French ban for the Burkini

[Toaods]

http://news.uk.msn.com/world/article.aspx?cp-documentid=149150998


I'm no fan of this particular fashionwear but surely it's more hygenic than some French git pissing in the water...:greengrin

[s.a.m]

Curiously, French public pools have very specific rules about swim wear in the name of hygiene and public health. Men have to wear swimming trunks - swimming shorts are forbidden, and they will cheerfully chuck out non-compliers. I asked a french person: well......it's just more hygienic, non?

How?

[da-robster]

If the burkini is a public health risk then it should be banned no matter how important it is to the religion you can not endanger others by practicing your own religion.There's no two ways about it.

If however it isn't then this is needless and cruel discrimination by the french government. Personallly I think we need to wait to see wheather it is or isn't a health risk before we jump to conclusions.

[Jay]

Am I missing something? How could it be unhygenic and a risk to the public? :confused:

[PeeJay]

Am I missing something? How could it be unhygenic and a risk to the public? :confused:

"...Women must wear swimsuits and men must wear brief trunks rather than shorts, which are said to be more likely to harbour bacteria."

Now I don't recall hearing/reading that males were all up in arms because they couldn't wear shorts! Rules are rules! If women wish to swim: wear a swimsuit!

If you ask me, this has nothing to do with hygiene or 'covering up': this is yet another example of a concerted campaign by Islamists to have laws changed to suit them. Of course it's done up to suggest some poor wee woman is being unfairly picked on: plain nonsense!

[Jay]

"...Women must wear swimsuits and men must wear brief trunks rather than shorts, which are said to be more likely to harbour bacteria."

Now I don't recall hearing/reading that males were all up in arms because they couldn't wear shorts! Rules are rules! If women wish to swim: wear a swimsuit!

If you ask me, this has nothing to do with hygiene or 'covering up': this is yet another example of a concerted campaign by Islamists to have laws changed to suit them. Of course it's done up to suggest some poor wee woman is being unfairly picked on: plain nonsense!

I get that thats what 'they' are saying but I dont get how it can be? It looks like its made of the same sort of stuff the kids wear on holiday, the sunscreen stuff like a rash vest. Surely a clean one of them cant be more of a risk than the human body uncovered can it? Dont get the shorts v trunks theory either. Is there proof anywhere or do 'they' just say it?

[PeeJay]

I get that thats what 'they' are saying but I dont get how it can be? It looks like its made of the same sort of stuff the kids wear on holiday, the sunscreen stuff like a rash vest. Surely a clean one of them cant be more of a risk than the human body uncovered can it? Dont get the shorts v trunks theory either. Is there proof anywhere or do 'they' just say it?

In Germany we have similar rules. For example, youngsters are not allowed to jump into pools with T-shirts on or particular shorts with pockets and so on. I think part of the problem is, e.g. if one says it is OK for kids with T-shirts to use the pool, then it becomes OK for anything, because "... he/she can do it, so I want to" and then, lets face it, everything goes.

Hygiene is put forward as an excuse and I guess with reference to T-shirts, shorts with pockets and so on that's understandable - the Burkini then falls into that category, so it's out.


If you loook around Europe you will note that this topic is causing problems everywhere, because (I feel) Islamists are simply boosting their attempts at forcing local rules and regulations to be adapted to suit their particular needs - not what I understand 'integration' to be.

[Phil D. Rolls]

It looks like a bloody stupid piece of swim wear to me. Anyone pick up on the fact the women is a "convert", aren't they always the most devout in any religion?

[hibsdaft]

funnily enough Filled Rolls there was a statistic broadcast on French news recently on TV5 that there were only 123 women in France who wore the full Burqa and apparently most were indeed converts.

personally i don't understand why this is a news story in France let alone the UK. some village mayor has banned an item of clothing on account of hygene, right or wrong who gives one?

its typical of today that any story about muslims is immediately a hysteria or subject to an "important public debate" and its almost always our media that are driving this rather than the rest of us or indeed muslims themselves. like this story here, these cases are often matters the media would not have been remotely interested in ten years ago but suddenly they are are top of the agenda.

we heard a lot about the French banning the hijab in public buildings for example and this was reported as being some bold/nasty anti-muslim measure when in fact most French muslims actually supported it because they appreciate and enjoy French secularism.

the result of all these idiotic stories is that more and more i hear people complaining about how muslims are always offended and everyone is walking on eggshells because of them.

granted theres been plenty wacko's kicking off about geeky religious squabbles like the Satanic Verses but many of these stories are driven by the media rather than muslims or non-muslims.

sadly its just another example of the media reporting all that is unimportant in the grand scheme of things these days imo. anything but seriousness.

[ArabHibee]

funnily enough Filled Rolls there was a statistic broadcast on French news recently on TV5 that there were only 123 women in France who wore the full Burqa and apparently most were indeed converts.

personally i don't understand why this is a news story in France let alone the UK. some village mayor has banned an item of clothing on account of hygene, right or wrong who gives one?

its typical of today that any story about muslims is immediately a hysteria or subject to an "important public debate" and its almost always our media that are driving this rather than the rest of us or indeed muslims themselves. like this story here, these cases are often matters the media would not have been remotely interested in ten years ago but suddenly they are are top of the agenda.

we heard a lot about the French banning the hijab in public buildings for example and this was reported as being some bold/nasty anti-muslim measure when in fact most French muslims actually supported it because they appreciate and enjoy French secularism.

the result of all these idiotic stories is that more and more i hear people complaining about how muslims are always offended and everyone is walking on eggshells because of them.

granted theres been plenty wacko's kicking off about geeky religious squabbles like the Satanic Verses but many of these stories are driven by the media rather than muslims or non-muslims.

sadly its just another example of the media reporting all that is unimportant in the grand scheme of things these days imo. anything but seriousness.
:top marksGood post.

[da-robster]

Slightly related article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8234359.stm

It really annoys me that just because they believe that some right wing nutter is not getting punished fairly for sectarianism they think they can insult a relegion lie about the most horrendous massacre of all time and then come out with a childish we don't believe it but it's ok because another idiot is getting away with it. I would not be suprised if double standards are being applied and that would be horrible, but to attack jews in this way is childish, pointless, an insult to every single person who died in the holocaust and most of all wrong.