Ireland Ratifies the Lisbon Treaty.

[LiverpoolHibs]

That's seriously depressing.

I wonder if they'll go for a best of three...

[Phil D. Rolls]

That's seriously depressing.

I wonder if they'll go for a best of three...

Was Bob Geldolf involved, because it would be a Boomtown Ratification then.

I'll get my come uppance!

[Hibs Class]

That's seriously depressing.

I wonder if they'll go for a best of three...

Not surprising, given a) a clear message from the Irish Government that the people would have to vote until they got it "right" and b) the Irish were such major beneficiaries of the EU over the last 10-15 years that those who changed from no to yes this time mostly did so because they believe (were told) it is the only way their bankrupt economy will once again thrive

[Woody1985]

Not surprising, given a) a clear message from the Irish Government that the people would have to vote until they got it "right" and b) the Irish were such major beneficiaries of the EU over the last 10-15 years that those who changed from no to yes this time mostly did so because they believe (were told) it is the only way their bankrupt economy will once again thrive

Seems like the recession has played right into the EU's hands.

The news coverage I seen had almost every person stating that they were doing it for the economy. Which is fair enough if it's true.

I thought the treaty was to do with law making rather than major economic issues (I understand that some laws can have large impacts on economies but those are generally few and far between I think)?

[Part/Time Supporter]

That's seriously depressing.

I wonder if they'll go for a best of three...

why?

first vote was about 53-46
second vote was 67-33

At least it puts the Tories in a bind

:devil:

[LiverpoolHibs]

Seems like the recession has played right into the EU's hands.

The news coverage I seen had almost every person stating that they were doing it for the economy. Which is fair enough if it's true.

Everyone's been saying that because they've faced an absolutely astonishing barrage of propaganda and scare-mongering from the Irish establishment. The newspapers were united in giving support to the 'Yes' side and universities and employers sent e-mails to their students and employers urging them to vote yes 'for their own good'. In the face of the blackmail and partiality they faced it's surprising the 'No' side did as well as they did. All the debate was framed in Thatcherite 'There Is No Other Alternative', accept it or die, lunacy. Which is rather incredible given those same policies are the reason they (and the rest of us) are so ****ed at the moment.

Even in terms of the shocking lack of transparency and accountability that is built into the E.U. this treaty takes the proverbial biscuit.


I thought the treaty was to do with law making rather than major economic issues (I understand that some laws can have large impacts on economies but those are generally few and far between I think)?

There's actually quite a large economic bent to it and it enshrines neo-liberalism as the economic heart of the E.U., as well as further encroaching on workers' rights and the freedom of trade unions to operate.

[Betty Boop]

Boris Johnson v Paxman on the Lisbon Treaty. :blah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgThJK8xfKw