Health Fascism - Coming to your local soon

[khib70]

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The nanny state is about to invade your local. Don't you know you can't be trusted to drink without a raft of silly rules being imposed on you? Logical follow on from locking kids in their schools to stop them getting their hands on a chip butty or two, I suppose

[Phil D. Rolls]

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The nanny state is about to invade your local. Don't you know you can't be trusted to drink without a raft of silly rules being imposed on you? Logical follow on from locking kids in their schools to stop them getting their hands on a chip butty or two, I suppose

First they came for the drug users , and I said nothing because I wasn't a drug users.

Then they came for the pub goers , and I said nothing because I didn't go to the pub.

Then they came for the obese , and I said nothing because I wasn't obese.

etc

[Dashing Bob S]

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The nanny state is about to invade your local. Don't you know you can't be trusted to drink without a raft of silly rules being imposed on you? Logical follow on from locking kids in their schools to stop them getting their hands on a chip butty or two, I suppose


I pay good money in our sauna's for this, so if it happens in the pubs free of charge, then it's a welcome development.

[Woody1985]

The country is slowly turning into a farce. I've said on another thread that we're supposed to live in a democracy. Well it certainly doesn't ****ing feel like that.

I was in a pub 3 weekends ago in town and the had... Wait for it.... Alcohol Awareness Wardens who were dondering around the pub watching people whilst they were drinking. I assume they were going to instruct bar staff to stop serving certain people.

They never done any good cause I was ratarsed about 3ish and was taking the piss out of one of them. :LOL:

[Speedy]

The country is slowly turning into a farce. I've said on another thread that we're supposed to live in a democracy. Well it certainly doesn't ****ing feel like that.

I was in a pub 3 weekends ago in town and the had... Wait for it.... Alcohol Awareness Wardens who were dondering around the pub watching people whilst they were drinking. I assume they were going to instruct bar staff to stop serving certain people.

They never done any good cause I was ratarsed about 3ish and was taking the piss out of one of them. :LOL:

What a waste of time

[Jack]

They might as well kill all the kids at birth as there will soon be no point in living!

Between this and all the other daft things and on top of that all the CCTV to make sure you dont . . .

[Pete]

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The nanny state is about to invade your local. Don't you know you can't be trusted to drink without a raft of silly rules being imposed on you? Logical follow on from locking kids in their schools to stop them getting their hands on a chip butty or two, I suppose

It's dressed up as being "nanny state gone mad" but the initiatives make sense when you think about it.

It's an attempt to change our rotten drink culture. It might sound crude but it's a start and a step in the right direction.

Drink is ingrained in almost every aspect of our culture and it's not right...it's went too far and we're suffering because of it.

We're a laughing stock.

[Ally]

I don't think targeting the pubs is the way to curb binge drinking when the majority of youngsters binge drink by getting some cheap cider from an off license.

[Speedy]

Has anyone noticed that they have labels on booze bottles now saying 'drinking a glass of water between alcoholic drinks helps prevent dehydration' or something like that?

Lucky they have that on bottles of vodka or I would never have known that

[GhostofBolivar]

Has anyone noticed that they have labels on booze bottles now saying 'drinking a glass of water between alcoholic drinks helps prevent dehydration' or something like that?

Lucky they have that on bottles of vodka or I would never have known that

Alcohol's a diuretic. It makes you pee. If you drink water between drinks you're less likely to suffer hangovers.

I regularly have to deal with people who're paralytically drunk. And because of it, they're often thoroughly problematic and - when you point it out them - become abusive.

But of course, creating a better atmosphere for me, and others like me, to work in isn't very high in the list of priorities here, is it?

[Woody1985]

Alcohol's a diuretic. It makes you pee. If you drink water between drinks you're less likely to suffer hangovers.

I regularly have to deal with people who're paralytically drunk. And because of it, they're often thoroughly problematic and - when you point it out them - become abusive.

But of course, creating a better atmosphere for me, and others like me, to work in isn't very high in the list of priorities here, is it?

I think the point he is making is that everyone knows that drinking water after alcoholic drinks means you'll be more sober/hydrated.

No amount of writing on a bottle telling you that will make you do it.

The real reason that it's ingrained on most people is because young people start drinking at 13/14/15 and then it becomes part of your life every weekend from then on.

Stop the youngsters getting hold of drink and you'll erradicate most of the problems IMHO. Give the people selling the drink hefty penalties, jail sentences etc and we'll soon see it stop. Harsher penalties for people buying them the drink. If we had the balls to do that then we'd start seeing the benefit.

[Dashing Bob S]

They might as well kill all the kids at birth as there will soon be no point in living!

Between this and all the other daft things and on top of that all the CCTV to make sure you dont . . .

Sciatica still playing up, Jack?

[Jack]

Sciatica still playing up, Jack?

Yup!

And I've got the kids this weekend.

The game is on at the same time as the GP.

I'm earning my bad mood!

Thanks for asking. ;-)

[Onceinawhile]

I think the point he is making is that everyone knows that drinking water after alcoholic drinks means you'll be more sober/hydrated.

No amount of writing on a bottle telling you that will make you do it.

The real reason that it's ingrained on most people is because young people start drinking at 13/14/15 and then it becomes part of your life every weekend from then on.

Stop the youngsters getting hold of drink and you'll erradicate most of the problems IMHO. Give the people selling the drink hefty penalties, jail sentences etc and we'll soon see it stop. Harsher penalties for people buying them the drink. If we had the balls to do that then we'd start seeing the benefit.

Not in my opinion, whilst I agree with everything else, education has to be the key IMO, otherwise once people legally get a hold of booze, they wont know their limits/ will experiment ridiculously and that would be highly dangerous. Education has to be the key, with parents acting as role models, but it will never happen, because too many people can't have fun without a piss up.

[Woody1985]

Not in my opinion, whilst I agree with everything else, education has to be the key IMO, otherwise once people legally get a hold of booze, they wont know their limits/ will experiment ridiculously and that would be highly dangerous. Education has to be the key, with parents acting as role models, but it will never happen, because too many people can't have fun without a piss up.

Certainly, it needs to be combined with education.

I don't recall much being taught about alcohol at school. Maybe cos I was too drunk?!

When I got to 14/15 I would be out every weekend absolutely smashed on whatever I had enough money for (I did a paper round and got about £12 a week).

I would spend it on whatever, bottle of vodka with fanta, cheap cider, 20/20 or the occassional smirnoff ice if I was flush. :LOL:

I can now see how that has transferred to my adult life. Every week when it gets to a Friday the first though on my mind is to go to the pub. Almost any activity I do with my mates involves going to the pub at some stage.

Also, my income is usually used to pay off digs etc and the rest is for nights out that month. Similar to my paper round.

I suspect my attitude would be worlds apart from someone who never got drunk every weekend from the age of 14/15.

The longest I have went without a drink since I was that age in 25 days. I tried to go a whole month without drinking and it never worked. For perspective, I'm 24 in 3 months time.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I don't think targeting the pubs is the way to curb binge drinking when the majority of youngsters binge drink by getting some cheap cider from an off license.

There's a great misconception that kids are the biggest problem drinkers in Scotland. The real area of concern is middle age and up, the figures show: massive increases in alcohol related illness, especially amongst women.

Something that made amused me is the new name for drunken pensioners - Saga Louts. We can laugh, but that is a group that is drinking too much.


Alcohol's a diuretic. It makes you pee. If you drink water between drinks you're less likely to suffer hangovers.

I regularly have to deal with people who're paralytically drunk. And because of it, they're often thoroughly problematic and - when you point it out them - become abusive.

But of course, creating a better atmosphere for me, and others like me, to work in isn't very high in the list of priorities here, is it?

I wouldn't have thought so. It depends on what your job is, if you are a nursery nurse then I think it is an issue that needs adressing, if it is the police you work for, then that's part of the job isn't it?

[Woody1985]

There's a great misconception that kids are the biggest problem drinkers in Scotland. The real area of concern is middle age and up, the figures show: massive increases in alcohol related illness, especially amongst women.

Something that made amused me is the new name for drunken pensioners - Saga Louts. We can laugh, but that is a group that is drinking too much.



I wouldn't have thought so. It depends on what your job is, if you are a nursery nurse then I think it is an issue that needs adressing, if it is the police you work for, then that's part of the job isn't it?

Is that not because of the generations starting to drink younger and the effects are seen as they get older?

I've not seen any stats but I can't imagine that people suddenly start to go out and binge drink when they hit say 23. I suspect it is because they have started young and then it's become a way of life.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Is that not because of the generations starting to drink younger and the effects are seen as they get older?

I've not seen any stats but I can't imagine that people suddenly start to go out and binge drink when they hit say 23. I suspect it is because they have started young and then it's become a way of life.

People's lives change as they get older, they turn to booze as a coping strategy. Examples might be redundancy, bereavement, retirement. These are situations that not only bring stress, but the opportunity to drink more often.

There have been big changes in society in the last 25 years too. Alcohol is cheaper, and is not frowned upon the way it used to be, so people feel more relaxed about boozing.

[Speedy]

I've definitely read somewhere that working women are amongst the biggest offenders for drinking too much. Although I don't think they 'binge' as such

[Just Jimmy]

Certainly, it needs to be combined with education.

I don't recall much being taught about alcohol at school. Maybe cos I was too drunk?!

When I got to 14/15 I would be out every weekend absolutely smashed on whatever I had enough money for (I did a paper round and got about £12 a week).

I would spend it on whatever, bottle of vodka with fanta, cheap cider, 20/20 or the occassional smirnoff ice if I was flush. :LOL:

I can now see how that has transferred to my adult life. Every week when it gets to a Friday the first though on my mind is to go to the pub. Almost any activity I do with my mates involves going to the pub at some stage.

Also, my income is usually used to pay off digs etc and the rest is for nights out that month. Similar to my paper round.

I suspect my attitude would be worlds apart from someone who never got drunk every weekend from the age of 14/15.

The longest I have went without a drink since I was that age in 25 days. I tried to go a whole month without drinking and it never worked. For perspective, I'm 24 in 3 months time.

Interesting post. I'll compare since I'll be 24 in mid October.

I started working in the pub trade at 13, as basically a weekend job. I basically gave up my Weekend nights to have money to watch Hibs. I never drank underage at all, except for a couple of shadies to 'try it' with my folks.

I was 18 before I even tried to buy a pint in a pub. I still work in the trade and although not tee-total, I don't do that much drinking. I can sit in the pub with mates and drink juice when I don't feel like a beer. I only drink, drinks I like, rather than stuff its 'cool' to drink.

Furthermore, I often take my car on nights out so that I have a ready made 'excuse' not to drink, given some mates attitudes to drink. I rarely drink in the house, and never drink on my own. I've worked in different types of pubs, with different types of customers. I've seen 40 year old women unable to count the change in their hand through drunkeness, suddenly become frantic and aggressive because I've said no to serving them.

Alcohol is a blight on society, I make a living off the trade, but the food industry is very much the way it is going now. There are issues with the new laws, but anything which incourages change is a good thing I think.

[Woody1985]

Interesting post. I'll compare since I'll be 24 in mid October.

I started working in the pub trade at 13, as basically a weekend job. I basically gave up my Weekend nights to have money to watch Hibs. I never drank underage at all, except for a couple of shadies to 'try it' with my folks.

I was 18 before I even tried to buy a pint in a pub. I still work in the trade and although not tee-total, I don't do that much drinking. I can sit in the pub with mates and drink juice when I don't feel like a beer. I only drink, drinks I like, rather than stuff its 'cool' to drink.

Furthermore, I often take my car on nights out so that I have a ready made 'excuse' not to drink, given some mates attitudes to drink. I rarely drink in the house, and never drink on my own. I've worked in different types of pubs, with different types of customers. I've seen 40 year old women unable to count the change in their hand through drunkeness, suddenly become frantic and aggressive because I've said no to serving them.

Alcohol is a blight on society, I make a living off the trade, but the food industry is very much the way it is going now. There are issues with the new laws, but anything which incourages change is a good thing I think.

Nice to see a comparison.

Some more info.

I was drinking in the pub from 16 (via fake ID).

I can't sit in the pub with my mates without drinking. Things off the top of my head.


Never really seem in the mood when all my mates are having a few and having a laugh. Personality possibly to blame?
My mates give it, just have a few pints and then go hame ya poof. This doesn't bother me as I make my own choices in life and am never swayed by what others think. Therefore, I wouldn't count peer pressure as one. I also do this to my mates when they come out without drinking.
There's only so much fresh orange a guy can drink before needing a pint.
I also only drink what I want to drink, usually a pint or vodka lemonade. Again, I'm not swayed by what others seem to think i.e Jack Daniels etc. All my mates drink vodka or pints anyway.
I don't drink in my house. The only exception is if I've been out and am close to mine. I might go home for one or two but usually by that time I've had enough and want to go to my bed.

I never take the car when I go out as I know it'll end up getting abandoned. The one time I did take my car and go to a nightclub without drinking (due to finances) I managed to park on a double yellow where all the parking spaces are next to Cav. There was construction work to the right of the space I was in and a legitimate space to the left. I though it would be fine to park there til 3 as there was no obstruction. But no, some **** polis put a ticket on my car. Therefore, my cheap night turned into an expensive one.

I don't drink on my own now. I went through a phase of drinking in the house after work for about 3/4 months. Usually drunk a 70cl every 2/3 days.

About 2/3 years ago I would get off at my local which is 2 bus stops before my house, go in and if no one was there have 2/3 pints maybe 2/3 times a week. If anyone was in I'd stay til 11ish.

Now, I very rarely drink during the week or on a Sunday (unless I'm still out from the night before). The main reason is I can't get up for work and once I've had a pint that's me usually out for the night.

Just a quick look at my salaries over the last 7 years I reckon I've spent between 30k and 40k on nights out in that time. Obviously not all on drink but costs associated with nights out.

[Just Jimmy]

Nice to see a comparison.

Some more info.

I was drinking in the pub from 16 (via fake ID).

I can't sit in the pub with my mates without drinking. Things off the top of my head.


Never really seem in the mood when all my mates are having a few and having a laugh. Personality possibly to blame?
My mates give it, just have a few pints and then go hame ya poof. This doesn't bother me as I make my own choices in life and am never swayed by what others think. Therefore, I wouldn't count peer pressure as one. I also do this to my mates when they come out without drinking.
There's only so much fresh orange a guy can drink before needing a pint.
I also only drink what I want to drink, usually a pint or vodka lemonade. Again, I'm not swayed by what others seem to think i.e Jack Daniels etc. All my mates drink vodka or pints anyway.
I don't drink in my house. The only exception is if I've been out and am close to mine. I might go home for one or two but usually by that time I've had enough and want to go to my bed.

I never take the car when I go out as I know it'll end up getting abandoned. The one time I did take my car and go to a nightclub without drinking (due to finances) I managed to park on a double yellow where all the parking spaces are next to Cav. There was construction work to the right of the space I was in and a legitimate space to the left. I though it would be fine to park there til 3 as there was no obstruction. But no, some **** polis put a ticket on my car. Therefore, my cheap night turned into an expensive one.

I don't drink on my own now. I went through a phase of drinking in the house after work for about 3/4 months. Usually drunk a 70cl every 2/3 days.

About 2/3 years ago I would get off at my local which is 2 bus stops before my house, go in and if no one was there have 2/3 pints maybe 2/3 times a week. If anyone was in I'd stay til 11ish.

Now, I very rarely drink during the week or on a Sunday (unless I'm still out from the night before). The main reason is I can't get up for work and once I've had a pint that's me usually out for the night.

Just a quick look at my salaries over the last 7 years I reckon I've spent between 30k and 40k on nights out in that time. Obviously not all on drink but costs associated with nights out.

Thing is, you've obviously noticed there are issues in terms of your drinking habits. By that I don't mean you have a problem etc, but you have noticed things that you need to change to 'improve' the way you drink. That's a good thing.

Drinking in its self is not an issue. It's the way we drink, how much and how often. Also the way it makes us act. a few pints, a few nights a week with mates is ok. The problems start when you cannot make work or cannot perform for work for example. You mention this yourself of course.

I'd ask (if it's not too personal), what your other interests are? Do you go to football to meet mates and have a beer? or to watch Hibs? For me it was always about Hibs rather than the social side. That was only a bonus.

Do you have other hobbies outside work, other than drinking or the pub? I may well have been different had I not been involved in the trade from a young age. Neither of my folks are particularly big drinkers either. They'd go out for meals rather than the pub etc.

[Woody1985]

Thing is, you've obviously noticed there are issues in terms of your drinking habits. By that I don't mean you have a problem etc, but you have noticed things that you need to change to 'improve' the way you drink. That's a good thing.

Drinking in its self is not an issue. It's the way we drink, how much and how often. Also the way it makes us act. a few pints, a few nights a week with mates is ok. The problems start when you cannot make work or cannot perform for work for example. You mention this yourself of course.

I'd ask (if it's not too personal), what your other interests are? Do you go to football to meet mates and have a beer? or to watch Hibs? For me it was always about Hibs rather than the social side. That was only a bonus.

Do you have other hobbies outside work, other than drinking or the pub? I may well have been different had I not been involved in the trade from a young age. Neither of my folks are particularly big drinkers either. They'd go out for meals rather than the pub etc.

I certainly have realised that although I still drink too much. Although I don't let it interfere with work.

I work in an area that depends on attention to detail, meeting senior people across the business and dealing with 3rd parties and wouldn't jeopordise my position for it.

Up until about a season ago I was captain of my football team and then jacked it in so I could go out on Fridays.
Also had other, erm, habits, which led to me quitting football.

Still play 5s/7s 2/3 times a week though (been out injured the last 2/3 months with ligament damage, ironically, from slipping on a pub step when wrecked!).

I only got to between 4/6 games a season due to the cost. Although if I never spent so much going out I'd be able to go more often.

Usually just go to the GFs after my work/football and generally don't do much else during the week.

My mum doesn't drink and had her first drink in years when I was recently in Tenerife so it doesn't come from her.

Maybe coming from Gilmerton is a factor. :LOL:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Maybe coming from Gilmerton is a factor. :LOL:

Tried that one myself. When I lived in Trinity I realised I was drinking more than the typical middle class man. There was only one answer, I moved to Fife, and now my drinking habits are well within average consumption.

Simples!

[Killiehibbie]

Tried that one myself. When I lived in Trinity I realised I was drinking more than the typical middle class man. There was only one answer, I moved to Fife, and now my drinking habits are well within average consumption.

Simples!

Everybody move to Newcastle you'd be almost teetotal in comparison with less than 100 units a week.:greengrin

[The_Todd]

Stop the youngsters getting hold of drink and you'll erradicate most of the problems IMHO. Give the people selling the drink hefty penalties, jail sentences etc and we'll soon see it stop. Harsher penalties for people buying them the drink. If we had the balls to do that then we'd start seeing the benefit.

Better would be allow them to drink under adult supervision.

In foreign cultures, youngsters drink wine with their meals with the adults. Don't withhold the alcohol - they'll want it more.

Teach them to respect the alcohol and use it wisely. Let's follow in the footsteps of nations which don't have the same problems, there's no shame in learning from others.

[Onceinawhile]

I've definitely read somewhere that working women are amongst the biggest offenders for drinking too much. Although I don't think they 'binge' as such

I've read that as well. 1 or 2 glasses of wine a day after work and a bottle or two at the weekend, easily add up.