Michael Jackson II

[Woody1985]

I feel genuinely sad now that he's gone. He was always just there as the top performer in the world to a lot of people. I think it's only now that he's gone people can look back and realise how special he was...it's as if we've somehow taken him for granted.

I don't believe for a minute he had any sexual interest in children or that he done anything wrong in that respect. If you believe he was even after that public address he gave after his last court case then you must also think he was one of the finest actors ever to have lived.

Also, how much money would you accept to keep quiet if your child had genuinely been abused by someone? I would tell them to shove their money and I would see them in court...especially if, like some people say, the evidence was overwhelming.

I just hope all the people who took advantage of him and screwed him have nightmares. I doubt they will.


I must admit I sort of had an overwhelmed feeling when I saw it on the news, sort of like when I saw the news the morning Princess Di had died. I'm not one for all this celebrity malarky but it was certainly a strange feeling.

Reading the papers today how his music is selling thousands / millions and is taking all the chart places shows how much people thought of him.

I genuinely don't think he had an interest in children either and was in a mind frame where he wanted to be a kid again and be with people of a young age group. It is strange to everyone else but IMO he didn't know how adults (and children) interact with kids.

Although I don't know about the whole legal case and how much money someone would settle for. MJ would have won the case regardless due to a hugely expensive legal team which means that the trial would never appear fair. The family perhaps realised they would never win and settled out of court. However, my main thought is that MJ paid them off due to the way he was feeling and didn't want to cause hurt to people due to his childlike nature.

I think that the Dr who was at his house on the night he died is currently ****ting himself and if he's been pumping him up with huge doses of drugs (no doubt in return for huge amounts of cash) should be questioned and charged in relation to his death. A transcript of the 911 call was in the paper today, assuming it is accurate, the only person with him when he took a heart attack was the Dr which clearly implicates him administering drugs.

**** me, I've never bought a MJ song in my life but it's weird how much of an interest I have. MJ is a megastar that we'll never see again in our lifetime. :confused:

FWIW if people aren't getting on during conversations on a thread can we block them from posting on it/take personal disputes elsewhere rather than closing it.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I must admit I sort of had an overwhelmed feeling when I saw it on the news, sort of like when I saw the news the morning Princess Di had died. I'm not one for all this celebrity malarky but it was certainly a strange feeling.

Reading the papers today how his music is selling thousands / millions and is taking all the chart places shows how much people thought of him.

I genuinely don't think he had an interest in children either and was in a mind frame where he wanted to be a kid again and be with people of a young age group. It is strange to everyone else but IMO he didn't know how adults (and children) interact with kids.

Although I don't know about the whole legal case and how much money someone would settle for. MJ would have won the case regardless due to a hugely expensive legal team which means that the trial would never appear fair. The family perhaps realised they would never win and settled out of court. However, my main thought is that MJ paid them off due to the way he was feeling and didn't want to cause hurt to people due to his childlike nature.

I think that the Dr who was at his house on the night he died is currently ****ting himself and if he's been pumping him up with huge doses of drugs (no doubt in return for huge amounts of cash) should be questioned and charged in relation to his death. A transcript of the 911 call was in the paper today, assuming it is accurate, the only person with him when he took a heart attack was the Dr which clearly implicates him administering drugs.

**** me, I've never bought a MJ song in my life but it's weird how much of an interest I have. MJ is a megastar that we'll never see again in our lifetime. :confused:

FWIW if people aren't getting on during conversations on a thread can we block them from posting on it/take personal disputes elsewhere rather than closing it.

Interesting about the doctor there. I notice that the O2 are stalling on refunding ticket money. I think there might be a chance that any life insurance taken out to cover potential losses might be void. This is all speculation, but I'm guessing that MJ was getting meds he shouldn't have been, and maybe forgot to tell the insurers - I'd find it remarkable that they would give cover if they knew this.

[Woody1985]

Interesting about the doctor there. I notice that the O2 are stalling on refunding ticket money. I think there might be a chance that any life insurance taken out to cover potential losses might be void. This is all speculation, but I'm guessing that MJ was getting meds he shouldn't have been, and maybe forgot to tell the insurers - I'd find it remarkable that they would give cover if they knew this.

I read that they only had insurance for the first 10 dates anyway because it was too high risk that he wouldn't perform them all.

I think the insurance from the gigs might be separate to his life insurance unless the gig insurance had a specific clause in case of his death by suicide / misadventure (or whatever they call it).

I don't see how they can afford to refund all the tickets TBH. Far too much will have been speat already. I think that people should get a partical refund and not a full refund. Everyone is a loser here.

[Phil D. Rolls]

I read that they only had insurance for the first 10 dates anyway because it was too high risk that he wouldn't perform them all.

I think the insurance from the gigs might be separate to his life insurance unless the gig insurance had a specific clause in case of his death by suicide / misadventure (or whatever they call it).

I don't see how they can afford to refund all the tickets TBH. Far too much will have been speat already. I think that people should get a partical refund and not a full refund. Everyone is a loser here.

I know it's normal in movies for the star to have life cover. The promoters have shelled out a lot up front here, and you'd think if they don't have insurance, they might prefer to "hang onto" the ticket money.

[MyJo]

I genuinely don't think he had an interest in children either and was in a mind frame where he wanted to be a kid again and be with people of a young age group. It is strange to everyone else but IMO he didn't know how adults (and children) interact with kids.

:agree: toally agree with this......i posted this on the private members forum yesterday but i'll give it an airing here as well :greengrin


To my mind MJ was not a peadophile, i think he was a very disturbed and manipulated individual who's strict unbringing and complete lack of normal childhood developed an obsession with children and he used his fame and wealth to help disadvantaged kids and done lots of selfless things for childrens charities etc but it also manifested itself in a desire to spend time with and be associated with children in some sort of attempt to understand what being a normal child was and live out his lost childhood with his "friends". I honestly believe that he did not see anything wrong whatsoever with having these kids staying with him overnight and sharing beds because he didn't comprehend boundaries and acceptable behaviours associated with children that normal people would and this was taken advantage of by greedy, manipulative people who attempted to make some money from exaggerated and sensationalist claims when jackson refused to be extorted in private.

Whatever went on he was a musical icon who deserves to be recognised for all the good he done in this world.

[Woody1985]

:agree: toally agree with this......i posted this on the private members forum yesterday but i'll give it an airing here as well :greengrin

That's always been my thoughts.

I want to watch the documentry where they followed him around for a month or so (I think that's what it was).

You could tell watching the interview with Martin Bashir (sp?) that he didn't think there was anything wrong and there wasn't anything sexual when talking of sharing a bed / room with kids. He was manipulated in that interview and it was out of order IIRC.

Does anyone have a link to it or is you tube the place to go?

[Onceinawhile]

:agree: toally agree with this......i posted this on the private members forum yesterday but i'll give it an airing here as well :greengrin

Whilst that post does make a lot of sense, you cannot argue that Jackson did a lot of stupid things in his life regarding young children - whether it was innocent or not (I'm still yet to decide) his decision making was worse than shocking.

Having said that, his music for the most part was outstanding. Although not seen as one of his greatest efforts earthsong was the first song I ever almost fully memorised:top marks

Also, in this day and age, I can see NO musician ever emulating his achievements or even getting close.

[TheMentalHibees]

Feeling disbelief more than anything. 50 years old is too young to die. FWIW I feel sorry for him. He wasn't a bad person, he wasn't a child molester, merely a misunderstood individual. Surrounded by people who were more interested in his money than his health. He became and easy target for the media, the media that are now mourning his death. However much his reputation was tarnished by the whole paedophile thing, I'll remember him for what he gave to the music world. RIP Jacko.

[Sir David Gray]

This is my first opportunity to comment on the death of Michael Jackson.

I, like most people, was absolutely shocked when I heard the news on Thursday night that he had passed away.

He had an incredibly successful life but I don't believe that he had a happy one, despite the extreme fame and fortune that he once possessed. In fact I heard Uri Geller saying that Jackson himself had told him that he was a very lonely man.

I admit to laughing at a few of the jokes that have been told about him over the years, but when all is said and done, I actually felt really sorry for him.

You can say whatever you like about his personality and the things that went on in his personal life but the man was a legend in music terms and was incomparable with any other current musician. No-one will ever come close to even matching the amount of copies that were sold of the "Thriller" album.

Michael Jackson inspired many millions of people to dance and sing but one thing is for certain, there will never be another Michael Jackson.

[Gatecrasher]

i liked the Jackson 5 stuff but i like a lot of motown tunes anyway i wasnt so keen on his 80 and 90's music

RIP Jacko

[Hibbyradge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vFVlvi-P9w

[McHibby]

No one can say for certain whether he was a paedophile or not. His behaviour (paying money to an accuser) and a bizarre reationship with children certainly didn't help his cause. Everyone has an opinion, but apart from those involved no one can possibly know. So I dunno how anyone on here can categorically state that they "know" if he did it or not.

But he was consistent in his wish to try and do something to help people in the world. I really think that his family should set up a charity in his name (MJ Foundation or whatever) - they would raise MILLIONS and that money could do so much. I think that would be a great legacy. All the impromptu shrines and tributes show that people want to do something.

[Woody1985]

Does anyone else think it's bizarre that this guy doesn't look like being charged?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8122849.stm

Also, do you think that the earlier ruling that there was no foul play in his death is so that they can make insurance claims?

[Brando7]

Does anyone else think it's bizarre that this guy doesn't look like being charged?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8122849.stm

Also, do you think that the earlier ruling that there was no foul play in his death is so that they can make insurance claims?

Recon the doctor has played some part in jacko's death, he obviously has prescribed jacko all these drugs, i'm sure this maybe not lead him to criminal conviction but should be struck off imo

[NYHibby]

You could tell watching the interview with Martin Bashir (sp?) that he didn't think there was anything wrong and there wasn't anything sexual when talking of sharing a bed / room with kids. He was manipulated in that interview and it was out of order IIRC.

Of course he didn't think there was anything wrong with it. The guy wasn't ******ed. If he thought it was wrong, he won't be admitting to it on TV. That was his problem. He lost any sense of what an acceptable adult/child relationship. Even if you don't think he was a pedophile, you have to admit that his known relationships with children was unhealthy for all parties.


A transcript of the 911 call was in the paper today, assuming it is accurate, the only person with him when he took a heart attack was the Dr which clearly implicates him administering drugs.

Not sure what transcript you're reading, but they've been playing the call on TV since Thursday. Its clear from the tape alone that there were several people with him. The guy making the call wasn't the doctor. Jackson could have taken many of the drugs he's rumored to be using by himself. Just because he was there in no way implicates the doctor.

[Woody1985]

Of course he didn't think there was anything wrong with it. The guy wasn't ******ed. If he thought it was wrong, he won't be admitting to it on TV. That was his problem. He lost any sense of what an acceptable adult/child relationship. Even if you don't think he was a pedophile, you have to admit that his known relationships with children was unhealthy for all parties.

But he didn' have a sense of that relationship to begin with due to his upbringing IMO.

The relationships probably were unhealty for all involved. However, parents of the children should never have allowed it.



Not sure what transcript you're reading, but they've been playing the call on TV since Thursday. Its clear from the tape alone that there were several people with him. The guy making the call wasn't the doctor. Jackson could have taken many of the drugs he's rumored to be using by himself. Just because he was there in no way implicates the doctor.

I've not heard it but the transcript I read said that when the person on the phone was asked who was with MJ when it started it was quoted as 'the doctor was the only other person in the room when it started'. Whether that meant other than the person on the phone or MJ (I took it as MJ).

There is no question IMO that the doctor is implicated whether it be from administering or providing large quantaties of drugs just because of who the client was.

It would appear that MJ was on the bed when the call was made would indicate to me that he was getting out his tits whilst lying there and being administered drugs by someone. Also, if he was given 6,7,8 different drugs it would probably be difficult to do after you've took the first couple by yourself.

[steviehfc]

Does anyone else think it's bizarre that this guy doesn't look like being charged?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8122849.stm

Also, do you think that the earlier ruling that there was no foul play in his death is so that they can make insurance claims?How can you possibly come to this conclusion without knowing any of the facts, all that has been printed in the press is unsubstantiated rubbish to fill column inches. It will take weeks for the toxicology reports to come back, and even then it will be very hard to prove who administered any drugs that are found in his system (if any..it's all just speculation at the moment).

[NYHibby]

I've not read anything that suggests he was on 8 different drugs the day he died. I've also not read that the doctor was administering any drugs to him. Your tabloids are probably printing more than our media here.

My understanding is that the doctor was part of his entourage hired to watch his general health to make sure he would be able to perform in London. He was placed on the bed after the heart failure so that CPR could be administered.

[richard_pitts]

As I understand it, the National Enquirer has been saying Jacko was hooked on prescription drugs for some time. I should also add that the Observer is also running the same story, and he admitted to having such an addiction in the 1990s for a while, so it doesn't strike me as implausible and I imagine his Doctor will be looking at criminal charges.

Jackson is undoubtedly a music legend, right up there with the likes of Elvis - hits in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s testify to that.

Jackson the man on the other hand is someone I feel sorry for (how on earth could he have not turned out messed up given his upbringing?) or someone I find sinister (who calls their kid Blanket FFS? :confused:). I am sure everything will come out in the tabloids over the next few months :bitchy:

[Woody1985]

Fair enough, the stuff re drugs in currently unsubstantuated but I think there is a high probability of it, although as you say no one expect the people who were there will know. If it comes out that it wasn't caused by drugs then it will be another story from his life that we'll never know the truth. There is probably too much at stake for life / concert insurance for it to be revealed that it was due to taking drugs / drugs being administered willfully.

I guess in a similar way to Heath Ledger where IIRC his life insurance had an out of court settlement on their payout as they wanted additional tests carried out to determine exactly what happened and if it was suicide or not. IMO an agreement was met that meant HL's reputation and one of the greatest acting performaces I've ever seen wasn't tarnished.

[Brando7]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/2505693/The-shock-findings-of-the-Michael-Jackson-autopsy.html

autopsy details allegedly

no food just pills in his stomach, bald, bruised, his ribs broken by CPR, 4 needle wounds near his heart

[J-C]

The doctor at his house has denied administering any drugs prior to his death, he says he walked into the room and founf Jacko lying there having a heart attack and immediately started giving him cpr.

His family are now asking for a second autopsy by all accounts.

His record will sell by the millions again, seemingly 24 out of the top 40 this week in the singles chart.

[Steve-O]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2505742/Michael-Jacksons-grieving-chimp-Bubbles-set-to-be-film-star.html - poor Bubbles :boo hoo:

[Sergio sledge]

I've not read anything that suggests he was on 8 different drugs the day he died. I've also not read that the doctor was administering any drugs to him. Your tabloids are probably printing more than our media here.

My understanding is that the doctor was part of his entourage hired to watch his general health to make sure he would be able to perform in London. He was placed on the bed after the heart failure so that CPR could be administered.

:confused: I'm not a doctor, but I thought you had to have someone on a hard surface for CPR, the last thing you'd want to do is put them on a bed.

[J-C]

:confused: I'm not a doctor, but I thought you had to have someone on a hard surface for CPR, the last thing you'd want to do is put them on a bed.


True, generally you just put them into position there and then as time is of the essence, he was maybe placed back on the bed first before the doctor realised what was actually happening.

[Dashing Bob S]

If Jackson was a truck driver from Arkansas who behaved the way he did towards children, he would still be sweating in some redneck prison. I loved his music, particularly the Thriller/Off The Wall era, but I can't mourn the passing of this highly disturbed individual.

[J-C]

If Jackson was a truck driver from Arkansas who behaved the way he did towards children, he would still be sweating in some redneck prison. I loved his music, particularly the Thriller/Off The Wall era, but I can't mourn the passing of this highly disturbed individual.


I think he had deep psychological problems which stemmed from his father constantly calling him ugly and a big nosed **** and he was probably unaware he was doing wrong in his mind. I wouldn't call him disturbed as there seemd no sexual intent to what he was doing, more the wrongness of his actions in this day and age. He was stuck in a mental chid state and couldn't see his errors, he related more to children than adults and his lifestyle showed that, if he wasn't who he was, he'd have been given psychiatric help at an early age.

[Dashing Bob S]

Somebody asked the question on the other thread: if you had those vile accusations leveled against you, surely you would relish having your day in court, and clearing your name, before being paying out millions of pounds to the people who made those accusations.

This poster is still waiting for the answer from just one of the multitudes who seem determined to sanctify this odious man.

Many paedophiles have themselves been abused as children. Whether they are arrogant about their behaviour or walk around in a drug-fueled stupor bleeding about children and being childlike, they are still ruthless predators and should be treated as such.

Yes, this is harsh on Jackson. It's also harsh on the kids whose lives have been wrecked by him, and the same type of sleazy cash-and-showbiz mad parents both Jackson and they have been cursed with.

[J-C]

Somebody asked the question on the other thread: if you had those vile accusations leveled against you, surely you would relish having your day in court, and clearing your name, before being paying out millions of pounds to the people who made those accusations.

This poster is still waiting for the answer from just one of the multitudes who seem determined to sanctify this odious man.

Many paedophiles have themselves been abused as children. Whether they are arrogant about their behaviour or walk around in a drug-fueled stupor bleeding about children and being childlike, they are still ruthless predators and should be treated as such.

Yes, this is harsh on Jackson. It's also harsh on the kids whose lives have been wrecked by him, and the same type of sleazy cash-and-showbiz mad parents both Jackson and they have been cursed with.


Jackson was ill advised about paying out money but then again if your son had been abused ( allegedly ) would you take the money or get the guy sent to jail, me I'd want him in jail, so you have to wonder about the accusers reasons for going to court in the first place.

The second accusation the police found nothing and the case fell apart and MJ was acquited.

So far I've never heard of any kid that has been scarred for life by Jackson, if you could find some printed proof of this and post it up then I'm sure we'd all be happy to read it. If not you're showing your own prejudices by berating a man now that he is dead, if you felt so strongly about Jackson, why not bring this up prior to his demise.

Tell me this if Jackson was a Paedophile, don't you think he was pretty crap at it, as he was open about his relationships with kids. Most paedo's hide behind bushes or on the internet trying like mad to hide their identity, Jackson was the opposite.

[Dashing Bob S]

Jackson was ill advised about paying out money but then again if your son had been abused ( allegedly ) would you take the money or get the guy sent to jail, me I'd want him in jail, so you have to wonder about the accusers reasons for going to court in the first place.

Yes. The parents involved were gold-digging maggots, far worse than Jackson.

The second accusation the police found nothing and the case fell apart and MJ was acquited.

So far I've never heard of any kid that has been scarred for life by Jackson, if you could find some printed proof of this and post it up then I'm sure we'd all be happy to read it. If not you're showing your own prejudices by berating a man now that he is dead, if you felt so strongly about Jackson, why not bring this up prior to his demise.

So you think it's done them a power of good being in contact with a 50 year old man in this way? I think all children who are abused in that way are scarred in some way. Of course I have no direct evidence for this, nobody does, as the children's identities were kept anoymous. I've long made my own views on Jackson's behaviour known within my own circle of friends and family, it hasn't really been appropriate till now.

Tell me this if Jackson was a Paedophile, don't you think he was pretty crap at it, as he was open about his relationships with kids. Most paedo's hide behind bushes or on the internet trying like mad to hide their identity, Jackson was the opposite.

Yes, I agree completely. Jackson was bad at being at grown-up man, so it's no surprise that he should be a pitiful paedophille. But he had wealth and adoration, and the sense of arrogance, delusion and entitlement that brings. I think that, more than anything, goes a long to explaining this undoubtedly very sad and confused creatures behaviour. BUT he was a grown man, and his fame and wealth bought him a license greater than any other monster oof this type would have enjoyed. If my own children had told me that they were sleeping in the adult neighbours bed with him, I wouldn't care if the man in question was 'childlike' or 'had been abused' or had 'psychological problems'. I would horrified and disgusted, and I think most parents would, except those shallow gold-diggers who used Jackson's weakness and their own children, to line their pockets. Those are the people I despise more than Jackson.

[J-C]

Originally Posted by JC50 http://www.hibs.net/message/images_greenish/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?p=2083970#post2083970)
Jackson was ill advised about paying out money but then again if your son had been abused ( allegedly ) would you take the money or get the guy sent to jail, me I'd want him in jail, so you have to wonder about the accusers reasons for going to court in the first place.

Yes. The parents involved were gold-digging maggots, far worse than Jackson.

The second accusation the police found nothing and the case fell apart and MJ was acquited.

So far I've never heard of any kid that has been scarred for life by Jackson, if you could find some printed proof of this and post it up then I'm sure we'd all be happy to read it. If not you're showing your own prejudices by berating a man now that he is dead, if you felt so strongly about Jackson, why not bring this up prior to his demise.

So you think it's done them a power of good being in contact with a 50 year old man in this way? I think all children who are abused in that way are scarred in some way. Of course I have no direct evidence for this, nobody does, as the children's identities were kept anoymous. I've long made my own views on Jackson's behaviour known within my own circle of friends and family, it hasn't really been appropriate till now.

Tell me this if Jackson was a Paedophile, don't you think he was pretty crap at it, as he was open about his relationships with kids. Most paedo's hide behind bushes or on the internet trying like mad to hide their identity, Jackson was the opposite.
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Why did you add this paragraph to my original post and not highlight it.
It look like I agree with what you say, please in future if you're adding anything, to say so, or highlight it so as other posters know who's saying what.:grr::confused:

[Dashing Bob S]

Originally Posted by JC50 http://www.hibs.net/message/images_greenish/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?p=2083970#post2083970)
Jackson was ill advised about paying out money but then again if your son had been abused ( allegedly ) would you take the money or get the guy sent to jail, me I'd want him in jail, so you have to wonder about the accusers reasons for going to court in the first place.

Yes. The parents involved were gold-digging maggots, far worse than Jackson.

The second accusation the police found nothing and the case fell apart and MJ was acquited.

So far I've never heard of any kid that has been scarred for life by Jackson, if you could find some printed proof of this and post it up then I'm sure we'd all be happy to read it. If not you're showing your own prejudices by berating a man now that he is dead, if you felt so strongly about Jackson, why not bring this up prior to his demise.

So you think it's done them a power of good being in contact with a 50 year old man in this way? I think all children who are abused in that way are scarred in some way. Of course I have no direct evidence for this, nobody does, as the children's identities were kept anoymous. I've long made my own views on Jackson's behaviour known within my own circle of friends and family, it hasn't really been appropriate till now.

Tell me this if Jackson was a Paedophile, don't you think he was pretty crap at it, as he was open about his relationships with kids. Most paedo's hide behind bushes or on the internet trying like mad to hide their identity, Jackson was the opposite.
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Why did you add this paragraph to my original post and not highlight it.
It look like I agree with what you say, please in future if you're adding anything, to say so, or highlight it so as other posters know who's saying what.:grr::confused:

Yes, my apologies for that. I tried to reply to each of your points but made a complete hash of the post - sorry for lack of technical ability in this area.

My response to your last comment is at the bottom of the post above. My responses to the others are as follows:


Jackson was ill advised about paying out money but then again if your son had been abused ( allegedly ) would you take the money or get the guy sent to jail, me I'd want him in jail, so you have to wonder about the accusers reasons for going to court in the first place.

Yes. The parents involved were gold-digging maggots, far worse than Jackson.

The second accusation the police found nothing and the case fell apart and MJ was acquited.

So far I've never heard of any kid that has been scarred for life by Jackson, if you could find some printed proof of this and post it up then I'm sure we'd all be happy to read it. If not you're showing your own prejudices by berating a man now that he is dead, if you felt so strongly about Jackson, why not bring this up prior to his demise.

So you think it's done them a power of good being in contact with a 50 year old man in this way? I think all children who are abused in that way are scarred in some way. Of course I have no direct evidence for this, nobody does, as the children's identities were kept anoymous. I've long made my own views on Jackson's behaviour known within my own circle of friends and family, it hasn't really been appropriate till now.

Hope this helps.

[J-C]

Yes, my apologies for that. I tried to reply to each of your points but made a complete hash of the post - sorry for lack of technical ability in this area.

My response to your last comment is at the bottom of the post above. My responses to the others are as follows:


Jackson was ill advised about paying out money but then again if your son had been abused ( allegedly ) would you take the money or get the guy sent to jail, me I'd want him in jail, so you have to wonder about the accusers reasons for going to court in the first place.

Yes. The parents involved were gold-digging maggots, far worse than Jackson.

The second accusation the police found nothing and the case fell apart and MJ was acquited.

So far I've never heard of any kid that has been scarred for life by Jackson, if you could find some printed proof of this and post it up then I'm sure we'd all be happy to read it. If not you're showing your own prejudices by berating a man now that he is dead, if you felt so strongly about Jackson, why not bring this up prior to his demise.

So you think it's done them a power of good being in contact with a 50 year old man in this way? I think all children who are abused in that way are scarred in some way. Of course I have no direct evidence for this, nobody does, as the children's identities were kept anoymous. I've long made my own views on Jackson's behaviour known within my own circle of friends and family, it hasn't really been appropriate till now.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for clearing that up Bob, was a bit surprised at your post, as it's not like you but you've now explained. :greengrin

Don't get me wrong, I still think what he did was wrong, whether or not any kids were abused or not, it's just not the done thing in this society.

[Tomsk]

Jackson was ill advised about paying out money but then again if your son had been abused ( allegedly ) would you take the money or get the guy sent to jail, me I'd want him in jail, so you have to wonder about the accusers reasons for going to court in the first place.

The second accusation the police found nothing and the case fell apart and MJ was acquited.

So far I've never heard of any kid that has been scarred for life by Jackson, if you could find some printed proof of this and post it up then I'm sure we'd all be happy to read it. If not you're showing your own prejudices by berating a man now that he is dead, if you felt so strongly about Jackson, why not bring this up prior to his demise.

Tell me this if Jackson was a Paedophile, don't you think he was pretty crap at it, as he was open about his relationships with kids. Most paedo's hide behind bushes or on the internet trying like mad to hide their identity, Jackson was the opposite.

The police found rather a lot and the case did not fall apart. The police found a sufficient number of witnesses to bring a case to court under jury. The witnesses testifed in court under oath that they had personally saw Jackson molesting children, performing indecent acts on them and giving them alcohol. These witnesses included the children and various former employees of Jackson. The proceedings lasted several months at the end of which Jackson was acquited.

[J-C]

The police found rather a lot and the case did not fall apart. The police found a sufficient number of witnesses to bring a case to court under jury. The witnesses testifed in court under oath that they had personally saw Jackson molesting children, performing indecent acts on them and giving them alcohol. These witnesses included the children and various former employees of Jackson. The proceedings lasted several months at the end of which Jackson was acquited.


All heresay and dubious witnesses who were looking to line there own pockets I guess, so with all those witnesses and evidence against him the jury still found him innocent.:wink:

[Tomsk]

All heresay and dubious witnesses who were looking to line there own pockets I guess, so with all those witnesses and evidence against him the jury still found him innocent.:wink:

I will desist from any speculation. But suffice to say I would rather have had Michael Jackson's lawyers on my side than the prosecution's. :wink:

He certainly kept his legal team busy over the years.

[Steve-O]

All heresay and dubious witnesses who were looking to line there own pockets I guess, so with all those witnesses and evidence against him the jury still found him innocent.:wink:

Prosecution witnesses' credibility

There is question not only of the credibility of the main accuser, the mother, but also of the many witnesses called to testify in the trial. Prosecution witness Chris Carter, who had been Jackson's bodyguard from August 2002 – August 2003, was arrested in Las Vegas on February 19, 2005 after police searched his mother's house and found a handgun, and had been accused of robbing a Radio Shack in October 2003, Subway sandwich shop in August 2004, a KB Toy Store in January 2005, and a Jack in the Box restaurant in February 2005.

Another witness, a former maid in Neverland, was convicted for stealing a sketch of Elvis Presley made by Jackson. A housekeeper whose son claims he was molested once sold stories about Jackson to Hard Copy, and a chef was found to be the host of a porn site called Virtual Sin.[27]

[Tomsk]

Prosecution witnesses' credibility

There is question not only of the credibility of the main accuser, the mother, but also of the many witnesses called to testify in the trial. Prosecution witness Chris Carter, who had been Jackson's bodyguard from August 2002 – August 2003, was arrested in Las Vegas on February 19, 2005 after police searched his mother's house and found a handgun, and had been accused of robbing a Radio Shack in October 2003, Subway sandwich shop in August 2004, a KB Toy Store in January 2005, and a Jack in the Box restaurant in February 2005.

Another witness, a former maid in Neverland, was convicted for stealing a sketch of Elvis Presley made by Jackson. A housekeeper whose son claims he was molested once sold stories about Jackson to Hard Copy, and a chef was found to be the host of a porn site called Virtual Sin.[27]


It all comes down to cash in the end. Jackson paid out about $20m to keep the Chandler boy quiet and out of the courts the first time he was accused of molesting children. And that is a lot of money. But pennies compared to what he had to pay his lawyers to descredit the (actually self-discrediting) witnesses that the prosecution pulled out of the dole queues and prison lock-outs the second time around.

The question is: did Jackson get best value for money first time up when he settled out of court or second time around when he actually ended up in court? I think he lost both times. The out of court settlement left a bad smell around Neverland that no amount of window opening and Shake and Vac could clear away and still cost him $20m. Second time out, Jackson paid $n million dollars to his lawyers but wasted every penny as the prosecution made such a total balls-up of the case that he needn't have paid a dime. Bubbles would have got him off. And, still the place was stinking and not just from chimpanzee crap.

MJ must have been beelin'.