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smurf
26-10-2009, 01:27 PM
I think HBOS would accept any reasonable offer.

RB is our obvious weak spot. Problem solved.:greengrin

cwilliamson85
26-10-2009, 01:28 PM
we could not afford his wages now he has had a taste of the big £££

Oscar T Grouch
26-10-2009, 01:30 PM
Dinae want to be a pedant but I believe it's Lloyds TSB that are running der hun at the moment :greengrin

smurf
26-10-2009, 01:31 PM
we could not afford his wages now he has had a taste of the big £££

Same was said of the likes of Riordan, Stokes & Millar.:wink:

The_Sauz
26-10-2009, 01:31 PM
Good in the midfield, but murder at RB :agree:

zlatan
26-10-2009, 01:33 PM
It would be highly amusing if we offered them 50k with 50 monthly instalments of 1k.

But I'm sure Rod isn't that childish and wouldn't enjoy that one bit, no siree bob...

smurf
26-10-2009, 01:34 PM
Dinae want to be a pedant but I believe it's Lloyds TSB that are running der hun at the moment :greengrin

No it's HBOS but HBOS are owned by Lloyds TSB.... But we the taxpayer own Lloyds TSB.

However, David Murray still owns the Huns just that he's given up the running of the show to the British Taxpayer.

The now really are The People. Owned by the People for the People to laugh at.

All rather confusing....

sambajustice
26-10-2009, 01:36 PM
I think HBOS would accept any reasonable offer.

RB is our obvious weak spot. Problem solved.:greengrin

He's not Hibs Class anymore!

Danderhall Hibs
26-10-2009, 01:52 PM
Good in the midfield, but murder at RB :agree:

I can only remember him playing in midfield once for Hibs? It wasn't a great game either...

magnificent_seven
26-10-2009, 01:56 PM
I can only remember him playing in midfield once for Hibs? It wasn't a great game either...

SC semi vs Yams?

Dreadful day.

matty_f
26-10-2009, 01:57 PM
I can only remember him playing in midfield once for Hibs? It wasn't a great game either...

same here. would have him back in a second though, thought he was very underrated while he was here.

Big Frank
26-10-2009, 01:57 PM
His positional sense is dreadful.

chorley_fm
26-10-2009, 01:59 PM
Good in the midfield, but murder at RB :agree:


wrong

he played most of his games at hibs at right back and did a really good job

this notion thats he's better in midfield is a fallacy

Danderhall Hibs
26-10-2009, 02:01 PM
SC semi vs Yams?

Dreadful day.

It's the only time I can remember him play there - although I see the "he's a midfielder" myth is still alive and kicking!


same here. would have him back in a second though, thought he was very underrated while he was here.

He was under-rated while at Hibs, I think he still is. Maybe he was outshone by Murphy? We don't really appreciate our home-grown guys, did we ever have a song for KT, Brown, GOC, Riordan, Whittaker? Don't think so but as soon as Boozy and Zemamma signed they were allocated one.

Hibercelona
26-10-2009, 02:06 PM
Most of the Rangers fans i've spoken to (used a weegie translator) think Whittaker is dreadful.

Would have him back here. :agree:

On the same note... why is it that when any of our players move to the OF, they end up turning out gash? :confused:

Ritchie
26-10-2009, 02:52 PM
id have him back but id rather Kevin McCannavaro got himself fit!

basehibby
26-10-2009, 02:58 PM
Whitts is a star going forward - has always had weaknesses in his defensive game but you rarely get everything in a player.

The huns that are saying he is dreadful must have their eyes shut a lot of the time - good example - who was it that played the initial cross for Rankgers' goal on Saturday?????

He's an excellent attacking full back who can play on either side of defence or in midfield - we couldn't afford to bring him back right now if we wanted to IMO. If the huns flog him it will be to an EPL side.

Wilson
26-10-2009, 03:23 PM
He's an excellent attacking full back who can play on either side of defence or in midfield - we couldn't afford to bring him back right now if we wanted to IMO. If the huns flog him it will be to an EPL side.

I agree with the sentiment but I reckon one of the better championship sides is more likely than the EPL.

rightwinger
26-10-2009, 03:27 PM
I don't think Whittaker is that good a player to be honest.

He's decent going forward but his end product is often erratic. He's also very predictable and always seems to cut inside instead of taking his man on and getting to the byline. Defensively he's poor and that's been proven time and again.

Whittaker's gone to Rangers - a bigger club in the SPL. On paper, therefore, he's getting it easier every week and should be showing it. He isn't. Next to the likes of Mendes, Davis, Bougherra etc he should be looking a really good player but he's not. He looks like the same overrated, unreliable, one-footed luxury he did when he played with us.

That's not to say he wasn't a good player for us, but he certainly wasn't as good as Murphy and worth nowhere near 2 million.

If you want to know why the OF are struggling you need only look at their signing policy in recent years. Its largely been pay over the odds for players from other SPL clubs. Sorry, but how are you going to get better by signing a wealth of players from clubs you are already much stronger than?

Without the green-tinted specs and scapegoats like Stephen Glass to cover for them, players like Thomson, Brown and Whittaker are now not quite so good as we remember. Definitely not worth the combined £8.5m we got for them. The same goes for the likes of Naismith. Would Rangers give those players back for the £6m they spent on them?! Hang on while I phone the bank for an answer. Its ironic that the OF missed out on the one player we didn't get such a good deal on - David Murphy - I think he'd have a been a great buy for either at £1.5m.

I know he's still learning, but I'd stick with Wotherspoon as our right back for now. I've also wondered what Hogg might be like there. Like many, I have my doubts about him as a CB, and would rather see Murray there with Bamba, but - with mistakes generally less costly - RB may be a position that suits him.

basehibby
26-10-2009, 03:46 PM
I don't think Whittaker is that good a player to be honest.

He's decent going forward but his end product is often erratic. He's also very predictable and always seems to cut inside instead of taking his man on and getting to the byline. Defensively he's poor and that's been proven time and again.

Whittaker's gone to Rangers - a bigger club in the SPL. On paper, therefore, he's getting it easier every week and should be showing it. He isn't. Next to the likes of Mendes, Davis, Bougherra etc he should be looking a really good player but he's not. He looks like the same overrated, unreliable, one-footed luxury he did when he played with us.

That's not to say he wasn't a good player for us, but he certainly wasn't as good as Murphy and worth nowhere near 2 million.

If you want to know why the OF are struggling you need only look at their signing policy in recent years. Its largely been pay over the odds for players from other SPL clubs. Sorry, but how are you going to get better by signing a wealth of players from clubs you are already much stronger than?

Without the green-tinted specs and scapegoats like Stephen Glass to cover for them, players like Thomson, Brown and Whittaker are now not quite so good as we remember. Definitely not worth the combined £8.5m we got for them. The same goes for the likes of Naismith. Would Rangers give those players back for the £6m they spent on them?! Hang on while I phone the bank for an answer. Its ironic that the OF missed out on the one player we didn't get such a good deal on - David Murphy - I think he'd have a been a great buy for either at £1.5m.

I know he's still learning, but I'd stick with Wotherspoon as our right back for now. I've also wondered what Hogg might be like there. Like many, I have my doubts about him as a CB, and would rather see Murray there with Bamba, but - with mistakes generally less costly - RB may be a position that suits him.

Opinions eh?!?
The first bit in bold is a shower of Nade IMO - Whittaker's end product has improved markedly in the last couple of years and he was very much UNDER-rated by many Hibbies anyway IMO (obviously including yourself). It's acknowledged that he's not the best defensive fullback, but I thought £2M was a steal for him and I still hold that opinion (Alan Hutton for example went to Spurs for £8M and he's no great shakes defensively either).

I also disagree with the second bold bit - a player is worth as much as the buyer is willing to pay and if the OF get less back than they paid out for these players it would only be because everybody knows they're skint right now and need the money combined with the effects of the recession on prospective buyers (or in Thomson's case because of persistant injury problems). All 3 of the players mentioned are regular Scotland squad members when available now and that will NOT have had a negative effect on their value.

Alex Trager
26-10-2009, 03:55 PM
I've also wondered what Hogg might be like there. Like many, I have my doubts about him as a CB, and would rather see Murray there with Bamba, but - with mistakes generally less costly - RB may be a position that suits him.

Hogg was pushed out onto to the right when stevenson come on on saturday , as i recall.....

hibbie02
26-10-2009, 04:02 PM
I've also wondered what Hogg might be like there. Like many, I have my doubts about him as a CB, and would rather see Murray there with Bamba, but - with mistakes generally less costly - RB may be a position that suits him.

Hogg was pushed out onto to the right when stevenson come on on saturday , as i recall.....

Is it just me............???????? :lurksub:

TornadoHibby
26-10-2009, 04:04 PM
Same was said of the likes of Riordan, Stokes & Millar.:wink:

Just saw him getting into a silver "08" plate one of these (http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/en2/new_cars/tt/ttrs.html) in Cockburn Street around an hour or so ago! :wink:

Clearly not short of cash as these cars are not affordable for most people! :cool2:

Wilson
26-10-2009, 04:08 PM
Clearly not short of cash as these cars are not affordable for most people! :cool2:

I couldn't afford to look at the picture! Peg selling is grim during the downturn :boo hoo:

TheBall'sRound
26-10-2009, 04:08 PM
I've also wondered what Hogg might be like there. Like many, I have my doubts about him as a CB, and would rather see Murray there with Bamba, but - with mistakes generally less costly - RB may be a position that suits him.

Hogg was pushed out onto to the right when stevenson come on on saturday , as i recall.....

That substitution was made at a stage of the game where we were reeling - looked very slack and sluggish at the back. I thought Murray coming into the middle made a big difference though Hogg didn't really do much in the right back position.

I think Hogg would be an ideal right back against the likes of Lafferty and other big huddies, however I wouldn't fancy him against O'Brien of Motherwell or Swanson of United or McGeady of Celtic or... :blah::blah:

We desperately need a centre half for when Rambo goes to the African Nations - it will be interesting to see if Yogi brings someone else in and what the score will be after Bamba comes back.

Andy74
26-10-2009, 04:18 PM
Dinae want to be a pedant but I believe it's Lloyds TSB that are running der hun at the moment :greengrin

Lloyds Banking Group even?

jacomo
26-10-2009, 04:50 PM
Most of the Rangers fans i've spoken to (used a weegie translator) think Whittaker is dreadful.

Would have him back here. :agree:

On the same note... why is it that when any of our players move to the OF, they end up turning out gash? :confused:

Well, he had a part in Boyd's goal at the weekend and has looked decent every time I've seen him play for Rangers.

I think perhaps that Scottish football crowds are suspicious of a defender who is more comfortable with the ball at his feet than charging into tackles, judging by the views on here.

I'd welcome him right back into the team, without a moment's hesitation. In fact, him and Wotherspoon on the right would be very tasty, IMO.

Jonnyboy
26-10-2009, 05:00 PM
Most of the Rangers fans i've spoken to (used a weegie translator) think Whittaker is dreadful.

Would have him back here. :agree:

On the same note... why is it that when any of our players move to the OF, they end up turning out gash? :confused:

Most of the Rangers fans I've spoken to think Rangers are terrible :greengrin

NORTHERNHIBBY
26-10-2009, 08:20 PM
Whittaker would fit right into our thinking. That thinking being, playing midfielders at the back. If we really need a new right back, let's buy one in the window. Not make and mend with midfielders. We have been doing this all the way back to Stephen Glass. Sure that McLiesh played Dirk Pornstar at right back too.:bitchy:

Woody1985
26-10-2009, 08:28 PM
His positional sense is dreadful.

:agree:

Vini1875
26-10-2009, 09:09 PM
I wouldn't buy any rangers players simply because it would help the hun bas****s out of the mess they're in. Long may it continue.

Still think Whittaker is a player going forward but as has been said not a good defender.

Kevvy1875
26-10-2009, 09:19 PM
Im thinking.....would Whittakerr want to come back to Hibs? Riordan & Murray did...but they are Hibbys and what you see is what you get. I rate Whittakerr but its another one of these Boozy, Sproule type threads.....I dont see it happening.

If we got him for next to nowt on a reasonable wage....Id take him...otherwise no.

heretoday
26-10-2009, 09:20 PM
He got a bit of a roasting on Saturday from the champions elect. I'm not sure he's Hibs material now.

Billychaotic182
26-10-2009, 11:30 PM
He got a bit of a roasting on Saturday from the champions elect. I'm not sure he's Hibs material now.

I think he is the kind o right back we need right now.

Mikeystewart
27-10-2009, 11:37 AM
wrong

he played most of his games at hibs at right back and did a really good job

this notion thats he's better in midfield is a fallacy

Dont really agree with that, always felt he was great going forward but always got caught in possesion. Watching his recent performances for rangers defencivly he is no better than wotherspoon.

In saying that i would have him back if the price was right.

oneone73
27-10-2009, 11:41 AM
I wouldn't buy any rangers players simply because it would help the hun bas****s out of the mess they're in. Long may it continue.



A very good point!

snooky
27-10-2009, 12:31 PM
Whitty? Very poor defensively, no' bad going forward tho'.
As my mate used to say, "He wouldnae make a back for a waistcoat".
We haven't had a natural RB since Willie Miller.

freddie m
27-10-2009, 01:09 PM
Whittaker is suffering the same problems that our right backs suffered last year, he is being exposed down the right because their right midfielder (I think its that new French boy) is not covering him, and more often than not he is being faced with two players to defend against.
If you remember last year our right sided midfielder was usually John Rankin, to my recollection he was not known to backtrack in support of our right back and that is why we struggled in that area.
I anticipate others coming on to remind me of how poor Van Zanten was but remember he did not always play there last season.
To the original post I would take Whittaker back as he is a proven SPL right back and we do not have too many of them hanging about Easter Road at the moment.
Glory Glory
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sean
27-10-2009, 01:54 PM
thought whittaker was good player at hibs,excellent going forward,confortable with the ball at feet.

defending was a bit of an issue at times,but had more good games than bad.

would have him back any day.

was disapointed in the booing of him at ibrox,he was a commited,whole hearted tryer,didnt see the need to boo him.

he made us over 1 million pound and neevr said a bad word i can think of about the club.

also i think he played alot of under 19 football at CM,sumone who watched him back then could tell you for sure

smurf
27-10-2009, 01:58 PM
Have to say that the suggestion Whittaker wasn't or wouldn't be good enough for us at RB is pretty laughable IMHO.

Jonnyboy
27-10-2009, 01:59 PM
Whittaker is suffering the same problems that our right backs suffered last year, he is being exposed down the right because their right midfielder (I think its that new French boy) is not covering him, and more often than not he is being faced with two players to defend against.
If you remember last year our right sided midfielder was usually John Rankin, to my recollection he was not known to backtrack in support of our right back and that is why we struggled in that area.

I anticipate others coming on to remind me of how poor Van Zanten was but remember he did not always play there last season.
To the original post I would take Whittaker back as he is a proven SPL right back and we do not have too many of them hanging about Easter Road at the moment.
Glory Glory
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Sorry but I can't agree with that. Rankin may not be everyone's cup of tea but one thing he is exceptional at is tracking back. IIRC our right back looked much more comfortable when Rankin played right midfield :agree:

Jonnyboy
27-10-2009, 02:00 PM
Have to say that the suggestion Whittaker wasn't or wouldn't be good enough for us at RB is pretty laughable IMHO.

Agreed. Suggesting that when he came forward he always lost the ball is equally laughable. I've never understood the argument about him being poor defensively either!

Big Frank
27-10-2009, 02:27 PM
Agreed. Suggesting that when he came forward he always lost the ball is equally laughable. I've never understood the argument about him being poor defensively either!


No' too sure about that JB. He tended to run into trouble a lot imo.


Would have whittaker back at ER no problems thou' :agree:

Jonnyboy
27-10-2009, 02:54 PM
No' too sure about that JB. He tended to run into trouble a lot imo.


Would have whittaker back at ER no problems thou' :agree:

Agreed he did that but 'always' as was suggested earlier!!!

I always felt that Whitty had magic feet, could go into a ruck of players with the ball at his feet and somehow come out of the other end still retaining possession.

Ach, my memory :greengrin