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Sylar
19-10-2009, 11:49 AM
The New Hate Crime (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8314125.stm)

Campaigners are trying to ensure that verbal/physical abuse of someone who is overweight is described as a "hate crime" and that "fatism" should be abolished.

Reading the example given, if a patient goes to visit a Dr in San Francisco, and the doctor mentions the weight of the patient, and the patient states they do not wish to discuss it, the doctor must leave it be.

This seems rather absurd to me, as surely if someone is putting themselves in danger due to overeating/poor diet/an underlying medical condition (underactive thyroidism), then surely it's the doctors duty to address the issue and try and rectify it? Or is it "morally corrupt" to identify a person's flaws and imperfections, at the risk of potential damaging their ego/psyche?

Give it a few years and the chanting of "you fat b*****d" will be outlawed at football grounds across the country!

lapsedhibee
19-10-2009, 11:57 AM
No bothered about the feelings of f*t *********s in the US, but very concerned about the future of Viz magazine. Will it be up in court for its documentary portrayal of fun loving lasses in NE England?

Jack
19-10-2009, 12:24 PM
Surgeon: You will need to loose weight before we can operate on you. :agree:

Fatty: But I only weigh 21 stone :confused:

Surgeon: The operating table can only take up to 20 stone, you’ll need to come back after you’ve lost some weight.

A couple of months later …

Fatty: I really must have that operation, my life is hell. :grr:

Surgeon: Have you lost the required weight?

Fatty: Err, no. :grr:

Surgeon: So how much do you weigh?

Fatty: Err 24 stone.


A real life example of what goes on in our NHS.

BravestHibs
19-10-2009, 12:51 PM
Fat people, thyroid complaints aside, are people who eat more than they exercise. If they want to lose weight then the answer is simple, exercise more and eat less. To say that they have the same rights as someone who is persecuted for their skin colour is ridiculous. I'm pretty certain you don't become black/asian/jewish or whatever from overindulging in sugary treats.

I smoke. This is a choice I made and one I continue to make. I get grief for smoking fairly regularly. If these lazy overeaters want to be treated like a persecuted minority I forward a motion to be treated in a similar fashion. Alternatively I might just quit. Perhaps Fat people, instead of lobbying for rights which will inevetably end up criminalising people should they go ahead, should stop passing the buck and looking to validate their obesity? Perhaps, with no where to look for excuses it might just be the kick in the ample buttocks they need to lose the weight they value so much.

steakbake
19-10-2009, 01:01 PM
Surgeon: You will need to loose weight before we can operate on you. :agree:

Fatty: But I only weigh 21 stone :confused:

Surgeon: The operating table can only take up to 20 stone, you’ll need to come back after you’ve lost some weight.

A couple of months later …

Fatty: I really must have that operation, my life is hell. :grr:

Surgeon: Have you lost the required weight?

Fatty: Err, no. :grr:

Surgeon: So how much do you weigh?

Fatty: Err 24 stone.


A real life example of what goes on in our NHS.

I remember watching a documentary about a surgeon who does stomach stapling.

He said the worst thing about it is the fact that the folks he operate on see the stapling operation date as a deadline by which to cram as much s#!t into their pie-holes as they possibly can. In fact, people are supposed to lose weight on the run up to them.

He said some people want helped but just won't help themselves. That is true in many things in life!

ArabHibee
19-10-2009, 09:56 PM
I saw them interviewing 2 of them on BBC Breakfast this morning. Their complaint is that they should be allowed to be as they are, and not have to suffer abuse because they choose to be that size.

Fair do's but I don't agree that it should be described as a "hate crime". One of them said she was beat up for being fat. I seriously doubt that.

Chuckie
20-10-2009, 08:20 AM
You can't have your cake and eat it.

Beefster
20-10-2009, 08:26 AM
Surgeon: You will need to loose weight before we can operate on you. :agree:

Fatty: But I only weigh 21 stone :confused:

Surgeon: The operating table can only take up to 20 stone, you’ll need to come back after you’ve lost some weight.

A couple of months later …

Fatty: I really must have that operation, my life is hell. :grr:

Surgeon: Have you lost the required weight?

Fatty: Err, no. :grr:

Surgeon: So how much do you weigh?

Fatty: Err 24 stone.


A real life example of what goes on in our NHS.

I know someone who was told in the 90's that they needed to lose weight to have a hip replacement op. They're still being told the same thing nowadays.

As folk have said, this is ridiculous.

The majority of fat folk choose to be fat, despite excuses to the contrary (i.e. big-boned, slow metabolism, don't eat much and so on and so on). It's not even remotely comparable to race, disability etc

As much as I hate the term, this truly is PC gone mad.

sambajustice
20-10-2009, 08:30 AM
You can't have you cake and eat it.

I've always wondered about this saying, why else would you want a cake if you werent going to eat it?!

Woody1985
20-10-2009, 09:26 AM
Any of these idiots should just be met with the response 'HIT THE GYM FAT ASS'.

Dinkydoo
20-10-2009, 11:32 AM
Fat people, thyroid complaints aside, are people who eat more than they exercise. If they want to lose weight then the answer is simple, exercise more and eat less. To say that they have the same rights as someone who is persecuted for their skin colour is ridiculous. I'm pretty certain you don't become black/asian/jewish or whatever from overindulging in sugary treats.

I smoke. This is a choice I made and one I continue to make. I get grief for smoking fairly regularly. If these lazy overeaters want to be treated like a persecuted minority I forward a motion to be treated in a similar fashion. Alternatively I might just quit. Perhaps Fat people, instead of lobbying for rights which will inevetably end up criminalising people should they go ahead, should stop passing the buck and looking to validate their obesity? Perhaps, with no where to look for excuses it might just be the kick in the ample buttocks they need to lose the weight they value so much.


:top marks Absoloutely spot on!

I was about to make the point that this sounds like they wanted to be treated like a minority that is being unfairly persecuted - but you've covered this much better than I could have.

I also smoke. It's my choice, but I'm not screaming for rights and for people who are against smoking to be presecuted. I'm damaging my body with choosing to smoke, I just think myself lucky that In this country a certain degree of "free will" is still around and I can Smoke (in designated places) without being charged with a criminal offence.

Also, what about junkies, alcoholics and people addicted to any other substance......

A step too far imo - caused by people that no doubt think they are being PC when in fact they're simply turning Britain into a Freedom of Speech free area. :grr:

the_ginger_hibee
20-10-2009, 12:08 PM
Fat people, thyroid complaints aside, are people who eat more than they exercise. If they want to lose weight then the answer is simple, exercise more and eat less. To say that they have the same rights as someone who is persecuted for their skin colour is ridiculous. I'm pretty certain you don't become black/asian/jewish or whatever from overindulging in sugary treats.

I smoke. This is a choice I made and one I continue to make. I get grief for smoking fairly regularly. If these lazy overeaters want to be treated like a persecuted minority I forward a motion to be treated in a similar fashion. Alternatively I might just quit. Perhaps Fat people, instead of lobbying for rights which will inevetably end up criminalising people should they go ahead, should stop passing the buck and looking to validate their obesity? Perhaps, with no where to look for excuses it might just be the kick in the ample buttocks they need to lose the weight they value so much.

Instead of using smokers as an example, you could say, possibly with more relevance, Gingers?! :greengrin

Its not by choice to be ginger, your born with it and stuck with it, fat people have to eat 'sugary sweets' what lifestyle choice do the Chris Evans of the world make?

I can guarantee many a kids life has been made a misery for having ginger hair, more so than being overweight (especially in this country) infact I think people are more hesitant and uneasy about slagging someone for their weight, than they are for having ginger hair (just watch the reaction to this post :wink:)

Such a mollycoddling society that these fat ****ers are even being entertained with this 'hate crime' boo hoo shiza! Plenty people ahead of they unfit turkeys in the 'victim' sympathy stakes. Fairy pathetic by the fatty boom booms here IMO.

Yours in red.
Mr Simply Hucknall

BravestHibs
20-10-2009, 12:21 PM
Instead of using smokers as an example, you could say, possibly with more relevance, Gingers?! :greengrin

Its not by choice to be ginger, your born with it and stuck with it, fat people have to eat 'sugary sweets' what lifestyle choice do the Chris Evans of the world make?

I can guarantee many a kids life has been made a misery for having ginger hair, more so than being overweight (especially in this country) infact I think people are more hesitant and uneasy about slagging someone for their weight, than they are for having ginger hair (just watch the reaction to this post :wink:)

Such a mollycoddling society that these fat ****ers are even being entertained with this 'hate crime' boo hoo shiza! Plenty people ahead of they unfit turkeys in the 'victim' sympathy stakes. Fairy pathetic by the fatty boom booms here IMO.

Yours in red.
Mr Simply Hucknall

That's exactly the point I was making. I choose to smoke in the same way that fat people choose to gorge on unsuitable foods. Black people don't choose to be born black, just as people with 'strawberry blonde' hair as my mother calls hers, don't choose to be born with 'strawberry blonde' hair. If fat people want to be treated equally there's a simple, although I appreciate more difficult, option in order for that to be case. It's known as EXERCISE. Haven't they heard that the tour de France cyclists have to ingest about 5 or 6000 calories a day to give them the required energy to complete a stage. If that isn't enough motivation for our chubby human rights activists to start exercising then I don't know what is.

Killiehibbie
20-10-2009, 12:25 PM
Instead of using smokers as an example, you could say, possibly with more relevance, Gingers?! :greengrin

Its not by choice to be ginger, your born with it and stuck with it, fat people have to eat 'sugary sweets' what lifestyle choice do the Chris Evans of the world make?

I can guarantee many a kids life has been made a misery for having ginger hair, more so than being overweight (especially in this country) infact I think people are more hesitant and uneasy about slagging someone for their weight, than they are for having ginger hair (just watch the reaction to this post :wink:)

Such a mollycoddling society that these fat ****ers are even being entertained with this 'hate crime' boo hoo shiza! Plenty people ahead of they unfit turkeys in the 'victim' sympathy stakes. Fairy pathetic by the fatty boom booms here IMO.

Yours in red.
Mr Simply Hucknall

Dye it or shave it off but your stuck with the freckles.:greengrin
I think Redheads have as much right not to be ridiculed as people with any other hair or skin colour but don't hold your breath. As for fat ****ers less calories works a treat.

Killiehibbie
20-10-2009, 12:28 PM
That's exactly the point I was making. I choose to smoke in the same way that fat people choose to gorge on unsuitable foods. Black people don't choose to be born black, just as people with 'strawberry blonde' hair as my mother calls hers, don't choose to be born with 'strawberry blonde' hair. If fat people want to be treated equally there's a simple, although I appreciate more difficult, option in order for that to be case. It's known as EXERCISE. Haven't they heard that the tour de France cyclists have to ingest about 5 or 6000 calories a day to give them the required energy to complete a stage. If that isn't enough motivation for our chubby human rights activists to start exercising then I don't know what is.
I read somewhere that Michael Phelps was on 12000 calories per day but I don't think it was made up of saturated fat.

Wilson
20-10-2009, 01:56 PM
Surgeon: You will need to loose weight before we can operate on you. :agree:

Fatty: But I only weigh 21 stone :confused:

Surgeon: The operating table can only take up to 20 stone, you’ll need to come back after you’ve lost some weight.

A couple of months later …

Fatty: I really must have that operation, my life is hell. :grr:

Surgeon: Have you lost the required weight?

Fatty: Err, no. :grr:

Surgeon: So how much do you weigh?

Fatty: Err 24 stone.


A real life example of what goes on in our NHS.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/8315400.stm

Here is a guy that weighed 50 stone in 2006 and 70 stone now. Don't know his story so wouldn't be able to guess at any 'mitigating' circumstances.

Judging by the story though a forklift may just be able to carry Nade.

Tinyclothes
20-10-2009, 02:32 PM
Fat people should pay more national insurance and also be neutared so they can't have children.

Betty Boop
20-10-2009, 02:42 PM
Fat people should pay more national insurance and also be neutared so they can't have children.

Hitler would be so proud! :rolleyes:

Phil D. Rolls
20-10-2009, 03:54 PM
You fat ******** is such a clumsy way to get through to these people. I much prefer "fart and let us know what way you are facing" - although I would never do that myself.

I feel sorry for fat people, and I don't think it's nice to call them names. At the end of the day though, it's not the same as slagging someone's ethnicity or sexuality, they have a choice - although there might be something in them that stops them using it.

One thing I do object to is the number of them who are producing fat children, I think that is cruellty, as the kids will miss out on a lot of the fun in life, and end up with physical and psychological problems.

steakbake
20-10-2009, 06:29 PM
Fat people should pay more national insurance and also be neutared so they can't have children.

Fat people can lose weight and they can beget thin children. I think it's the gypsies you were meaning, Mr Griffin.

Flynn
21-10-2009, 03:46 PM
Instead of using smokers as an example, you could say, possibly with more relevance, Gingers?! :greengrin

Its not by choice to be ginger, your born with it and stuck with it, fat people have to eat 'sugary sweets' what lifestyle choice do the Chris Evans of the world make?

I can guarantee many a kids life has been made a misery for having ginger hair, more so than being overweight (especially in this country) infact I think people are more hesitant and uneasy about slagging someone for their weight, than they are for having ginger hair (just watch the reaction to this post :wink:)

Such a mollycoddling society that these fat ****ers are even being entertained with this 'hate crime' boo hoo shiza! Plenty people ahead of they unfit turkeys in the 'victim' sympathy stakes. Fairy pathetic by the fatty boom booms here IMO.

Yours in red.
Mr Simply Hucknall

Is gingerism the last, almost socially acceptable form of prejudice/piss-taking? My girlfriend is a red head and I have ridiculed gingers (in a jokey way) loads of time in the past. I have seen the error of my ways. Of course, we're not planning on having kids, for obvious reasons :wink:

Interestingly, ginger is an anagram of "ni**er". Coincidence? I think not. :devil:

back to to fatties:

In the vast majority of cases it really is just a case of a fridge too far. Fatties should have to pay more tax for the NHS as smokers do IMO. Obesity is offensive to me on a purely aesthetic level. Disgusting! :no way:

Woody1985
21-10-2009, 03:56 PM
Is gingerism the last, almost socially acceptable form of prejudice/piss-taking? My girlfriend is a red head and I have ridiculed gingers (in a jokey way) loads of time in the past. I have seen the error of my ways. Of course, we're not planning on having kids, for obvious reasons :wink:

Interestingly, ginger is an anagram of "ni**er". Coincidence? I think not. :devil:

back to to fatties:

In the vast majority of cases it really is just a case of a fridge too far. Fatties should have to pay more tax for the NHS as smokers do IMO. Obesity is offensive to me on a purely aesthetic level. Disgusting! :no way:

:faf:

My next door neighbour and her sister (whom both live there and in their 40s) are both 20 stone plus. It makes me cringe, throw in the fact that they are smellin and it gives you the dry boak. THIS WAS NOT COOL WHEN I WAS STANDING AROUND THE SHOPS WI MY MATES AND SHE'D COME OVER AND SPEAK TO ME. :jamboak:

I had my revenge when she was in my back garden with my mum and I was asked to make a cup of tea which duly contained, salt, pepper and various kind of sauces. Suprisingly she never drank it after taking one drink. :faf:

I always think it's funny when she tells my granda that she losing weight. :faf: There was one point where every few months she'd tell my granda that she's lost another stone when she's clearly got fatter. :faf: :faf: :faf:

Yes, I am a fatist (despite being about a stone or two overweight)!

Phil D. Rolls
21-10-2009, 05:30 PM
Fat people can lose weight and they can beget thin children. I think it's the gypsies you were meaning, Mr Griffin.

I don't think he's a BNP infiltrator. I think he is a lonely little man with Tinyclothes.

lapsedhibee
21-10-2009, 05:46 PM
I think he is a lonely little man with Tinyclothes.

You're saying he's a famous Disney character?

One of the magnificent seven: Grumpy, Sneezy, Sleepy, Dopey, Happy, Bashful & Lonely? :dunno:

Part/Time Supporter
21-10-2009, 06:10 PM
I thought this was going to be a thread about Scott McDonald(s).

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00912/SNA2169A-280_912372a.jpg

Flynn
22-10-2009, 01:01 PM
Dye it or shave it off but your stuck with the freckles.:greengrin
I think Redheads have as much right not to be ridiculed as people with any other hair or skin colour but don't hold your breath. As for fat ****ers less calories works a treat.

Cliff: You know I read a lot. Especially things that have to do with history. I find that **** fascinating. In fact, I don't know if you know this or not, Sicilians were spawned by gingers.

Coccotti: Come again?

Cliff: It's a fact. Sicilians have ginger blood pumpin' through their hearts. If you don't believe me, look it up. You see, hundreds and hundreds of years ago the daywalkers conquered Sicily. And daywalkers are gingers. Way back then, Sicilians were like the wops in northern Italy. Blond hair, blue eyes. But, once the daywalkers moved in there, they changed the whole country. They did so much ****in' with the Sicilian women, they changed the blood-line for ever, from blond hair and blue eyes to ginger hair and freckly skin. I find it absolutely amazing to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, Sicilians still carry that ginger gene. I'm just quotin' history. It's a fact. It's written. Your ancestors were gingers. Your great, great, great, great, great-grandmother was ****ed by a ginger, and had a strawberry blonde-kid. Now, if that is a fact. Now tell me, am I lyin'?

:devil:

Dashing Bob S
24-10-2009, 12:07 AM
Fat people, thyroid complaints aside, are people who eat more than they exercise. If they want to lose weight then the answer is simple, exercise more and eat less. To say that they have the same rights as someone who is persecuted for their skin colour is ridiculous. I'm pretty certain you don't become black/asian/jewish or whatever from overindulging in sugary treats.

I smoke. This is a choice I made and one I continue to make. I get grief for smoking fairly regularly. If these lazy overeaters want to be treated like a persecuted minority I forward a motion to be treated in a similar fashion. Alternatively I might just quit. Perhaps Fat people, instead of lobbying for rights which will inevetably end up criminalising people should they go ahead, should stop passing the buck and looking to validate their obesity? Perhaps, with no where to look for excuses it might just be the kick in the ample buttocks they need to lose the weight they value so much.

I completely agree with this and have lost patience with the obesity epidemic, so-called. They choose to be that way with their self-overindulgence, and it makes me rather sick to see those programs where they bleat piteously as if someone else has made them into the deformed monsters they've become. Yes, some obese people have thyroid issues, yes, others struggle with depression, but most are simply self-indulgent weaklings who should show some backbone, consciousness and stop packing calories into their hideously deformed stomachs.