Foxy Knoxy Found Guilty

[Marabou Stork]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8394750.stm

Girls that hot should be allowed to kill whoever they damn well want. It's a disgrace.

[HibbyScott]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8394750.stm

Girls that hot should be allowed to kill whoever they damn well want. It's a disgrace.

I hope this is an attempt at a joke. If not, Oh dear...

[Steve-O]

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[Marabou Stork]

I hope this is an attempt at a joke. If not, Oh dear...

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[lapsedhibee]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8394750.stm

Girls that hot should be allowed to kill whoever they damn well want. It's a disgrace.

:agree: The jury in reaching their verdict seem to have had scant or no regard for the feelings of Knox's relatives, all of whom are completely innocent of any crime and are deeply upset.

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Iteresting that the guilty verdict means that Knox and Sollecito have to pay compensation to the family of the dead girl. And to the barman Knox had accused....

Interestingalso that said barman's name is Patrick Lumumba - thought he was assassinated years ago in the Congo?

And all this time he was in a protection program in Perugia. :devil:


Of course, this verdict's totally unsound. The lawyers, the witnesses, the jury - they're all ITALIAN.

[CropleyWasGod]

Interestingalso that said barman's name is Patrick Lumumba - thought he was assassinated years ago in the Congo?

And all this time he was in a protection program in Perugia. :devil:


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A. Pedant writes....

That was Patrice Lumumba.

Clearly he took the Budget Protection Plan. A minor change of name, and suddenly he's in a trannie bar.

If he had taken the Gold Plan, he would have had a great job, unlimited young women.... and had a name like Berlusconi. :greengrin

[sleeping giant]

I hope this is an attempt at a joke. If not, Oh dear...

:faf:

Cmon now......

[Betty Boop]

Iteresting that the guilty verdict means that Knox and Sollecito have to pay compensation to the family of the dead girl. And to the barman Knox had accused....

Interestingalso that said barman's name is Patrick Lumumba - thought he was assassinated years ago in the Congo?

And all this time he was in a protection program in Perugia. :devil:


Of course, this verdict's totally unsound. The lawyers, the witnesses, the jury - they're all ITALIAN.

America are notorious for ripping in to the justice systems of other countries, as if their's was perfect. The badgering of the Ketchers in their press conference by the UK and US press was a disgrace, hardly a word about the poor soul who lost her life, it was all about Amanda Knox. The Knox PR machine was in overdrive, however it appears the jury were unconvinced.

[McIntosh]

America are notorious for ripping in to the justice systems of other countries, as if their's was perfect. The badgering of the Ketchers in their press conference by the UK and US press was a disgrace, hardly a word about the poor soul who lost her life, it was all about Amanda Knox. The Knox PR machine was in overdrive, however it appears the jury were unconvinced.

Quoted for truth, I watched the entire press conference - it was disgusting at times. Justice was done and justice was seen to be done, all very sad.

[ArabHibee]

America are notorious for ripping in to the justice systems of other countries, as if their's was perfect. The badgering of the Ketchers in their press conference by the UK and US press was a disgrace, hardly a word about the poor soul who lost her life, it was all about Amanda Knox. The Knox PR machine was in overdrive, however it appears the jury were unconvinced.

What were the badgering the Ketchers about?

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A. Pedant writes....

That was Patrice Lumumba.

Clearly he took the Budget Protection Plan. A minor change of name, and suddenly he's in a trannie bar.

If he had taken the Gold Plan, he would have had a great job, unlimited young women.... and had a name like Berlusconi. :greengrin


I KNEW that.

Aye, but Lord Lucan had already booked the Gold Plan.


And the Gold Plan sometimes can go disastrously wrong.....

http://ridiculousitaly.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/2008-07-14-il-presidente-berlusconi-puritanical-view.jpg

[Dashing Bob S]

Knoxy seems more poxy than foxy.

[Hibrandenburg]

Knoxy seems more poxy than foxy.

:agree: More of a dog than a cat.

[Wilson]

Knoxy seems more poxy than foxy.

I hope that is an attempt at a joke. If not... oh dear...

[Phil D. Rolls]

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On a more serious note, I don't know anything about this trial other than the news summary last night. Seems like there was a lot of circumstantial evidence.

[(((Fergus)))]

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On a more serious note, I don't know anything about this trial other than the news summary last night. Seems like there was a lot of circumstantial evidence.

:agree: Seems like a lot of people's imaginations working overtime. Not saying they didn't do it, but the evidence is not exactly conclusive.

[Woody1985]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8394750.stm

Girls that hot should be allowed to kill whoever they damn well want. It's a disgrace.

Are you sure you're not getting Knoxy mixed up with the victim?! I thought Knoxy was a bit of a munter.

The media certainly portrayed her as guilty right from the start. In cases like that, similar to the Luke Mitchell case the jury are going to have a preconceived idea about the case which is **** for a fair trial.

From what I've read, in the medie of course, it would seem that they've got the right person although there was some doubt cast about some other guy whose story was inconsistent.

[Marabou Stork]

Are you sure you're not getting Knoxy mixed up with the victim?! I thought Knoxy was a bit of a munter.



L.A.R.U.A.D (http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/090116-amanda-knox-vmed-245a.widec.jpg)

[Woody1985]

L.A.R.U.A.D (http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/090116-amanda-knox-vmed-245a.widec.jpg)

She is quite hot there, although it would appear dangerous to get involved in any kind of sex game with her. Best staying clear of that one!

[Andy74]

She is quite hot there, although it would appear dangerous to get involved in any kind of sex game with her. Best staying clear of that one!

Come on, you still would though eh, what's the worst that could happen?

[Woody1985]

Come on, you still would though eh, what's the worst that could happen?

Errrmmm...

I wasn't sure if I should put a :greengrin after that or not!

[Hibs Class]

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On a more serious note, I don't know anything about this trial other than the news summary last night. Seems like there was a lot of circumstantial evidence.

There is a fair amount of circumstantial evidence, but there is also a fair bit of forensic evidence. IMHO one of the problems with the perception of this case has been that it dragged on for the best part of a year, as the court never sat for more than three days a week and had long breaks, and much of the UK media coverage refelcted the trial itself and then the Knox family / US response. The US inference is that US forensics are better than Italian, as are US judges and juries. There has been far less coverage given to the victim in the case. As I read elsewhere, if Knox had wanted an American trial she should have committed murder in America.

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There is a fair amount of circumstantial evidence, but there is also a fair bit of forensic evidence. IMHO one of the problems with the perception of this case has been that it dragged on for the best part of a year, as the court never sat for more than three days a week and had long breaks, and much of the UK media coverage refelcted the trial itself and then the Knox family / US response. The US inference is that US forensics are better than Italian, as are US judges and juries. There has been far less coverage given to the victim in the case. As I read elsewhere, if Knox had wanted an American trial she should have committed murder in America.


US media will always infer that their system's better than anyone else's. It ain't necessarily so....

Also US media tend to have a grossly inflated idea of the capabilities of their forensics, mainly based on the CSI programs. It seems they assume that real-life CSIs are capable of achieving the same accuracy, within the same timescale, as Grissom and Horatio and the rest are. Again, life just doesn't work that way.

I know of no reason to jump to any assumption that the Italian police and judiciary are any less trustworthy than those in the US - in fact, all things being equal and given proper legal representation, I think I'd rather be tried in Italy than in some parts of the USA.

[joe breezy]

I would die happy after a session with Foxy Knoxy

[marinello59]

Also US media tend to have a grossly inflated idea of the capabilities of their forensics, mainly based on the CSI programs. It seems they assume that real-life CSIs are capable of achieving the same accuracy, within the same timescale, as Grissom and Horatio and the rest are. Again, life just doesn't work that way.

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That's not what is being questioned in this case though. What the defence team say is that the amount of DNA recovered was so small as to be inadmissable in an American court. Or a British one for that matter. There does seem to be a real chance that it's presence was due to cross contamination in the forensic lab. (Of course that would never happen here. Especially not with traces of explosives.:wink:)
Ms Know seems to be quite a bizarre character and she did act oddly in the aftermath of this crime. However from what I have read her conviction looks less than sound.

[LiverpoolHibs]

Quite an interesting case. The speculation seems to be that the conviction is set up to be self-destructive on appeal meaning that both 'sides' get what the want. The Italian courts look independent and strong for convicting in the first place but the Americans get what they want eventually.

[Houchy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8394750.stm

Girls that hot should be allowed to kill whoever they damn well want. It's a disgrace.

She looks like Kenny Miller wi' tits:greengrin

[Peevemor]

She looks like Kenny Miller wi' tits:greengrin

Quite often see him with 10 tits. :agree:

[Woody1985]

Her father was on the news and if what he said is true then it seriously throws the conviction into doubt.

I've not looked at the evidence on the case but he stated that no DNA evidence from her other the other convicted party were found in the room.

One of the main bits of evidence wasn't found until 40 odd days after the event. That she was questioned in breach of human rights laws and that the Italians never taped the conversation, required to by law. She was said to have pointed the finger at her boss (?) but has since said that she was asked as 'what do you think happened' but we'll never know since there is no recording.

It throws it into serious doubt the conviction and from what I have seen / read she's got a good chance of getting it.

Rather than people bitching about Americas involvement you might want to question how many other convictions in Italy are equally as wooly. This case probably wouldn't have been highlighted if they weren't foreign students.

Of course I'm happy to retract that last point if there is decent evidence to suggest it was her.

[number 27]

Her father was on the news and if what he said is true then it seriously throws the conviction into doubt.

I've not looked at the evidence on the case but he stated that no DNA evidence from her other the other convicted party were found in the room.

One of the main bits of evidence wasn't found until 40 odd days after the event. That she was questioned in breach of human rights laws and that the Italians never taped the conversation, required to by law. She was said to have pointed the finger at her boss (?) but has since said that she was asked as 'what do you think happened' but we'll never know since there is no recording.

It throws it into serious doubt the conviction and from what I have seen / read she's got a good chance of getting it.

Rather than people bitching about Americas involvement you might want to question how many other convictions in Italy are equally as wooly. This case probably wouldn't have been highlighted if they weren't foreign students.

Of course I'm happy to retract that last point if there is decent evidence to suggest it was her.




I'm no expert on this case but I reckon you would probably expect her fathers take on the case to lean towards there being a miscarriage of justice.

It seems odd that you complain of anti-americanism and yet seem happy to condemn Italian justice on the basis of such a partial witness.

[Woody1985]

I'm no expert on this case but I reckon you would probably expect her fathers take on the case to lean towards there being a miscarriage of justice.

It seems odd that you complain of anti-americanism and yet seem happy to condemn Italian justice on the basis of such a partial witness.

Of course you would expect that. That's why I said I hadn't seen the evidence involved in the case and was interested to get people's take on the thoughts rather than some drivel that is immediately obvious to anyone.

However, it would be a little silly for him to make those claims for them to turn out to be false. Yes, he could be manipulating the media but I haven't seen anything to counter his claims.

Based on the limited amount of evidence related information I've seen/read about it would seem less than concrete. That's indicated by some posts on here.

I've also said that the paragraph should perhaps be ignored should there be any concrete evidence on her conviction.

Rather than supporting or remaining nuetral on anti-americanism you could share some of your views on the case....

[number 27]

Of course you would expect that. That's why I said I hadn't seen the evidence involved in the case and was interested to get people's take on the thoughts rather than some drivel that is immediately obvious to anyone.

However, it would be a little silly for him to make those claims for them to turn out to be false. Yes, he could be manipulating the media but I haven't seen anything to counter his claims.

Based on the limited amount of evidence related information I've seen/read about it would seem less than concrete. That's indicated by some posts on here.

I've also said that the paragraph should perhaps be ignored should there be any concrete evidence on her conviction.

Rather than supporting or remaining nuetral on anti-americanism you could share some of your views on the case....


I guess my opinion is that unless you are prepared to actually obtain transcripts of all that has been said in court then it is difficult to come to any reliable conclusion. I am not sufficiently interested in the case to do that.

It just makes me slightly uncomfortable when a national system of justice is derided by the American media simply for not doing what they want (see also the Magrahi case).

[Woody1985]

I guess my opinion is that unless you are prepared to actually obtain transcripts of all that has been said in court then it is difficult to come to any reliable conclusion. I am not sufficiently interested in the case to do that.

It just makes me slightly uncomfortable when a national system of justice is derided by the American media simply for not doing what they want (see also the Magrahi case).

I suspect that a lot of the time there are key pieces of evidence to tie someone to a scene or some involvement. From what I understand that doesn't appear to be the case here.

Perhaps they're not doing what they want because they could be wrong and should rightly be questioned. If there was so much doubt about a crime that I was alleged to have committed with little evidence in a foreign land I'd hope that people back in the UK would at least attempt to help, unfortunately they'd probably have a go at our government and media. :yawn:

[number 27]

I suspect that a lot of the time there are key pieces of evidence to tie someone to a scene or some involvement. From what I understand that doesn't appear to be the case here.

Perhaps they're not doing what they want because they could be wrong and should rightly be questioned. If there was so much doubt about a crime that I was alleged to have committed with little evidence in a foreign land I'd hope that people back in the UK would at least attempt to help, unfortunately they'd probably have a go at our government and media. :yawn:


Of course you would expect help from your family and a degree of media support but surely this goes beyond that. She was tried under a system of justice which is not generally seen to be unfair, she will doubtless appeal and may well win that appeal.

The thing that concerns me is the possibility that this may be more than support and is ,in fact, an attempt to bully an independent judiciary.

[(((Fergus)))]

According to the Italian lawye/wifey on Newsnight the other night, Italian law is biased in favour of the prosecution in that the prosecution can present a scenario to the court and the defendent is required to disprove it. Failure to disprove doesn't always guarantee a conviction but in some cases it apparently does.

[hibsbollah]

According to the Italian lawye/wifey on Newsnight the other night, Italian law is biased in favour of the prosecution in that the prosecution can present a scenario to the court and the defendent is required to disprove it. Failure to disprove doesn't always guarantee a conviction but in some cases it apparently does.

I now have this image of Fergus watching an unholy trinity of Mussolini, Rumpole of the Bailey and Ma Broon on Newsnight:eek:

[(((Fergus)))]

I now have this image of Fergus watching an unholy trinity of Mussolini, Rumpole of the Bailey and Ma Broon on Newsnight:eek:

:greengrin I wasn't paying attention to the caption but she was some foreigner that knew about Italian courts :agree:

[Tinyclothes]

:greengrin I wasn't paying attention to the caption but she was some foreigner that knew about Italian courts :agree:

Back to the topic, she would definitely catch it.

[hibsbollah]

Back to the topic, she would definitely catch it.

Catch what, Knoxy's pox?:greengrin