Iraq enquiry...

[steakbake]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8380139.stm

The big boy done it and we couldn't stop him.

[Betty Boop]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8380139.stm

The big boy done it and we couldn't stop him.

He told the panel he had received "new" instructions in March 2002 - just weeks before the meeting between Mr Blair and President Bush - from Sir David Manning, the prime minister's foreign policy's adviser, about the UK's position over Iraq.
Downing Street's believed that with the Iraq Liberation Act and "the fact that 9/11 had happened" it was "a complete waste of time" to say that the UK cannot support regime change, said Sir Christopher."

"Regime change", I thought it was weapons of mass destruction, that was given as the reason the UK went to war? This enquiry will be a whitewash from start to finish, I can't wait till Bliar gives evidence.

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He told the panel he had received "new" instructions in March 2002 - just weeks before the meeting between Mr Blair and President Bush - from Sir David Manning, the prime minister's foreign policy's adviser, about the UK's position over Iraq.
Downing Street's believed that with the Iraq Liberation Act and "the fact that 9/11 had happened" it was "a complete waste of time" to say that the UK cannot support regime change, said Sir Christopher."

"Regime change", I thought it was weapons of mass destruction, that was given as the reason the UK went to war? This enquiry will be a whitewash from start to finish, I can't wait till Bliar gives evidence.


Call me cynical, but I won't be at all surprised if Bliar doesn't end up testifying in private - 'for reasons of national security'.....

[hibsbollah]

It was by turns entertaining and disgusting watching Question Time tonight-Lord Falconer was clearly told to go and defend his old pals and defend the indefensible tonight on the Iraq war...clearly a man with no moral standards whatsoever.

And what happened to having a breadth of opinion? We had rabid rightwing dailymail columnist melanie philips, lord falconer, a tory from the right wing of their party david davis, and the token scot, nicola sturgeon. oh, and a comedian (who was probably the most insightful and the panel, depressingly).

I'm sure Guy Fawkes had the right idea sometimes:timebomb:

I accept ive gone somewhat offtopic:rolleyes:

[LiverpoolHibs]

It was by turns entertaining and disgusting watching Question Time tonight-Lord Falconer was clearly told to go and defend his old pals and defend the indefensible tonight on the Iraq war...clearly a man with no moral standards whatsoever.

And what happened to having a breadth of opinion? We had rabid rightwing dailymail columnist melanie philips, lord falconer, a tory from the right wing of their party david davis, and the token scot, nicola sturgeon. oh, and a comedian (who was probably the most insightful and the panel, depressingly).

I'm sure Guy Fawkes had the right idea sometimes:timebomb:

I accept ive gone somewhat offtopic:rolleyes:

The level of all-consuming hatred she manages to bring out in me is actually a bit of a worry.

[GhostofBolivar]

Call me cynical, but I won't be at all surprised if Bliar doesn't end up testifying in private - 'for reasons of national security'.....

Blair: I vaz onlee obeyink der orders off mein glorious Fuh- I am meanink leader - President off der Americas, George Bush.

[Calvin]

The level of all-consuming hatred she manages to bring out in me is actually a bit of a worry.

I was experiencing the same feeling. I suppose the only thing worse than Daily Mail readers must be the writers!

[Dashing Bob S]

I was experiencing the same feeling. I suppose the only thing worse than Daily Mail readers must be the writers!

Yes, perhaps the most odious thing about her transformation from hand-wringing Guardian liberal, to Mail crypto-fascist is the latent insincerity of it all. It seems less a 'road to Damascus' conversation as a shallow, opportunistic careerist move. If someone's value system can be so easily overturned and dismantled, you have to doubt their substance and sincerity as a person.

[Betty Boop]

Sir Jeremy Greenstock is giving evidence now. He said that Britain and America were discussing war in February 2002, and that both leaders were well aware that Saddam had no nuclear weapons before the invasion in 2003. Pretty damning comments from Greenstock, also said that Russia was the only member of the security council not to be carried along with the rest, and were not be prepared to be rolled over by the US.

[LiverpoolHibs]

I was experiencing the same feeling. I suppose the only thing worse than Daily Mail readers must be the writers!


Yes, perhaps the most odious thing about her transformation from hand-wringing Guardian liberal, to Mail crypto-fascist is the latent insincerity of it all. It seems less a 'road to Damascus' conversation as a shallow, opportunistic careerist move. If someone's value system can be so easily overturned and dismantled, you have to doubt their substance and sincerity as a person.

I'm glad I'm not alone, she really is one of the vilest people I've ever come across (unashamably homophopic and racist, levels of apologism for Israel that FalkirkHibee couldn't get close to) coupled with also being a complete ****ing idiot (claiming that Barack Obama is a 'revolutionary Marxist' - if only!, global warming denial, denial of evolution and support of creationism, a point-blank refusal to accept that there's no link between the MMR jab and autism). That's never a good combination.

[Sir David Gray]

I'm glad I'm not alone, she really is one of the vilest people I've ever come across (unashamably homophopic and racist, levels of apologism for Israel that FalkirkHibee couldn't get close to) coupled with also being a complete ****ing idiot (claiming that Barack Obama is a 'revolutionary Marxist' - if only!, global warming denial, denial of evolution and support of creationism, a point-blank refusal to accept that there's no link between the MMR jab and autism). That's never a good combination.

There's actually someone that you find less appealing than me!?

I don't know whether that's a good or a bad thing! :greengrin

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I'm glad I'm not alone, she really is one of the vilest people I've ever come across (unashamably homophopic and racist, levels of apologism for Israel that FalkirkHibee couldn't get close to) coupled with also being a complete ****ing idiot (claiming that Barack Obama is a 'revolutionary Marxist' - if only!, global warming denial, denial of evolution and support of creationism, a point-blank refusal to accept that there's no link between the MMR jab and autism). That's never a good combination.



I take it you're not entirely taken with the lady, then, LH? :devil:


But to go from the Grauniad to the Dalai Limy doesn't speak well for her.

[Dashing Bob S]

I'm glad I'm not alone, she really is one of the vilest people I've ever come across (unashamably homophopic and racist, levels of apologism for Israel that FalkirkHibee couldn't get close to) coupled with also being a complete ****ing idiot (claiming that Barack Obama is a 'revolutionary Marxist' - if only!, global warming denial, denial of evolution and support of creationism, a point-blank refusal to accept that there's no link between the MMR jab and autism). That's never a good combination.

Yes, such a vile and tedious specimen.

[Betty Boop]

Doctors demand inquest to 'prove Dr David Kelly was murdered'
Six eminent doctors have launched a legal action to reopen the inquest into the death of Dr David Kelly in an attempt to prove he was murdered.

They plan to publish a report which they claim proves the weapons expert did not commit suicide, as the Hutton Report decided, and have hired lawyers to call on Baroness Scotland, the Attorney General, and the coroner Nicholas Gardiner to re-examine the circumstances of his death.
The doctors are asking for permission to go to the High Court to reopen the inquest on the grounds that it was improperly suspended.

Dr Kelly was found dead near his Oxfordshire home in 2003, days after he was exposed as the source of a story that Tony Blair's government "sexed-up" its dossier on Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction to justify invading Iraq.
In a phone conversation after he was outed as the source Dr Kelly said he wouldn't be surprised "if my body was found in the woods".
The inquest into Dr Kelly's death was suspended before it could begin by order of the then Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer, a former flatmate of Mr Blair.
He used the Coroners Act to designate the Hutton Inquiry as "fulfilling the function of an inquest".
The six doctors claim that the original inquest was never formally closed, and a proper inquiry should now be held.

They are Michael Powers, a QC and former coroner; trauma surgeon David Halpin; Andrew Rouse, an epidemiologist who established that deaths from cutting the ulnar artery – as claimed in Dr Kelly's case – are extremely rare; Martin Birnstingl, another surgeon; plus Stephen Frost and Chris Burns-Cox.
Lord Hutton concluded that Dr Kelly killed himself by severing an ulnar artery in his left wrist after taking an overdose of prescription painkillers.
However, he was criticised for glossing over controversies about the causes of death and instead concentrating on the political row between Downing Street and the BBC, which broke the story.
Dr Kelly's death certificate states that he died of a haemorrhage, but the results of a post mortem examination have never been made public.
The doctors tried to persuade the coroner to reopen his inquest in 2004 but were rejected because they were not judged to be "properly interested persons". However, now they have hired human rights lawyers Leigh Day & Co to challenge the use of the Coroners Act to close the inquest.
A source close to the doctors told The Daily Mail: "Lord Falconer is on record saying this is a "useful little law" but it was set up to avoid multiple inquests in cases where there were multiple deaths.
"It has been used for victims of train crashes and the Harold Shipman case but Dr Kelly's was not a multiple death.

"We argue that that's an abuse of due process. The lawyers have sent the letters this week.
"We have concentrated on the finding on the death certificate that the primary cause of death was a haemorrhage. We are spelling out why he could not have died from a cut to the small ulnar artery."

[Woody1985]

Is there even a remote chance that we can get Blair tried for war crimes? I suspect not.

[McIntosh]

Is there even a remote chance that we can get Blair tried for war crimes? I suspect not.

Well in a post Union settlement anything is possible, I have a strong feeling that Blair will never 'shake' this off, thankfully.

I would like every MP who voted for this deed tried as well, I have to admit a particular prejudice against the new Labour apologists. I would like to see the ultimate sanction to be applied to those convicted - a firing squad.

They betrayed the British people there is only one sentence appropriate.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Well in a post Union settlement anything is possible, I have a strong feeling that Blair will never 'shake' this off, thankfully.

I would like every MP who voted for this deed tried as well, I have to admit a particular prejudice against the new Labour apologists. I would like to see the ultimate sanction to be applied to those convicted - a firing squad.

They betrayed the British people there is only one sentence appropriate.

Is it...

Liar liar your tongues on fire. (?)

[McIntosh]

Is it...

Liar liar your tongues on fire. (?)


In my book, people elected or unelected who lie to the people and the consequence of their deceit are the deaths of hundreds of thousands deserve nothing less.