102 minutes that changes the world

[RoslinInstHibby]

anyone see this last night on channel 4?

was pretty hard to watch:boo hoo:

[cabbageandribs1875]

it was interesting watching a lot of footage never saw before :agree:

[RoslinInstHibby]

it was interesting watching a lot of footage never saw before :agree:


yeah it was

when watching stuff like that it stuns me to think that some people still believe the conspiracy rumours of what happened that day.....:confused:

[Barman Stanton]

Yes, watched it and found it facinating. One of the images that stood out was the poor Firemen on the way to the building, knowing that none are likely around today.

Still think it was very strange the way the building colapsed however.

[Gus]

yeah it was

when watching stuff like that it stuns me to think that some people still believe the conspiracy rumours of what happened that day.....:confused:

no matter what, you will always get these conspiracy "theories" although watching the programme last night wouldn't of changed my mind if I beleived them as I do beleive there are some substance to the theories IMO.

Some of the images where horrifying & heartbreaking, the fire fighters who entered the building to save others & they never returned.

[LamontHFC©]

Anyone know if it'll be repeated anywhere?

[Betty Boop]

Anyone know if it'll be repeated anywhere?

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/102-minutes-that-changed-america/4od#2934610

[Sir David Gray]

I thought about watching it but I cannot bring myself to watch anything related to 9/11. It makes me really upset and it also brings about an anger that I can barely explain.

[thekaratekid]

it didn't need any words

very sad

[blackpoolhibs]

Yes, watched it and found it facinating. One of the images that stood out was the poor Firemen on the way to the building, knowing that none are likely around today.

Still think it was very strange the way the building colapsed however.

The towers came down imho because the bit above were the planes went in, just collapsed from the damage and fire. Consequently bringing the rest down with it. I don't believe there was any other reason or conspiracy involved.

[OtterHibee]

it was interesting watching a lot of footage never saw before :agree:

:agree: It was certainly hardhitting.

I still get this sense of disbelief everytime I watch anything related to that day. It's difficult to believe it's been as many as 8 years now.

The events of 9/11 were a truly shocking example of pure evil on such a massive scale which one can only hope and pray are never repeated. Sadly it hasn't and will not be the last incident of it's kind.

Absolutely tragic.

[Barman Stanton]

The towers came down imho because the bit above were the planes went in, just collapsed from the damage and fire. Consequently bringing the rest down with it. I don't believe there was any other reason or conspiracy involved.

It was more the way they both collapsed in the same controlled-like manner and in a similar timescale that seems odd to me. But Im no expert on buildings so it may be perfectly normal they way they collapsed.

Eaither way, this was one of the best docs I have seen on 9/11. Some of the images really do stay with you after watching.

[blackpoolhibs]

It was more the way they both collapsed in the same controlled-like manner and in a similar timescale that seems odd to me. But Im no expert on buildings so it may be perfectly normal they way they collapsed.

Eaither way, this was one of the best docs I have seen on 9/11. Some of the images really do stay with you after watching.

Me neither, its just my opinion on why they came down. As for the conspiracy theory's, i don't believe there was any. I think anything we don't quite understand, opens itself up to a conspiracy theory.

[Gus]

It was more the way they both collapsed in the same controlled-like manner and in a similar timescale that seems odd to me. But Im no expert on buildings so it may be perfectly normal they way they collapsed.

Eaither way, this was one of the best docs I have seen on 9/11. Some of the images really do stay with you after watching.

There is actually a good piece in today's metro. The way the twin towers collapsed looked like a controlled explosion. They also found a substance at ground zero (10 tonnes of the stuff) called thermananite?!?**** which is used by the military to heat metal to breaking point (structure of a building) I would never like to believe in these conspiracies as the events of that day will live with all who witnessed it forever, if you were there or watched it unfold on tv, but for me something doesn't seem right IMO

[Betty Boop]

There is actually a good piece in today's metro. The way the twin towers collapsed looked like a controlled explosion. They also found a substance at ground zero (10 tonnes of the stuff) called thermananite?!?**** which is used by the military to heat metal to breaking point (structure of a building) I would never like to believe in these conspiracies as the events of that day will live with all who witnessed it forever, if you were there or watched it unfold on tv, but for me something doesn't seem right IMO

Thermite dust. http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html

[Twa Cairpets]

There is actually a good piece in today's metro. The way the twin towers collapsed looked like a controlled explosion. They also found a substance at ground zero (10 tonnes of the stuff) called thermananite?!?**** which is used by the military to heat metal to breaking point (structure of a building) I would never like to believe in these conspiracies as the events of that day will live with all who witnessed it forever, if you were there or watched it unfold on tv, but for me something doesn't seem right IMO

Or maybe have a read of this an make up your mind afterwards.

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

[Sylar]

I have a very hard time watching these documentaries, but do so, nonetheless.

I was there that day, with friends in NY, supposed to be enjoying a day out, and with every intention of heading to the financial centre around lunch, to see the WTC - we were in Battery Park when both planes hit.

This time of the year reignites those memories, and I have enough imagery in my head without the bombardment of these documentaries.

Still, I feel compelled for some reason, hoping I'll find some form of answer in the footage.

It's a day I'll never forget in a hurry.

[sunshine1875]

Thought the programme really showed the sense of confusion and fear that must have gripped those near the WTC during and after the planes crashed. Also thought that it was a good decision not to have any voice-overs or reflections from those affected by the events. Just playing the individual videos in sequence of the events work well.

Watching the firefighters entering the building and later listening to their radio calls "I am on the 78th floor and we are containing the fire" was a powerful image knowing that they only had minutes to live.

As an aside though, I thought it was strange that so many people first thoughts seemed to be "lets get my video out" rather than get the hell away from the WTC.

[RickyS]

I thought about watching it but I cannot bring myself to watch anything related to 9/11. It makes me really upset and it also brings about an anger that I can barely explain.

I know exactly what you mean, I had a real set-too with my kids head mistress this morning, because they for the first time (she is new) there will be no minutes silence because the mother of a muslim child objected. dont want to get into any muslim debate, but its bang out of order IMHO:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

[blackpoolhibs]

I know exactly what you mean, I had a real set-too with my kids head mistress this morning, because they for the first time (she is new) there will be no minutes silence because the mother of a muslim child objected. dont want to get into any muslim debate, but its bang out of order IMHO:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

Yes it is, there is no reason whatsoever for anyone to object to a minutes silence on this subject.:grr:

[Randerson_4]

Thought the programme really showed the sense of confusion and fear that must have gripped those near the WTC during and after the planes crashed. Also thought that it was a good decision not to have any voice-overs or reflections from those affected by the events. Just playing the individual videos in sequence of the events work well.

Watching the firefighters entering the building and later listening to their radio calls "I am on the 78th floor and we are containing the fire" was a powerful image knowing that they only had minutes to live.

As an aside though, I thought it was strange that so many people first thoughts seemed to be "lets get my video out" rather than get the hell away from the WTC.

Would agree with your comments there. Pretty much sums up what I was thinking. The firefighters part was tragic

On the school thing, No person, Muslim, Asain, British, Whatever should object to that in anyway. Thats a disgrace

[LiverpoolHibs]

I know exactly what you mean, I had a real set-too with my kids head mistress this morning, because they for the first time (she is new) there will be no minutes silence because the mother of a muslim child objected. dont want to get into any muslim debate, but its bang out of order IMHO:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

Where is the school?

[Andy74]

I have a very hard time watching these documentaries, but do so, nonetheless.

I was there that day, with friends in NY, supposed to be enjoying a day out, and with every intention of heading to the financial centre around lunch, to see the WTC - we were in Battery Park when both planes hit.

This time of the year reignites those memories, and I have enough imagery in my head without the bombardment of these documentaries.

Still, I feel compelled for some reason, hoping I'll find some form of answer in the footage.

It's a day I'll never forget in a hurry.


I'd been in the world trade centre, at the top, at exactly the time and date it happened but two years earlier. How easily any of us could have been there on that day or a little bit closer if you were in NY.

[Twa Cairpets]

I know exactly what you mean, I had a real set-too with my kids head mistress this morning, because they for the first time (she is new) there will be no minutes silence because the mother of a muslim child objected. dont want to get into any muslim debate, but its bang out of order IMHO:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

The mother of the muslim child should have been told that the silence was in remembrance of all the dead, who included muslims. And then told where she could get tae.

Stupid bloody woman, and even more stupid bloody Head Mistress

[RickyS]

The mother of the muslim child should have been told that the silence was in remembrance of all the dead, who included muslims. And then told where she could get tae.

Stupid bloody woman, and even more stupid bloody Head Mistress

could not agree more, this PC stuff has went too far, I asked what the objection was and there was no further explanation. Im thinking of speaking to the paper tomorrow to try and get the decision reversed in time.

[Betty Boop]

My daighter's school only has a minutes silence for Remembrance Day, is it the norm for schools to have a minutes silence for September 11th?

[RickyS]

My daighter's school only has a minutes silence for Remembrance Day, is it the norm for schools to have a minutes silence for September 11th?

my laddie is only in P4 but the previous head teacher always did it, his opinion was that ALL race's/religions benefited from speaking about and having a chance to ask questions. maybe it was this that upset the mother in question.
worth pointing out too that a minutes silence was observed for our own July bombings.

[LiverpoolHibs]

My daighter's school only has a minutes silence for Remembrance Day, is it the norm for schools to have a minutes silence for September 11th?

I don't think so. And personally, I think it would be getting into slightly dangerous territory to do so.

[Woody1985]

The mother of the muslim child should have been told that the silence was in remembrance of all the dead, who included muslims. And then told where she could get tae.

Stupid bloody woman, and even more stupid bloody Head Mistress

:agree:

If the school wish to remember dead then they can IMO.


could not agree more, this PC stuff has went too far, I asked what the objection was and there was no further explanation. Im thinking of speaking to the paper tomorrow to try and get the decision reversed in time.

You should. We're pandering far too much to minorities. Not specifically the person or their faith in question. One person can raise an objection and suddenly it's banned. ****ing pisses me off.

Similar to all the ***** who complained about Clarkson. I actually called the TV watchdog to see if there was any form of anti-complaint line and was told no. You can raise an objection to something but no action to offset the complaints.

In fact, I might even complain about that so something can be put in place to offset the complainers :greengrin


My daighter's school only has a minutes silence for Remembrance Day, is it the norm for schools to have a minutes silence for September 11th?

IIRC in my workplace we held on on the 1st anniversary.

IMO 9/11 was an act of war on people's way of life. Although I don't think these people should be remembered or compared to the war dead I can understand why someone would want to remember it.


I don't think so. And personally, I think it would be getting into slightly dangerous territory to do so.

It's one of those ones where you don't really know where to draw the line. Do you have it for x occasion, y occasion. It probably should be limited to RD.

[LiverpoolHibs]

It's one of those ones where you don't really know where to draw the line. Do you have it for x occasion, y occasion. It probably should be limited to RD.

Exactly. And, intentionally or otherwise, you end up implicitly creating heirarchies of tragedy.

[steakbake]

Sorry to disagree and to perhaps seem insensitive but, see about the minute's silence?

It's supposed to be a respectful moment, restricted normally to Rememberance Day. Now, it's a hackneyed cliche from the plastic, mawkish cult of sentimentality which passes for "respecting the dead" which was born when the People's Princess died. You can have a minutes silence at the drop of a hat. You don't need to look far to find there's a reason for one each and every day.

Worse still are those who take on a lead mourner role: "I knew him best and I knew him well", as Morrissey once put it. They can't wait to be the most upset, the most upright, seizing the moral highground on people who'd rather not get caught up in this barnum effect of modern public grief.

Ah well, at least it's what She would have wanted. Man alive, modern life can be so depressingly shallow.

[Twa Cairpets]

Sorry to disagree and to perhaps seem insensitive but, see about the minute's silence?

It's supposed to be a respectful moment, restricted normally to Rememberance Day. Now, it's a hackneyed cliche from the plastic, mawkish cult of sentimentality which passes for "respecting the dead" which was born when the People's Princess died. You can have a minutes silence at the drop of a hat. You don't need to look far to find there's a reason for one each and every day.

Worse still are those who take on a lead mourner role: "I knew him best and I knew him well", as Morrissey once put it. They can't wait to be the most upset, the most upright, seizing the moral highground on people who'd rather not get caught up in this barnum effect of modern public grief.

Ah well, at least it's what She would have wanted. Man alive, modern life can be so depressingly shallow.

Actually, thats a fair point, and the overuse of minutes silences can have the effect of diluting the meaning.

However, in the case where this school has apparently had a (albeit short) tradition of the minute for 9/11, to have it stopped on the basis of one objection - if this is indeed the case - is inappropriate

[Gus]

I actually thought there would be more of a reason to have a minute silence on July 7th. Yes september 11th was awful but like someone said a minutes silence could be done for so many things.....

[Danderhall Hibs]

I just watched this programme this morning.

Why did so many of them have their camcorders on - even if they were in a mad panic to evacuate they still had their camera on! Pretty sure it's one thing I'd not be worrying about.

[Betty Boop]

I just watched this programme this morning.

Why did so many of them have their camcorders on - even if they were in a mad panic to evacuate they still had their camera on! Pretty sure it's one thing I'd not be worrying about.
I thought you were older than 10! :greengrin

[blaikie]

I'm watching this just now. Absolutely chilling watching those poor people jumping from the 1st tower :boo hoo:

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm watching this just now. Absolutely chilling watching those poor people jumping from the 1st tower :boo hoo:

:agree:
What a decision to make, burn to death, or jump to your death.:boo hoo:

[Sir David Gray]

I know exactly what you mean, I had a real set-too with my kids head mistress this morning, because they for the first time (she is new) there will be no minutes silence because the mother of a muslim child objected. dont want to get into any muslim debate, but its bang out of order IMHO:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

Although I find it a bit strange that your child's school has a minute's silence on each anniversary of 9/11, if they want to do it, I don't see why anyone would want to object, or on what grounds they would be objecting on. :confused:

Does this woman not realise that many Muslims died that day as well?

It really doesn't surprise me too much to hear that the school has backed down, either. :bitchy:

[Dinkydoo]

I watched this and the truely sickening thing for me was watching those people jumping out the first tower. I actually had to look away in parts simply because I couldn't really come to terms with the fact that I was watching someone jump to thier death - which was completely real and not in any way fictional.

All over *****g religion as well, it honestly makes my blood boil :grr:

My old High school used to have a minutes silence for 9/11 and I think that it should be upto the school whether they choose to have one or not. But to stop doing it because of one simple minded person is ridiculous. No matter what the cause is, if innocent people are killed the "good" cause has been been made invalid imo (if you get what I mean).

and if a school wishes to pay respect to the people that died that day by having a minutes silence then they should be able to - without having a dangerously deluded nitwit create a fuss.

[lobster]

This documentary was a stunning piece of work. Real life accounts in real time. Really gave a sense of being there. Truly stunning and very moving.
The conspiracy came after the event. The USA and its allies attacked Iraq.
The bombers were Saudi Arabian with no connection to Iraq. Simple.
The US and UK governments conspired to lie about supposed connections between Iraq and Al Quada and Irag and WMD to justify their illegal assault on Iraq. We all know this as a FACT. Why do people still reject the idea that there was a conspiracy?

[Betty Boop]

I watched this and the truely sickening thing for me was watching those people jumping out the first tower. I actually had to look away in parts simply because I couldn't really come to terms with the fact that I was watching someone jump to thier death - which was completely real and not in any way fictional.

All over *****g religion as well, it honestly makes my blood boil :grr:

My old High school used to have a minutes silence for 9/11 and I think that it should be upto the school whether they choose to have one or not. But to stop doing it because of one simple minded person is ridiculous. No matter what the cause is, if innocent people are killed the "good" cause has been been made invalid imo (if you get what I mean).

and if a school wishes to pay respect to the people that died that day by having a minutes silence then they should be able to - without having a dangerously deluded nitwit create a fuss.
I don't get what you mean can you explain? :confused:

[RoslinInstHibby]

I don't get what you mean can you explain? :confused:


im guessing lives should never be taken to make a point????:confused: