Depends How You Look at It

[Phil D. Rolls]

I'm sure a lot of people will be familiar with this picture (http://www.uic.edu/com/eye/LearningAboutVision/EyeSite/OpticalIllustions/FaceVase.shtml). Sometimes you see a pair of faces, sometimes you see a vase, some people only see the faces, others only see the vase.

I think this is a great metaphor for our perception of the world around us. Two people can look at the same thing and have totally different opinions. Who is wrong, who is right?

I've been thinking about this a lot lately when watching the events in Iran, and I have this question. What is the difference between a woman being killed by the Iranian police, and a man being killed by the British police. Both had the misfortune to be caught in the middle of a protest against their rulers. Yet, with what seems breathtaking hypocrisy by the media, one is a martyr, and one has been completely forgotten.

How is it that clerics sitting in the Iranian parliament look like cranks, yet blokes with scarlet robes wandering about the House of Lords are cool? And why is it unacceptable for the Iranian leader to be elected with discrepancies in the count, yet it's OK for the President of the USA?

And why do they always show pictures of tough looking areas, when Iran has many beautiful parts. It's like coming to Muirhouse and basing your whole view of Scotland on what you see.

[Expecting Rain]

I'm sure a lot of people will be familiar with this picture (http://www.uic.edu/com/eye/LearningAboutVision/EyeSite/OpticalIllustions/FaceVase.shtml). Sometimes you see a pair of faces, sometimes you see a vase, some people only see the faces, others only see the vase.

I think this is a great metaphor for our perception of the world around us. Two people can look at the same thing and have totally different opinions. Who is wrong, who is right?

I've been thinking about this a lot lately when watching the events in Iran, and I have this question. What is the difference between a woman being killed by the Iranian police, and a man being killed by the British police. Both had the misfortune to be caught in the middle of a protest against their rulers. Yet, with what seems breathtaking hypocrisy by the media, one is a martyr, and one has been completely forgotten.



One man`s freedom fighter is another man`s terrorist.:agree:

[EuanH78]

The five senses that we use allow for mis-perception,

It could be argued that the only way to truly percieve something for what it is, is by conscious reasoning.

I am in a philosophical mood.

[LiverpoolHibs]

The five senses that we use allow for mis-perception,

It could be argued that the only way to truly percieve something for what it is, is by conscious reasoning.

I am in a philosophical mood.

It's suddenly got all Cartesian up in here...

:greengrin

[EuanH78]

It's suddenly got all Cartesian up in here...

:greengrin

Well, maybe not that highbrow :greengrin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQycQ8DABvc

[Phil D. Rolls]

The five senses that we use allow for mis-perception,

It could be argued that the only way to truly percieve something for what it is, is by conscious reasoning.

I am in a philosophical mood.

I was thinking more of how we see one thing, but get told we are seeing another and are made to feel stupid or mad if we don't go with the same interpretation as everyone else.

[EuanH78]

I was thinking more of how we see one thing, but get told we are seeing another and are made to feel stupid or mad if we don't go with the same interpretation as everyone else.

If I think of what I wrote in a broader concept I think it still fits,

the conscious reasoning may exist within the person, or it may be the meeting of ideas and minds in a discoursive way.

Instead of a singular mind debating internally, the debate happens externally into a wider consciousness and community.

The fundamental principle of democracy? and to touch on the thread I started today, the principle reason for the acceptance of all standpoints, the logic that consensus can only truly be achieved by examining all possible views without prejudice, distasteful or not.

:dunno:

[da-robster]

I'm sure a lot of people will be familiar with this picture (http://www.uic.edu/com/eye/LearningAboutVision/EyeSite/OpticalIllustions/FaceVase.shtml). Sometimes you see a pair of faces, sometimes you see a vase, some people only see the faces, others only see the vase.

I think this is a great metaphor for our perception of the world around us. Two people can look at the same thing and have totally different opinions. Who is wrong, who is right?

I've been thinking about this a lot lately when watching the events in Iran, and I have this question. What is the difference between a woman being killed by the Iranian police, and a man being killed by the British police. Both had the misfortune to be caught in the middle of a protest against their rulers. Yet, with what seems breathtaking hypocrisy by the media, one is a martyr, and one has been completely forgotten.

How is it that clerics sitting in the Iranian parliament look like cranks, yet blokes with scarlet robes wandering about the House of Lords are cool? And why is it unacceptable for the Iranian leader to be elected with discrepancies in the count, yet it's OK for the President of the USA?

And why do they always show pictures of tough looking areas, when Iran has many beautiful parts. It's like coming to Muirhouse and basing your whole view of Scotland on what you see.

It depends on how it's projected. The media want us only to see ugly places of Iran so we only see them. The media wants to portray Iran as horrible so it makes thier elected (dubious:greengrin) representatives look stupid.
The media don't want to say that the US may have cheated so they don't.The media want us to be shocked about a police mistake so they make it look like that. They don't want to tell us about a similar instance in Iran so we don't know about it.

It boils down to the fact that no matter how independant we see ourselves as we only know from information we're spoonfed by the manipulative press.True independance will only come when the middleman is bypasssed. That will be the true internet revolution.

[GC]

It depends on how it's projected. The media want us only to see ugly places of Iran so we only see them. The media wants to portray Iran as horrible so it makes thier elected (dubious:greengrin) representatives look stupid.
The media don't want to say that the US may have cheated so they don't.The media want us to be shocked about a police mistake so they make it look like that. They don't want to tell us about a similar instance in Iran so we don't know about it.

It boils down to the fact that no matter how independant we see ourselves as we only know from information we're spoonfed by the manipulative press.True independance will only come when the middleman is bypasssed. That will be the true internet revolution.

I've said this before and if I remember corectly it was said to me that you are in fact 12 but come on.

School holidays, go get the bike out, play football with your mates, cause a bit of trouble:greengrin

Way too grown up for your age son.

[vincipernoi]

can I confirm that da-robster is indeed 12, due to be 13 in october and is not a 45 year old german cannibal

he does indeed go out, plays football for a boys club and has had a season ticket for the west for six years

he also enjoys arguing his corner and has a taste for broadsheet papers, QI and literature which explains his turn of phrase

source?

da-robster's dad