Haggis "English Dish"

[Hannah_hfc]

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8180791.stm)

Just seen a rather smug sounding headline on this on the ITV news

I also recall a claim a few years back that Lasagna was an english dish as well :rolleyes:

[McSwanky]

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8180791.stm)

Just seen a rather smug sounding headline on this on the ITV news

I also recall a claim a few years back that Lasagna was an english dish as well :rolleyes:

Lasagna probably is.

Lasagne, on the other hand...... :wink:

[ArabHibee]

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8180791.stm)

Just seen a rather smug sounding headline on this on the ITV news

I also recall a claim a few years back that Lasagna was an english dish as well :rolleyes:

Just saw that as well.

The English invented everything, doncha know?
:rules:

[Hannah_hfc]

Lasagna probably is.

Lasagne, on the other hand...... :wink:

:greengrin

If theres ever been a word i always forget how to spell

[Hibbyradge]

Does it matter who invented it?

:dunno:

[Gatecrasher]

Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8180791.stm)

Just seen a rather smug sounding headline on this on the ITV news

I also recall a claim a few years back that Lasagna was an english dish as well :rolleyes:


well, theres a change,

[Beefster]

I thought it was mildly pathetic when I read the Scottish champion haggis catcher getting upset about it in the BBC article this morning.

To be fair, who cares who first cooked it when you can only catch them up north nowadays? It's like saying that pasta isn't Italian despite only growing on their trees.

[Sylar]

It seems there are foreign nationals everywhere who want to claim national ownership of something quintessentially Scottish:

Golf - both the Dutch and the Chinese claimed to invent this prior to its existence in Scotland.

Haggis - Some English woman is now claiming that Haggis isn't Scottish.

Seeing as there's a recent spate of non-Scottish nationals claiming something Scottish actually belongs to their country, I wonder which country claims origin on our benefit system?


*note, tongue firmly in cheek*

[hibsboy90]

Can we claim something off the English now? Something that people assosciate with England......

Morris Dancing :wink::jamboak:

[LancashireHibby]

To be fair, who cares who first cooked it when you can only catch them up north nowadays? It's like saying that pasta isn't Italian despite only growing on their trees.

Or in the chilled section of Morrison's in Wigan :wink:

[J-C]

I think you'll find that a lot of coutries have dishes similar to haggis as it's a very basic easy food to prepare.

[edit (http://www.hibs.net/w/index.php?title=Haggis&action=edit&section=1)] History

Haggis is popularly assumed to be of Scottish, but there is a lack of historical evidence that could conclusively attribute its origins to any one place or nation.
There is a mention of haggis in the Scottish poem the Flyting of Dunbar and Kennedy (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Flyting_of_Dunbar_and_Kennedy) which is dated before 1520 (the generally accepted date for William Dunbar (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/William_Dunbar)'s death). The first printed recipe for haggis appears in 1615. “The English Huswife” by Gervase Markham (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Gervase_Markham) contains a section relating to haggis, entitled “Skill in Oate meale”. Markham refers to “the use and vertues of these two severall kinds of Oate-meales in maintaining the Family, they are so many (according to the many customes of many Nations) that it is almost impossible to recken all;” and then proceeds to give a description of “oat-meale mixed with blood, and the Liver of either Sheepe, Calfe or Swine, maketh that pudding which is called the Haggas or Haggus, of whose goodnesse it is in vaine to boast, because there is hardly to be found a man that doth not affect them” [2] (http://www.hibs.net/message/#cite_note-1).
Although there is no precise date for the first preparation of Haggis, the earliest recorded consumption of the related French dish Andouillette (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Andouillette) can be traced back to an actual date in the ninth century - it was served at the coronation of King Louis II in Troyes on the 7th September 878[3] (http://www.hibs.net/message/#cite_note-2) [4] (http://www.hibs.net/message/#cite_note-3).
Food writer Alan Davidson (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Alan_Davidson_(food_writer)) goes back further, stating that the Ancient Romans (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Ancient_Rome) were the first people known to have made products of the haggis type.[5] (http://www.hibs.net/message/#cite_note-4) Even earlier, a kind of primitive haggis is referred to in Homer (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Homer)'s Odyssey (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Odyssey), in book 20, (towards the end of the eighth century BC) when Odysseus (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Odysseus) is compared to "a man before a great blazing fire turning swiftly this way and that a stomach full of fat and blood, very eager to have it roasted quickly". Haggis was "born of necessity, as a way to utilize the least expensive cuts of meat and the innards as well" (Andrew Zimmern (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Andrew_Zimmern)). Since the internal organs rapidly perish, it is likely that haggis like preparations have been around since pre-history.
Clarissa Dickson Wright (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Clarissa_Dickson_Wright) also repudiates the assumption of a Scottish origin for haggis, claiming that it "came to Scotland in a longship (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Longship) even before Scotland was a single nation."[6] (http://www.hibs.net/message/#cite_note-5) Dickson-Wright further cites etymologist Walter William Skeat (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Walter_William_Skeat) as further suggestion of possible Scandinavian origins: Skeat claimed that the [I]hag– part of the word is derived from the Old Norse (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Old_Norse) hoggva or the Old Icelandic (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Icelandic_language) haggw[7] (http://www.hibs.net/message/#cite_note-6) (höggva in modern Icelandic[8] (http://www.hibs.net/message/#cite_note-7)), meaning 'to hew' or strike with a sharp weapon, relating to the chopped-up contents of the dish. One theory claims that the name "haggis" is derived from Norman French. Norman French was more guttural (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Guttural) than normal French so that the "ch" of "hachis", i.e. "chopped", was pronounced as the "ch" in "loch", giving "haggis". This conjecture, however, is discredited by the Oxford English Dictionary (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Oxford_English_Dictionary).[9] (http://www.hibs.net/message/#cite_note-8)
Dickson Wright suggests that haggis was invented as a way of cooking quick-spoiling offal (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Offal) near the site of a hunt, without the need to carry along an additional cooking vessel. The liver and kidneys could be grilled (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Grill) directly over a fire, but this treatment was unsuitable for the stomach, intestines, or lungs. Chopping up the lungs and stuffing the stomach with them and whatever fillers might have been on hand, then boiling the assembly — likely in a vessel made from the animal's hide (http://www.hibs.net/wiki/Animal%27s_hide) — was one way to make sure these parts did not go to waste.[10] (http://www.hibs.net/message/#cite_note-9)

[Phil D. Rolls]

There's people, they get hungry, they look around for stuff to cook, and they invent recipies. Food belongs to the people not to nations.

Me and the missus take in language students from all over, whether they are Italian, French, Spanish or Czech, their culture has a similar dish to Haggis.