The Met Office - Why bother?

[IWasThere2016]

After a near month of pizzing rain the morons at the Met Office nows says it won't be a 'barbeque summer'.

NO SH|T! :grr:

That mob are by some way the most pointless and useless waste of tax-payers' money!

Should be the first public 'service' to be culled in the cutbacks likely from 2010 onwards .. UTTERLY UTTERLY USELESS!!! :bye:

They do ma heid in! P45s please! :bye:

[Betty Boop]

After a near month of pizzing rain the morons at the Met Office nows says it won't be a 'barbeque summer'.

NO SH|T! :grr:

That mob are by some way the most pointless and useless waste of tax-payers' money!

Should be the first public 'service' to be culled in the cutbacks likely from 2010 onwards .. UTTERLY UTTERLY USELESS!!! :bye:

They do ma heid in! P45s please! :bye:
Thank goodness I will be away to Egypt in a couple of hours, lots of lovely sunshine! See you all in a couple of weeks!! :bye:

[IWasThere2016]

Thank goodness I will be away to Egypt in a couple of hours, lots of lovely sunshine! See you all in a couple of weeks!! :bye:

And the revise their forecasts and things pick-up .. TOTALLY INCOMPETENT CLOWNS! :agree:

[McSwanky]

And the revise their forecasts and things pick-up .. TOTALLY INCOMPETENT CLOWNS! :agree:

It's a FORECAST. The clue's in the word.... :thumbsup:

I didn't hear any of these 'incompetent clowns' stating that there was no doubt that it would be a 'barbequeue summer' - maybe you need to look at where you're getting your info from... Sky and BBC getting a bit carried away by a prediction??? Surely not...

Have you noticed by the way that their short range forecasts are pretty much spot on these days?

[hibsbollah]

They said there was a 65% chance of a hot summer. Which means they were spot on, it fell within the 35% cohort, well within their statistical range:thumbsup:

:wink:

[Tomsk]

It's a FORECAST. The clue's in the word.... :thumbsup:

I didn't hear any of these 'incompetent clowns' stating that there was no doubt that it would be a 'barbequeue summer' - maybe you need to look at where you're getting your info from... Sky and BBC getting a bit carried away by a prediction??? Surely not...

Have you noticed by the way that their short range forecasts are pretty much spot on these days?

No, I've not. Quite the opposite.

For instance, as late as Tuesday afternoon the Met Office was forecasting heavy rain in the Edinburgh area for Wednesday. Oops! Less than 24 hours away and they still couldn't get it right.

For various reasons I view a number of forecasts on a daily basis. In my experience the Met Office get their forecasts wrong more often than they get it right.

[McSwanky]

No, I've not. Quite the opposite.

For instance, as late as Tuesday afternoon the Met Office was forecasting heavy rain in the Edinburgh area for Wednesday. Oops! Less than 24 hours away and they still couldn't get it right.

For various reasons I view a number of forecasts on a daily basis. In my experience the Met Office get their forecasts wrong more often than they get it right.

Strange, any time I've compared recently they've been on the mark.

Let's have a look for the next couple of days (we'll just do the day time as although I am likely to be up during the night, I shall be mainly trying to calm a crying baby, not checking the weather):

Met Office forecast for Edinburgh at 9:40am Thurs):

Thurs 10am: Suny intervals
Thurs 1pm: Light shower
Thurs 4pm: Sunny intervals
Thurs 7pm: Sunny intervals

Fri 7am: Sunny
Fri 10am: Sunny intervals
Fri 1pm: Sunny intervals
Fri 4pm: Light rain
Fri 7pm: Light rain

Let's see how we get on! (Bearing in mind showers could be anywhere in the Edinburgh area, not just where I happen to be :wink:)

[Tomsk]

Strange, any time I've compared recently they've been on the mark.

Let's have a look for the next couple of days (we'll just do the day time as although I am likely to be up during the night, I shall be mainly trying to calm a crying baby, not checking the weather):

Met Office forecast for Edinburgh at 9:40am Thurs):

Thurs 10am: Suny intervals
Thurs 1pm: Light shower
Thurs 4pm: Sunny intervals
Thurs 7pm: Sunny intervals

Fri 7am: Sunny
Fri 10am: Sunny intervals
Fri 1pm: Sunny intervals
Fri 4pm: Light rain
Fri 7pm: Light rain

Let's see how we get on! (Bearing in mind showers could be anywhere in the Edinburgh area, not just where I happen to be :wink:)


Feel free. But I should say I have been following forecasts for several years and I can assure you the Met is more wrong than right.

By way of comparison try http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/HOME/ whose forecasting I find to be more right than wrong.

[Woody1985]

It can be quite hard though because rain doesn't suddenly pound down all over Edinburgh at the same time.

A week last Thursday I was at Saughton enclosure and between 19:00 & 20:00 there was rain like I've rarely seen before (only recently). It was like a tropical storm with thunder and lightning (it wasn't cold).

I drove back to Gilmerton about 20:15 and was suprised to see that the streets were dry and there wasn't a hint of rain. It didn't rain that night either.

That's only a difference of around 5 miles or so.

[Twa Cairpets]

if any of you ever go hill walking, I can completely recommend this site Mountain Weather Information Service (http://www.mwis.org.uk/). For 1-2 days ahead I've found it pretty much spot on every time (the pdf downloads are the easiest way of looking at them)

[McSwanky]

Feel free. But I should say I have been following forecasts for several years and I can assure you the Met is more wrong than right.

By way of comparison try http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/HOME/ whose forecasting I find to be more right than wrong.

You're starting to sound like Tony Mowbray! :wink:

NB 10am prediction seems ok to me, but they should bloomin well be right with 15 minutes notice.... :greengrin

[Tomsk]

It can be quite hard though because rain doesn't suddenly pound down all over Edinburgh at the same time.

A week last Thursday I was at Saughton enclosure and between 19:00 & 20:00 there was rain like I've rarely seen before (only recently). It was like a tropical storm with thunder and lightning (it wasn't cold).

I drove back to Gilmerton about 20:15 and was suprised to see that the streets were dry and there wasn't a hint of rain. It didn't rain that night either.

That's only a difference of around 5 miles or so.

I too was caught out in that rain, Woody. And it was weather not forecast by the Met Office.

The rain was alomost Biblical.

[Tomsk]

You're starting to sound like Tony Mowbray! :wink:

NB 10am prediction seems ok to me, but they should bloomin well be right with 15 minutes notice.... :greengrin

There is hope. :wink:

(I confess to being a severe anarok when it comes to weather forecasts. :nerd:)

[RyeSloan]

Ha ha lets face it humans are a long long way from being able to predict nature to any certain degree so to lambast the met office as useless is a bit much.

Personally I find the short range forecasts to be pretty good, OK the timing may be a bit out but predicting the exact speed of a weather front the size of the UK is simply not possible. However it is clear to see that radar and other technology has greatly improved their ability to see and size weather fronts and their contents...the models they then use to predict their movement are just that models but again I would say that the weather forecast is generally pretty informative and very rarely significantly wrong.

Finally weather can and is very local on occasion so stating showers for Edinburgh can mean showers for certian areas not the whole place...other weather systems are much more all encompassing so say a prediction of heavy driving rain for the east of Scotland would almost certainly mean you will have to suffer a wet day indeed.

[Danderhall Hibs]

They're just guessing - I've no idea why anyone would take anything these poeple say as fact. I don't know why so much time is given to them on TV and I've no idea why so many people just blindly believe what they say! If someone tells me something and are wrong 50% off the time I stop listening.

[stu in nottingham]

...but they should bloomin well be right with 15 minutes notice.... :greengrin

I think that this is what confounds me about weather 'forecasts' the most. So many times I hear of what the conditions are like NOW and it's wrong. This includes live local TV and Radio broadcasts. Many's the time when I've been informed that my area is experiencing heavy/light rain when it's perfectly sunny outside, or vise versa.

I get outside a lot. I run and/or walk every day and I reckon stepping outside in my back garden beforehand and taking a look at the sky, feeling the temperature and wind etc is as reliable as anything. You get a sixth sense for these things when you're outside plenty. Certainly as decent a short term local forecast as anything else you're likely to receive.

[(((Fergus)))]

It's a FORECAST. The clue's in the word.... :thumbsup:

I didn't hear any of these 'incompetent clowns' stating that there was no doubt that it would be a 'barbequeue summer' - maybe you need to look at where you're getting your info from... Sky and BBC getting a bit carried away by a prediction??? Surely not...

Have you noticed by the way that their short range forecasts are pretty much spot on these days?

To be fair, the TV forecasters do like to give the impression they have powers of clairvoyance: "if you're heading to Cornwall this afternoon, don't forget to take your sun cream and shades."

[McSwanky]

Thurs 1pm: Light shower

Sunny here just now, but was raining a bit about 20 minutes ago. That's a light shower in my book! :thumbsup:

[col02]

I would wager the forecasts for London always tend to be more on the money that other parts of the country.:devil:

[McSwanky]

To be fair, the TV forecasters do like to give the impression they have powers of clairvoyance: "if you're heading to Cornwall this afternoon, don't forget to take your sun cream and shades."

Now, this is the bit I'm not sure of.

The likes of the 'lovely' Carol Kirkwood or 'cheeky' Thomas Schafernaker, who employs them? Are they employed by the BBC or by the Met Office (the BBC weather is just the Met Office weather, right??) Are they actually meteorologists, or merely television presenters?

I think BBC weathermen/women used to be qualified meteorologists, but I have no idea if that's still the case or not.

[ScottB]

Predicting more than a few days ahead is very difficult. These 'hot summer' forecasts are probably forced out by the government / business interests to keep people here for holiday and spending cash.

To be fair to them, there has been fairly large spells of sunshine and it has been much warmer than the last 2 summers were. Though I would expect thanks to climate change, this is what our summers will look like from now on...

[RyeSloan]

I think that this is what confounds me about weather 'forecasts' the most. So many times I hear of what the conditions are like NOW and it's wrong. This includes live local TV and Radio broadcasts. Many's the time when I've been informed that my area is experiencing heavy/light rain when it's perfectly sunny outside, or vise versa.

I get outside a lot. I run and/or walk every day and I reckon stepping outside in my back garden beforehand and taking a look at the sky, feeling the temperature and wind etc is as reliable as anything. You get a sixth sense for these things when you're outside plenty. Certainly as decent a short term local forecast as anything else you're likely to receive.

Weather is measured at weather stations...not likely or possible for one to be in everyones back garden.

As stated before it's more than possible for it to be raining in one area of edinburgh and perfectly sunny in another. Snow is a perfect example...plenty of times in certain areas of Edinbrugh there can be a significant snowfall while others are only rained on or even dry.

Weather forecasts by their very nature are 'best guesses' and generalisations but using Nimrods post to see if it was accurate for today I would say the forecast has been pretty accurate for Edinburgh today so far!!

[Tomsk]

Sunny here just now, but was raining a bit about 20 minutes ago. That's a light shower in my book! :thumbsup:

:faf:

It's been bucketing down from about 10.20 to up until about 12.30. And sunny ever since.

The Met was also forecasting 17mph winds with 34 mph gusts. Where are these winds?

[McSwanky]

:faf:

It's been bucketing down from about 10.20 to up until about 12.30. And sunny ever since.

The Met was also forecasting 17mph winds with 34 mph gusts. Where are these winds?

It;s pretty windy over here. Are you sure you're in Edinburgh? :greengrin

[Twa Cairpets]

Now, this is the bit I'm not sure of.

The likes of the 'lovely' Carol Kirkwood or 'cheeky' Thomas Schafernaker, who employs them? Are they employed by the BBC or by the Met Office (the BBC weather is just the Met Office weather, right??) Are they actually meteorologists, or merely television presenters?

I think BBC weathermen/women used to be qualified meteorologists, but I have no idea if that's still the case or not.

I know the answer to this one. Bill Giles was on the radio yesterday and was asked this question. And the answer is...

Yes, all the BBC Weathermen/women are qualified meteorologists

[McSwanky]

I know the answer to this one. Bill Giles was on the radio yesterday and was asked this question. And the answer is...

Yes, all the BBC Weathermen/women are qualified meteorologists

Magic, thanks for that. I'm going to assume GMTV don't adopt the same 'policy' on weather presenters! :wink:

[Tomsk]

It;s pretty windy over here. Are you sure you're in Edinburgh? :greengrin

Em, just about. I'm at the Gyle. :wink:

[McSwanky]

Em, just about. I'm at the Gyle. :wink:

:faf:

I'm about 2 miles away from you! And you say it was bucketing down for 2 hours? My, that's a very localised shower!

[RyeSloan]

Em, just about. I'm at the Gyle. :wink:

Point proven then...a few showers, a couple quite heavy down Easter Road way but not bucketing for two hours.

Both could be classed as 'Edinburgh' but both seem to have had quite different weather!

[Tomsk]

Point proven then...a few showers, a couple quite heavy down Easter Road way but not bucketing for two hours.

Both could be classed as 'Edinburgh' but both seem to have had quite different weather!

Uh huh! But the Met Office invites you to put in your post code for a pin point accurate service. :greengrin

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:faf:

I'm about 2 miles away from you! And you say it was bucketing down for 2 hours? My, that's a very localised shower!

It was too ... well, maybe no bucketing. :tee hee:


EDIT: I responded to two posts at once. How did I do that?

[McSwanky]

It was too ... well, maybe no bucketing.

...so are you now going to admit that it's actually quite windy as well? :wink:

[Speedy]

They said there was a 65% chance of a hot summer. Which means they were spot on, it fell within the 35% cohort, well within their statistical range:thumbsup:

:wink:

I think they said 65% of a better than average summer i.e. 65% of better than mainly crap

[IWasThere2016]

They're just guessing - I've no idea why anyone would take anything these poeple say as fact. I don't know why so much time is given to them on TV and I've no idea why so many people just blindly believe what they say! If someone tells me something and are wrong 50% off the time I stop listening.

:agree: And we spend a bl88dy fortune to get guff!

They are of use to sailors, coastguard, farmers, climbers and booger all else!

Maybe just P45s for 50% of them! :greengrin

[Killiehibbie]

:agree: And we spend a bl88dy fortune to get guff!

They are of use to sailors, coastguard, farmers, climbers and booger all else!

Maybe just P45s for 50% of them! :greengrin

Would we not all starve if it wasn't for sailors and farmers?

[matty_f]

After a near month of pizzing rain the morons at the Met Office nows says it won't be a 'barbeque summer'.

NO SH|T! :grr:

That mob are by some way the most pointless and useless waste of tax-payers' money!

Should be the first public 'service' to be culled in the cutbacks likely from 2010 onwards .. UTTERLY UTTERLY USELESS!!! :bye:

They do ma heid in! P45s please! :bye:

Pot and kettle from the rumour man!!:greengrin

[stu in nottingham]

Weather is measured at weather stations...not likely or possible for one to be in everyones back garden.


Amazing fact of the day: 'weather is measured at weather stations'. :wink:

I have a weather station around three miles from my own back garden. As far as I'm aware we share the same sky though, as well as very local proximity.

[DaveF]

Uh huh! But the Met Office invites you to put in your post code for a pin point accurate service. :greengrin

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It was too ... well, maybe no bucketing. :tee hee:


EDIT: I responded to two posts at once. How did I do that?

It's a little board tweak :greengrin

Anyway, how's the weather now?

[Tomsk]

It's a little board tweak :greengrin

Anyway, how's the weather now?

Gonna tell us how? Cos I did it by mistake. :boo hoo:

[DaveF]

Gonna tell us how? Cos I did it by mistake. :boo hoo:

If you submit a post and then post again within a set time frame (2 mins I think?) before anyone else posts, the board will merge your posts.

Helps keeps things tidy. Apparently :greengrin

[IWasThere2016]

Would we not all starve if it wasn't for sailors and farmers?

1) I don't make a living from it :greengrin and 2) I'd give up if my perfromance was comparable to the MET :cool2:

[ArabHibee]

It's a FORECAST. The clue's in the word.... :thumbsup:

I didn't hear any of these 'incompetent clowns' stating that there was no doubt that it would be a 'barbequeue summer' - maybe you need to look at where you're getting your info from... Sky and BBC getting a bit carried away by a prediction??? Surely not...

Have you noticed by the way that their short range forecasts are pretty much spot on these days?[/QUOTE]
:agree: Definitely better than it used to be. Still think American forecasting was ahead of ours.

[QUOTE=Nimrod;2113307]Now, this is the bit I'm not sure of.

The likes of the 'lovely' Carol Kirkwood or 'cheeky' Thomas Schafernaker, who employs them? Are they employed by the BBC or by the Met Office (the BBC weather is just the Met Office weather, right??) Are they actually meteorologists, or merely television presenters?

I think BBC weathermen/women used to be qualified meteorologists, but I have no idea if that's still the case or not.
Someone has already confirmed this but I read an article in which Carol Kirkwood confirmed she was employed by the Met Office. I think someone had asked her if she got her clothes from the BBC. :confused:


Magic, thanks for that. I'm going to assume GMTV don't adopt the same 'policy' on weather presenters! :wink:
I would also assume that Sean and JJ's wife (ex-disney presenter) aren't trained meterologists either!

[McSwanky]

Thurs 4pm: Sunny intervals
Thurs 7pm: Sunny intervals

Fri 7am: Sunny

Sorry about the delay folks, I didn't have time to update last night. :greengrin

Thurs 4pm (West Edinburgh) - unbroken sunshine
Thursday 7pm (Musselburgh) - unbroken sunshine

Friday 7am (Musselburgh) - unbroken sunshine

I don't think that's too bad... Roll on 10am for your next update!! :bitchy:

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I'd give up if my perfromance was comparable to the MET :cool2:

I bet you would. :rolleyes:

[McSwanky]

Fri 10am: Sunny intervals

:thumbsup:Was a bit cloudy at 9:30, but has been sunny ever since.

Is anyone else but me at all interested in my highly scientific experiment? Thought not. :greengrin

[Tomsk]

:thumbsup:Was a bit cloudy at 9:30, but has been sunny ever since.

Is anyone else but me at all interested in my highly scientific experiment? Thought not. :greengrin

I am. I will be following with interest. :nerd:

But it needs to be said that yesterday's forecast was not as accurate as you are making out. It was raining steadily (not showers) between 10.30 and 12 noon yesterday, not sunny intervals. And it was cloudy at 1.00pm, not showers.

They were also predicting fairly high winds and strong gusts in the evening, neither of which transpired.

For the Met their forecast was actually quite accurate. :greengrin

[McSwanky]

But it needs to be said that yesterday's forecast was not as accurate as you are making out. It was raining steadily (not showers) between 10.30 and 12 noon yesterday, not sunny intervals. And it was cloudy at 1.00pm, not showers.

Maybe where you are. 3 points though.

1. It was not raining steadily where I was, nor in Leith as per post #29
2. I witnessed a shower at around 12:45, surely that's close enough to 1pm?
3. You've already shown yourself up as being "economical with the truth" in post #30 :wink: so why should I or anyone believe anything you say? :devil:

[Tomsk]

Maybe where you are. 3 points though.

1. It was not raining steadily where I was, nor in Leith as per post #29
2. I witnessed a shower at around 12:45, surely that's close enough to 1pm?
3. You've already shown yourself up as being "economical with the truth" in post #30 :wink: so why should I or anyone believe anything you say? :devil:

For the sake of my now tattered reputation if nothing else at post 30 I thought I was entering into the spirit of what I took to be a light-hearted thread with an attempt at self-deprecating houmour. I didn't expect it to be recorded and brought up against me in a court of law. :boo hoo: :greengrin

Just for the record, it was raining very heavily at the Gyle yesterday forenoon followed by a largely bright spell from about 12 noon onwards.

However, I won't quibble. In general terms the Met forecast a clear start to the day broken by a band of rain then followed by a bright afternoon and evening. And that's what we got. The time details were a bit off, but for the Met their forecast was a pretty accurate.

But on Wednesday, for instance, they got it totally wrong forecasting heavy rain and showers throughout the day -- not a drop did we get all day.

Keep up the good work. :wink:

[McSwanky]

Fri 1pm: Sunny intervals

Not so good this time, a bit overcast here although it was sunny at around 12:30.

Maybe this is the 4pm shower coming early? :wink:

[McSwanky]

Fri 4pm: Light rain

Not raining here, but skies are grey. Looks like it might sprinkle down soon. Maybe. But it's probably already chucking it down at the Gyle. :wink:

I'll have to mark that down as a failure for the MET this time :boo hoo:

[Danderhall Hibs]

Not raining here, but skies are grey. Looks like it might sprinkle down soon. Maybe. But it's probably already chucking it down at the Gyle. :wink:

I'll have to mark that down as a failure for the MET this time :boo hoo:


It's been pishing down in Bonnyrigg since about half 4.

What's the weather to be like overnight/tomorrow morning? The missus wants to get the washing out. :greengrin

[McSwanky]

Fri 7pm: Light rain

:hmmm: maybe slightly heavier than light, but not as heavy as heavy.... :cool2:

...and there ends my comparison. You can all draw your own conclusions cos I cannae be ersed. :greengrin

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It's been pishing down in Bonnyrigg since about half 4.

What's the weather to be like overnight/tomorrow morning? The missus wants to get the washing out. :greengrin

Rubbish. Don't even think about it. Thomas Schafernaker told me.

[lyonhibs]

Am I of the opinion that attempting to forecast the weather in Scotland is a mostly hopeless and futile task?? The weather here changes so swiftly, and there are so many incidences of highly localised weather systems - like literally 2 miles of distance equalling 2 totally different weather conditions.

Case in point, walking up the Royal Mile towards the Castle with 2 Israeli friends yesterday. In the distance between Deacon Brodie's Tavern to the castle Esplanade we had grey but dry, grey with drizzle, mental, quasi-horizontal rain, then back to grey with drizzle, then just plain overcast, then 5 minutes of sun, then it started raining again as we were leaving the Esplanade!!! All this in the space of about 30 minutes. My friends were literally scratching their heads with bemusement.

I just go out with something with a hood on it, and I know that if that temperature drops and the wind starts swirling, that we're no more than 10 minutes from rain.

[RyeSloan]

Amazing fact of the day: 'weather is measured at weather stations'. :wink:

I have a weather station around three miles from my own back garden. As far as I'm aware we share the same sky though, as well as very local proximity.


Well moaning about someone on the radio not getting the weather in your back garden right may have indicated that my amazing fact of the day was indeed required in your case :wink:

We have already shown on this thread that 3 miles is more than enough for you to experience different weather...as for sharing the same sky, course you do but it's what's in it and if it's over your garden or not that is the critical factor here!! :greengrin

[Danderhall Hibs]

Rubbish. Don't even think about it. Thomas Schafernaker told me.

We done the opposite and it's turned out well! All washing is now dry.

Thanks to the Met Office for being wrong again!

[McSwanky]

We done the opposite and it's turned out well! All washing is now dry.

Thanks to the Met Office for being wrong again!

Just goes to show, never trust a Shafernaker.

[Danderhall Hibs]

The Met Office are just guessing (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/rod_liddle/article6736209.ece)

[Betty Boop]

Hi all, posting from my hotel in Sharm el Sheikh. The weather is scorching, 41 degrees! :thumbsup:

[Killiehibbie]

Hi all, posting from my hotel in Sharm el Sheikh. The weather is scorching, 41 degrees! :thumbsup:

I don't think they have much bother forecasting the weather over there. Hot and dry maybe

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Am I of the opinion that attempting to forecast the weather in Scotland is a mostly hopeless and futile task?? The weather here changes so swiftly, and there are so many incidences of highly localised weather systems - like literally 2 miles of distance equalling 2 totally different weather conditions.

Case in point, walking up the Royal Mile towards the Castle with 2 Israeli friends yesterday. In the distance between Deacon Brodie's Tavern to the castle Esplanade we had grey but dry, grey with drizzle, mental, quasi-horizontal rain, then back to grey with drizzle, then just plain overcast, then 5 minutes of sun, then it started raining again as we were leaving the Esplanade!!! All this in the space of about 30 minutes. My friends were literally scratching their heads with bemusement.

I just go out with something with a hood on it, and I know that if that temperature drops and the wind starts swirling, that we're no more than 10 minutes from rain.

:agree:

I often use the BBC weather, but you cannot get a genuine local weather forecast. I live in Loanhead and the closest place to that on the BBC site is Leith.

The difference in the weather between the two places can be like living in different countries. In the winter we could be under 6 inches of snow in Loanhead, but in Leith it will be drizzily rain. In the summer it could be sunny here, but Leith will be under a blacket of fog.

The best thing to do in this country is to wake up in the morning and just take it from there, but still take a jacket even if the sun is shining. :greengrin

[Dashing Bob S]

In defence of them, looks like they called it right today. Might even dispense with the raincoat for ER.

They get it right when it matters.