that is what the majority of people on here are saying. The problem on this thread is that a couple of people have bashed Maka, most have commented fairly, buit because of the few bashers people have resorted to defending or attacking. I think a lot of peoples defence of Maka for the goal at Killie including yours, is a bit thin as if our keepers had both been solid since their arrival at hibs, people would be saying that Maka could have done a bit better, instead people are trying to defend him by saying he was completely not at fault, or the opposite, people are saying he made a howler, both IMO are bit silly. Yes a slight foul, but Maka could have done better.

[Part/Time Supporter]

people who don't like Maka will tell you he dropped it.

people who do like Maka will tell you he was fouled.

The ref never gave a foul he would have had it been Boruc or McGregor.


Chris Hogg has never been a personal favourite of mine but not once would I tell him to GTF.

The people who do so are either non-Hibs fans or simply uncouth.


I voted on the poll above knowing I'd 'publicly' be on the losing side, however as they (don;t) say... Todays internet poll, tomorrow's electronic chip wrapper.




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Zibi?

[lEXO]

Because you are ignoring the obvious by supporting him, that the man is, and always has been, an accident waiting to happen. He has been with us for 2 and a half years now, and we are STILL making excuses for him. He is not a laddie FFS, he won't change now. GGTTH
I,m not ignoring anything.If our keepers were that great they would,nt be playing in Scotland.We have had this problem with our keepers for a while, and i dont think Maka or Stack are bad keepers.They are as good as we can hope to have on the wages we pay.If we can get better, then great.Until then if we can keep up our unbeaten run with clowns and jugglers in the team i wont complain to much.

[KeithTheHibby]

Ever since Mowbray came to ER we have been subjected to dodgy keepers and outrageous clangers in high profile games.

This season has been different and is down to one man, Stack.

For the last couple of months the goalkeeping position has not been discussed in the press, on messageboards etc. due to competent performances from our number 1.

Maka comes back and within 2 games has brought all the memories back.

For me a goalkeeper should be able to make saves, christ even tub of lard Simon Brown was capable of that!
It's everything else that goes with that which sets out a a good goalie from a bad one...organisation, ability to come for the ball and perhaps the biggest of all, confidence. Stack is not perfect however he is better than Maka.

Maka ain't good enough, the sooner Stack is back the better.

[bingo70]

And out of those few examples of errors one involved a header from about five yards at tyncastle.:confused:

If it was only 5 yards out he should have been out claiming the cross, has that not been your criticism of stack all season :confused:

[TornadoHibby]

Sounds like you're counter-accusing me of trolling! Sorry I didn't fall ti your level.

I've no need to read your assessment - IMO you had made your mind up before you saw it.

You have indeed surpassed yourself this time big guy! :faf:

Now you pretend to know me well enough to assess my intellectual approach to viewing the BBC Highlights and then reporting on what I SAW? :faf:

What, concerned that the FACTS might just prove that Maka didn't actually make a mistake and that, as far as the highlights are concerned, he actually did nothing wrong!? :cool2: :wink:

You do what you like - I have now seen the only evidence available to me so far today and I'm now satisfied that this thread has been yet another witch hunt by a few people who feature in every such thread and who clearly don't like Maka and will not see past 4 or 5 mistakes historically that he has made which have cost goals! :confused:

Did you see the Liverpool-Arsenal match BTW! Almunia made a mistake, call it an "error of judgement" if you will, and it was hardly mentioned even by the commentators and definately not by his team-mates or manager! And........ they won the match! :cool2:

[crewetollhibee]

I,m not ignoring anything.If our keepers were that great they would,nt be playing in Scotland.We have had this problem with our keepers for a while, and i dont think Maka or Stack are bad keepers.They are as good as we can hope to have on the wages we pay.If we can get better, then great.Until then if we can keep up our unbeaten run with clowns and jugglers in the team i wont complain to much.
Fair point mate. Let's agree to disagree, and trust that Yogi sees all.

[bawheid]

If it was only 5 yards out he should have been out claiming the cross, has that not been your criticism of stack all season :confused:

As I recall it was quite a low cross hit with a bit of pace. Not one I would expect the keeper to claim.

[Danderhall Hibs]

You have indeed surpassed yourself this time big guy! :faf:

Now you pretend to know me well enough to assess my intellectual appraoch to viewing the BBC Highlights and then reporting on what I SAW? :faf:


It didn't take a psychologist to work it out - you had 20-odd posts defending him before you found the time to watch it. It was odds-on that you wouldn't go back on your vociferous defence!

[bingo70]

As I recall it was quite a low cross hit with a bit of pace. Not one I would expect the keeper to claim.

Me neither, Hibs Spain has said consistantly this season though that if the balls going across or in the 6 yard line then Stack should be out to claim it, if so then he must believe that Maka was to blame for that goal?

[bawheid]

Me neither, Hibs Spain has said consistantly this season though that if the balls going across or in the 6 yard line then Stack should be out to claim it, if so then he must believe that Maka was to blame for that goal?

I don't agree with Hibs Spain's criticism of Stack either.

We've got two very decent keepers. Maka has the jersey just now and he shouldn't lose it based on yesterday's performance IMO.

[johnbc70]

I have not read this thread except the last few messages. I am no fan of Maka as I think he is too error prone to be a goalie, but having just watched the highlights on BBC though he was fouled. The boy jumped into him without even looking at the ball, the ref must have missed it as it was clear foul.

[Tommy Millar]

As you will I rarely post.

I was at the game yesterday. It was not Maka's best game nor was it his worst. He did make mistakes. At the time I could not tell if he was fouled or not for the goal. Having now seen it again I think he was but that is largely irrelevant.

What I did enjoy yesterday was that he got plenty of support from the fans. When he did make a mistake there were no howls of derision as tends to happen at E.R. I fail to see how shouting abuse at our own players helps improve their performance. I thought the backing by our support yesterday was first class.

[bingo70]

I don't agree with Hibs Spain's criticism of Stack either.

We've got two very decent keepers. Maka has the jersey just now and he shouldn't lose it based on yesterday's performance IMO.

I prefer Stack as i like a boring steady keeper that might not win us games but won't cost us them either by making stupid mistakes, Maka is a decent back up to have though and i won't be overly upset if he is in goals next week.

[Toaods]

Zibi?

show me where, I stuck up for him at first even whilst spending the coldest 90 minutes of my life at Inverness as he single-handedly gave the game away.

I gave the guy every chance and for a while it looked like he may come through it but sadly too many people had him hung drawn and quartered after that.

I still reasoned he should be given time as my view on Hibs players tends to be glass half full rather than half empty.

Keeping back on topic, I have always seen the better side of Maka as much as I see good things the team got from a change in goalkeeper. Stack came in and had had good results which lifted the negativity of the keepers, even though I see some glaring problems he has 'got away with it'.

[TornadoHibby]

It didn't take a psychologist to work it out - you had 20-odd posts defending him before you found the time to watch it. It was odds-on that you wouldn't go back on your vociferous defence!

Suggest that you read them again! :agree:

I constantly refused to express any opinion UNTIL I saw the evidence which I have now seen! :agree:

I HAVE NOW SEEN THAT EVIDENCE AND HAVE NOW GIVEN MY HONEST OPINION! :agree:

Should I have done something else? :dunno:

No matter what you think, I am neither stupid nor blind nor prepared to lie about what I saw on the BBC Highlights and I find it quite amusing that you have taken the huff rather than give me an objective piece of your best prose explaining to me what it is that I don't see that you seem to about the Killie goal! :faf:

I also find it hilarious that you haven't even mentioned the Nish "penalty" that never was, in fact very few people slating Maka have, presumably as their single mindedness and tunnel vision about Maka hasn't allowed them to see something else that was another genuine injustice against Hibs to add to the foul on Maka before the goal was scored! :confused: :cool2:

Maybe the penalty "incident" was never seen as they only watched the Killie goal incident eh? :wink:

[Irish_Steve]

It was a foul,. FACT!!!!

[Toaods]

It was a foul,. FACT!!!!

he was impeded but it was not a foul. FACT!!!! :greengrin

[Danderhall Hibs]

Suggest that you read them again! :agree:

I constantly refused to express any opinion UNTIL I saw the evidence which I have now seen! :agree:


No thanks - it was bad enough the 1st time! :agree:

I've no motivation to re-read 20 odd posts which you have now admitted don't actually say anything about the topic!

[TornadoHibby]

he was impeded but it was not a foul. FACT!!!! :greengrin

Still an injustice against Hibs and proves that the bulk of this thread is total and absolute pish posted by the same few who do the same thing every week that Maka plays! :agree:

[Hibs Spain]

I don't agree with Hibs Spain's criticism of Stack either.

We've got two very decent keepers. Maka has the jersey just now and he shouldn't lose it based on yesterday's performance IMO.You're catching on ..Three games one goal conceded 7 out of 9 points...In the mayhem that is the penalty box,he's lost ONE goal and that was the result of a foul that wasn't given. ..... And he's a useless clown... :greengrin:greengrin

[Toaods]

Still an injustice against Hibs and proves that the bulk of this thread is total and absolute pish posted by the same few who do the same thing every week that Maka plays! :agree:



he was impeded but it was not (given as) a foul. FACT!!!! :greengrin

sorted

[TornadoHibby]

No thanks - it was bad enough the 1st time! :agree:

I've no motivation to re-read 20 odd posts which you have now admitted don't actually say anything about the topic!

I'll take that as a defeat for you and a defeat to justice as you can't actually make a proper argument to objectively criticise what I have most recently posted about the incident! :wink:

I'd hoped that having harranged people all night that you might well have watched the evidence and, if so, with an objective eye but you have disappointed me once again when we get to the finish line and both of us have the evidence to watch! I watched it with an objective eye and had hoped you would too! :cool2:

Imagine disappointing your audience at the point of collision too! :greengrin

Shame on you - you've pushed people around all day and now you won't at least do everyone a favour and respond to someone who has watched the evidence but has a different view from you! :confused:

I can honestly say that had I thought that Maka was to blame for the Killie goal, I would have immediately said so! :agree:

I did not as he was not and you, more than anyone, as a line out jumper at top level Scottish rugby, should be more than aware of what getting impeded when you are already off the ground does to your ability to complete what you intended to do moderating your thoughts to take account of the fact the contact at rugby is much heavier in what is allowed than what is permitted in football! :wink:

Your silence wins the case for Maka for me DH, not that I need you to support me as I am more than able to make up my own mind on the matter NOW! :cool2:

[Danderhall Hibs]

I'll take that as a defeat for you and a defeat to justice as you can't actually make a proper argument to objectively criticise what I have most recently posted about the incident! :wink:


Do what you like mate. If it makes you think you've won good for you, you can sleep easy tonight.

Carry on trolling!

[TornadoHibby]

Do what you like mate. If it makes you think you've won good for you, you can sleep easy tonight.

Carry on trolling!

Purporting to insult me simply proves the point that you have lost your case big guy! :dummytit:

Night night! :faf:

[Danderhall Hibs]

Purporting to insult me simply proves the point that you have lost your case big guy! :dummytit:

Night night! :faf:

I don't know which debating school you went to but it didn't do you much good!

I'll be adding you to my ignore list and when this thread reappears at the top of the page I'll have no doubt that it was you bringing it back to everyone's attention in a very "undercover yam" way. Fortunately I won't be able to read it.

Cheers for the one post with your opinion in it. :aok:

[truehibernian]

I saw Alan Rough make howlers, yet he was a terrific shot stopper and all round keeper. Goram was by far the best shot stopper I have ever seen at Easter Road, yet he was prone in the early part of his Hibs career to some terrible lapses and poor judgement, typically not managing cross balls well in the early days. Leighton was another great keeper, but IMO very poor sometimes on the deck and lacked agility in his later career. Those three keepers, brought to Easter Road, had by then though gathered lots of competitive experience, handling big games, partisan crowds etc. Maka came from Chelsea youth teams/reserves for gods sake. We have the internet now, so we fans can now, even more so, become "armchair managers" and spout our tactics, techniques, thoughts etc. I wonder if the internet, and match highlights, were so freely available back then, our opinions (and harsh criticism) would change about Goram, Leighton and Co, who are now regarded as old school club legends. Maka could have been fouled, yet he could have been more authoratative and claimed the ball without worrying about Ford. It's opinions. But one thing doesn't change.............Maka is a Hibs player, so we should support the big fella and not have silly polls like this. Anyone at the Well game at Fir Park, ask yourselves this........did Stack cover himself in glory in that game with their equaliser and failure to come and command his box that day ? And he is a good keeper too. They ALL have their moments and off days guys. Ben Foster, Chris Kirkland, David James, David Seaman, Fabian Barthez, Jens Lehman, Artur Boruc ............bet you can all think of high profile games where they have made monumental gaffs. And they are all international keepers who would walk into most sides in Europe. Give Maka a break boys :agree:

[crewetollhibee]

The excuse being that he was fouled?

In goalkeeping terms he is a laddie. He probably has at least 17 years as a keeper left in him.
Fouled by who ? His own centre-half ? Not a foul according to the rules IIRC. Has the option of punching the ball to the half-way line not been explained to our promising keeper ? He stands at least 6 inches taller than most centre-forwards he comes up against ( plus another couple of feet with his arms extended ), why isn't he punching these crosses away ? Simples. :thumbsup:

[Hibs Spain]

he was impeded but it was not a foul. FACT!!!! :greengrinAnd that's a FACT!!:greengrin

[ArabHibee]

people who don't like Maka will tell you he dropped it.

people who do like Maka will tell you he was fouled.

The ref never gave a foul he would have had it been Boruc or McGregor.


Chris Hogg has never been a personal favourite of mine but not once would I tell him to GTF.

The people who do so are either non-Hibs fans or simply uncouth.


I voted on the poll above knowing I'd 'publicly' be on the losing side, however as they (don;t) say... Todays internet poll, tomorrow's electronic chip wrapper.




.

I'm intrigued. What do electronic chips taste like?

[Toaods]

I'm intrigued. What do electronic chips taste like?

you can only taste them if you have a mega-byte. :cool2:

[lobster]

Maka is a Hibs player, so we should support the big fella and not have silly polls like this. Give Maka a break boys :agree::agree:

PS With the benefit of BBC highlights he was fouled but he still should've dealt with it. Upwards and onwards big man. :thumbsup:

[matty_f]

finally managed to see the goal, and I have to say that I thought it was a foul.
Tornado : do you know Danderhall Hibs personally? The way you're going on I'm wondering if he has done your missus or something! :greengrin

[flash]

It was a clear foul. To suggest otherwise is simply to lie.

[jabis]

Cant be ashed reading anymore guff on this thread,BOTH keepers deserve our support.




END OF !

[Allant1981]

people who don't like Maka will tell you he dropped it.

people who do like Maka will tell you he was fouled.

The ref never gave a foul he would have had it been Boruc or McGregor.


Chris Hogg has never been a personal favourite of mine but not once would I tell him to GTF.

The people who do so are either non-Hibs fans or simply uncouth.


I voted on the poll above knowing I'd 'publicly' be on the losing side, however as they (don;t) say... Todays internet poll, tomorrow's electronic chip wrapper.




.


I think he is a decent enough keeper and think we should hang onto him for back up but IMO that was never a foul and if and when stack is fit IMO he should be back in goals

[Peevemor]

I just managed to watch the short highlights on HI and for me it was s a definite foul. I have to say that I thought even the HI commentator was OTT in his comments regarding Maka, basically saying that he looked shaky at certain times, when for me he looked anything but.

Oh, and if you're reading this, you shouldn't pronounce the 's' at the end of Yves. :nerd:

[Peevemor]

Cant be ashed reading anymore guff on this thread,BOTH keepers deserve our support.




END OF !

Good shout. :aok:

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

finally managed to see the goal, and I have to say that I thought it was a foul.
Tornado : do you know Danderhall Hibs personally? The way you're going on I'm wondering if he has done your missus or something! :greengrin

:faf:

[Toaods]

I just managed to watch the short highlights on HI and for me it was s a definite foul. I have to say that I thought even the HI commentator was OTT in his comments regarding Maka, basically saying that he looked shaky at certain times, when for me he looked anything but.

just because someone is doing a commentary for HI it doesn't necessarily make their point of view correct, Hibby or not.:wink:

[Peevemor]

just because someone is doing a commentary for HI it doesn't necessarily make their point of view correct, Hibby or not.:wink:

Which is the point I'm making.

[jabis]

Good shout. :aok:



Me too :thumbsup:

[ArabHibee]

finally managed to see the goal, and I have to say that I thought it was a foul.
Tornado : do you know Danderhall Hibs personally? The way you're going on I'm wondering if he has done your missus or something! :greengrin

:tee hee:

[matty_f]

just because someone is doing a commentary for HI it doesn't necessarily make their point of view correct, Hibby or not.:wink:

Aye it does! :greengrin

[Peevemor]

Aye it does! :greengrin

Even if he doesn't know the opposing team's players' names? :greengrin

[Dashing Bob S]

Lets just get rid of Makalamby. Then we'll be in easy street and never ever have to worry about goalkeeping issues again.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

I just managed to watch the short highlights on HI and for me it was s a definite foul. I have to say that I thought even the HI commentator was OTT in his comments regarding Maka, basically saying that he looked shaky at certain times, when for me he looked anything but.

Oh, and if you're reading this, you shouldn't pronounce the 's' at the end of Yves. :nerd:

To be fair to Cliff, the angle he (and the camera) had wasn't the best. The BBC highlights from behind the goal (and perhaps from the dugout) suggest there was some contact.

[Peevemor]

To be fair to Cliff, the angle he (and the camera) had wasn't the best. The BBC highlights from behind the goal (and perhaps from the dugout) suggest there was some contact.

I'm not just speaking about the goal.

[Toaods]

:tee hee:

he's the one that's just recently become a Dad too...:faf:

[Part/Time Supporter]

Lets just get rid of Makalamby. Then we'll be in easy street and never ever have to worry about goalkeeping issues again.

Done that with just about every other Collins signing I can think of. Which is quite frightening when you consider how recent his stint was.

[Toaods]

Done that with just about every other Collins signing I can think of. Which is quite frightening when you consider how recent his stint was.

Makalambay was shown around the club, city and lined up long before Collins arrived..:wink:

[vahibbie]

Just saw the highlights and there looked to be contact so probably a foul.
Saying that tho, Maka's a big lad and should have held it.
Don't think he'll keep his place next week if Stacks is fit.

He just looks so f'kn casual at times, probably just his way but it makes a lot of fans nervous....so it might have the same effect on the defenders.

[Part/Time Supporter]

Makalambay was shown around the club, city and lined up long before Collins arrived..:wink:

by that great judge of a goalie, A. Mowbray, esq.

[Toaods]

by that great judge of a goalie, A. Mowbray, esq.

I would assume it was more likely to be Gordon Marshall, not sure Tony Mowbray will claim to be an expert judge of keepers at any time.

[crewetollhibee]

he was impeded but it was not a foul. FACT!!!! :greengrin
Correct, and he could have picked out any part of the centre circle he wanted to, if he had CHOSEN to punch the ball clear. And that is what we are all debating here, his decision-making. Not one poster on here has questioned his shot-stopping ability, just what goes on in his mind at key moments. Christ, if we are confused, imagine what goes through Sol's and Hogg's/Murray's minds over the course of 90 min's ?

[silverhibee]

people who don't like Maka will tell you he dropped it.

people who do like Maka will tell you he was fouled.

The ref never gave a foul he would have had it been Boruc or McGregor.


Chris Hogg has never been a personal favourite of mine but not once would I tell him to GTF.

The people who do so are either non-Hibs fans or simply uncouth.


I voted on the poll above knowing I'd 'publicly' be on the losing side, however as they (don;t) say... Todays internet poll, tomorrow's electronic chip wrapper.




.

And yet Nish makes these challenges in most games against goal keepers and 10 times out of 10 he gets a foul against him, for me it was a foul on Maka and a poor decision from the referee, just like the penalty Nish never got, another poor call from the referee, while the biggest majority of supporters in Scotland are up in arms about the poor referee standards this season, some Hibs supporters dont see the bad decisions referees are making in games just Maka making a so called mistake and give him a hard time over it rather than having a go at the ref for being crap at the game.

[Speedway]

Not personally a fan of Maka but having reviewed the evidence again:

1. Fantastic first half save from the header and...

2. Did not 'drop a clanger' for the Killie goal, he was fouled.

[wee 162]

And yet Nish makes these challenges in most games against goal keepers and 10 times out of 10 he gets a foul against him, for me it was a foul on Maka and a poor decision from the referee, just like the penalty Nish never got, another poor call from the referee, while the biggest majority of supporters in Scotland are up in arms about the poor referee standards this season, some Hibs supporters dont see the bad decisions referees are making in games just Maka making a so called mistake and give him a hard time over it rather than having a go at the ref for being crap at the game.

It's an anti jambo thing imo. We see them whining about refs continuously and don't want to be like that. To the extent that half the support sounds like Jambos by saying our keeper is ***** instead.

[NGH]

I don't think I'll vote in this poll as my honest opinion is that I'm just as happy with either in goals. Stack has played only around a dozen games for Hibs and less than 100 1st team games in his career so it seems a little early for definitive judgements. As Makalamby is a young keeper by any standards ( age and games played) the level and tone of much of the abuse thrown at him is completely unjustified.

Anyone old enough to have been there would have had just as many heart-stopping moments watching Jim Leighton receive a back pass or Andy Goram stand rooted to line as crosses came in. Even the languid style of Alan Rough could provoke the odd rise in blood pressure.

I doubt even the close family of Stack and Makalamby would honestly claim that they are as good as those three so it would be helpful if some folk would re-examine what they should properly expect from a Hibs keeper before dipping their keyboards in vitriol.

Perhaps we should support both of the keepers and let John Hughes decide which one goes in goal.

[Storar]

I don't rate Makalambay. I don't like seeing him in the line-up and I'll be happy enough when he goes (hopefully that's in the summer if not January).

I do think it was a foul on this occasion though.

[Toaods]

I don't think I'll vote in this poll as my honest opinion is that I'm just as happy with either in goals.

I doon;t understand why the poll was merged onto this thread as the discussion was more on the was it/wasn't it a foul debate. As if Maka was likely to win a poll when accused of dropping a clanger.


I'd be interested to see a range of goalkeeper stats for the season, ie no of saves made, crosses claimed, crossed lost back passes dealt with, goal kicks booted directly into touch, etc

[PC Stamp]

I just managed to watch the short highlights on HI and for me it was s a definite foul. I have to say that I thought even the HI commentator was OTT in his comments regarding Maka, basically saying that he looked shaky at certain times, when for me he looked anything but.

Oh, and if you're reading this, you shouldn't pronounce the 's' at the end of Yves. :nerd:


just because someone is doing a commentary for HI it doesn't necessarily make their point of view correct, Hibby or not.:wink:


To be fair to Cliff, the angle he (and the camera) had wasn't the best. The BBC highlights from behind the goal (and perhaps from the dugout) suggest there was some contact.


I'm not just speaking about the goal.

I've had a listen back to the commentary on the short highlights and I'm pretty sure that's not me. :wink:

I'm sure some of you guys watch the daily HTV interviews and hopefully by now you should be able to differentiate between my Scots accent and a BBC style English one? :greengrin

The short highlights are actually produced by Perform themselves to which they provide their own commentary.

FWIW, myself and Martin stated in the main commentary that from our position we felt that Maka perhaps could have done better but then added that Hughes was going daft on the touchline claiming Maka had been fouled. We therefore agreed that we'd like to see it again before hanging him out to dry. Having now seen it again, I think he was indeed fouled but being that he's a right big lad he still maybe should have done a little better with it.

[KiddA]

There we go again. For every great few games he has, this clown makes a stupid mistake.

:grr::grr::grr:

Just watched the highlights and it was Maka's fault. The funny thing is he wonders why he was dropped in the first place. Watch the highlights Maka thats why, two points dropped again:yawn: because of him. His time was up a long time ago. He would be a good 1st division keeper but not good enough for the spl :agree:

[sesoim]

Can't believe there is a 10 page thread criticising a Hibs player.

Kevin


It's a 12 page thread DISCUSSING him. And if it wasn't for a handful of nutters/thickos who think Maka is amazing, there wouldn't have been any reason for any of the rest of us to reply.

[sesoim]

I doon;t understand why the poll was merged onto this thread as the discussion was more on the was it/wasn't it a foul debate. As if Maka was likely to win a poll when accused of dropping a clanger.


I'd be interested to see a range of goalkeeper stats for the season, ie no of saves made, crosses claimed, crossed lost back passes dealt with, goal kicks booted directly into touch, etc


It would be more interesting if the stats included number of saveable goals conceded through casualness/laziness.

[Regina Phalange]

It's a definite foul. Most of the time opposing players are barely allowed to challenge the goalkeeper before a foul is given, and I've seen plenty go the other way - goals I would deem legal disallowed for a "foul" on the keeper. Maka is very unlucky to have that goal stand against him. I think his size may count against him in that, subconsciously, he is given less protection by referees because he looks like he should be able to handle himself.

[Steve20]

He has done nothing wrong since coming back into to side. He was clearly fouled on Saturday. I have watched it a few times now on the highlights as well and I can't understand how anyone can say he wasn't.

I think he will turn out to be a very good keeper, but it might need to be at another club as some fans are just not willing to give him a fair chance.

[PeeJay]

Could all you Makka apologists please stop pretending the guy was fouled and that was why he dropped the ball. We’ve all read often enough that football is a contact sport and that’s what happens, be it on the ground or up in the air when your jumping for a ball – it’s not an excuse to say “ somebody bumped into me” – he’s bigger than anybody else on the park, its’ his job to command the 6-yard box; if he’s not skilled enough to catch the ball under pressure (his job) then he should have punched it (his job) decision-making: it’s his job! His mistakes have cost us points – yet again! To claim that this was a clear foul smacks to me of the same blindness that so many fans (in this case Hibs ones) have when watching their own team, i.e. none of our players are ever offside and we never ever commit fouls. Unreal – get the guy out the door: too many mistakes of similar nature. He will NEVER be a great goalkeeper – ever!!
Hughes in the The Scotsman says "Big Yves fell over Chris Hogg at the goal, when he came off his line for the ball. I didn't see it as a foul on the keeper”, but the Makka apologist no doubt know better! Stop pretending guys – the evidence is all against you, take the blinkers off! :agree:

[GlesgaeHibby]

He has done nothing wrong since coming back into to side. He was clearly fouled on Saturday. I have watched it a few times now on the highlights as well and I can't understand how anyone can say he wasn't.

I think he will turn out to be a very good keeper, but it might need to be at another club as some fans are just not willing to give him a fair chance.

The guys had two and a half years at the club and made 61 appearances. How much more of a chance does he deserve?

[Steve20]

The guys had two and a half years at the club and made 61 appearances. How much more of a chance does he deserve?

In that time, he will have saved us far more points than lost us.

Ok, the Maka haters win. Let's get rid of him in January, bring another keeper in January to rival Stack and as soon as he makes a mistake, we can try and chase him out the door as well. :rolleyes:

As for the people who say it's not a foul - nonsense.

[Judas Iscariot]

I think it probably was a foul..

It wouldn't have happened if Maka had..

1.Stayed on his line and let the defence deal with it

2.Punched the ball instead of trying to catch it then drop it

or

3.Came out and cleared house to claim the ball!

Another error of judgement/clanger fir the Maka log book..

Play to the whistle and all that, ref never blew for a foul so thd ball was still live..

Stack in for me on Saturday if fit please :agree:

[Hibs90]

i'm pretty sure the reason chelsea let him leave,was because of his poor decision making and repeatedly loosing bad goals,which will totally out weigh anything good that he does in a game.

Thats complete baws. Where was this said? Prove it.

[Hibs90]

Also, having seen the goal, defo looks like a foul. Although Maka NEEDS to be stronger than that and a man of his size should be able to push people away no problem.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Just watched the highlights and it was Maka's fault. The funny thing is he wonders why he was dropped in the first place. Watch the highlights Maka thats why, two points dropped again:yawn: because of him. His time was up a long time ago. He would be a good 1st division keeper but not good enough for the spl :agree:

So you conveniently forget about his saves to keep us level, or the dodgy refereeing decision for a stonewall penalty on Nish:confused::confused:

The end of the world is nigh, it is Maka's fault

[TornadoHibby]

finally managed to see the goal, and I have to say that I thought it was a foul.
Tornado : do you know Danderhall Hibs personally? The way you're going on I'm wondering if he has done your missus or something! :greengrin

Glad that you were able to see the very clear foul on Maka Matty! :agree:

You have raised two very challenging questions of me which I will do my best to answer honestly and comprehensively for you! :wink:

1. No.

2. No.

:greengrin

[Tommy Millar]

I do not see why some people think Maka cost us two points. We did not start playing until we fell a goal behind and perhaps a sense of injustice at the goal played a part in firing up the players.

The way the game had been going, it was either likely to finish 0-0 or we were going to lose a goal from the numerous corners and free kicks we were conceding.

[TornadoHibby]

I don't know which debating school you went to but it didn't do you much good!

I'll be adding you to my ignore list and when this thread reappears at the top of the page I'll have no doubt that it was you bringing it back to everyone's attention in a very "undercover yam" way. Fortunately I won't be able to read it.

Cheers for the one post with your opinion in it. :aok:

Possibly your best post directed at me yet if I may say big guy! :agree:

You do what you must to stop having to face views which may be different from your own! :wink:

I'll keep posting my own views on Hibs things on here and try and debate with others who disagree why they disagree and hope at least to understand each others reasoning for having different views! That's perfectly normal "debating" behaviour at anyone's debating school! :wink:

You won't need to figure in that as whenever your view is challenged and you believe you may have difficulty in winning a debate by conventional means, as most people do, you simply turn yourself into a bully (and incredibly easily too I've noticed :cool2:) and start insulting the other view holder before going off in a huff throwing more insults at your adversary which you imply you won't respond to yet you must always have the last word I've noticed! :confused:

You carry on doing your stuff mate and now that you've revealed your true colours as far as I'm concerned my being on some "blocked list" of yours will cause me absolutely no difficulties or concerns whatsoever! :wink: :cool2:

PS Just goes to show you only read what you want to see as there were several posts of mine yesterday which included opinions! Problem for you of course was that they didn't agree with yours! :faf:

PPS what was your view of my opinion ? :aok:

[Captain Trips]

Thought I would join the debate.

I think Maka has made some terrible errors on too many occasions for us in past.

However he played very well on Saturday and IMHO he would have had that ball if not been barged by the player Ford I believe. Some are saying if he stayed online that would not have happened, yes it wouldnt, just like a striker wont miss any chances if they dont get into the position.

That ball was there for the keeper to take control, he did but was fouled therefore I feel that he is not to blame for this goal. There are a lot of posts on this probably so as its so divided.

[H18sry]

I doon;t understand why the poll was merged onto this thread as the discussion was more on the was it/wasn't it a foul debate. As if Maka was likely to win a poll when accused of dropping a clanger.


I'd be interested to see a range of goalkeeper stats for the season, ie no of saves made, crosses claimed, crossed lost back passes dealt with, goal kicks booted directly into touch, etc

No neither do I, I started the poll and I asked why it was merged and never recieved an answer. :confused:

[Hibbyradge]

Possibly your best post directed at me yet if I may say big guy! :agree:

You do what you must to stop having to face views which may be different from your own! :wink:

I'll keep posting my own views on Hibs things on here and try and debate with others who disagree why they disagree and hope at least to understand each others reasoning for having different views! That's perfectly normal "debating" behaviour at anyone's debating school! :wink:

You won't need to figure in that as whenever your view is challenged and you believe you may have difficulty in winning a debate by conventional means, as most people do, you simply turn yourself into a bully (and incredibly easily too I've noticed :cool2:) and start insulting the other view holder before going off in a huff throwing more insults at your adversary which you imply you won't respond to yet you must always have the last word I've noticed! :confused:

You carry on doing your stuff mate and now that you've revealed your true colours as far as I'm concerned my being on some "blocked list" of yours will cause me absolutely no difficulties or concerns whatsoever! :wink: :cool2:

PS Just goes to show you only read what you want to see as there were several posts of mine yesterday which included opinions! Problem for you of course was that they didn't agree with yours! :faf:

You called me condescending for saying pretty much the same thing earlier.

Funny, innit? :wink:

[TornadoHibby]

You called me condescending for saying pretty much the same thing earlier.

Funny, innit? :wink:

At the risk of sounding rather trite, you really do need to ready the entire thread and, in particular the posts of DH not only directed at me but at anyone in fact, before you pull my comment to you of at least a couple of weeks ago if not more (what a memory you must have :greengrin) into the mix on this thread! :cool2:

Anything less means your view is out of context I believe! :agree:

[matty_f]

At the risk of sounding rather trite, you really do need to ready the entire thread and, in particular the posts of DH not only directed at me but at anyone in fact, before you pull my comment to you of at least a couple of weeks ago if not more (what a memory you must have :greengrin) into the mix on this thread! :cool2:

Anything less means your view is out of context I believe! :agree:

I've read the whole thread, and I don't think DH said anything untoward that's merited the posts you've aimed at him, to be honest.

I have to admit to being somewhat confused at your continued harrassing of the guy.

[Captain Trips]

Also, having seen the goal, defo looks like a foul. Although Maka NEEDS to be stronger than that and a man of his size should be able to push people away no problem.

Yes small people, Simon ford is not someone of the size you can push away especially if you are in midair with no leverage.

[matty_f]

Yes small people, Simon ford is not someone of the size you can push away especially if you are in midair with no leverage.

:agree:

[blackpoolhibs]

The results of the poll are quite interesting, 80% -20% in favour of Stack. I firmly believe Stack is the more competent keeper. And i believe Yogi wont have this problem next season. He will let Maka leave, and replace him. It wont bother me one bit, and if he can get someone as good as Stack, we wont go far wrong.

[TornadoHibby]

I've read the whole thread, and I don't think DH said anything untoward that's merited the posts you've aimed at him, to be honest.
I have to admit to being somewhat confused at your continued harrassing of the guy.

Well I'm afraid that you and I will have to disagree on that Matty! :wink:

That will perhaps explain your subsequent confusion too!? :cool2:

Put simply, I'm not happy about being told what I should think about somthing I am perfectly capable of forming my own view on! :confused:

DH harrassed almost everyone who didn't agree with his views throughout this thread and indeed I commented on that at least twice during the course of yesterday to no avail however. :agree:

Anyway, I guess that this topic will drop down the list of "hot threads" until after the Aberdeen match assuming Maka plays! :confused:

[flash]

Could all you Makka apologists please stop pretending the guy was fouled and that was why he dropped the ball. We’ve all read often enough that football is a contact sport and that’s what happens, be it on the ground or up in the air when your jumping for a ball – it’s not an excuse to say “ somebody bumped into me” – he’s bigger than anybody else on the park, its’ his job to command the 6-yard box; if he’s not skilled enough to catch the ball under pressure (his job) then he should have punched it (his job) decision-making: it’s his job! His mistakes have cost us points – yet again! To claim that this was a clear foul smacks to me of the same blindness that so many fans (in this case Hibs ones) have when watching their own team, i.e. none of our players are ever offside and we never ever commit fouls. Unreal – get the guy out the door: too many mistakes of similar nature. He will NEVER be a great goalkeeper – ever!!
Hughes in the The Scotsman says "Big Yves fell over Chris Hogg at the goal, when he came off his line for the ball. I didn't see it as a foul on the keeper”, but the Makka apologist no doubt know better! Stop pretending guys – the evidence is all against you, take the blinkers off! :agree:

Don't be such an erse. Regardless of whether you rate Maka it was a challenge which is a foul 99 times out of 10.

[Hibbyradge]

At the risk of sounding rather trite, you really do need to ready the entire thread and, in particular the posts of DH not only directed at me but at anyone in fact, before you pull my comment to you of at least a couple of weeks ago if not more (what a memory you must have :greengrin) into the mix on this thread! :cool2:

Anything less means your view is out of context I believe! :agree:

Which is pretty much the point I was making to you.

Not that I bear a grudge, likesay.

[Hibbyradge]

I thought it was a foul when I saw it on Sky yesterday. The BBC highlights only strengthen that view.

The lesson? If he's going to get challenged in future, he should punch clear.