English Defence League to March in Glasgow!

[richard_pitts]

According to my sources the EDL are due to march in Glasgow on 19 November!! :confused:

This particular BNP front appears to have missed an obvious point. Glasgow is not in England :wink: Mind you Nick Griffin is an Englishman who lives on a farm in rural North Wales whilst campaigning against people coming into the country and threatening our way of life without any sense of irony so what do you expect?

What are they marching to defend England from? The Scots? :faf: If you ever wanted conclusive proof racists are thick, this is it methinks :agree:

I also note their members contain a number of English football casuals. If the Scottish ones turn up to fight the English casuals, combined with all the violence of their previous demonstrations it'll all resemble the fight scene at the end of blazing saddles...:bitchy:

[Killiehibbie]

According to my sources the EDL are due to march in Glasgow on 19 November!! :confused:

This particular BNP front appears to have missed an obvious point. Glasgow is not in England :wink: Mind you Nick Griffin is an Englishman who lives on a farm in rural North Wales whilst campaigning against people coming into the country and threatening our way of life without any sense of irony so what do you expect?

What are they marching to defend England from? The Scots? :faf: If you ever wanted conclusive proof racists are thick, this is it methinks :agree:

I also note their members contain a number of English football casuals. If the Scottish ones turn up to fight the English casuals, combined with all the violence of their previous demonstrations it'll all resemble the fight scene at the end of blazing saddles...:bitchy:

It did seem a strange decision to come to but they'll all sit round the camp fire farting and telling stories about it in years to come. Who knows it might even get included in a book written by one of the heroes?

[Betty Boop]

According to my sources the EDL are due to march in Glasgow on 19 November!! :confused:

This particular BNP front appears to have missed an obvious point. Glasgow is not in England :wink: Mind you Nick Griffin is an Englishman who lives on a farm in rural North Wales whilst campaigning against people coming into the country and threatening our way of life without any sense of irony so what do you expect?

What are they marching to defend England from? The Scots? :faf: If you ever wanted conclusive proof racists are thick, this is it methinks :agree:

I also note their members contain a number of English football casuals. If the Scottish ones turn up to fight the English casuals, combined with all the violence of their previous demonstrations it'll all resemble the fight scene at the end of blazing saddles...:bitchy:
They are marching with the Scottish Defence League to show their solidarity. :rolleyes:

[degenerated]

it will no doubt be a mob of rangers and hearts casuals, who will hopefully end up getting a good kicking off the anti-fascists.

[Lucius Apuleius]

'Mon the anti-fascists then!!!!

[Phil D. Rolls]

I think these people should be allowed to get on with their democratic right to make absolute d*cks of themselves. Sad little men with nothing else to offer the planet than the ability to share a sense of injustice. Rather than admit that they have made a pathetic attempt at living life they prefer to blame anyone else they can.

[New Corrie]

it will no doubt be a mob of rangers and hearts casuals, who will hopefully end up getting a good kicking off the anti-fascists.


Yeah! of course none of the other teams have racist supporters right enough.

[Tazio]

Yeah! of course none of the other teams have racist supporters right enough.

Of course not. All fans politics are influenced by their choice of team and vice versa.

[degenerated]

Yeah! of course none of the other teams have racist supporters right enough.

i didnt mention supporters

[Bamba]

combined with all the violence of their previous demonstrations it'll all resemble the fight scene at the end of blazing saddles...:bitchy:


"Piss on you, I work for Mel Brooks!"

[kano]

If this goes ahead there will be a bus running to glasgow for a counter demo if anyones is interested?

I think the date is the 14th of november need to double check that tho.

[Betty Boop]

If this goes ahead there will be a bus running to glasgow for a counter demo if anyones is interested?

I think the date is the 14th of november need to double check that tho.
Absolutely! Can you give the details.

[New Corrie]

If this goes ahead there will be a bus running to glasgow for a counter demo if anyones is interested?

I think the date is the 14th of november need to double check that tho.


Much that I think this will be attended by repellent people, please tell me something of the potential occupants of this bus. You will find that most people that day, may well be working or doing something constructive with families etc. So, are the potential bus occupants also criminal, bone idle, benefit scroungers, albeit batting from a different angle? From the outside looking in, it just appears like a gathering of social inadequates (right wing and left wing)....Does anyone ever give any consideration to the costs of these things? A gathering of football hooligan racists, confronting benefit scrounging layabouts who still whinge anout the Poll Tax! Excuse my indifference, but would it not be more beneficial to just kill them all, as they are never (in reality) going to contribute anything positive. No wonder Britain is skint, when we allow dross to take to the streets, taking up valuable Police time. But hey.....let's just explain to the victims of crime, that they went unnoticed because the Police were too busy Policing criminal benefit scroungers who are demonstrating/counter demonstrating on our streets.

[hibsdaft]

Much that I think this will be attended by repellent people, please tell me something of the potential occupants of this bus. You will find that most people that day, may well be working or doing something constructive with families etc. So, are the potential bus occupants also criminal, bone idle, benefit scroungers, albeit batting from a different angle? From the outside looking in, it just appears like a gathering of social inadequates (right wing and left wing)....Does anyone ever give any consideration to the costs of these things? A gathering of football hooligan racists, confronting benefit scrounging layabouts who still whinge anout the Poll Tax! Excuse my indifference, but would it not be more beneficial to just kill them all, as they are never (in reality) going to contribute anything positive. No wonder Britain is skint, when we allow dross to take to the streets, taking up valuable Police time. But hey.....let's just explain to the victims of crime.... that they went unnoticed because the Police were too busy Policing criminal benefit scroungers who are demonstrating/counter demonstrating on our streets.

this flies in the face of your support for the Casuals a bit tbh :greengrin

[New Corrie]

this flies in the face of your support for the Casuals a bit tbh :greengrin

Hmmm! not so sure about that! There is something nice about seeing bullies getting it tight. Ask anyone who followed Hibs on the road in the late 70's.

[hibsdaft]

Hmmm! not so sure about that! There is something nice about seeing bullies getting it tight. Ask anyone who followed Hibs on the road in the late 70's.

i'm ambivalent on the casuals myself, but in the 70's didn't you also have bullies picking off individuals on account of their colours in a similar way by that period's equivalent of these EDL bawbags?

There is something nice about seeing bullies getting it tight i agree:agree:

(although in this pathetic EDL case i don't believe folk should rise to the bait)

[Betty Boop]

Much that I think this will be attended by repellent people, please tell me something of the potential occupants of this bus. You will find that most people that day, may well be working or doing something constructive with families etc. So, are the potential bus occupants also criminal, bone idle, benefit scroungers, albeit batting from a different angle? From the outside looking in, it just appears like a gathering of social inadequates (right wing and left wing)....Does anyone ever give any consideration to the costs of these things? A gathering of football hooligan racists, confronting benefit scrounging layabouts who still whinge anout the Poll Tax! Excuse my indifference, but would it not be more beneficial to just kill them all, as they are never (in reality) going to contribute anything positive. No wonder Britain is skint, when we allow dross to take to the streets, taking up valuable Police time. But hey.....let's just explain to the victims of crime, that they went unnoticed because the Police were too busy Policing criminal benefit scroungers who are demonstrating/counter demonstrating on our streets.
I dare say they cost less to police than the 250 Orange parades, that Strathclyde Police are looking to cut by 90%. Interesting to note that Glasgow has more of these gatherings than Belfast. I wonder if those who go on orange parades are "benefit scrounging layabouts" as you put it? :rolleyes:

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/City39s-Orange-marches-set-to.5568167.jp

[hibsbollah]

Much that I think this will be attended by repellent people, please tell me something of the potential occupants of this bus. You will find that most people that day, may well be working or doing something constructive with families etc. So, are the potential bus occupants also criminal, bone idle, benefit scroungers, albeit batting from a different angle? From the outside looking in, it just appears like a gathering of social inadequates (right wing and left wing)....Does anyone ever give any consideration to the costs of these things? A gathering of football hooligan racists, confronting benefit scrounging layabouts who still whinge anout the Poll Tax! Excuse my indifference, but would it not be more beneficial to just kill them all, as they are never (in reality) going to contribute anything positive. No wonder Britain is skint, when we allow dross to take to the streets, taking up valuable Police time. But hey.....let's just explain to the victims of crime, that they went unnoticed because the Police were too busy Policing criminal benefit scroungers who are demonstrating/counter demonstrating on our streets.

You do know what you sound like, dont you?:faf:
(If the brownshirt fits...)

[New Corrie]

I dare say they cost less to police than the 250 Orange parades, that Strathclyde Police are looking to cut by 90%. Interesting to note that Glasgow has more of these gatherings than Belfast. I wonder if those who go on orange parades are "benefit scrounging layabouts" as you put it? :rolleyes:

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/City39s-Orange-marches-set-to.5568167.jp

I would imagine some of them would be, otherwise they would be working instead of taking to the streets. FWIW, I wouldn't allow any marches until such times as the country can afford to Police them. Britain is skint, and Britain's wellbeing is what is important to me, therefore I am sure you will forgive me not wanting our few remaining Shillings being spent Policing workshy, trouble makers.

[hibsdaft]

I would imagine some of them would be, otherwise they would be working instead of taking to the streets. FWIW, I wouldn't allow any marches until such times as the country can afford to Police them. Britain is skint, and Britain's wellbeing is what is important to me, therefore I am sure you will forgive me not wanting our few remaining Shillings being spent Policing workshy, trouble makers.

never heard of annual leave CG?! believe it or not some folk are willing to spend a day or two here and there on matters of conviction :wink:

[hibsbollah]

I would imagine some of them would be, otherwise they would be working instead of taking to the streets. FWIW, I wouldn't allow any marches until such times as the country can afford to Police them. Britain is skint, and Britain's wellbeing is what is important to me, therefore I am sure you will forgive me not wanting our few remaining Shillings being spent Policing workshy, trouble makers.

What if a multimillionaire wanted to demonstrate on his day off? (as i'm sure many of them did at the countryside alliance protests). Would you still object then or is it just the principle of right of assembly you object to?

[Betty Boop]

I would imagine some of them would be, otherwise they would be working instead of taking to the streets. FWIW, I wouldn't allow any marches until such times as the country can afford to Police them. Britain is skint, and Britain's wellbeing is what is important to me, therefore I am sure you will forgive me not wanting our few remaining Shillings being spent Policing workshy, trouble makers.

Seeing as the 14th of November is a Saturday, I would imagine that those who do not work weekends will be able to demonstrate at their leisure. My fifteen year old daughter and I will going, if the demonstration goes ahead. We like to demonstrate as a family! :greengrin

[New Corrie]

What if a multimillionaire wanted to demonstrate on his day off? (as i'm sure many of them did at the countryside alliance protests). Would you still object then or is it just the principle of right of assembly you object to?

Yes, Countryside Alliance were a gathering of fat, rosie faced, greedy country twats with knitted hair, even the Women looked like Colin Montgomerie! They were well aware of where their reapective MP's stood on country issues. If they didn't like it vote for someone else, don't take to the streets and inconvenience people. We do seem to get "serial protesters" in Britain, generally a bunch of long haired Yetties jumping on to whatever "right on" cause they can find.....Embarrassing Fuds...Oh! and a lot of them are Real Ale drinking, Vegetarian Cyclists with facial hair!...I rest my case!

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Seeing as the 14th of November is a Saturday, I would imagine that those who do not work weekends will be able to demonstrate at their leisure. My fifteen year old daughter and I will going, if the demonstration goes ahead. We like to demonstrate as a family! :greengrin


What is it you are demonstrating about, and who is it that you are demonstrating with?

[hibsbollah]

Yes, Countryside Alliance were a gathering of fat, rosie faced, greedy country twats with knitted hair, even the Women looked like Colin Montgomerie! They were well aware of where their reapective MP's stood on country issues. If they didn't like it vote for someone else, don't take to the streets and inconvenience people. We do seem to get "serial protesters" in Britain, generally a bunch of long haired Yetties jumping on to whatever "right on" cause they can find.....Embarrassing Fuds...Oh! and a lot of them are Real Ale drinking, Vegetarian Cyclists with facial hair!...I rest my case!?

I think you'll find other countries have demonstrations and protestors too:faf: For example, a lot of the Tianemmen Square demonstrators in Beijing were likely to have been vegetarian cyclists, some of them may have had facial hair, but I doubt many of them drunk real ale.

In fact, tell me where they don't have a culture of street demonstrations and you win a coconut.

[The Mook]

[QUOTE=corrie greens;2194491]Yes, Countryside Alliance were a gathering of fat, rosie faced, greedy country twats with knitted hair, even the Women looked like Colin Montgomerie! They were well aware of where their reapective MP's stood on country issues. If they didn't like it vote for someone else, don't take to the streets and inconvenience people. We do seem to get "serial protesters" in Britain, generally a bunch of long haired Yetties jumping on to whatever "right on" cause they can find.....Embarrassing Fuds...Oh! and a lot of them are Real Ale drinking, Vegetarian Cyclists with facial hair!...I rest my case!

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You missed out the most fuddish of protestor in this country.

The 'Trustafarian' :greengrin

[LiverpoolHibs]

I would imagine some of them would be, otherwise they would be working instead of taking to the streets. FWIW, I wouldn't allow any marches until such times as the country can afford to Police them. Britain is skint, and Britain's wellbeing is what is important to me, therefore I am sure you will forgive me not wanting our few remaining Shillings being spent Policing workshy, trouble makers.

Do you realise how ludicrous you sound?

[BravestHibs]

I would imagine some of them would be, otherwise they would be working instead of taking to the streets. FWIW, I wouldn't allow any marches until such times as the country can afford to Police them. Britain is skint, and Britain's wellbeing is what is important to me, therefore I am sure you will forgive me not wanting our few remaining Shillings being spent Policing workshy, trouble makers.

Maybe instead of protesting we should have rallies for our 'glorious leader'. A show of strength with a nuclear test perhaps? Or how about stoning adulterers to death at Easter Road? Would that fit your vision for our country?

[sadtom]

Do you realise how ludicrous you sound?

:agree:

Wonder why it is not deemed acceptable for people to 'mobilise' to give the racist bullies of the bnp,nf,bm, c18, edl et al 'it tight'. After all i remember a couple of dozen hibs boys joining the anti fascist to attack the bnp when they tried to meet in embra at haymarket in the early 90's. I know, i was with them for most of it.

Remember folks, no fraggle rockers, smart dress only.

[Wembley67]

If this goes ahead there will be a bus running to glasgow for a counter demo if anyones is interested?

I think the date is the 14th of november need to double check that tho.


Absolutely! Can you give the details.

Is this tongue in cheek?

[Betty Boop]

Is this tongue in cheek?

No why?

[New Corrie]

Do you realise how ludicrous you sound?


Not as ludicrous as you with your constant Citizen Smith bollocks!

[sleeping giant]

Yes, Countryside Alliance were a gathering of fat, rosie faced, greedy country twats with knitted hair, even the Women looked like Colin Montgomerie! They were well aware of where their reapective MP's stood on country issues. If they didn't like it vote for someone else, don't take to the streets and inconvenience people. We do seem to get "serial protesters" in Britain, generally a bunch of long haired Yetties jumping on to whatever "right on" cause they can find.....Embarrassing Fuds...Oh! and a lot of them are Real Ale drinking, Vegetarian Cyclists with facial hair!...I rest my case!

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What is it you are demonstrating about, and who is it that you are demonstrating with?


:faf: Class rant as always :greengrin

[LiverpoolHibs]

Not as ludicrous as you with your constant Citizen Smith bollocks!

Cutting...

[Betty Boop]

Cutting...

Power to the people! :greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

[QUOTE=corrie greens;2194491]Yes, Countryside Alliance were a gathering of fat, rosie faced, greedy country twats with knitted hair, even the Women looked like Colin Montgomerie! They were well aware of where their reapective MP's stood on country issues. If they didn't like it vote for someone else, don't take to the streets and inconvenience people. We do seem to get "serial protesters" in Britain, generally a bunch of long haired Yetties jumping on to whatever "right on" cause they can find.....Embarrassing Fuds...Oh! and a lot of them are Real Ale drinking, Vegetarian Cyclists with facial hair!...I rest my case!

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You missed out the most fuddish of protestor in this country.

The 'Trustafarian' :greengrin

You forgot to mention the lesbian drum core who show up at these things, blowing their whistles and whooping whenever a speaker says something they agree with. That really grinds my gears.

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Cutting...

Foxie have you had your tea?

[LiverpoolHibs]

Power to the people! :greengrin


Foxie have you had your tea?

:greengrin

Now, where did I put my beret...

[sadtom]

hmm! the TPF or the alf garnett/jim davidson/jeremy clarkson fanclub for reactionary pea-the-beds?
I know which one i find more ludicrous.

[sadtom]

I would imagine some of them would be, otherwise they would be working instead of taking to the streets. FWIW, I wouldn't allow any marches until such times as the country can afford to Police them. Britain is skint, and Britain's wellbeing is what is important to me, therefore I am sure you will forgive me not wanting our few remaining Shillings being spent Policing workshy, trouble makers.

And why is that then?
I assume you will be placing the blame correctly at the door of the greed motivated, workshy 1 week a year ceo's. The freeloading, expence claiming, disgustingly overpaid, tax dodging, free lunch, private industry, yuppie $***. The predominantly privilaged, silver spoon, private schoolboy or self interested, self motivated, middle class social ladder climbing wannabes.
Still, they wear suits!!!!! It must be the poor's fault, or the immigrants, or the unemployed etc

After all, there is nothing like a bit of victim blaming that would make a victorian blush

[New Corrie]

And why is that then?
I assume you will be placing the blame correctly at the door of the greed motivated, workshy 1 week a year ceo's. The freeloading, expence claiming, disgustingly overpaid, tax dodging, free lunch, private industry, yuppie $***. The predominantly privilaged, silver spoon, private schoolboy or self interested, self motivated, middle class social ladder climbing wannabes.
Still, they wear suits!!!!! It must be the poor's fault, or the immigrants, or the unemployed etc

After all, there is nothing like a bit of victim blaming that would make a victorian blush


And all this under a Labour Government aswell! Add to that the 5 Million people who never worked during Labour's tenure! Of course we could continue with Britain drowning in a sea of benefits and methadone if you think that is the way forward. As for scroungers....I don't care if they wear a suit or went to a posh school, that's not relevent, unless you do "inverted snobbery".

At least some good news this morning, with the Tories promising to slash benefits. Bring it on!

[LiverpoolHibs]

And all this under a Labour Government aswell! Add to that the 5 Million people who never worked during Labour's tenure! Of course we could continue with Britain drowning in a sea of benefits and methadone if you think that is the way forward. As for scroungers....I don't care if they wear a suit or went to a posh school, that's not relevent, unless you do "inverted snobbery".

At least some good news this morning, with the Tories promising to slash benefits. Bring it on!

Just out of interest, does your support of the Tories not put you in a rather peculiar spot? In that nothing is going to increase support for the S.N.P. and independence more than a few years of the Conservatives in Westminster, no?

[sadtom]

And all this under a Labour Government aswell! Add to that the 5 Million people who never worked during Labour's tenure! Of course we could continue with Britain drowning in a sea of benefits and methadone if you think that is the way forward. As for scroungers....I don't care if they wear a suit or went to a posh school, that's not relevent, unless you do "inverted snobbery".

At least some good news this morning, with the Tories promising to slash benefits. Bring it on!


More pathetic victim blaming. You dont half talk the biggest load of sensationalist tripe. 'Sea of methadone' laughable. if you think the benefits bill has any major affect on the countries ecomony then its you who must be responsible for the sea of methadone!
What makes you think i give a damn which useless bunch of capitalist diddies are (mis)managing the economy. Unemployment is nearly reaching the levels it was under the tories (god knows what the real figure would have been if maggie and her mob hadn't applied 28 changes to how the figures were counted in order to massage the total number).
The reality is that people dont claim the amount of benefits that are due to them. Not by a long way.
There is a 1000 fold larger pot of cash ripped of from the country is the greedy rich who illegally tax dodge, and who pay thousands to advisors in order to find loop holes to avoid paying what they are due, more importantly what they can easily afford.
Even J Major tried to do something about it, when a task force he set up with only a couple of dozen bodies managed to recoup several hundred times more in 3 months than the thousands of staff employed to find benefit cheats recouped in the previous 2 years. Of course the CBI leant on him and this hugely successful 'team' was disbanded after the 3 months.
Wheres their TV advert?

You are also aware that it is the middle classes who benefit most from 'welfare', not housing or unemployment, but health and education, as they live longer and are more likely to go to further education, this is a long established fact. They are also more likely to take up benefits (ie prescription charges) even although they can afford it.

Still why let the facts get in the way of allowing the daily mail bridgade to vent their spleen about the undeserving poor while thrashing away at their throbbing gristle.

[New Corrie]

Just out of interest, does your support of the Tories not put you in a rather peculiar spot? In that nothing is going to increase support for the S.N.P. and independence more than a few years of the Conservatives in Westminster, no?


Yes, it is not a nice place for me. I have resigned myself to the fact that we will be going our own way, sooner rather than later. Sadly, nothing I can do about it. Decades of Scottish people blaming the Tories for everything has left us facing the inevatble, hacking lumps out of the Union scenario.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Yes, it is not a nice place for me. I have resigned myself to the fact that we will be going our own way, sooner rather than later. Sadly, nothing I can do about it. Decades of Scottish people blaming the Tories for everything has left us facing the inevatble, hacking lumps out of the Union scenario.

I think we had quite a lot to blame them for, but that is another debate.

[Betty Boop]

48 arrests at English Defence League Rally in Manchester.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Four-Arrested-As-Anti-fascist-And-Anti-Islam-Protestors-Clash-iI-Manchester/Article/200910215403390

[Woody1985]

48 arrests at English Defence League Rally in Manchester.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Four-Arrested-As-Anti-fascist-And-Anti-Islam-Protestors-Clash-iI-Manchester/Article/200910215403390

What is the proportion of arrests of the EDL to UAF groups?

[hibsdaft]

that boy in the balaclava :faf:

[Pete]

If you want to demonstrate or counter demonstrate go and do it in a field where you won't cause anyone any bother. The same amount of people will still be listening to you....nobody!

If any of these bodies take to the streets they should be dealt with by a water cannon.

[lEXO]

More pathetic victim blaming. You dont half talk the biggest load of sensationalist tripe. 'Sea of methadone' laughable. if you think the benefits bill has any major affect on the countries ecomony then its you who must be responsible for the sea of methadone!
What makes you think i give a damn which useless bunch of capitalist diddies are (mis)managing the economy. Unemployment is nearly reaching the levels it was under the tories (god knows what the real figure would have been if maggie and her mob hadn't applied 28 changes to how the figures were counted in order to massage the total number).
The reality is that people dont claim the amount of benefits that are due to them. Not by a long way.
There is a 1000 fold larger pot of cash ripped of from the country is the greedy rich who illegally tax dodge, and who pay thousands to advisors in order to find loop holes to avoid paying what they are due, more importantly what they can easily afford.
Even J Major tried to do something about it, when a task force he set up with only a couple of dozen bodies managed to recoup several hundred times more in 3 months than the thousands of staff employed to find benefit cheats recouped in the previous 2 years. Of course the CBI leant on him and this hugely successful 'team' was disbanded after the 3 months.
Wheres their TV advert?

You are also aware that it is the middle classes who benefit most from 'welfare', not housing or unemployment, but health and education, as they live longer and are more likely to go to further education, this is a long established fact. They are also more likely to take up benefits (ie prescription charges) even although they can afford it.

Still why let the facts get in the way of allowing the daily mail bridgade to vent their spleen about the undeserving poor while thrashing away at their throbbing gristle.
:top marksTop post

[Woody1985]

What is the proportion of arrests of the EDL to UAF groups?

Anyone?

[IndieHibby]

if you think the benefits bill has any major affect on the countries ecomony then its you who must be responsible for the sea of methadone! -1
What makes you think i give a damn which useless bunch of capitalist diddies are (mis)managing the economy. Unemployment is nearly reaching the levels it was under the tories (god knows what the real figure would have been if maggie and her mob hadn't applied 28 changes to how the figures were counted in order to massage the total number).
The reality is that people dont claim the amount of benefits that are due to them. Not by a long way. -2
You are also aware that it is the middle classes who benefit most from 'welfare', not housing or unemployment, but health and education, as they live longer and are more likely to go to further education, this is a long established fact. They are also more likely to take up benefits (ie prescription charges) even although they can afford it. - 3


1 - The overall effect of benefit on the financial stability of the State is irrelevant. The issue, I feel, is that it leads to perverse incentives. If the benefits system makes it economically unsound for someone to take the jobs available at the time, then it has created an individual/family who is/are caught in a 'benefits trap' for the rest of their life. It will distort prices and availability of resources for people who are doing something productive with their time.
2 - "People don't claim benefits they are entitled to" - it won't matter what you are 'entitled' to when the state goes bankrupt! Not sure what your point is there. Although this notion of 'entitlement' leaves a funny smell.....
3 - Middle-classes also PAY for these 'welfare' arrangements more than anyone else! If the state was privatised then the middle classes would be exactly the kind of people who would go without luxuries in order to pay for education and health, as they are the ones who have the drive and ambition to make investements in health and education pay off in the long run. What would the so-called working/under-classes do? probably nick off down the bookies before spending the evening in the pub after which returning home to knock seven-shades out the wife and kids*






*disclaimer - the text underlined does not represent my actual prejudices about such groups. It is merely written with the intent of provoking the quotee with some of his own medicine. I hope he spots the irony...

[hibsdaft]

Anyone?

its police policy to reveal only the age of people arrested i think so i doubt that info is available.

i understand that the police and mosque leaders got together to stop local muslims from going and were very successful in that. the Police operation was pretty successful all round it seems tbh. all the more reason to conclude that there's no need to give this shower the reaction they're desperate to incite.

[Woody1985]

its police policy to reveal only the age of people arrested i think so i doubt that info is available.

i understand that the police and mosque leaders got together to stop local muslims from going and were very successful in that. the Police operation was pretty successful all round it seems tbh. all the more reason to conclude that there's no need to give this shower the reaction they're desperate to incite.

Sounds fair.

I'd imagine that they'll have a note of it somewhere but probably won't have it available to the public.

[duncs]

Piece on Newsnight (England) last night about the English Defence League

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ndt3p/Newsnight_12_10_2009/

Starts about 26.15 mins in - I know the guy Prof Matthew Goodwin who Paxman interviews at the end after his appearance in the piece.

[Betty Boop]

Sounds fair.

I'd imagine that they'll have a note of it somewhere but probably won't have it available to the public.

Why was it important?

[Phil D. Rolls]

1 - The overall effect of benefit on the financial stability of the State is irrelevant. The issue, I feel, is that it leads to perverse incentives. If the benefits system makes it economically unsound for someone to take the jobs available at the time, then it has created an individual/family who is/are caught in a 'benefits trap' for the rest of their life. It will distort prices and availability of resources for people who are doing something productive with their time.
2 - "People don't claim benefits they are entitled to" - it won't matter what you are 'entitled' to when the state goes bankrupt! Not sure what your point is there. Although this notion of 'entitlement' leaves a funny smell.....
3 - Middle-classes also PAY for these 'welfare' arrangements more than anyone else! If the state was privatised then the middle classes would be exactly the kind of people who would go without luxuries in order to pay for education and health, as they are the ones who have the drive and ambition to make investements in health and education pay off in the long run. What would the so-called working/under-classes do? probably nick off down the bookies before spending the evening in the pub after which returning home to knock seven-shades out the wife and kids*






*disclaimer - the text underlined does not represent my actual prejudices about such groups. It is merely written with the intent of provoking the quotee with some of his own medicine. I hope he spots the irony...

Buy to let schemes have seen a large amount of middle class people becoming landlords. Given that it tends to be the poorer people who let houses the benefits system might see the money going back to the people who pay for it.

[Betty Boop]

Piece on Newsnight (England) last night about the English Defence League

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ndt3p/Newsnight_12_10_2009/

Starts about 26.15 mins in - I know the guy Prof Matthew Goodwin who Paxman interviews at the end after his appearance in the piece.

Now on YouTube--

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gysMBg5G02Q


Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxCHgEKWoYo&NR=1

[Woody1985]

Why was it important?

I would say it is important.

When it is covered by the news it implies that all the arrests were made from supporters of the EDL. For info, I have very little knowledge of the EDL and hadn't even heard of them until mentioned here. I just think that stats should be provided where possible to give a balanced view.

On a slightly different note, I think it's funny how some people on here condone violence against people or groups they dislike whilst proclaiming that they want to have 'good will to all men' type attitude.

Also, how they would quite happily see members of the BNP shot whilst arguing against moral dilemas such as the death penalty.

I must state that I am not a supporter or have a knowledge of the history of either of the parties above and have only really gained knowledge of them via hibs.net (ironically!). I just get a bit miffed by some of the contradictions sometimes. :rolleyes:

[Betty Boop]

I would say it is important.

When it is covered by the news it implies that all the arrests were made from supporters of the EDL. For info, I have very little knowledge of the EDL and hadn't even heard of them until mentioned here. I just think that stats should be provided where possible to give a balanced view.

On a slightly different note, I think it's funny how some people on here condone violence against people or groups they dislike whilst proclaiming that they want to have 'good will to all men' type attitude.

Also, how they would quite happily see members of the BNP shot whilst arguing against moral dilemas such as the death penalty.

I must state that I am not a supporter or have a knowledge of the history of either of the parties above and have only really gained knowledge of them via hibs.net (ironically!). I just get a bit miffed by some of the contradictions sometimes. :rolleyes:

Why don't you read up on the history of the BNP, which was formed from the National Front and their fascist ideology, and you may (or may not) change your views? :greengrin

[Phil D. Rolls]

I would say it is important.

When it is covered by the news it implies that all the arrests were made from supporters of the EDL. For info, I have very little knowledge of the EDL and hadn't even heard of them until mentioned here. I just think that stats should be provided where possible to give a balanced view.

On a slightly different note, I think it's funny how some people on here condone violence against people or groups they dislike whilst proclaiming that they want to have 'good will to all men' type attitude.

Also, how they would quite happily see members of the BNP shot whilst arguing against moral dilemas such as the death penalty.

I must state that I am not a supporter or have a knowledge of the history of either of the parties above and have only really gained knowledge of them via hibs.net (ironically!). I just get a bit miffed by some of the contradictions sometimes. :rolleyes:

I think that's fair comment, what's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander. If it's any good it would be a proper gander, and we have to be aware of that.

[Betty Boop]

I think that's fair comment, what's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander. If it's any good it would be a proper gander, and we have to be aware of that.

:faf:

[LiverpoolHibs]

I would say it is important.

When it is covered by the news it implies that all the arrests were made from supporters of the EDL. For info, I have very little knowledge of the EDL and hadn't even heard of them until mentioned here. I just think that stats should be provided where possible to give a balanced view.

On a slightly different note, I think it's funny how some people on here condone violence against people or groups they dislike whilst proclaiming that they want to have 'good will to all men' type attitude.

Also, how they would quite happily see members of the BNP shot whilst arguing against moral dilemas such as the death penalty.

I must state that I am not a supporter or have a knowledge of the history of either of the parties above and have only really gained knowledge of them via hibs.net (ironically!). I just get a bit miffed by some of the contradictions sometimes. :rolleyes:

I'm assuming that's aimed at me?

I hope I've never given the impression of having a 'good will to all men' attitude - **** that.

I also didn't say I'd like to see 'members of the BNP shot', I said I'd quite like to see Nick Griffin shot in the face. Get it right... :wink:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Good to see the Sunday Mail has their finger on the pulse of what is happening in Scotland today.

http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/2009/10/25/revealed-english-nazis-plot-to-bring-terror-to-streets-of-scotland-78057-21772012/

I wonder why this has become news this week. Do they give a toss about fascism or are they solely interested in printing topical stories to boost their circulation.

Also, why oh why oh why, do they insist in peddling that great Scottish get out clause " a big boy did it and ran away". Just as Der Hun could not possibly have been responsible for the un-Scottish practice of trashing Manchester (it was big boys from London who then ran away); so it couldn't be possible that Scotland has its own fair share of racist bigots who will quite happily bring fear and terror to Scottish communities.

When of when oh when, is the Protestant right going to stop setting the agenda in this country? (I didn't write that by the way, it was someone from England who stole my ID).

[1two]

I read yesterday that an edinburgh march is planned for february.
Does anyone know if their is a cunter march planned?

sorry if this is posted elsewhere..

[H18sry]

I read yesterday that an edinburgh march is planned for february.
Does anyone know if their is a cunter march planned?

sorry if this is posted elsewhere..

:cool2:

[Betty Boop]

I read yesterday that an edinburgh march is planned for february.
Does anyone know if their is a cunter march planned?

sorry if this is posted elsewhere..

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=228821281130

[Woody1985]

So did this go ahead in November?

I noticed at the game yesterday there was a guy handing out anti-SDL/racism/fascism flyers. Did anyone else see him? Only noticed the one.

[Antifa Hibs]

Aye but it was an embarrassment from the SDL side. About 100 members tops hid in a pub all day, then had to be protect from a yellow ring of steel (polis) then bussed out the city center for there own safety.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polopoly_fs/scottish-defense-league-1.932260!image/3495476206.JPG_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/3495476206.JPG

[degenerated]

Aye but it was an embarrassment from the SDL side. About 100 members tops hid in a pub all day, then had to be protect from a yellow ring of steel (polis) then bussed out the city center for there own safety.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polopoly_fs/scottish-defense-league-1.932260!image/3495476206.JPG_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/3495476206.JPG


it's always been the same with the fascists, they've always had to rely on police protection. master race my erse, they always get the kicking they deserve :agree:

[tony higgins]

Aye but it was an embarrassment from the SDL side. About 100 members tops hid in a pub all day, then had to be protect from a yellow ring of steel (polis) then bussed out the city center for there own safety.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polopoly_fs/scottish-defense-league-1.932260!image/3495476206.JPG_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/3495476206.JPG

Yeh and you,d never guess where they bussed them to.

A well known Irvine Meadow pub in Paisley Rd West beside Ibrox.

:greengrin

[1two]

:cool2:

:cool2:

[_hucks_]

Just thought I'd post a link to an article written by a couple of friends who were involved in the counter demonstration (http://www.socialist.net/how-glasgow-stopped-the-fascist-scottish-defence-league.htm).

[hibsbollah]

Just thought I'd post a link to an article written by a couple of friends who were involved in the counter demonstration (http://www.socialist.net/how-glasgow-stopped-the-fascist-scottish-defence-league.htm).

Pretty depressing reading, reminded me of the Peoples Front of Judea sketch in the Life of Brian. If the Left spent as much time confronting its political enemies as it does on squabbling amongst itself it might not have been in the political wilderness for so long.

[khib70]

Pretty depressing reading, reminded me of the Peoples Front of Judea sketch in the Life of Brian. If the Left spent as much time confronting its political enemies as it does on squabbling amongst itself it might not have been in the political wilderness for so long.
Reminded me of my days in student politics 30 years ago. No lessons learned, then?

Not being of the left, I would normally not be bothered, and even slightly pleased about this. However, if it prevents effective opposition to racists and fascists, it's a real cause for concern.

[Betty Boop]

Spied this on the Bounce. Deary me ! :greengrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6lupC6WyE

[Twa Cairpets]

Spied this on the Bounce. Deary me ! :greengrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6lupC6WyE

How the hell he does that lad function? A loop tape to earphones saying breath in, breath out? One of the stupidest people I have ever heard.

[Sylar]

How the hell he does that lad function? A loop tape to earphones saying breath in, breath out? One of the stupidest people I have ever heard.

Don't tell me you can't see the important point he's trying to make about Iraqi Muslamic law :greengrin

[degenerated]

Spied this on the Bounce. Deary me ! :greengrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6lupC6WyE

That boy is that dense I bet light bends around him. What a complete rasper :agree:

[CB_NO3]

What a tool. How thick does he look and sound.

[steakbake]

Excellent. PressTV is part of the Iranian Broadcasting Corporation. They'll be pissing themselves. Muslamic law haha

Dick'ed.

[Dashing Bob S]

Yes, Countryside Alliance were a gathering of fat, rosie faced, greedy country twats with knitted hair, even the Women looked like Colin Montgomerie! They were well aware of where their reapective MP's stood on country issues. If they didn't like it vote for someone else, don't take to the streets and inconvenience people. We do seem to get "serial protesters" in Britain, generally a bunch of long haired Yetties jumping on to whatever "right on" cause they can find.....Embarrassing Fuds...Oh! and a lot of them are Real Ale drinking, Vegetarian Cyclists with facial hair!...I rest my case!

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What is it you are demonstrating about, and who is it that you are demonstrating with?

Excellent.

[bighairyfaeleith]

Yeah! of course none of the other teams have racist supporters right enough.

sorry did someone dare criticise anything to do with rangers:rolleyes:

[Greentinted]

Spied this on the Bounce. Deary me ! :greengrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6lupC6WyE


Moozlahmik infidels and ray guns...you shouldn't laugh but :faf::faf::faf:

[discman]

Moozlahmik infidels and ray guns...you shouldn't laugh but :faf::faf::faf:


couldnt stop!!!!!! :faf::faf::faf::faf::faf: