Big fatties - should they pay for 2 seats on a plane?

[Steve-O]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2756008/Gigantic-man-is-photographed-on-a-plane.html

This photo suggests they should!! :shocked:

[Marabou Stork]

Heavens to Murgatroyd!

Imagine being stuck next to that.

[Sylar]

Unquestionably, though that won't make it any easier "when having to evacuate".

I recall attending a medically driven discussion once about the economics of obesity, and they don't half make life more costly for themselves via their continual overeating. They need more food than the average bear (any diet would need to be gradual, as extreme to extreme is dangerous), more materials to make clothes to fit them (which will cost more in purchase), more shower gel/soap etc (as they have a larger mass to cover), more fuel to transport them places (basic physics: more load=greater work=greater energy input requirements)...

No doubt the tubby gets would whinge about discrimination and violation of human rights, but (thyroidal conditions etc aside), being fat is a product of poor choices, be it inherint from parental habits as a kid, or purely eating all the wrong things, and doing nought to aleviate their "condition".

If I was forced to sit next to someone as large as that, and they had the gaul to take my armrest, I'd make an immediate motion to have them removed to the oversized luggage hold! Makes you wonder why there are carry on luggage weight restrictions per seat, when a single person next to you, could conceivably weigh more than you and your luggage combined!

[ArabHibee]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2756008/Gigantic-man-is-photographed-on-a-plane.html

This photo suggests they should!! :shocked:

He probably should. There are 3 fatties that sit near me at ER. They take up 4 seats between them. Fortunately, it looks like there is a spare seat beside them. I dread to think what will happen if that seat gets sold for say a Smeltc or Rankgers match. I pity the fool that gets that seat!

Or maybe they've bought the 4th seat between them. I wait in anticipation for the next OF match.................

[Calvin]

The should have to buy two seats and get charged excess baggage for the extra weight they bring to the plane. I hate how someone double or even triple my weight gets the same baggage allowance as me!

[steakbake]

Heavens to Murgatroyd!

Imagine being stuck next to that.

Haven't heard that for years!

Incidentally, I don't know if fatties should pay for 2 seats. I'd imagine not, because there is always a line past which someone could be considered with a disability and therefore it seems morally wrong to charge them to accommodate needs.

[sleeping giant]

Haven't heard that for years!

Incidentally, I don't know if fatties should pay for 2 seats. I'd imagine not, because there is always a line past which someone could be considered with a disability and therefore it seems morally wrong to charge them to accommodate needs.

Exactly !
Do wheelchair users get asked to pay for the assistance some may require getting on and off?

[steakbake]

Exactly !
Do wheelchair users get asked to pay for the assistance some may require getting on and off?

Hmm. Only war veterans and people with 'good' AIDS should be offered free help. And of course, cancers that weren't their own fault. :agree:

[Calvin]

I'd imagine not, because there is always a line past which someone could be considered with a disability and therefore it seems morally wrong to charge them to accommodate needs.

Obesity isn't really a disability IMO as it's possible to reverse it of your own volition - unless there is some medical reason then fair enough and you can send your certificate to the airline and get charged for just the one seat.

[steakbake]

Obesity isn't really a disability IMO as it's possible to reverse it of your own volition - unless there is some medical reason then fair enough and you can send your certificate to the airline and get charged for just the one seat.

I don't disagree. The reason for obesity is putting more fuel in your piehole than your body burns.

[sleeping giant]

Obesity isn't really a disability IMO as it's possible to reverse it of your own volition - unless there is some medical reason then fair enough and you can send your certificate to the airline and get charged for just the one seat.

What about little people ? Should they only pay half ?

[Sylar]

What about little people ? Should they only pay half ?

Do little people chose to be little, or engage in activities which make them small?

[sleeping giant]

Do little people chose to be little, or engage in activities which make them small?

:greengrin:top marks

I think you'll find that most fat folk don't choose to be fat !!

[Calvin]

I don't think that people consciously choose to be fat but they have the power not to be.

Little people don't have any opportunity to be taller.

[Twa Cairpets]

What about little people ? Should they only pay half ?

Pay half the baggage allowance for their little doll-sized clothes, but pay a hefty "Wee-man aggression" tax, which would balance it out.

[sleeping giant]

Pay half the baggage allowance for their little doll-sized clothes, but pay a hefty "Wee-man aggression" tax, which would balance it out.

:hilarious

[Calvin]

Pay half the baggage allowance for their little doll-sized clothes, but pay a hefty "Wee-man aggression" tax, which would balance it out.

:faf:

[sleeping giant]

I don't think that people consciously choose to be fat but they have the power not to be.

Little people don't have any opportunity to be taller.

Cool mate :cool2:

Folk are just folk to me ! Fat ,thin , ugly , handsome , short , tall , black , white , yellow and brown.
The big guy on the plane would be like everyone else and have a story to tell.
I worked beside a massive guy like that years ago . He was huge and so unhappy.
He started getting fat at 14 and stopped going outside with pals at about 18.
After knowing him a while , you could tell that his social skills hadn't really developed very well and sometimes it was like speaking to a bairn.
He knew he was fat. He thought he was hidious. He had never slept with a woman/man. He knew he smelled.

He wouldnt have been able to make the choice to be thin as he was in a cycle due to living with is fat mum and dad and fat sister.
He had nothing. He would go home from work and lie in his bed as he had no mates that would be seen with him.
He'll be about 50 now if he is still alive.

I felt for that guy:boo hoo:

[Hibbyradge]

I don't believe that would be allowed.

Where is his seatbelt?

[sleeping giant]

I don't believe that would be allowed.

Where is his seatbelt?



You get the big orange seatbelts for large people on Aircraft:agree:
It extends the existing one.

[Hibbyradge]

You get the big orange seatbelts for large people on Aircraft:agree:
It extends the existing one.

Yes, but he doesn't have one on.

Edit: Maybe thay haven't given it yet.

Or maybe he was peckish.

[sleeping giant]

Yes, but he doesn't have one on.

Might have been midflight :dunno:

[Jack]

A friend of mine once met Robbie Coltrane, big guy!, at an airport.

He had voluntarily bought two tickets for the journey.

Fortunately for him he was able to get two seats together!!!

Personally I think people who are medically classed as obese, maybe a wee bit more, for no good medical reason, should pay a supplement. I also don’t think they should be allowed on public transport of any sort during the rush hour. I once missed my stop because I couldn’t get passed someone who was XXXXXL!


Does anyone know how they wipe their bums? It always seem to me their arms/hands wouldn’t reach :dunno:


And what's with the sizes for club merchandise? :confused:

I’m an XL for all my tops type stuff everywhere, sometimes (not often) just L, but a XXXL for Hibs tops in the shop! :grr:

[speedy_gonzales]

Does anyone know how they wipe their bums? It always seem to me their arms/hands wouldn’t reach :dunno:

Never paid much thought to it, but I assume they wipe like a lady, i.e up & under stylee through the crotch area.

I can feel my lunch coming back on me now!!

[Part/Time Supporter]

Haven't heard that for years!

Incidentally, I don't know if fatties should pay for 2 seats. I'd imagine not, because there is always a line past which someone could be considered with a disability and therefore it seems morally wrong to charge them to accommodate needs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King-Size_Homer

[Dashing Bob S]

Cool mate :cool2:

Folk are just folk to me ! Fat ,thin , ugly , handsome , short , tall , black , white , yellow and brown.
The big guy on the plane would be like everyone else and have a story to tell.
I worked beside a massive guy like that years ago . He was huge and so unhappy.
He started getting fat at 14 and stopped going outside with pals at about 18.
After knowing him a while , you could tell that his social skills hadn't really developed very well and sometimes it was like speaking to a bairn.
He knew he was fat. He thought he was hidious. He had never slept with a woman/man. He knew he smelled.

He wouldnt have been able to make the choice to be thin as he was in a cycle due to living with is fat mum and dad and fat sister.
He had nothing. He would go home from work and lie in his bed as he had no mates that would be seen with him.
He'll be about 50 now if he is still alive.

I felt for that guy:boo hoo:

But surely he still had his season ticket for the Wheatfield?

[Andy74]

When other people use up what little space you already get on a plane its not fair, I get nervous seeing the big folk get on up until they walk right past the spare seat next to me. It really ruins your journey if you have them sat nex to you and sprawling all over your 'space'.

On that basis they should pay more.

[McHibby]

The simple fact is, if anyone is taking up two seats then they should pay for them. I've heard of musicians paying for an extra seat to take an instrument on board.

Only a very tiny percentage of the population have disorders that cause obesity, the rest of them have ate themselves fat and don't deserve to have their behaviour excused by being called disabled. :grr:

[HibsMax]

You should pay for the seats you occupy.

And, in a completely fair system, you should pay by your weight since that's what makes the difference to your affect on the cost of the flight. It doesn't matter how big you are, it matters how heavy you are (in terms of fuel).

But I can't see people agreeing to pay by the pound. Apart from anything else, how would you regulate it? Have people weigh in like before a boxing match? LOL.

[Ants]

You should pay for the seats you occupy.

And, in a completely fair system, you should pay by your weight since that's what makes the difference to your affect on the cost of the flight. It doesn't matter how big you are, it matters how heavy you are (in terms of fuel).

But I can't see people agreeing to pay by the pound. Apart from anything else, how would you regulate it? Have people weigh in like before a boxing match? LOL.

Weigh the person and their luggage, its the only fair way.

Its upto the check-in assistant if they require an additional seat, but also give them the option to request one prior to just turning up at the airport.

[Lucius Apuleius]

I once had the joy of flying from Panama City to Port au Prince in Haiti. I used to have the theory in life that the plane would not leave without me so never saw the point in standing in the queu to get on and just waited till everybody else was boarded. This was one of the few times in my life I have actually seen them take live chickens etc on board with them. Anyway, I get on the plane and make my way to my seat to be confronted with two females about the same size as that guy, one on the aisle seat and one at the window. No other seats left on the plane and two days before the next direct flight, I had to squeeze between them. I jest not when I say I literally had to lift parts of their bellies out the way so I could get into the seat. I seem to recall it was only a couple of hour flight but I am afraid memories have been supressed. GT's G&Ts were not easy to drink!!!

[New Corrie]

Cool mate :cool2:

Folk are just folk to me ! Fat ,thin , ugly , handsome , short , tall , black , white , yellow and brown.
The big guy on the plane would be like everyone else and have a story to tell.
I worked beside a massive guy like that years ago . He was huge and so unhappy.
He started getting fat at 14 and stopped going outside with pals at about 18.
After knowing him a while , you could tell that his social skills hadn't really developed very well and sometimes it was like speaking to a bairn.
He knew he was fat. He thought he was hidious. He had never slept with a woman/man. He knew he smelled.

He wouldnt have been able to make the choice to be thin as he was in a cycle due to living with is fat mum and dad and fat sister.
He had nothing. He would go home from work and lie in his bed as he had no mates that would be seen with him.
He'll be about 50 now if he is still alive.

I felt for that guy:boo hoo:

Apart from that was everything ok?

[New Corrie]

A friend of mine once met Robbie Coltrane, big guy!, at an airport.

He had voluntarily bought two tickets for the journey.

Fortunately for him he was able to get two seats together!!!

Personally I think people who are medically classed as obese, maybe a wee bit more, for no good medical reason, should pay a supplement. I also don’t think they should be allowed on public transport of any sort during the rush hour. I once missed my stop because I couldn’t get passed someone who was XXXXXL!


Does anyone know how they wipe their bums? It always seem to me their arms/hands wouldn’t reach :dunno:


And what's with the sizes for club merchandise? :confused:

I’m an XL for all my tops type stuff everywhere, sometimes (not often) just L, but a XXXL for Hibs tops in the shop! :grr:


They don't, the Local authority provide a 24 hour "anal cleansing co ordinator" to do that for them.

[sleeping giant]

Apart from that was everything ok?

:greengrin

He was a Bluenose though :greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

Unquestionably, though that won't make it any easier "when having to evacuate".

I recall attending a medically driven discussion once about the economics of obesity, and they don't half make life more costly for themselves via their continual overeating. They need more food than the average bear (any diet would need to be gradual, as extreme to extreme is dangerous), more materials to make clothes to fit them (which will cost more in purchase), more shower gel/soap etc (as they have a larger mass to cover), more fuel to transport them places (basic physics: more load=greater work=greater energy input requirements)...

No doubt the tubby gets would whinge about discrimination and violation of human rights, but (thyroidal conditions etc aside), being fat is a product of poor choices, be it inherint from parental habits as a kid, or purely eating all the wrong things, and doing nought to aleviate their "condition".

If I was forced to sit next to someone as large as that, and they had the gaul to take my armrest, I'd make an immediate motion to have them removed to the oversized luggage hold! Makes you wonder why there are carry on luggage weight restrictions per seat, when a single person next to you, could conceivably weigh more than you and your luggage combined!

I've heard it's glandular, they've got a gland that makes them greedy *******s.

Would a medically driven discussion see eating disorders as choices? How about depression or the side effects of certain medications? :cool2:

Personally I think it's usually greed or laziness, but we have to acknowledge that some people have no control.

[--------]

Haven't heard that for years!

Snagglepuss, IIRC.

Never mind the physical reasons for the condition - if someone occupies two seats, they should be paying for two seats. Otherwise someone else ends up getting a lot less space than they need to be comfortable during their flight.

The same applies to seats at football matches, in theatres and cinemas, on buses and trains, whatever. I have the right NOT to be partially sat on by the person next to me, whatever the reason for that person's obesity.

Why should I or anyone else risk contracting Deep Vein Thrombosis because my blood can't circulate because Hippopotamus Woman in the next seat's sitting on my left leg? :cool2:

[New Corrie]

:greengrin

He was a Bluenose though :greengrin


:tee hee:

[Killiehibbie]

I've heard it's glandular, they've got a gland that makes them greedy *******s.

Would a medically driven discussion see eating disorders as choices? How about depression or the side effects of certain medications? :cool2:

Personally I think it's usually greed or laziness, but we have to acknowledge that some people have no control.

If drug addicts get state help to feed their addictions should food addicts not get pie suppers and cream soda on the NHS?

[Phil D. Rolls]

If drug addicts get state help to feed their addictions should food addicts not get pie suppers and cream soda on the NHS?

Without a doubt, providing it a) keeps them from stealing to sustain their addiction and b) it does nothing to cure the underlying problem.

Heroin addicts get Methadone to keep them from stealing to feed their addiction. Fatties should be given a similar alternative such as porridge. It would fill them up without giving any real pleasure.

It's immoral to enjoy your addictions.

[HibsMax]

Just to try and make this not all about fat people, which I think is a little bit too focused and unfair. How about this. Should a 5', 95lb woman pay the same as a 6'3", 250lb man? For the sake of this argument, let's assume that both individuals are in peak physical condition.

To be honest this has nothing to do with a person's health....it's really just about their weight.

You can't weigh people at the same time as you weigh their luggage, people won't stand for that unless it's done in some very private, anonymous fashion. Also, it will make the check-in process even longer and who wants that?

Should skinny people get a discount?

And how much does a person's weight actually matter? I initially said that a person's weight is what affects the fuel usage but I'm having second thoughts about the actual impact. If passengers' weight was that significant then wouldn't they need to know that anyway, for the sake of stability? Imagine if one side of the plane was full of big people, would the plane fly around in circles? LOL.

[Killiehibbie]

Without a doubt, providing it a) keeps them from stealing to sustain their addiction and b) it does nothing to cure the underlying problem.

Heroin addicts get Methadone to keep them from stealing to feed their addiction. Fatties should be given a similar alternative such as porridge. It would fill them up without giving any real pleasure.

It's immoral to enjoy your addictions.

You want to jail them for being GB's? NHS must provide them with sustenance with a fat or sugar content just as unhealthy as their normal diet none of that low fat rubbish.:grr:

[--------]

Just to try and make this not all about fat people, which I think is a little bit too focused and unfair. How about this. Should a 5', 95lb woman pay the same as a 6'3", 250lb man? For the sake of this argument, let's assume that both individuals are in peak physical condition.

To be honest this has nothing to do with a person's health....it's really just about their weight.

You can't weigh people at the same time as you weigh their luggage, people won't stand for that unless it's done in some very private, anonymous fashion. Also, it will make the check-in process even longer and who wants that?

Should skinny people get a discount?

And how much does a person's weight actually matter? I initially said that a person's weight is what affects the fuel usage but I'm having second thoughts about the actual impact. If passengers' weight was that significant then wouldn't they need to know that anyway, for the sake of stability? Imagine if one side of the plane was full of big people, would the plane fly around in circles? LOL.


We lived in the islands for a while, and the planes in and out were DH Twin Otters. Everyone WAS weighed, because where the big guys sat DID affect the stability of the aircraft.

I really don't care whether the airline charges the Supersize Club more than other people. But for the sake of the people who have to sit beside them, there should be provision for them to have more space. Surcharges are up to the carrier, IMO.

I don't fly, but I do go to football matches, cinemas and theatres, and i travel on trains and buses. I'm entitled NOT to be half-smothered by the person who sits next to me.

[HibsMax]

We lived in the islands for a while, and the planes in and out were DH Twin Otters. Everyone WAS weighed, because where the big guys sat DID affect the stability of the aircraft.

I really don't care whether the airline charges the Supersize Club more than other people. But for the sake of the people who have to sit beside them, there should be provision for them to have more space. Surcharges are up to the carrier, IMO.

I don't fly, but I do go to football matches, cinemas and theatres, and i travel on trains and buses. I'm entitled NOT to be half-smothered by the person who sits next to me.

I agree 100%. Space is a premium and in a lot of cases even average-sized people are crammed in together. It's all about the bottom line.

I know what you mean about the smaller planes. My wife and I flew over the Grand Canyon in a 12-seater and they needed everyone's weight. That was the most interesting flight I've ever had. I gained a whole new respect for flying in a jumbo jet after being in one of those little things. :)

[--------]

I agree 100%. Space is a premium and in a lot of cases even average-sized people are crammed in together. It's all about the bottom line.

I know what you mean about the smaller planes. My wife and I flew over the Grand Canyon in a 12-seater and they needed everyone's weight. That was the most interesting flight I've ever had. I gained a whole new respect for flying in a jumbo jet after being in one of those little things. :)


Try an islander over the Pentland Firth in February - snow-squalls, white-outs, and me crammed right at the back of the plane with two lardasses jammed in between me and the door.... :worried:

:sick:

[Hibrandenburg]

If a chubby goes into a bakers and needs two pies instead of one, then he'll be expected to pay for both. Why should it be different if he needs two seats instead of one?

[GlesgaeHibby]

Just to try and make this not all about fat people, which I think is a little bit too focused and unfair. How about this. Should a 5', 95lb woman pay the same as a 6'3", 250lb man? For the sake of this argument, let's assume that both individuals are in peak physical condition.

To be honest this has nothing to do with a person's health....it's really just about their weight.

You can't weigh people at the same time as you weigh their luggage, people won't stand for that unless it's done in some very private, anonymous fashion. Also, it will make the check-in process even longer and who wants that?

Should skinny people get a discount?

And how much does a person's weight actually matter? I initially said that a person's weight is what affects the fuel usage but I'm having second thoughts about the actual impact. If passengers' weight was that significant then wouldn't they need to know that anyway, for the sake of stability? Imagine if one side of the plane was full of big people, would the plane fly around in circles? LOL.

That's why BMI (Body Mass Index) was introduced.

That would give a fairer representation of classifying people into over/underweight/average.

[Killiehibbie]

That's why BMI (Body Mass Index) was introduced.

That would give a fairer representation of classifying people into over/underweight/average.

BMI is not an indication of how fat people are. You need to measure body fat for that.

[Phil D. Rolls]

That's why BMI (Body Mass Index) was introduced.

That would give a fairer representation of classifying people into over/underweight/average.

Most of the Scotland rugby team would be chronically obese using the BMI. It's a good starting point, but it can't be followed slavishly.

[--------]

This isn't about BMI or weight even.

It's about the width of their bahookies and whether they 'beep' when they turn round.

If your ass takes up two seats, you should really pay for two seats.

[Andy74]

Most of the Scotland rugby team would be chronically obese using the BMI. It's a good starting point, but it can't be followed slavishly.

To be fair most will be pretty soon after they stop playing.